What's the display limit on running a screen off USB 3.2 v. 2x2?
Concur that 4k x3 isn't the most sensible gaming option for a laptop at present; though I'd be hard pressed to ever go without 4k anymore.
I can see why the slide-out option will be falling out of favor soon. Laptop segment is trickle-down from smartphone segment. And the current "new hotness" that smartphones are trying to work out, is folding displays. I think this is where laptops will be headed--although they may not simply "fold flat". Perhaps something like a roller-shade that can be externally plugged into a laptop chassis (sans screen).
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Packed pixels is about to come out with 2 mobile monitors. One of them is 4k resolution 15 inches and hangs on the side of your laptop monitor. You can put one on each side. I feel like this will be the closest we get to project valerie.
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This is less dreaming but more a realistically cool way for the XPS 15 to differentiate itself.
Background.
Right now, the 15" premium market is hot, with the Aero 15x, XPS 15, Razer Blade, MacBook Pro, Asus ZenBook Pro, etc. all being really, really strong products in their own unique ways. With Dell about to release an XPS 17 next year, which will realistically have more focus on performance with larger thermal headroom, this could allow the XPS new opportunities to fit within the lineup.
The XPS 15 is kind of lost right now as it hasn't really been redesigned since 2015. There are now 15" competitors that are both more powerful (Aero 15X, Razer Blade) in not much heavier cases, and 15" products that are slightly more portable (MacBook Pro).
What Dell could do is make an ultraportable computer with the same performance as the current model. The lightest and smallest full-powered laptop out there.
-Eliminate the screen chin bezel while keeping the other bezels the same size, effectively reducing the footprint to a ridiculous amount for a 15" notebook. ~10% smaller footprint, ~3.75 lbs
-Keep the same battery (97whr) for the current 8 - 10 hours it has now
-Keep the same processor options (H-class)
-Keep the same graphics card families (mid-tier class as it is now)
-Keep offering the 1080p screen for people who want battery life, while offering the 4k version for people who want a better quality screen
-Port selection: 3x USB-C, 1x USB-A, SD-Card reader, Headphone Jack
To do this, Dell would have to do some clever redesigning of the inner chassis to not allow for flex as it currently is, but perhaps some sacrifices need to be made:
-Keeping only one m.2 SSD Slot as it currently is, although most other competitors have 2
-Get rid of some of the unused space on the topdeck where the keyboard and trackpad are with close consideration for keeping comfort and not feeling "cramped"
-Eliminating an open RAM Slot, currently individual SO-DIMMS appropriate for the XPS 15 can go up to 32 GBs, so while competitors may have 64GB options within the next couple years, the XPS 15 will be stuck at 32... but is that really a problem? How many people are even going to purchase 64 GBs of RAM? Software hasn't caught up with the hardware for the past five years. -
Idk if I’d call any of those laptops “strong”; popular maybe, but they’re all rather garbage tbh. Pretty much all of them (except the vapor chamber Blade) thermal throttle to hell, the XPS still has coil whine issues, the Aero’s display is hilariously fragile (don’t pinch it or it shatters), MBP has the keyboard and display defects, and Razer/Asus just have some really poor quality control and build quality.
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If they were really THAT bad, would they be allowed to sell them?
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As for the thermals, I’m referring to testing via ADIA and Heaven at the same time (puts a full stress on the CPU and GPU), and seeing if ADIA reports and thermal throttling (and/or hwinfo reporting power throttling, such as is the case for the Thinkpad X1E). If there is throttling, it means you’re not getting the performance that you paid for when buying X CPU and Y GPU; at best you’re a getting sub-X and sub-Y performance for X and Y price. More than welcome to try it out yourself:
Brands as a whole don’t really matter at all; you need to pay attention to individual models and judge them to their own merits. Overall I like Dell as well and am happy with the 7577 (not to say it’s perfect; the display is garbage), but Dell makes both decent (older G series, Latitude 5000/7000 except the 7390) and bad units (most of the Inspiron line, XPS, Alienware). -
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That's why I'd like to have a THICK 15" laptop that will tear through games and doesn't overheat.
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Not all thick laptops handle heat well (and hell, the Alienware 51M will smoke / catch fire), but it’s certainly easier to make a properly-cooling laptop when you’re not worrying over a mere few millimeters.
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FACT.
Still though, we're talking about AW, and imho, that brand stopped being good when dell bought it.
The only way i can keep my Gigabyte P35x from overheating during gameplay is to manually turn the fans up to full blast--and even then, it will choke on trying to play new games at 4k. Oh it can run them fine...for a few minutes. But then heat catches up. Issues I never had with my MSI GT60 -
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/xps-15-9570-owners-thread.817008/page-266#post-10904843
Why fix the current (EOL) XPS models as the new models is soon ready for release?
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And really, to call a whole product trash and to espouse the notion that all thin-and-light 15" laptops are trash is just ignorant. Not everyone wants a 8 pound monster with 2 hours of battery life, and are more than willing to sacrifice a little bit of the advertised processor speed because of poor cooling for a sweet-spot of portability AND performance. -
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Dell lowering the throttling headroom is what they determined to be the best case for their computers. They aren't making money from doing that. That's what they deemed as the best path forward for this laptop. Consumers should be aware, and determine whether they want to purchase a product where the company wants to play it safe with the thermals of a computer at the sacrifice of performance. That's where I agree with you. I'm not arguing with you there. My point is: to call a whole product trash and to espouse the notion that all thin-and-light 15" laptops are trash is just ignorant. Not everyone wants a 8 pound monster with 2 hours of battery life, and are more than willing to sacrifice a little bit of the advertised processor speed because of poor cooling for a sweet-spot of portability AND performance. -
Customers *should be aware* sure, but most people don't spend the time to sit down and research these things in-depth and they end up buying whatever laptop has the best marketing appeal to them, rather than based on whatever merits the machine has. And to be frank, considering how little attention people pay to more important purchases (like cars or homes/apartments) or important non-purchases (voting, mainly), I can't exactly be surprised that people are too lazy to bother looking beyond the marketing hype or positive reviews.
You can have a thin and light laptop that isn't trash (Acer Swift 3 is a decent example, as is the Lenovo Thinkpad T480s), but a lot of them *are trash*. People want the OEMs to shove in i7 quad/hex cores and something higher end than a MX150 and expect it to somehow give Newton the bird and to defy any sort of thermodynamics and perform as the spec sheet says they should perform, which frankly is delusional. And to be honest, for a lot of these people, where the most intensive thing they'll likely do with the laptop is watch Youtube or spam out Chrome tabs, lower-end hardware that's more appropriate for these machines would still be more than powerful enough for their needs *and* would actually work properly in something like the XPS. But no, people want to brag about their on-paper specs and play the "MUH BIG NUMBERS" game, while being ignorant/arrogant of the fact that these things don't have the performance they say they do. And honestly, you don't need an "8 pound monster with 2 hours of battery life" to get a decent, small gaming rig; the TongFang rebrands (such as the Eluk Mech 15 G2) is something like 4-5 pounds and gets about 4-5 hours of battery life with light usage, just as one example.
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And come on, the Swift 3 and Thinkpad T480s is not in the same class laptop as we are discussing. MX150s and U processors is ultrabook performance. That's not even in the discussion. We are talking about the class of thin-and-light 15" notebooks with a step above in performance. H processors, 1050/1650 and up, thin, and around 4.5 pounds or less. And it's funny. You are saying these notebooks shouldn't exist, or people are foolish for purchasing one. You claim that only people that brag about "MUH BIG NUMBERS" would buy something like this. Hilarious. That's why the thin-and-light PowerBook / MacBook Pro has been so wildly successful and all other manufacturers copy Apple's trend. And why the Dell XPS lineup is one of the most recognizable PC lineups. These computers are wildly popular. I think you are the one really only caring about "MUH BIG NUMBERS" because YOU are the one complaining that the processors throttle occasionally - but still remaining much more powerful than U processors, when the computer is maxed out. You are the only complaining about small loss in percentage of performance with no regards to any other factor, like design, portability, or usability.
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There are *some* decent thin gaming laptops, despite what you think I said. The vapor-chamber Blades have decent thermals, so they can actually obtain the performance the spec sheets imply (ignoring the quality control issues), and the 2019 MSI GS65 thermally modified by a decent reseller (GenTech or HID, for example) does acceptably well also. OEMs can make a good thin gaming laptop if they put their minds to it, but that's more expensive than putting out crap and customers don't care anyway, so why bother making something good?
All because people want to *believe* they're good laptops, doesn't make it so. And call it however you like: those things are still bad buys, but I can't stop someone from spending money on a bad buy. If this offends you in some way, that's your problem. It really shouldn't though... it's *just a laptop*alexhawker likes this. -
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I don't see it as a "good guy bad guy" thing. Just companies who bother to do decent engineering and those who don't. But in the end, you'll have customers who will buy the crap no matter what anyway. The types who see "thin bezels!" and don't stop to think if it's actually decent, you know?
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I want a laptop with a big socketed APU chip kinda on par with whatever console grade graphics are at the time something like the am4 where it supported 3 generations of chips.
Then split me off a 8x PCIe lane to go to an open standard connector kinda similar to MSI ge stealth book they made.
Would make that gaming dock eGPU viable or at least more so.
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Personally I think I would try to place it as an expansion bay.....maybe rip out the CD drive in favor of that.
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There was also a mod that made that port into a eGPU but lenovo had a whitelist of sorts so it only worked with AMD GPU. Many of those that wanted something like that used the RX 480/580 and I think there were a few Vega 56 systems as well.NuclearLizard likes this. -
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I only recently picked up a used t440p because of the i7 4980hq I already had and everyone else already tested this machine to hell and back (plus it was 80 USD)
So yeah it exists, just a long list of crap alongside it.
Product support would be a nice addition to the thread I think lolNuclearLizard likes this. -
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Honestly, I have very modest wants;
I want 2k+ USD laptops to be factory pasted with top end pastes with good application.
I want laptop manufacturers to determine their own TDP that their chassis can dissipate and set the TDP on the chips accordingly. And also I dont want any unnecessary resistors on the pcb driving voltages up for no reason. Quite frankly nothing should be locked on my hardware... its mine, I should be able to melt it if I want... just void my warranty but dont make it difficult for me to use my own hardware...
I want the body to be adequately rigid where I dont have to treat the laptop like an infant, preferably built with light metal panels.
I want easily upgradable components, like the screen panel, storage, ram and easy access to the cmos battery. (Just make a little pop-open window at the bottom panel..)alexhawker and Aroc like this. -
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I just thought of 2 uses for folding screens for laptops.
One is the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo approach but instead of two seperate displays, it's just one that folds.
Another is one that wraps around the back of the display that folds outwards. If there was just 1 fold on the left and right side of the screen, we could have 32:9 screens for laptops BUT if then if the screen was double folded, we could have a 48:9 laptop! (same as triple screens)
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I prefer my t440p's and Rangers.
Just like anything else, if you buy something for the branding you're burning your money regardless. Look at the individual model in question then move forward if your boxes have been checked.bennyg likes this. -
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Just about everything I have seen runs like a furnace even my 6920hq in my GT 83 till I tuned it.
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Still want to see a magnetic charger connection in something higher end.
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Laptop DIY builds? I would love that so much.
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How about AMD desktop CPU laptops? Zen 2 Ryzen in a laptop would be great!
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end of the year brothers! or early next year.
amd 16 cores in laptop or intel 10 core comet lake.jc_denton and NuclearLizard like this. -
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Man I know there's a lot of overhead to get it to market at this point but I really can't wait for some competition in laptop chips.
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**** I'm starting to hate my hobby.
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New GaN-based chargers are making chargers for phones and such smaller and more efficient. Maybe we can see some of these be scaled up for laptops? Would love a smaller 230W brick for my laptop.
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2016 and Beyond: What are we missing in laptops/notebooks?
Discussion in 'Notebook Cosmetic Modifications and Custom Builds' started by Mr. Fox, Dec 1, 2015.