Official MSI GE60 2013 Owners Lounge

Dissappointed to hear of the 98
Thr Intel cpu page lists TJmax as 100c for the cpu so only 2 degrees away
Intel® Core
Grim did the log list what value the cpu had throttled to at 98?

Had almost pulled the trigger on this since my laptop has been dead for 2 and. A half months and I am reduced to using my phone for everything. Need one and at this point I'm almost desperate to buy this
But the 98 degrees has made me double minded again lol.

 

Well, in my case, the temp was hovering high in 80c and low in 90c. I found it acceptable internal temp wise. But I could not accept the loose heat. Of all laptops I've owned over the years, GE60 was the worst in case of heat or rather cooking my hands.

Even my 3rd laptop, Dell XPS M1330 which had major heat issues, was better than this.

I chose GE60 for its thin thickness and light weight. And that I did not actually need 765m. I was looking for only 750m. There was no reason for me to choose GT60. I initially choose Lenovo Y510p which I returned after finding out that it used NGFF ssd.

In the end, I chose Asus ROG G750. I was only looking for 15 inch, but after handling it, I found it too nice to return, so I decided to stick with it. I've seen plenty of laptops with aluminum upper chassis, but thickness of the aluminum that G750 has is on a whole different level. And you know what, no matter how much I push G750, the heat does not get to me and more importantly I can hardly tell whether the fans are blowing. It's pretty quiet even in gaming.

 

Nice find. To make matters worse, I ran the temperature sensor calibration from RealTemp (heats up core with P95 then lets it cool down by slowly reducing workload) and found that my sensor for core 4 is about 5 degrees c behind the others so it means that at least some part of my processor went above the maxiumu Tjunction.

 

What programs are there to undervolt/underclock haswell CPUs?

 

That is pretty bad. I remember reading somewhere that the chipset starts throttling at 96c to drop temps and prevent it getting closer to the TJmax. It might have been this thread or a review on notebookcheck but they said it kept temps in check.

It might be that yours isnt throttling, or are you using ThrottleStop yourself to prevent throttling.
Also silly question but was the turbo button (max fan) active when you got these temps?

 

hi, i've seen this thread's post, really dissapointed with the issue, but I have a few questions here, please help me

1. does it really hurt in your palm rest? I mean if it just warm I can still accept it

2. does the cpu which rise to 90c when gaming bad for the laptop's health? (like game crash or force shutdown)

3. with such high temp, do you turn the turbo boost on?

4. does it happen with gt750m version too? because i'm gonna buy that version probably

many thanks hehe

 

1. I've been gaming with this laptop over the last few days, and the CPU reaches about 92-93 maximum. Even when it was at that level, at no point was the palmrest unbearably hot. It was lukewarm at most, the only place that is too hot to touch comfortably is the 1 cm wide strip of aluminum to the left of the keyboard.

2. I had one crash when taxing the CPU hard for about 20 minutes, but I wasn't monitoring the temperature at the time. I assume the laptop is forced to shut down at around 95 degrees.

3. I turn on turbo boost whenever the temperature goes above 80 degrees, and it seems to help a bit.

4. No idea.

 

what kind of programs did you do when it crash? crysis 3?

regarding the terrible battery life issue, has it fixed yet??

I hope there's a driver update to fix the issue

thanks

anyway I just saw an online review from a reliable website, the review posted on 3th july 2013 for the GE60 2OE-003US

It says :
on the LAPTOP Battery
Test (continuous Web browsing over Wi-Fi at 40
percent brightness), this notebook lasted 3
hours and 41 minutes on its 6 cell battery

considering the review just posted yesterday, I think there is a probability that he get a new unit with an updated driver, what do you guys think?

i'm sorry I can't give you the link, since I am new here I just don't know it is illegal or not to give another laptop website, but if you google it you will find it pretty easily

hehe

 

Very interesting find. I think it may finally be time for me to try upgrading my BIOS and Firmware and see if that changes anything. I would also like to note that the reviewer got a laptop that is .2 lbs less than what I have (and GenTech measured), maybe a second rev of it already.

 

I get estimates of 3 hours 40-50 minutes now from a full charge, so that seems reasonable

 

That's better, I was suspecting that some people were over-reacting to low estimates from an un-cycled Li Ion battery.

How are your temps now btw?

 

Playing Swtor I see temps in the 75-87ish range on the CPU, GPU somewhere in the 70s to low 80s. During light work or idle cpu is like 40-50 and the fan isnt even audible which is fantastic. I actually took the harddrive out of the bay and put it in the ODD which reduced heat to the palm rest while playing games. Today I was in class from 12:10 to 2:30 with the laptop off for about 15ish minutes of that time and I left with 52% battery. That was at 40% screen brightness with wifi on, keyboard backlight off and no usb peripherals connected, taking notes on evernote and checking up on some NHL news, just to give an idea of battery life with light usage. Every setting I can find is set to increase battery life, have a throttlestop profile that limits the cpu to 1.3ghz, though its really at the lowest state (800mhz) most of the time anyways. So I can basically take this laptop to school without my charger most days and be confident the battery will last me. If I did more intensive work though I would definitely want to bring my power brick.

I would still love to see someone take a chance on that 6600 mAh battery and post some results/pictures of it. I bet we could squeeze 6 hours out of that with light use.

And I'm still waiting for some new Nvidia drivers, thats probably the most annoying thing for me right now. My GTX670 on my desktop is on 326.whatever and im stuck on these 311 drivers for this laptop, quite frustrating.

 

Do the 320.49 drivers from nvidia's website not work?
LINK: Drivers | GeForce

 

nothing works, and if i mod the inf the install starts but then it fails and i have to reinstall 311

 

wow, I feel really relieved now, since this gonna be a gaming laptop and also for college, battery life is a crucial thing,

but any improvement on the heat when gaming and do CPU intensive program?? I mean on the temperature and also the heat near the palmrest/touchpad area

I hope I will also hear the same battery life improvement from mr grim tuesday

hehe

 

Palm rest gets warm during gaming, but its not super uncomfortable, less heat on the palm rest with the hdd moved to the odd and the main bay left empty. Maybe some material could be put in the main bay to insulate from the heat being generated by the cpu/gpu? I dunno but something to consider. Right above the touchpad below the spacebar it gets extremely hot under load, you really cant keep your finger there without feeling like you are going to burn yourself, but its not something I have touched by accident. Also keep in mind if you are only stressing the CPU the temps are going to be much lower, the reason this thing gets so hot is we have 1 fan dealing with the heat from the cpu and gpu, so when the gpu is also being stressed that contributes to higher temps on the cpu.

Anyways on an unrelated note I got some carbon fiber wrap from ebay, but I ordered 2 dollar stuff from china and it turned out to be total junk, no matter what I did I couldnt get the air bubbles out and it left awful adhesive behind. So I ordered some professional quality stuff from the states and ill update with a picture when I have my laptop all pimped out, It should look pretty sick.

 

that's not good

I am planing to overclock my gpu,
is it impossible?

 

I wouldn't recommend it. My GPU temps have been pretty good actually -- nothing above 80 C but I think the GPU throttles there because 80 has been an absolute ceiling, it has never broken it according to GPU Temp. I wouldn't recommend it mainly however because it will heat up the CPU as a result of the heat pipe which as we all know gets really hot on this machine.

Some more observations: Orcs Must Die 2 heats up the CPU a lot but in games that are GPU bound like The Witcher 2 or assumable something like Crysis 3 or BF3, the CPU stays in the mid 80s. Again, interestingly, a simple flash game like Limbo heated up the CPU to 85, around the same temp as The Witcher 2.

 

so crysis 3 and bf3 get the CPU in 80,
i think in that game i can overclock the GPU just by a little but of course i will watch my CPU to not reach 90c

what is the GPU tempt when playing Crysis 3 or BF3?

in orcs must die 2 how much the CPU tempt did you get?

have you ever experience any game crash or force shutdown? if so what is the program you are running??

anyway, if you compared this laptop to lenovo y510p, which do you think better in heat?

(i want the lenovo y510p but it only has 3 USB port, and also it use the next generation SSD, which i cannot upgrade easily, at least now)

thanks
hhe

 

I have my GPU overclocked at +135 core, +900 memory, core is at the max it will go without a vbios mod, the strange nvidia inspector method really didnt work properly for me. On every computer I have ever owned I have never really experienced any signifigant change in temperature from overclocking my graphics card. Even on my desktop my 670 is overvolted a bit (overvolting is where you should actually see a difference in temp) and even there i dont see any difference in temp.

Gpu temp is always going to be lower than the CPU in this machine anyways so I wouldnt worry about it. Haswell runs hot, kepler runs cooler. Your cpu IS going to hit 90C at some point, its not the end of the world, the computer wont be damaged by it, haswell just runs hot.

 

so you means that 90c for CPU tempt is ok?

if I playing games like 8-10 hours a day will it still be allright?

just to make sure, this is the first time I buy a laptop, and I am not an expert in computer,
share your experience with me please

hhe

 

Regarding heat, mine was getting real hot just playing World of Warcraft, which by no means is very graphics intensive game. I repasted the CPU with a high quality thermal compound and also used the Intel Extreme Utility to downclock from 3.4 to 2.4 ghz. Now the laptop runs under 70 c which is now very acceptable.

 

You should be fine, just get a cooling stand for it

 

I hit a maximum of 97 C in Orcs Must Die 2 and it hovered around 93-95. Three of four cores read "log" in Realtemp which meant they had reached the thermal throttling threshold in the session. I was playing on a flat wooden desk with at least 5 inches for all air vents.

Do know it is very hot where I live (high 20s C) so that may have contributed.

Has anyone been able to fix the keyboard flex? The folks in the 2012 thread said to just stick some pieces of paper underneath the keyboard but you have to break the sticker to open it up. I don't want to break the warranty sticker on mine because I might be able to return it if I don't.

 

wow seeing how hot the processor gets, i don't see the point of getting this laptop when it can't even handle the clock rates that it is suppose to.

 

I think people are over reacting to how hot the processor is designed to operate.

 

This. I've had my current laptop for over 4 years and the CPU gets to 100C during gaming.

 

Just an FYI for those with this laptop and the logitech gaming software installed - the gaming software package automatically forces the nvidia gpu on. I could not for the life of me figure out why my power light still showed orange when i had nothing at all running. After some investigation, I found that a program called "lcore.exe" was keeping the gtx765m on, and the logitech gaming software was the culprit. As soon as I closed it, power button turns blue and I get the 3+ hour battery life estimates that others are seeing here.

 

You can create a specific profile for it by adding the exe in the nvidia control panel.

 

Yes,but Schenker XMG A523(Clevo w350st) has the same gpu and cpu with only one fan,and have less temps in the notebookcheck review.

 

The w350st is a bit thicker than the ge60, and blue suggested that there might be a paste problem on the ge60. The temps are uncomfortably high though.

 

Hi (sorry for my english),

First of all, i want a laptop computer for gaming under 1100€ and i found this laptop, the problem is that CPU and GPU are really hot during gaming even if its correct temp.

Should i buy this computer or GT60 0nc (i5 and gtx670mx) ?

 

A newegg reviewer is saying there are issues with WiFi, can anyone confirm?
Newegg.com - MSI GE Series GE60 2OE-003US Notebook Intel Core i7 4700MQ(2.40GHz) 15.6" Full HD 8GB Memory DDR3 1600 750GB HDD 7200rpm DVD Super Multi NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M

I'm probably going to pull the trigger on this laptop today or tomorrow.

 

Nope. But I'd rather recommend GE70 over GE60 if size isn't an issue.

 

I am not an expert and i am going to buy my first laptop and i really like this one but i have a few questions:
1. Why is there that huge battery life difference between GE40 and GE60 ? Only difference between them is GTX760M/GTX765M and display size 14"/15.6" ... That's really awkward ...
2. I am planning to buy nonSSD version with only 750GB 7200rpm HDD and i would like to put in 2x mSata SSDs, is it possible to put them into SuperRaid?
3. Will I lose warranty if I'll insert these 2 SSDs and move win 8 from HDD to them ?

Thanks!

 

1. No idea. I haven't owned GE40.

2. Do you really need to raid SSD? A single SSD is already too fast for eyes to notice any marginal differences any raided SSD may offer. Save your money.

3. Nope, you won't lose warranty.

 

Hmm...I really would like to know why there's so huge difference in battery life -_- It's not very important thing for me 'cause i still have some place where i can put my charger but i also dont want an laptop which will go to entropy after 3hours(web browsing/wifi on/40-60% display) -_-

That's true about the SSD but I am going to study 2D/3D graphics at University soon, and I think higher read/write speed means faster rendering. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

Wrong. What you need is CPU speed (Primary) and bigger RAM (Secondary). The laptop has already big enough RAM. CPU is barely adequate for dedicated rendering though.

 

The reason there is a battery disparity between this and the GE40 is that the GE40 has a bigger sized battery than this: It is 65 Wh and we only have a 48 Wh battery. As I mentioned a few pages ago, it flabbergasts me MSI had access to a better battery but didn't put it in here. Another reason may be because the 765M has a 25 W higher TDP than the 760M in the GE40.

For dedicated rendering, I would not use this laptop. The CPU is great (6.8 Cinebench) but I'm just not comfortable running it so close to its TJMax as rendering would require (during Cinebench it did indeed get to 98 C). That makes me question whether you can realistically benefit from the muscle this CPU provides.

Also, Noobie, I would not recommend buying this laptop. If you must buy it, get it from somewhere that offers a return-for-refund policy, ie not Newegg.

 

If you are in the market for this laptop then you want it because of the performance it offers at this size. Its a totally reasonable notebook to put in your bag and take to school. I would never want to lug around one of those huge clevos even if it has better thermals. Battery life is good enough for me personally, I can get about 4 hours of school use so thats absolutely acceptable (school use for me is taking notes, reading random articles, fair bit of idle time). If you dont care about the relatively thin profile this laptop provides for the hardware inside then just get a clevo. Though I wont lie that I absolutely love having raid0 msata ssds in a laptop, with the ability to have 2 other hdds if I desire, though I only use 1.

 

I also have no idea whatsoever how you get such ridiculous temps. I just downloaded cinebench to see and I got totally reasonable temperatures. http://i.imgur.com/tWHYufD.jpg

 

I'm running multi monitor right now so my screenshot is a bit wonky but here is what I got. This is at stock voltage and speeds.

http://i.imgur.com/BMhlDgx.jpg

Maybe something is wrong with my particular computer? It's like they forgot to paste at all. As for how this relates to the Clevo, it weighs exactly the same as the W350ST.

 

If you are comfortable repasting maybe give that a try, im also undervolted and running it on a cooling pad, with main hdd in the odd to reduce temps on the wrist rest. I still cant imagine all that coming out to be 20 degrees cooler though. Strange. I mean I guess it could just be a really horrid paste job that they did..

 

Did you repaste yours? I've built desktops before so I might be willing to try though getting the HSF on was always my least favorite part (damn you Intel push pins!) Also, when you got a hdd caddy for the main hard drive, did it fit snugly or was it loose like the DVD drive is?

 

It fits perfectly, would never even know that a hdd was in there. I got the silverstone caddy, whatever it is called, no complaints and it was only like 12 bucks. And yeah I repasted with arctic mx-2. My first time repasting a laptop but it was a very simple process.

 

How long were you benching for?

 

My temps were during the run, about 40 seconds into a ~1 minute benchmark.

 

During the cinebench run which is like a minute long. Right now after playing swtor for about an hour and a half I have my CPU max temp at 82 and my GPU at 73

 

Since MSI uses MX-2 as the stock paste, blue repasting with the same compound just shows that there is definitely something wrong with the pasting done at the factory.
I'm ordering a tube of IC Diamond with my ge60, I'll post results here in a few days.

EDIT: GentechPC says the same thing: http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi...w-gtx-680m-owner-s-lounge-68.html#post9045198

 

Clearly MSI uses way too much paste. How can they do that? Isn't it someone's job to sit there all day and put paste on laptops? Don't you think they would have told him or her how much to put on?

In the latest news for my computer, I was playing a game (OMD2 again) and noticed some slowdown. I checked the temps again and they were in the 70s! Then I looked at the clock speed: 800 mhz. I think I'm really going to have to return it. I'm not really confident with my ability to repaste a laptop and what's the point of a great processor in a gaming laptop it if throttles to 800 mhz when gaming.