Guest Editorial: Apple "MehBooks" and the Future of Macs

its not premium because $599 dell has the same hard drive space!! Thats why that smart guy wrote that editorial!! so we can know .... know .... how amazing $599 dells are.

 

I'm about finished discussing things today, but go check out the temps reported from the new mbp's. Mine idles between 40 and 45.

Why isn't the new aluminum premium? How can you discern that from just holding a laptop?

 

I guess its not =/ lol! Maybe it used to be but the new MBP is more consumer oriented.

 

I do know exactly what I am comparing thank you. Can't normal people buy business machines? Infact anyone can buy them just because its called business class doesn't mean only business users can buy them. I am just comparing it to something cheaper and better or just as good. I paid no extra for my warranty. I bought my notebook from a brick and mortar store just like you can from an Apple store. I am comparing one premium machine to another.

No its not your fault that other people don't live near a store. But it is apple's problem for not providing the warranty service that buyers deserve for a notebook that people paid this so called premium for. Or even $349USD for an extra 2 years.

The fact that you are trying to say 58C idle for a C2D CPU is misleading in itself. try asking in the hardware section and see what the next 20 forum members will tell you.

 

I said Macbook Pro not Macbook. Plus, Apple destroys the new ones with no matte display option, which turns down many graphic professional users.

 

Well I am comparing Macs to the Performance notebooks, the ones with high and GPU's and CPU's that have awesome build quality yes the materials used are not as fancy as the Apples, but that is the only advantage I give to mac. Also recently Voodoopc started using carbon fiber in there laptops, which IMO is much better then Aluminum.


Voodoo Envy 133> Apple Macbook Air

 

I will agree that not including a longer warranty with apple is lame, but again, its not an issue with me. Standard warranties need to be compared and I can assure you that getting a business warranty for free is not the norm.

Sorry, 58C in a 1" thick enclosure is normal. Go check out the temperatures in the Vaio TX and TZ series.

 

yes again thats not the point as some people will want to pay the premium for the thin and sexy design of MB Air. i dont want to be a PC user and also notice that the ENvy is much more expansive than the MB Air. ohhh nooo its time to write an editorial!!

 

Ever heard about thinkpad T500, or latitude E6500?

 

Take a look at the HP8xxx series and the Dell Latitudes. Both comes with 3 years business warranties as standard.

Now you are comparing apples to oranges. TX and TZ uses ULV CPUs with a weak active cooling system. Plus its in a faaaaaarrrrr smaller chassis.

 

Aren't ULV processors supposed to be cooler due to using less voltage? I think its a great comparison. Less voltage in a small case, and the temperatures are "high." Macbooks produce the same amount of heat with a more powerful processor in a similarly thin chassis.

 

Well not the cheap latitudes, only the $1500 and up come with a 3 year warranty standard. i ve just took a look at dells website.

 

Ok, then people can still pay $300 for a better 3year business warranty. No?

Oh and how much closer are all the components cramped together in an 11.1'' chassis?

 

My point exactly, the heat produced is offset by having a smaller chassis.... ergo its still normal. Macbook chassis are smaller than the mainstream 13.3" notebooks, so it will produce more heat. In doing so, it still stays well within thermal margins.

 

+1 Johnny, and +1 for your previous posts too.

 

my T500 was 1503 Canadian... for my extra 3dollars I get...
extra 400mhz X2
extra 1GB of memory
extra 70GB of Disk space
better build quality
bigger screen
longer battery life 51/2 -61/2 real world hours
better keyboard (IMO)
better port selection
cooler machine
not so flashy

what I don't get
OS X (I couldn't careless)
thinness
well that's about it.

 

u guys have fun i m going to play some fallout3 now. Its getting pretty boring in here

 

But...hmmm how much smaller is the 11.1'' compared to a 13.3''? Quite alot. If you are saying a Sony Z (13.1'') is running just as hot then i'd listen.

 

cant compare sony z with newer, lower tdp processors to older tech macbooks.

sony z compares favorably with my new mbp, which uses the P-series proc.

 

Well some people do and they dont have the need to yell about it and make stupid editorials about how pc sucks.

 

Fine, compare it to a SZ, its alittle thicker, but its lighter and has a dedicated GPU to add to the heat (when switched on).

 

50C idle from a quick google check. reasonably close to 58C

 

58C is 16% hotter. Not exactly close.

 

Do you want a Macbook/thinkpad x200 comparison?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5z0Ia5jDt4

 

There is a $300 price difference in favor of the MBA. But you are entitled to your own opinions and so am I. I will not try to change your perspective on Apple because it seems like you are happy with what you have.

 

its very close. within the margins of room temperature, which is +/- 4 degrees both ways. PS its only a 13.8% difference.

 

Then maybe I could call a 66C idle CPU cool as well?

 

I just wanted to say:

Thanks NBR for posting this.

(If it were ever in question This should stay on the main-page. I've read about 3 pages of the postings so far and will go back and read more because I'm interested in the discussion. But having read several postings which say this shouldn't have been posted on the main-page at all, I felt compelled to post the following:

The fact is, consumers deserve a thread like this. Yes, ridiculous, over-heated arguments about a laptop will occur (ie, 'flame wars', which seem to happen whenever Macs are discussed). But here at NBR, many of the posters are actually very qualified when it comes to 'opinionating' about laptops, which is why I rely mainly on this site for keeping me up to date about what's going on in the world of laptops. And with this thread, those qualified posters will get to go back and forth about these Mac laptops, the Mac OS, and the Mac brand.

Looking to buy a laptop somewhere in the near future, I appreciate having access to this ongoing discussion about Macs that isn't at some fan-boy site. And frankly, reading the Mac-forum posts on this site are often little better. Indeed, this applies to many of the brand-forums.

If there is any criticism, it is not that this shouldn't have been posted, but rather that postings which generate lengthy, in-depth and at times heated discussion about all the most popular consumer and business laptops--and which bring many people into the discussion--should occur more often.

~bob, a frequent NBR peruser

PS If, somewhere between pages 3 and 12 [Edit: oops, we're at 28], a discussion was had about whether or not this should've been posted, sorry I'm little slow on throwing my two cents in.

 

http://www.notebookreview.com/picture.asp?f=34867
(temps are in F)
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Thank you, someone that actually have some manners. How nice is to respect someone Else's opinion. kudos go to u sir unless u re gonna be writing stupid editorials and acting like a pc-bot then I take me words back.

 

yeah... outside the laptop.

 

This thing is so ugly that I want to puke ...

 

No, unless they pay me to write an article!!! But I will have the right opinions the pros and cons of both sides. As real editorials should be.

 

Anywho this temperature discussion isn't going anywhere, might as well end it here before we start comparing ridiculously random things like cars and fruits and maybe multistory houses to one and other. :laugh:

 

Fair enough.

 

Just from the last couple pages that I have read I noticed how the few mac fanboys keep hitting on how 'pc-bots' started all of this flame war stuff. It simply isn't true

flame wars occur in Mac vs PC threads... not Dell vs Acer
when was the last time you saw a PC user make a shots at Linux?
generally pc and linux users get along just fine; why can't apple?

Maybe some of Apple's fanboy's should look in the mirror and realize that maybe insulting Windoze users isn't such a good idea. It's a two way street.

In response to my posting of my computer specs. I was posting ON TOPIC! I was showing what you CAN get for about the same price - software aside. I stated that OSX was not for ME is that a problem? it seems like some people took offense to it...

 

The Macbook also looks so dull that I want to puke.
But I guess that's not the point

Apple fanboys have too much hype, that's the problem. Even if you show them hard facts, they would still throw it aside and defend for Macs tirelessly.

 

The only hard fact there exists is that $599 dell has the same hard drive space as the macbook. So that doesnt convince me very much.

PC-bots on the other hand will never understand why a company such as apple can be doing so well because they can only look at the practical data sheets from excel

 

This is not new information, for those who give a ****, this has been true for years.

 

And Apple fanboys will never understand why Apple products are not superior by any means to other companies' products. Especially when they are all made in China.
I used Mac OS X along with Windows for a year, and I'm not convinced OS X is any better

Apple fanboys are pointing two guns, one at MS and the other at other PC manufacturers. They try to combine the 2 guns to one and that's the problem.

 

i'd rather have two guns.

superior or not, macbook users enjoy their laptops and satisfaction is at the core of consumerism.

plus it looks way better than any pc.

 

nothing is superior is just what u wanna pay the premium for. Some people apparently do enjoy macs. I m just defending the case here. I m not the one that creates stupid editorials and bashes other people views.

 

And there is nothing wrong with that. People do enjoy driving a Cadillac or a BMW.
But when something else like this brought up, only mac fanboys that start to get offended and try to bash everyone else's opinion, because they just have too much hype.

There are people enjoy Acers as well, again, nothing wrong with that.
The OP is an Macs owner, so I don't think he's calling himself stupid.
And before you want to call someone else stupid, write an article and post it. If you have enough knowledge (which I doubt), I'll consider your judgment more seriously.

 

HP laptops do include LED displays.

 

did I say there was something wrong with people enjoying acers ... no!! what is this thread about!?? how wrong it is to buy an apple product because they cost more. How about before u tell me what to do learn some manners. Also I m not calling anybody stupid but I can definitely say that about this article.

 

I'm sorry to have to butt in on this searing hot flamathon but I just found it funny that while a usual review or editorial generates maybe 100 replies tops, once we touched upon the holy grails that are Apple and Steve Jobs' big junk, all hell breaks loose with these 293+ replies so far (who knows, it may have changed while I wrote this).

Also, I enjoy the large number of people calling other people stupid or rude when they fail to use proper etiquette, punctuation, and grammar in their posts. I'll mention no names but you know who you are.

Regarding the actual topic at hand, I think it's well understood by now that people buying Macs fall into the following categories.

1. People who bought into the hype.
2. People who like their iPod and iPhone and want to give Mac a try.
3. People with too much money (these are more for the Mac/Macbook Pro people).
4. People who value looks and form. Some would say that buying a Mac is like buying a work of art. I'm not going to argue with that since beauty is in the eye of beholder.
5. People who actually use OSX applications to their fullest (a minority compared to the previous categories).

These categories can sometimes mix and mingle but I don't know anyone who bought a Mac for the "value" and as far as I can tell, that's what the author of the article was talking about, the difference in value between similarly equipped PCs and Macs.

 

Then write a better article if you can, otherwise, don't say that it's stupid. It's the same thing as calling the author stupid.
As I said, the OP does have some knowledge base on the posts of him I read before, now if you can prove that you know it better, then I'll consider your judgment.

 

You should give up Han Bao Quan. Continuing your attempts to win this argument would be like trying to win an argument against a GF/wife.... it just isn't going to happen

 

So you don't want to butt in and flame, but your top three reasons why people buy a mac are doing just that... a little hypocritical in my opinion.

If I understand what you're saying, we should buy the cheapest laptop out there that isn't advertised at all, that we should buy laptops from companies that focus solely on laptop computers, and that we should buy ugly laptops. Am I in the ballpark?

PC users are like Jehovah's witnesses... you all want to convert us, but we're not going to listen to your ridiculous arguments. And then we'll make you the butts of our jokes after you leave.

 

Oh I'm just having fun . Apple fans will never agree with what I said that I know
I was an original Mac lovers, especially about the Apple desktop, but it was before they all switch to Intel and others hardware manufacturers.