Razer Blade 14 5900HX

Then I apologize.

 

Anything that isn’t proofed on techpowerup website isn’t right telling the specification, it’s same with MSI gs66 95 watt vBios and Acer nitro 100 watt vbios, especially on gs66 one that bump score around 1K, it’s probably like 130 watt tgp setting, on 3070 case, the frequency clock tell everything.

I think that one won’t fit blade 14 power in jack, it’s for blade pro 17 1080 4K 2016 and 2017 model way back then before this proprietary plug made for blade 15 advanced 2018.

 

I can see how my comment could've come off as bad form. I've broken many a motherboard over the years (pins, pci-e slot latch breaking off) and chalk it up to the cost of the hobby rather than return them. If I break this Blade, which I doubt I will, it'll be the same way.

Yes, I was looking at the specs in detail and it's also 19v output vs 19.5v on the current 230w power brick, so likely a no-go.

The vbios I've been using is probably up to 130-135w I think. It lines up with other Timespy scores with that wattage. The 3060 version seemed to handle a 115-130w vbios just fine. Do you think it's safe to pull 200w with this 230w adapter? I'm going to try playing with 105w vbios instead, probably much safer. I found 3 of them that work with the 3080 and power readings are accurate in software too which is good.

 

Sure as long it’s not over Watt the power adapter you’re good, even it’s over Watt it’ll only discharging the battery inside on long session gaming or other intensive usage nothing to worry about, at worse it’ll shortage battery longevity similar with early blade stealth 2019, they use 65 watt ac adapter with 25watt mx150 and 15 watt 8565U but on gaming it boosts the cpu to around 25 watt making less headroom and discharge the battery even plugged on the wall, but so far it don’t see battery bulging issue on this model, it’s already over 2 years only blade 15 mostly reported on this, most probably due using higher tdp parts resulting higher heat, stealth that using low wattage cpu gpu isn’t effected mostly.

 

I know you guys are still having fun with bios swapping. Though, I'm curious if anyone is worried about going over the 100w that GPU came with from the factory? In theory they only designed it to run at that wattage. Not sure if one exists, but if there was a bios that had 100W as the non dynamic boost and you were to turn that feature off you would be at 100W all the time and not be at the mercy of dynamic boost. That would be ideal I think for a performance bump and longevity.

So anyone have any luck finding a bios that has both the usb-c ports work for video output and charging?

 

For 3070 I know that vbios, Razer one I think it’s so far most vbios that stable hitting 100 Watt on my test, after 1.06 I found better gpu performance, but instead cpu became weaker now, it even matches now Clevo 105 watt tgp on SoTR benchmark i got now exactly 98fps highest 1080p like Clevo one before was maxed at 94 with max manual OC I got 98 non manual OC (default synapse 100/400). So maybe stick with that for now, more performance I can only get with gs66 “130“ watt, but on gaming it’s like jet engine means it runs hotter and asking a trouble in long term usage. I’ll update when I found something nice there’re tons 3070 laptops out soon and one that not uploaded yet like blade 15 105 watt, x15 105 watt (I assume), blade pro early 2021 100 watt, mid 2021 130 watt (I assume it’s 115/110 watt with dynamic boost up to 130 considering same 230 ac adapter being used).
Tldr: enjoy it for now, want fancy 3DMark score flash the 130 watt MSI one, gaming back to default Razer one (changing vbios now to me faster than that daily synapse update, you don’t need to write protect off etc, straight to -6 xxx.rom after changing directory, yes and yes then restart the blade) you’re good.
BTW both Clevo and MSI vbios doesn’t have issue with usb C unlike first one I shared, Acer nitro one, there’re also tons vbios that matches and also doesn’t have issues but they performs slower like base 15 3070, hp omen 15…forgot other one, I think I tried around 20 vbioses lmaooo

 

Sounds like stock is gonna be best for me for now. I just want stable. I don't need to be chasing the high score on benchmarks. It's fun sure, but I want to be using this for fun and games.

 

Odd issues now. The NV control panel wouldn't load and says can't detect display adapter, even though the 3080 is detected in Windows device manager and Afterburner. Took a couple of DDU and reinstalls, stock vbios, and re-flashed Acer vbios, now it works fine. I was flashing other vbios which is probably what started it.

Had odd network issues too, seems to be all resolved, very strange.

*Edit- There is / was an Akamai outage, lol. That explains it.

https://9to5mac.com/2021/07/22/dns-outage-akamai-steam-chase-and-more/

 

Well I’m an idiot, lol.

So tonight I repasted my 2nd machine with some Thermal Grizzly. I’ve had… odd results with TG over time. Usually seems to bench the best, but often goes bad more quickly than others - usually needs a repaste every 12 months or so. I used some I bought just a few months ago, so new batch.

Ran Firestrike again, and max CPU temp is EXACTLY the same. Total score actually drops, but just a tiny bit from 20,788 to 20,738 - so margin of error. GPU temp drops 4 degrees Celsius to 82c, so that’s great.

EXCEPT… this whole time I realize I’ve been looking at the AMD GPU (integrated). D’oh. I need to be looking at the Nvidia GPU in slot 2… which luckily looks like it maxed out (according to HWINFO) at 68.9c! That’s AWESOME! Except…. ….. I wasn’t looking at this before to compare, lol.

So, obviously FireStrike is leveraging the Nvidia 3070 for that kind of performance. And obviously the integrated GPU temps are a result of the CPU being warm from the benchmarks. I guess this is the issue without having Advanced Optimus.

Need to try this on an external display, I guess.

 

I think unless you’re running every hours cinebench or last screen from 3DMark or running 130 watt MSI bios default thermal paste if the worker who doing the job isn’t drunk and the vapor chamber cooling is enough to cooling the parts, my unit without repasting on RDR2, RE village, Valhalla mostly running cpu temperature between 60 and 70ish areas with rarely spike to 80ish and 90ish on synapse balance mode.
Yes on external display due the cpu less work (bypassing optimus directly from nvidia to external monitor make amd gpu less working sending info to internal monitor, I think it even doesn’t do that), and as result also lower cpu temperature.

 

Thermal Grizzly sucks on laptops as it tends to break down under sustained high temperatures, particularly over 80C. Gelid GC Extreme, Phobya Nanogrease, or even Arctic MX-4, while maybe not as effective as TG or liquid metal in absolute terms, requires less maintenance, at least in my experience. A Lenovo laptop I repasted using Gelid a couple years ago is still going strong to this day. Temps have maybe gone up a degree or two in the interim but nothing to the point where it would need to be reapplied.

 

That’s not what we call worm, that’s bloody ho‘ and unnecessary tgp for gaming.

Idk what kind games is that valorant, looks like not resident evil to me but better limiting cpu to like 3000ish MHz. Occasionally I’ve Oddysey that he tested. Got similar FPS (on Razer vbios of course no cheating ) on balance mode with only simple afterburner setting similar to boost mode, but waaaaay better temperature.
Boost mode with unnecessary 4,1ghz frequency (it’s cinebench range frequency not for gaming imo)

result

balance mode 100/400 manual oc (same with synapse boost OC values but cpu frequency @3600mhz)

result similar with review but with better thermal (my preferred not asking for battery bloat trouble mode)

Review video from mashIT

for 100 watt Acer nitro bios which I like a lot btw it’s score a bit better 53fps (ultra 1440p)
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Just also got hyper juice 100 watt gan charger, not sure if this Reddit post was right but it doesn’t work on this charger, crappy performance, it’ll get back to Amazon and waiting forever for Razer one to test.
https://www.reddit.com/r/razer/comm...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

 

How do you cap the CPU at 3.6? I disabled boost via registry edit that gives more options in the power settings, but I'm capped at 3.2ghz.

 

Wasn’t really capping the frequency i use traditional limitation synapse balance mode (but keep OC like default high gpu 100/400), sometimes it’s goes up to 4,1 and down to 3,4 but etc I think it’s mostly 3,6ish depends on temperatures and wattage, meanwhile on boost mode it’s more often on 3,9ghz or higher frequency but the temperature is asking trouble temp to me. I didn’t try registry edit yet temperature isn’t on danger areas, on Doom eternal like one or two hours was also on balance mode fine 80ish cpu temperatures, yes it’s sometimes hitting 4,1ghz but when temperatures down I think.

 

Thanks Joikansai for linking our video

Loving this blade 14 and I really wasn't expecting to as I usually buy 17" laptops

 

Found a 105w TGP RTX 3080 vbios that works with the Blade 14. Right side USB-C port works with external monitor, left does not. Power readings etc. are reported correctly in monitoring software. Resizable bar and all other features work. Gives a little more boost compared to the stock Razer vbios that really won't let you OC the memory beyond what Synapse allows. Yet safer than that other Acer vbios that gives insane performance increase at the risk of frying the VRMs due to likely 130w TGP.



Timespy scores: 10,370 overall, 10,759 graphics.

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/21744687

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/232025/232025

 

I found it might be different depends on titles, or I might be messing up with the vbios , it’s crappy capped @3,2ghz isn’t it? I think it’s better capping the cpu tdp, for example when I was playing WD legion I found the cpu temperature a bit 90ish hotty so I use costum low cpu (maybe capping on 25 Watt, frequency often up to 3,9ghz) but let the gpu on high, not much difference FPS I found with 1440p very high no fancy illumination ray tracing (thanks again Jensen for still limiting xx70 to 8gb vram in 2021, cant run max Ultra) is around 50ish quite smooth imo and run cooler on 80ish cpu temperature.

I think it’s on…wait, Acer nitro vbios rn but I think cpu matter they’re the same.

 

I'm back on the likely shunt modded Acer 3080 vbios on mine. I've found that setting CPU to "medium" and GPU to "high" in Synapse gives me the best performance and no longer causes the battery to drain while plugged in and gaming. Temps are great, GPU doesn't go over 75 and CPU stays in 70s and 80s. The GPU clock stays a steady 1905 - 1920mhz as well (in F1 2021, haven't tested other games yet with these settings) and doesn't fluctuate like the stock Razer vbios, which is nice.

I thought I saw a review somewhere that setting CPU to low and medium really are the same performance wise?

 

Can you still use the left usb-c for everything else? Charging, usb hubs, etc? If so that’s not a bad trade off since you’d still be able to use the right one for the display out.

 

Yes it’s from tech YouTuber called joikansai tech with 2 or 3 subscribers

Mostly it’s only DP output to external monitor matters, charging, usb hub, data transfer etc are fine. I don’t have better external monitor or vr headset so for those guys using different vbios that can’t output DP I think NP, and mostly hdmi can do the job, I think I don’t see any vbios that can’t output from hdmi yet on 3070 variant.

 

Yeah the valve index requires a DP output. Works great with the usb-c adapter I have. Still blows my mind that something this tiny is a vr ready machine and can run at high without any noticeable hiccups. If any.

 

You can use powershell with the following code:

Code:

# Enable powercfg item to set frequency
powercfg -attributes sub_processor procfreqmax -ATTRIB_HIDE

# Change CPU Frequency
powercfg -setacvalueindex scheme_current sub_processor procfreqmax 3650
Start-Sleep -Seconds 0.5
powercfg -setactive scheme_current

To change back to default frequency:

Code:

# Change CPU Frequency to default
powercfg -setacvalueindex scheme_current sub_processor procfreqmax 0
Start-Sleep -Seconds 0.5
powercfg -setactive scheme_current

I need a vbios for the 3060 variant. Any ideas for which can enable DP on both USB C ports?

 

The one for 3070 variant that works fine is gs66 vbios (downside gpu tgp is wrongly read and you need Macgyvering the Hardware I think even liquid metal can’t hold the cooling since I heard it’s kind of hunts mode vbios), and Clevo (idk which laptops but it’s 105 watt variant, the downside it’s like weather sometimes sunny good sometimes rainy bad performance, try every synapse mode literally), now back to Acer nitro one which’s stable on my use case only for you DP would be the problem, still not finding ideal vbios, waiting from Razer mid 2021 one popping out somewhere.

@jlp0209 had this model I think he posted once that has nice performance and could catch 3070 performance, not sure on which page and if the DP works though.

 

Just picked up a razer blade 14 3070 model, and man this thing is toasty - more toasty than any laptop ive had before, I came from a G15 zephyrus. Build quality is superb however so I am going to stick with it. Any tips / advice for limiting this cpu from going to 100 degrees c constantly? i've disabled turbo boost but doesn't seem to help!!!

 

If using non boost hits 100 degrees maybe you need repasting, I never disabling boost on it but it hits 100 only on cinebench or stress test like that use 100% CPU (default vbios). If your titles make it toasty try run on low CPU mode ( limit CPU to 25 watt when I’m not wrong), it drops my average cpu temperature from 90ish to 80ish on watchdogs legion, I don’t see much performance (FPS) drops with boost or balance mode.

 

Definitely repaste it. Mine never hits 100C. It’s just normal thermal paste unlike the G15 so it’s a very easy process.

 

Alienware lost in the battle vs. Razer-book 14
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-and-discussion.835993/page-101#post-11109924

 

Yes I saw this yesterday thanks to YouTube Algorithm, thanks to mash IT as well proofing my statement before that blade 14 crappy on battery power or even with usb C Gan charger (hyper juice 100 watt), it’s throttle like crazy on gpu frequency, already bad battery power is giving even better for gaming LoL. Otherwise it’s nice tinybook…and maybe Ming should send their engineers to Dell learning how to put 32gb soldered ram option there

 

How do I fine the case bios ?

 

Which vbios? Did you solve your advanced 3070 vbios issue? Damn I asked also that advanced 3070 to someone on Reddit they’re selfish like scoorge duck.

 

I found stock looking for a 3070 bios that’s better then stock but Msi over heats any ideas ?

 

So far this vbios i use often
Clevo105 watt (DP work, gpu tgp sensor works fine)
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/232160/232160
Acer Nitro 100 watt (DP does not work, tgp wrong read, frequency boost better: better performance)
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/234733/234733
MSI GS66 apparently 130 watt shunt mode vbios (DP does not work, tgp read wrong, the best performance, 11K TS GPU score guaranteed with extra heat)
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/229982/229982
There are other that works with blade 14, like from HP Omen, Gigabyte, base 3070 but performs worse than stock 100 watt Razer.

Did you have stock Razer Blade Advanced 3070 105 watt mid 2021 or 95 watt early 2021? I want to try 105 watt one.

 

the msi one has been Best But my temps on my 15” reach 85c and then Thermal throttle not and the asus one have me a mid match . Is there away to turn off the boost .. let me see what bios he send I’ll check now .

 

Looks like he sent me the bios off the 11th gen 15 advanced with OLED panel

 

Oled is 3080 right, it shouldn’t match the 3070 vbios, does it?

 

He sent me 3070

 

Hmm Interesting, idk there’s 3070 Oled on 11gen, can you share it here? Might not a big performance bump (similar with Clevo above) but maybe worth a try.

 

Any chance you can send me like a private message it’s not letting me upload it because it saying that ram file and I can’t compress it because it’s on my phone .

 

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

 

Yes, I was really surprised! I actually had to run the test a few times as I couldn't believe it! I expected the X15 with 4 fans to dominate here but just kept power throttling

 

Hi Guys, i replaced the ssd on my razer 14 ( be careful removing the bottom case, mine was a bit stubborn and i slighly scuffed some edges of the anodized aluminum pulling it off, which made me sad, but now I'm ok thanks )

I put in a 2TB ADATA- XPG - SX8200 drive to replace the stock 1tb. I didnt realise the adata would be kind of double sided.. and basically there is some sort of strip by the NVME connector on the blade 14 (thermal strip?) that kind of adds tension to the ssd in the last lets say 35 degrees of range until you screw it into the chassis.

i didnt tighten the m.2 screw fully fully but enough, and there IS more tension there than with the single sided SSD. I didnt really want to remove the thermal tape because i've heard that razer is fickle about denying warranty and i want to swap the old ssd in should i ever need any warranty service.

Do you guys see any risk to the m.2 nvme connector on the blade 14's motherboard by putting a double sided ssd in there that adds a bit of tension on that connector? It seems to work fine and low temps..

Thanks.

 

I think it’s better using ssd type same as default, it maybe works for now but long term who knows, that tension might break the connector and checkmate if it happens. Beside isn’t single side cheaper than double one?

 

Yeah, I always use single sided SSD in small laptops. I used this one in my old Asus G14 and currently have it in my desktop. Will replace the Blade SSD with it if I need the space. For those in the U.S., Microcenter's brand (Inland Premium) 2TB is fantastic, fast, and $199.

https://www.microcenter.com/product...d-nvme-13-compatible,-the-ultimate-gaming-sol

 

in my case the doulbe sided was 100$ cheaper. i went ahead and returned it to best buy, stumped up an extra 100$ for the 970 evo plus which is 2tb single sided

Honestly, the tension wasn't that bad bud i guess peace of mind is worth it. thanks guys

 

Just an update and further justification for never buying anything from Razer direct. They've gone totally silent on my refund status despite confirming that they received the laptop back (sent to Taiwan, amazed it actually arrived). The last email was a week and a half ago that they'd be in touch. Totally ridiculous. I purchased the extended warranty separately, so I'm sure I'll need to request a refund on that as well, which will take another month.

I am so on the fence with keeping the Blade I got from Microsoft store. I requested a return just because I'm coming up on the 30 day return deadline and want to keep the option open. I'm thinking of getting a Legion 5 3060 from my local Microcenter for $1299 and adding onsite support, and calling it a day. I hate supporting this company after all of this nonsense.

 

Time to get your bank/credit card company involved. You have all the documentation to show that you sent the laptop back in accordance with Razer's instructions and return policy. They should refund you right away and then go after Razer to be made whole.

You're taking a huge step backward in terms of build quality and physical size with the Legion, but it more than makes up for it with its full-power RTX 3060 and features, including fully upgradable RAM, second M.2 storage slot, and MUX. I've also heard the screen may support G-Sync, though I don't know that for sure.

 

I feel you man, how long was it from first time you rise ticket? A month? That’s suck with such support and keep loosing the costumer, got it from retailers due the discount, when facing same thing maybe I’d do the same, was also looking at g14 back then but some of lack features and design that refined on 14 get me back on track, book 13 was also due cpu performance compared to XPS13 and m1 MBA that saved me getting m1 MBA, it’s coincidental from Amazon since Razer store was freaking overpriced for a dellbook without dGPU.
Let’s see I just first time since blade 2018 ordered directly from them it’s Gan charger though but freaking expensive one, due to apparently the capability giving more juice for the blade 14 as alternative charger, if it doesn’t do the job I’ll return it, and might fight with the CS

 

Mux and g sync on that price point, that’s crazy, might be weak
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Yep, sadly that's where this is headed. I acknowledge the small hit in performance coming from the Blade but the full powered 3060 at 1080p is solid. The screen does support adaptive sync (it is the 5800H model with FHD 165hz screen). My plan if I go through with it is to enjoy the Legion 5 3060 and order the 3070 version from CDW, at $1350 that's just a steal too good to pass up. When that gets delivered in 6 months (hopefully) I'll sell the 3060 version.

Yeah it's been about a month. It's a shame. Good luck with the charger I hope it works out!

 

Just saw Jarrod review about that legion, damn here even I upgraded to 5800H it’s still under 1,2K euro, sound good right.
But watch out as he mentioned ram better choose your self since this’s one of fishy ram apparently, so maybe go with lower ram and throw that away asap if you go that route. There’s some interesting results from gaming, I saw like at least 15 FPS better with Valhalla, 10 on legion, around same on SoTR and RDR2 is 2fps slower on blade 14 3070 stock vbios internal screen, RDR2 not sure how he run though maybe not max quality slide.
So good ram 16gb around €150, still €1350 with 2 years guarantee isn’t bad for I think the best 3060 laptop? But yeah to me not only the performance but it’s all about the size, you get €10 off LoL if choosing 230 watt over 300 huge one, but is it necessary for 3060 .