HP Announces New Laptops for 2009

The Studio have, but the XPS have been plagued by flaws IMO. The fried MOBOs are a proof of this on the XPS, and the heavy weight, bad battery life and poor cooling system on the SXPS (no offense, but the SXPS13, at least, is plagued by flaws dont know much about the 16) And the same fried MOBO on the M4400.

Dell is a slow learner in the heat management area. On the rest hat off to Dell, but on the non-frying-the-MOBO area they have been quite lacking. LOL
The Latitudes on the other hand are much better.

Lenovo, overall is not safe either. They keep heat very well managed and lightweight, at the cost of the KB...

 

I completely agree about the SXPS 13. I think it gets way too hot for an ultraportable, and the battery life/weight on it aren't fit for a 13 incher.

The SXPS 16 has no heat problems if its propped up in the back or on a cooling pad. The battery life on it is regrettable, but a 16 inch multimedia machine isn't aimed to be ultraportable (though it is very thin and easy to carry around). For the couple of flaws, it more than makes up for it with performance/screen/build quality in my opinion.

The MOBO issues were on last generation XPS's, and I don't think it was necessarily Dell's fault. I don't know if it was design flaw on their part or defective units, or both.

 

I like the new envy's its a bit mac-ish, but still really well done. And alot of power under the hood for a consumer notebook. Its a possible work station in a 15in form factor (too bad there isnt going to be a 17in envy)

 

Perhaps you are right.
But I wouldnt doubt on HP.
After all, their business laptops are top-notch and the 8350w which has the same config as the M4400 suffers from none of the frying nor overheating.

HP has good designs, so lets take that into consideration for the Envy laptops, cross our fingers, and hope that this E15 is not a frying pan nor a disaster. Expectations for this one are high, considering the hardware. I hope HP can pull this off!

 

I also wouldn't be surprised if those were speakers as they are suppose to have the Beats By Dr Dre. audio.

 

I hope they are. But the site has the "+" on the side, where the 3 lines are, instead of in the front, that is why I am scared those are vents (if not speakers, what else than vents?)
notice the image I posted earlier, on the front edge there are 3 little holes, according to the site THOSE are the speakers, and the "+" for info is located near them...

 

Well actually the beats logo is there. They may be auxiliary speakers (the small ones on the side).

(hopefully the audio enhancement can be turned off! Boo to colored sound).

 

hmm...i just noticed the lack of ethernet port on the E13. Now that does seem to be taking things a bit far. I know must of us use wireless primarily...but there are still times when ethernet is handy. I guess if I were to buy I'd have to make sure I get one of those USB ethernet adapters....

 

I asked in a previous post in this thread but no one answered.

With the dm3, would you go with the slower Intel SU4100, or the AMD NEO x2 with the ATI card that allows TurboboostX or whatever that is called when plugged into the wall?

Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys!

 

Are you into gaming?

If not, SU4100 will beat the NEO X2 in normal use and battery life.

 

It looks like a perfect alternative to Apple for photographers. I love the large touchpad can be switched off. Gobs of RAM, battery life, expanded gamut LED screen....

If the specs all add up, and the reliability is there, this moves up to the top of the list for my next Laptop.

 

I was going to get the Mini 311, but after seeing the Envy 13... definitely getting it... eventually. Just wish it were ~$200 cheaper at the least.

 

Don't worry, they'll probably have a Halloween sale or for Thanksgiving or something. The prices for Dell and HP are very rarely what people realistically pay for them.

 

HP is sure coming out with some great looking stuff with some great hardware inside.
Win for everyone!

 

Both Envy models have gigabit ethernet.

 

One SSD for OS and apps. One HDD for file storage.


That's the true benefit to having two hard drive bays.

 

The ProBook 5310m is very attractive - it looks like it has good build quality and the $699 starting price point is great. I might have to consider that . . .

 

Right, I said nobody wants two SSDs.

Two hard drives is a good thing, but two SSDs is what I said was overboard.

 

That's exactly what I'm doing. X25-m 80gb g2 and wd 1tb.

 

wow, these new HPs are confusing me more to choose a new lappy! hope that price goes down including SSDs. after reading this thread, i am pretty much convinced i will get benefit for my OS and apps w/ SSD.

 

nice HP

So what about the dv6 Espresso Black and Moonlight White and HDX16 .18 ?

 

The Probook, looks really good spec do beat Mac and 18hrs for battery is crazy, cant wait to read the review..

 

the speakers above the keyboard , which is usually placed have vanished..
two speakers in the front...hmm...

hope HP doesnt put the intake fans and vents on the upper right side altogether , it proves to be non-effective....hate the cooling system..

 

This is what I want to know. Would there be a refresh? I'm willing to wait until Arrandale. The Envy 15 is gorgeous, but I need an optical drive and frankly, I don't want to connect one through USB. I have my eyes on the HDX 16t.

 

But there is no optical drive. You have to buy an add-on. That is a problem for me.

 

Why can't they just put a slim slot-loading one like the Macbook Pro? I guess it's to make room for the 2nd hard drive on the 15" version. I rarely use my optical drive anyway unless I'm on my desk, so it's not a big loss.

They just better not charge extra for the optical drive like Apple does on the Macbook Air. Unless it's an upgrade to a Blu-Ray drive from a standard DVD-RW one.

 

They probably will charge for the external drive. Its a business, not a charity.

Dell shipped the 14z without an optical drive, and it still sold very well. If this notebook turns into what its expectations demand, then people will cough up the extra 50 bucks for an external DVD burner. Blu Ray $100-150.

 

Majority of users rarely use their DVD drive nowadays, so an external solution is often better.

 

Correction: I think a majority of users still use an optical drive (perhaps not on this site, but the average consumer definitely does).

However, not that many people use it when they are on the go. Most people download media or get it online, so they can play it whenever they are away from the desk.

There is still plenty of demand for burning music/movies and using an optical drive for installing/playing games that require discs to be inserted.

However, a majority of users dont need to burn a DVD while in class or on an airplane.

Since these HPs are obviously aimed at bringing portability to the larger mainstream sizes (15 inches, thin and light with long battery life), they are omitting the optical drive. People will still want externals at their desks, they just wont have to worry about carrying them around.

 

In fact, unless you are a gamer, or really need the CDs, there is no need for them.
OS updates, AV, music, videos, TV, software, all is downloaded.
I use my laptop most of the day, and I use the OD Bay only when playing The Sims 2 (i know it is old, but it is addicting). Now, I may be the minority, but it is clear for manufacturers that to keep prices lower, thin laptops, and lighter, something had to go away, and OD Bay was the chosen. After all, isnt SD Card the next one?

Still, I am worried for the cooling system on this.

 

I'm really liking the Envy 15, but they gotta lower the price once the "built for laptop" i7s arrive in Q1 2010. Planning to buy a new laptop then.

 

You can download media, but you still need the OD to burn it.

You can buy DVDs, but you still want the OD to rip it.

I'm not saying the OD needs to be included on the laptop, I'm just saying you are crazy to think the majority of users don't want one at all, not even externally.

I download movies on my notebook, but I like to watch them on TV. Sometimes, you know, I just don't feel like moving my notebook over and hooking it up to the HDMI. Other times, I want to watch the movie at a friends house without taking my notebook.

Anyways, my point is a majority of consumers may not need the drive integrated, but it was only chosen to be sacrificed because its the least needed one when away from a desk, where an external solution is readily (and cheaply) available. Not because it is obsolete technology.

I wouldn't count on it. The pricing you see now is likely the pricing that will stick for the first month or two of launch. The Envy 15 isn't available yet, so I don't see why they would advertise a price now only to cut it when it actually comes out. The advertised price tends to be the cheapest they can possibly get away with to entice buyers. With a Core i7, 4 RAM slots, a high end ATI 4830, a full HD screen, 7 hours of battery life, 1 inch thick, and under 6 lbs, that is quite alot of hardware for under $2000. Its the functionality of a Mac with the performance of a Sager in one machine, and neither of those come cheap with their shortcomings, so I would expect a machine that offered all they did to be a little more.

 

interestingly i forgot to mention this, but the HP 110 has an amazing Lid, i would rock that.

 

Woooooow

HP Middle East

HP Envy 13-1000 Notebook PC series NEW!

HP Envy 15-1000 Notebook PC series NEW!

here

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/me/en/ho/WF02a/321957-321957-3995709.html

 

For what it's worth, I don't think so. Or maybe twice a year on average. That's why more and more are dropping the DVD drive.

 

The reason I believe the optical drive is becoming obsolete is because with cheap SD card solutions (yes, SDHC will become the defacto memory card standard), high bandwidth broadband connections and even just simple USB flash drives with more capacity than a dual layer DVD drive, there is no need for a medium that is largely disposable (non-rewritable, too much waste) and causes unnecessary bulk. The more elegant solutions are already out there and 2010 will be the year I expect to see these alternatives becoming truly mainstream. All the manufacturers need to do is to remove internal optical drives from all laptops, which they are doing now, like they have done with the floppy disks previously.

 

It is truly is amazing how far we have come as well.

Just today i was at best buy looking at the UX50 and was STUNNED at how light it was. I picked it up and was like man i cannot believe this. It was like 13" notebook weight. I was saying to myself that this would be awesome to use in the bed haha

 

Hands-on:
http://www.notebookcheck.com/HP-Envy-13-Envy-15-im-Hands-On-Test.20514.0.html

 

Wow, that is a pretty huge vent!

 

Note that that's the rear of the notebook, so the front very well may still be speakers.

 

It sports an i7, what do you expect as a vent????
Lets hope the front are not vents...but notice how it has vents on the sides and the back, and there are holes everywhere. I think this is a hot laptop in more than one sense.

 

I agree that the majority of standard users dont use the optical drive as much as they THINK they do. They still use it on occasion and will be the loudest complainers when it does start to disappear from the majority of the laptops out there, even if you do have an external option.

Can anyone tell me how a USB external drive affects gameplay when you have to play from the disc?

 

I prefer to have SD cards, they are smaller, cheaper, and the OD consumes way too much battery when used!
Besides, a disk scratches and that is all, the info is lost or corrupted. An SD does not scratch.

 

The only reason I'd use an optical drive would be to run older applications which still need the CD/DVD. Arguably, you can probably get by nowsadays without one and just get an external drive(but where I am, they cost quite a bit).

I also wonder about how temperatures will look on these new models. HPs aren't renowed for being ice-cool lol p

 

Sorry I should've made things more clear; I was talking about upcoming Arrandale.

BTW, does anyone else find it amusing how the Probook 5310m manages to have a more attractive design than the Envy 13 for a fraction of the price? Hmm.. I wonder if there'd be a new 15.6" model to go against the Envy 15 lol.

 

I don't want to clog this thread, but I'll make one last response.

The floppy was replaced by the CD because the CD was better at storing more information and because it was used by other devices (stereos, CD players in cars). Making music CD's was what made CD burning mainstream technology.

The floppy disk and the optical disc aren't the same thing. I agree one day in the future they will be obsolete, but until DVD players start reading SD cards, and stereos start getting USB adapter cables, it will still be a common need as an external solution.

@Phil: My point is they are dropping the drive because people don't need it in laptops wherever they go. Plenty of external solutions are available, hence, it is the first thing they can remove. They aren't removing it because nobody wants optical drives anymore- do you EVER see a 'What Should I Buy' form from someone who says 'no I have absolutely no need for an optical drive EVER'?

 

No different from an internal.

 

Is there a chance that HP will release the Envy 15 without their etching or offer other colors? I would rather it be smooth like the Envy 13 so I can laser etch it myself!

From a wired.com article:

Envy 13 has HP hopes to beat those specs. The $1700 Envy 13 has a 1.86GHz Intel Core 2 Duo CPU, 3GB RAM and 512MB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4330 GPU. It will come with a 250GB hard drive and and an external DVD-RW drive

So the external drive, according to Wired, is bundled with the Envy 13. The article didnt mention if it was bundled with the Envy 15.

Very true. I have lost quite a few DVDs with data cause of mistreatment by others. Its harder to kill an SD card.

I wasn't sure if there would be any lag between reading from the disc and then having to go through the USB 2.0 port. Thanks

 

The 4830 would be quite impressive, as it utterly dominates the current pre-5000 midrange GPUs.

 

I hope Clevo or MSI or Alienware come up with competition for the Envy 15... GDDR5 notebook technology has been available for some time, and HP can't be the first and only one planning to use this.