You could always use afterburner to overclock the 540m a little. But not sure I completely recommend that, your machine will run real hot if you push it up anymore than it is. If you're doing that at least have a decent notebook cooler on hand. And definitely make sure you're plugged in. I don't think there's a laptop on the market that doesn't throttle a little when being pushed on battery power.
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I haven't tried it, but in general with newer titles, see if you can find out the resolution of the highest texture settings. Sometimes, its extremely high, and considering that you're running it at only 1366x768 (unless you're driving an external monitor or TV), often 'one less' in setting makes no difference. Depends on how high-res the textures are.
I usually find 2x AA is good enough for smooth textures, as AA really works the cards hard, so the lesser the amount, the better.
Depth of field, regional blur/'mirage' effects, HDR and other post-process effects also eat GPU power. Depending on the title, turning off VSync may have no effect at all (other than speeding things up!), but in some cases, turning it on actually makes the scenes update faster, so I always give it a try unless I know how the game engine treats that setting already.
As manifest3r mentioned, most notebooks reduce CPU performance (and sometimes the GPU too) when not plugged in, and as mstefanko said, I wouldn't do any overclocking without a notebook cooler helping out underneath.
HTH!
PS We should post our settings for any popular titles, if we think we've been able to max out the performance, with a comment as to whether our primary goal was framerate over eyecandy or vice-versa. -
I agree wumpus, would love to update the first post with settings/popular titles/frame rates ...I'll do it for a few games when I get a chance, but if anyone else feels inclined, please do so!
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Right! I totally forgot framerates!
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I found an interesting pdf with some info about this laptop on MSI's ftp server. Most of it is useless to us but there is a nice breakdown of the parts in the laptop and a ton of alternate configurations. What stood out to me is the alternate panel they have listed.
http://faenl.msi.com/ftp/CE%20Documents/Notebook/MS-1491x%20%28X460,%20X460DX%29/MS-1491%20IT-CE%20test%20report-1000808.pdf
Edit: Another cool one with pictures of circuit boards and schematics
http://faenl.msi.com/ftp/CE%20Documents/Notebook/MS-1491x%20%28X460%2C%20X460DX%29/MS-1491%20CB%20test%20report-1000622.pdf
Some more googling. The alternate panel model# is IVO M140NWR1. It seems that this could be a good matte alternative for our laptop. It can be had for very cheap. I see it in stock for less then $60. I can't find a matte version of the CPT for that cheap. My guess would be its built to the same specs as the CPT panel so it would only make sense if you really want a matte screen. -
I also got a message from Windows one time asking if I wanted to use the basic Windows 7 Color Scheme because my computer didn't have enough resources to run with the more complex color scheme (I can't remember the name)
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The parts list is a no-brainer for value for sourcing replacement parts someday, and the alternate configuration is definitely interesting.
It seems all the 40-pin TN 262,000 colour panels are going to be around 45% of full NTSC, but its cool to see the same power supply is used for the i5 & i7, and that the 21 configuration packages basically almost confirms that these components are mix & match compatible.
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Awesome, bryf50! Great find. And laptopbro, not sure what is going on there. I could see it getting choppy if it's actually using the intel HD 3000 instead of the 540m, as i've had that happen a few times with game launchers switching the indicator light to orange, but the game actually using integrated graphics. But that error message looks like it was using your dedicated card, so reinstall directx/nvidia drivers. Disable virus protection, and anything else you might be running in the background while playing, and see if that helps at all. I'll try to download the beta and mess with it at least by this weekend, i'll let you know my settings then.
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In case someone is shopping for this laptop or know someone that is, here is the latest deal:
MSI Laptop X460DX-006US Newegg $759 AR + Coupon - Slickdeals.net
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im considering getting one of these and my 2 biggest questions so far are what is the actual build quality like versus say an alienware, or a dell latitude and what is the actual usable battery life with 80-100 percent screen brightness and basic functions such as web surfing on wifi, using microsoft office software, itunes etc etc? ive read some extremely varied reviews about both. can the machine take a drop like the dells or alienware or even like a mac? is the upper end of 5 hours to the mid 6 hour range too much to wish for from this machine?
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Hopefully someone weighs in that have more experience with the alienware and higher end dell machines. I have plenty of experience with macbooks..Macbooks are definitely higher build quality, and probably thus more durable...But you do pay for it, same with the alienwares...You're paying a lot so as much as I haven't held most of their machines, i'd hope they would be built extremely well..Especially considering how heavy they are. All that being said, I feel like its build quality is quite high, especially when comparing it to other notebooks in the price point. Read someone else say they dropped theirs on concrete 5 feet and no damage, so i'd say it can take a drop...But thats all relative, even the greatest of build quality can suffer damage from a small drop if it lands on the wrong surface in the wrong position.
As for the battery, as much as I would never count on the 8 hours its rated...It has really good battery life. Easily 6 and over with wifi and 80% brightness. I've done a lot on this in 6 hours. And especially if you're hitting the majority of things with the intel HD 3000, you can easily achieve the 6 hour mark for most things you would be doing. -
laptopbro, about BF3. Downloaded today and played around for a couple minutes. Graphically was fine on medium with AA on 2x. I also had the typical lag with wifi, thats what I imagine you're mostly experiencing. When playing a game like that with 28-64 people online, on wifi, a lot of other variables are introduced. Whenever I can test out campaign mode, I can verify that moreso. When I originally was thinking about this, i wasn't thinking about BF3 beta being 100% online multiplayer. If you can try to plug in instead of using wifi, and try it out that way. I'll play with it more tomorrow.
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So after doing more research the only realistic way we'll ever get greater then 1366x768 is if by some very off chance MSI included a dual-channel LVDS cable with our laptop. The only way we can test this is to see how many wires the LVDS cable has. I'm not feeling up to taking apart my screen atm because the bezel is also glued/double-sided taped onto the panel and once you take it off its very hard to impossible to get it back on the same way.
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I'm using the laptop in my MBA program. I can go a solid 5 hours when I forget to plug in. Even when I get the 20% battery warning, I still have a good 90 minutes before auto-hibernate. I've never felt that I had to rush to find a plug. I use Wifi on, and medium brightness, usually. I do heavy Excel, Office stuff, web surfing, and streaming. Should also mention that I'm an SSD/HDD combo user, so my 500GB 7200RPM drive eats some watts there, which I why I get less than 6 hours.
As far as build quality, I've not seen any recent Dell or Alienware that could take a significant drop. (Conversely, I had a Latitude about 5 years ago that I dropped twice from 6 feet and it was fine). I'd say the machine is close, but slightly under a Dell or Alienware. It's also much less expensive.
The keyboard can feel a bit mushy, but it doesn't rattle like cheap keyboards do. The aluminum top keeps the screen from twisting too much (not anywhere near as much as my Sager NP8150). The laptop fits in the hand nicely, and though they demonstrate it being carried by the battery in the promo videos, the battery isn't terribly tight - it wiggles.
The palmrest and keyboard deck flex if you push hard (10 lbs or so).
It's not a Mac - apples and oranges.
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Deus Ex, HR worked nicely at 1366, I didn't notice any lag. I think HL2 loaded on the HD3000, but I don't remember specifically.
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A Dell/Lenovo business-class notebook may be able to handle a short fall (with a bit of luck on your side), whereas this MSi or a Dell/Lenovo consumer notebook will rely heavily on some extra luck to survive. Any other consumer notebook would require major luck and some divine intervention.
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I'm wondering if the LVDS cable is coming off a header from the NVidia card, which might be a generic connector supporting both single and dual-channel LVDS. Maybe we're forcing ourselves into a corner by trying to work with a limited LVDS connector, when saying 'screw it' and using a different connector altogether would do the trick, and allow a much broader range of displays to be used. I don't know how the LVDS cables handle the lid flexing though. We might be able to find another laptop using a GT540m (and maybe even other similar performance/time period NVidia GPUs?) with a higher res display and similar lighting (WLED, not CCFL)? Then 'just' switch the display and LVDS cable.
I'll have to check the notebook display seller websites again to watch the installation videos to see if there's a separate power connector. I haven't seen a video for our model, but there's a video for doing a replacement on a Toshiba using the exact same display panel (like for like, unfortunately). And if some of the Sony's use our same panel and are switchable to 1600x900, there may be some ideas there. The downside with the Sony is that it uses a 6630, whereas the Toshiba uses a GT550M. -
...Wish I knew more about LVDS cables and notebook panels. Is it not possible to replace the 15 pin LVDS cable with the 30pin(double-LVDS)? Feel like i've seen similar projects on other notebooks. But I have absolutely no idea the limitations/obstacles.
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I don't know if you need a double LVDS cable to cover a > 262,000 colour palette, or if the double LVDS cable is what is needed to do >1366x768 resolution, or either. Either way it makes sense for bandwidth, but it would be nice to know which requirement demands the double LVDS. At least we'd know which upgrade would be easier using the existing cable.
And I seriously doubt NVidia is making a special card just for MSi, so the header (connector off the GPU card) is most likely generic for different implementations (different manufacturers, and supporting either business or consumer grade displays), and so should accommodate either single or dual channel LVDS. That last part is just a logical presumption though! I think we'll have a better chance at success if we find a notebook with a comparable NVidia GPU card, and order its replacement LVDS cable and display, as long as that display is similarly lit, and will fit in the X460DX's bezel. -
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mstefanko: thank you! One mystery down!
I don't know about full 24-bit colour though (16.7 million, versus 262,000) and if that needs the double LVDS too.
All the screen vendors state over & over not to switch lighting (CCFL vs WLED vs RGB-LED), but as long as there's light of some source, it should work, at least the way I see it. There must be something esle I'm not considering though. Colours would differ depending on the light source too, but that can be addressed elsewhere. The PDFs didn't provide any helpful info on the LVDS cable specifics, but I should check again to see if a model # was mentioned - maybe the same model cable is used elsewhere. -
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So for those folks out there with a generic ODD bay, I had the thought of making my own faceplate with Suguru. Anyone have any experience with the stuff? Think it would match, or should I pick a crazy color? Would it bond permanently? How can I make it fit perfectly without fusing the bay into the body?
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My laptop gets pretty warm while gaming on it though. I think the highest it's been is about 90 degrees celsius. Would it be bad for the computer's health if I game for extended periods on a regular basis? -
I wouldn't worry as long as it doesn't go too far past that. If system shuts down or locks up do to the heat, then you really have to be more careful. Have seen systems get much higher during heavy use and it never effected the longevity of the machine. I'll have to check out the drivers though, thanks for that. Using wired internet removed the choppiness for me, wireless was my bottleneck..I could play a game smoothly and it looked good just being wired.
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I will partially agree with wumpus...Especially if it's getting above 90, and you're in one place at home, just grab a notebook cooler and no more worries. 90 may sounds ridiculously high, but it should still be within safe tempertures for the card. I have to do some digging to see what max temps for the 540m are, but I thought i read 100-105c previously. i've seen cards that are ok up to 120c, and people systems running at close to that, it's highly dependent on the system and the card. It's also a dangerous game to play, as even if it's safe for the gpu, other components may not be ok with extended use at that temp. We put a lot of faith in notebook manufacturers, especially at 14 inches, that they are not screwing us over with poor designs. But i will second that this machine at least has a pretty decent heat pipe set up. Also makes a big difference if you're playing for hours like that. or if it's small doses. GPU will being to throttle back at a certain temp, and if you're seeing artifacts or worse performance that you should be, take a break.
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Do you have any recommendations for a cooling pad? My top choice at the Notepal U2 but read a lot of reviews saying the fans failed after a couple of months. I'd be buying it knowing I'd most likely have to replace the fans. -
Ultra Sub Zero X1 15 Notebook Cooling Station
My criteria was to have something not too heavy, no sharp edges (it could be on my lap or on the couch or bed sometimes!), and has intakes from the bottom and the sides (in case it was placed on a soft surface that would block the bottom vents). It had to have at least one available pass-through USB port so I didn't lose a port plugging it in. It had to be extremely quiet. It had to have reasonable longevity. Finally, and probably most importantly, it had to have the edge(s) of the fan close to the intake vents on the bottom of the X460DX (which are closer to the front edge than most notebooks).
The one I got seems solidly made, and had a good MTBF figure, and met all my other criteria. I wish the fan was a bit stronger (even at the expense of a bit more fan sound), and the bottom panel flexes easily, so if you place the cooler on a table coaster, it will bend the housing such that the fan blades skim the housing ('Weed Whacker' sound! Not a big problem - you just have to remember to have a clear surface when placing it on a table). Mine only has the Ultra logo (which is still ugly, IMHO), but the one at the link above has all sorts of extra gawdawful signage.
It does drop the temps by a few C, but not as much as some coolers do (prior GPU max was around 64-70C, now is about 58-65 C max, and the notebook fan doesn't have to run as loud or hard as before either). I have yet to experience some throttling on my X460DX, and I try as much as possible to have it on the pad when its under load (unless I'm travelling, when I don't bring it along). This pad has no soft edges or padding or neoprene, but at least the corners are rounded plastic edges.
I would just buy anything that meets the same criteria. It doesn't have to be expensive. I saw the Notepal 2 when shopping around, and its solid (very simple, actually) but the fans would almost certainly be blocked if placed on a soft surface: if that won't be a concern, it would be great, because its inexpensive, you can replace the fans, and can place the fans anywhere where you want them.
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Just fyi for anyone who might want a cheap bluetooth mouse...
lenevo Bluetooth Laser Mouse N6901A with coupon code USP1O16482 is $15 + tax (free shipping).
Lenovo - Find accessories for your laptop and desktop - Keyboards & Mice 57Y6482 -
Does anyone know of a 14" 1366x768 panel that isn't terrible? I've been looking around and it seems things have gotten worse then ever in laptop screen world. Sad that our laptops are 10x faster then a few years ago but our screens are actually getting worse i.e. 150:1 contrast ratio, abysmal viewing angles etc. So has anyone heard of any 14" 1366x768 laptop with a decent ~500:1 contrast ratio and better then average viewing angles?
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Had a quick question about the laptop. Is there any way to disable/control the Turbo Boost technology? I'm playing games that ran fine on a 1.3GHz Core2Duo and the processor is still overclocking. I'm wondering if disabling it could improve my battery life with these games.
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I thought it was fairly good at recognizing when turbo boost was a good idea... But i think you might have to switch it on and off in the bios. Off the top of my head, haven't played with it much on this machine, so maybe someone else will weigh in.
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I asked about either raising the resolution with a different LVDS dual channel cable, and/or getting a better quality display that would be a close fit into our bezel, and provided the X460DX's current specs. I'll follow up as soon as I hear back. I wouldn't mind hearing of anyone else's progress either. -
Awesome, thanks a ton wumpus for reaching out about this!
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Two nice displays that are reasonably close in size:
Review Sony Vaio VPC-Z21Q9E/B Subnotebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews
Not quite as much contrast as the one above, but otherwise superior (IMHO):
Review Sony Vaio VPC-Z13Z9E (i7, FHD, Quad-SSD) subnotebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews
I don't know who makes them yet, but I'll check around later.
Either would make me ecstatic: high res, great colour, bright screens, non-glare, very high contrast. The older (lower model of the two above) has great viewing angles, whereas the top one is still tight unfortunately. The older one also runs off a GT330M, which has manually switchable graphics, so might hold promise. But otherwise, either one really kicks butt. -
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Anybody have a good laptop carrying case/bag for this? Something that looks relatively professional and is under $50 or so? I am concerned with the fragility of the laptop. I'd prefer something available from Amazon or Wal-Mart (giftcard).
I also have had two issues with the laptop so far. I carried it in an old laptop bag one day and to my knowledge there was no pressure on it. But when I took it out and opened it, it made an awful noise and I saw the bottom hinges of the screen frame were popped out and catching on the bottom beam that connects to the battery. I was able to pop them back but it looks like some of the glue on the frame is pushed out now. Anybody have an issue like this?
I also have a faint white blemish on the left side of the screen that is only noticeable on light backgrounds. Is this a pixel issue?
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I've had no issues at all with it in a timbuk 2 messenger bag but they unfortunately don't run cheap. Can't actually imagine the experience you're having happening in any bag though. Other than the battery being a little loose if you pull on it, I've experiecned no problems at all with the build. No weird noises, or problem with hinges, etc. Take some pictures if you can, especially of there is anything that is still noticeable, I think that we'd be more helpful if we could see what you're talking about. White blemish doesn't sound like pixel issue, but again pic would verify it or not. Also, what type of bag do you prefer? Standard briefcase, messenger, backpack, etc..Could probably throw a few decent links out.
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I will see if I can take pictures of my issues and post.
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I just found out that this company Bliss Computers is actually close to where I live. I gave them a call and they have a matte AUO panel in stock that should be compatible for only $56. I think I might take a ride out there tomorrow. It still not really better than the panel we have but this glare is killing me.
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Only four bucks more! I was just thinking that it would be guaranteed to work, even if no better than just being non-glare.
CHUNGHWA CLAA140WB01A LAPTOP LCD SCREEN 14.0" WXGA HD LED $59.99
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I bought a Golla laptop briefcase/messenger hybrid for my wife, and it seems well made and very comfortable and roomy, and could pull off a business environement without being too odd, but it does have some funky flourishes on it - depends how traditional you want to go. I got it for $30, but I've seen the same model for something like $70 at major retailers. That bag hasn't been 'stress-tested' yet though, so can't vouch for how well made it really is. -
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now iv began installing the drivers but ran into problems installing the bluetooth driver and the audio driver
the bluetooth drivers starts too install but stops with an error
''there is a problem with this windows installer package.
A program required for this install to complete could not be run.
contact your support personnel or package vendor''
audio driver just wont do anything
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but there is no bluetooth driver on the cd
theres a few others that might be useful
cardreader driver
touchpad driver etc.
intel IRST driver also but not sure what that does?
"Official" x460DX Owners Thread
Discussion in 'MSI' started by mstefanko, Sep 20, 2011.