Thank you for your kind words...you make me grin. It was totally fun working with you @syscrusher
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The build for this laptop confuses me
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Remember, if you ever want to do DPI Scaling on your screen, rather than using the messed up Windows 10 scaling, use this tool to have it do the Windows 7/8 DPI scaling which is better as it applies to ALL apps not only some apps like the Windows 10 DPI scaling does:
Before you run it though, ensure that you set your Windows 10 DPI scaling back to default 100% then do your DPI scaling from within that app otherwise the Windows 10 DPI Scaling will conflict with the size of the scaling performed from within that app:
LOL, quote from Major Geek's Download site:
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Why the numb-nuts at Micro$loth have never fixed this crap, along with everything else they seem to be too happy to have screwed up for us, is a mystery that nobody can solve. I think the answer is simple: They don't give a rat's ass about their customers or their product.Donald@Paladin44 and Spartan@HIDevolution like this. -
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Luckily, the fix is easy, but Windows 10 is not usable without 3rd party tools that's for sure. do a clean insall within 5 mins then spend an hour to fix the OS and remove all spyware, install a start menu + aero glass + fix DPI scalingMr. Fox likes this. -
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I have an advantage here, because so much of my work is command line, Microsoft Office 365 (which AFAICT works fine in Win10 scaled mode), and my 3D tools. 3D tools almost by definition do most of their computations in floating point world space, and only the UI layer in screen space, so as a rule they tend to be fairly DPI-neutral. Also, in the 3D modeling world, the quest has always been to get the maximum screen res, and that was true even on the mainframe CAD systems I used in the 1980s. So the people who make CAD software are accustomed to their users running it on high-DPI screens. When the 8K desktop monitors start being widely available, CAD workstations will start using them. Although on a laptop, even I (the king of 4K advocacy!) must concede 8K is well beyond overkill.
What I might do, once I get the machine, is try out your recommendation in a Windows virtual machine running full screen. I have one of those for my Elder Scrolls modding environment (have to, since my current machine is Mac). With a VM, I can do a "snapshot" of the VM state before I make a change, and revert with absolute certainty if I don't like it.
I'm cautious here even though the DPI Scaling tool itself would be an easy remove -- just don't run it after rebooting! -- but one of my legacy tools has a habit of being unbelievably stupid about remembering bogus window positions, sometimes even thinking its position is way outside the visible screen. Mess with the DPI settings, and you can end up with this tool starting up with invisible main window -- and the fix is a bunch of tedious Registry edits. Ugh!
In Linux, configs are in text files that are easy to snapshot and restore. Windows has that whole Registry thing going on. I understand why Microsoft wanted to discourage users from tinkering with settings, but that strategy also disempowers users from fixing problems easily or from backing up affected portions of their config before a change.
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also, to uninstall the tool, simply revert it back to default DPI Windows 10 Settings from within the app then reboot, then look for its entry in the startup items and delete it using Autoruns (right click on Autoruns64.exe as admin) -
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Anti-Malware question for you folks who are more Windows experts than I am:
What, if anything, do you run as anti-malware tools on Windows?
I have some tightly-restricted Windows virtual machines, never used for email or web surfing, where I just use Microsoft's built-in Windows Defender. If I get infected on one of these, I have VMware snapshots and can simply revert the disk image.
I also have a physical tower system for gaming. Since that does more in the Internet (though still not email or casual surfing, just gaming-focused things and an occasional YouTube video), I bought a copy of Norton 360 for the machine.
My Norton license allows me to install on more than one personal machine (it's "up to 3" or "up to 5", iirc, and at the moment I'm only using 1), so if I want to put it on my new Windows laptop, I can do so at no additional cost.
Norton seems to protect well, but it loves intrusive popups, even when I have put it in "silent" mode. Sometimes Norton falsely thinks the system is "idle" even when it's under heavy load due to a long-running batch program, and Norton decides that is the perfect time to start an automated disk scan.
So I have Microsoft Windows Defender, but I'm not sure if that's comprehensive enough to be safe, and I have Norton 360, which is cloying nannyware.
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I think you've convinced me to give this tool a try when I get my machine; it sounds pretty non-intrusive. Maybe it will eliminate the need for special compatibility settings on those two legacy programs that misbehave so badly. -
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In my experience testing all AVs, it is the only AV with 0 false positives, very low system impact, has a great HTTP scanner to block bad connections / malicious downloads and doesn't mess up one's OS
It also has the best PUP blocker that blocks PUP installations from many freeware
See how low its performance impact is (the lower, the better): http://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php?chart=chart4&year=2016&month=10&sort=1
you can install the demo to try it, it is a 30 day demo with 0 nags to buy a license until you want toPapusan, neohopper and syscrusher like this. -
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2) I have a license for Norton Security collecting dust because:
a) I don't like an AV which shows me features to other stuff that I didn't buy like the online storage backup, if I went for the basic version, that's because it's all I need and I don't need to see buttons not pertaining to my license only to be linked to their site to upgrade if I click on any of those buttons
b) it has a built in maintenance cleanup/defrag tool! I don't want your bloat! leave me alone!
c) It keeps nagging me to install the Chrome toolbar or FF toolbar randomly even I selected don't show again
d) Its identity Safe is a piece of garbage, doesn't properly fill my logins on sites that I've saved before like LastPass does
NOD32 has 0 toolbars, 0 bloatware, 0 nags, 0 anything, it sits there and silently protects you. you don't even need the Internet Security Suite because NOD32 has an HTTP scanner, any bad connection will be blocked and you will be notified about it, let's say a malicious download, it won't even start protecting you from any harm
Also, with NOD32, unlike all other AVs where you either have to login to an online portal and de-register your PC if you wanted to format and reinstall the license, or like Kaspersky which blacklists your license completely after 3 re-installations, NOD32 is flexible, you can install it as many times as you wish on the same PC or as per the license count allows. They have a smart way of checking license abuse by checking the IP from where the updates are being made so you never have to worry
they also have the best support forums amongst any AV which recently have had a forum upgrade to a very not user friendly design where it's hard to see topics or track your own. See: ESET Forum
I don't know if NOD32 auto disables Windows Defender or not as that's the first thing I disable the moment I install Windows.
Disable Windows Defender:
Unless you really want to use a useless anti-virus that is almost as good as nothing (see: AV-TEST ), has annoying definition updates that are delivered through Windows Updates rather than automatically through the app itself like it should, then here is how to disable it.
Firstly, please note that we need to disable its 3 components one by one exiting the settings after each setting change and going back. If you disable all the 3 settings together, Windows may freeze forcing you to do a forced restart or Windows Defender will simply ignore the fact that you just disable it and re-enable itself automatically.
1) Click on the start menu button then click on SETTINGS
2) Click on the Update & Security button
3) Click on Windows Defender from the left pane
4) Disable the components one by one, starting from the bottom (3rd option):
5) Now exit the Update and Security Window and re-enter again then repeat the same steps to disable the 2nd component:
6) Now exit the Update and Security Window and re-enter again then repeat the same steps to disable the 3rd component, after this step, you will notice the Windows Defender app turns the PC Status to RED = ie. Not Protected:
After you do that, do this (you cannot do Step 1-3 though if you have Windows 10 home or single Language as it doesn't have the Group Policy Editor):
1) Press WIN KEY + R to launch the Run Dialogue Box then type gpedit.msc
2) Navigate to Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Defender > then double click on Turn off Windows Defender and enable that rule then press Apply then OK to exit
3) Reboot your system
4) Download Autoruns
5) Extract it to a folder
6) Right click on Autoruns64.exe then launch it as Administrator
7) in the filter on the top left, type defender, then disable these three entries by unchecking them (should you need to enable Windows Defender in the future, you need to reselect them and reboot before trying to re-enable Windows Defender)
If you happen to see other Windows Defender entries as shown in the screenshot below, uncheck everything related to Windows Defender that includes EPP which is the right click menu shell extension and scheduled tasks:
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Virus scanners just increase your risk footprint as some of them are riddled with holes and have deep low level access. When's the last time your virus scanner caught something outside of blocking a URL when browsing?
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It's interesting that AV-TEST gives ESET Smart Security (admittedly, not the same as NOD32) poor marks for performance.
I agree with you about the bloatware comments on Norton, btw. I want it to just STFU and do what I paid for, not annoy me to tell me "there's nothing wrong with your PC right now". Actionable popups only, please!Spartan@HIDevolution likes this. -
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I hate nannyware.Spartan@HIDevolution likes this. -
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If you want fast response to new threats Kaspersky is probably the best bet.
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I was not liking the start of things when they tried the 2666 MHz and it didn't boot at first, I was watching on Skype. I don't have time to deal with this nonesense so I just went with the stock RAM
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ok HIDevolution is creating a teardown video for us as we speak since they are about to install the RAM in the scary part of the laptop
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I think that the clevo's removable keyboard has too much tolerance in build quality and therefore bounces up and down when you type on it. Not really sure but that's one of my theories.
One day I'll try out the P870x's keyboard, hopefully soon.hmscott likes this. -
I would confirm with HID that the motherboard supports running only from those 2 easy access slots - it may require populating the under the keyboard slots first.
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Let me give you an example, the below part is NOT going to be corrected, I'm gonna type normally:
Hi Mr. @Papusan,
Is it true that you live udnder a snow flake and you operate your lqaptops from there? hence why your CPIU temps atre always below 60C no matter what overlcock you do?
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But it'll be a great test of how adaptable my/your fingers are.hmscott likes this. -
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How many times do laptop makers delay people for weeks with no good reason?
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I never said I hate BGA, I certainly don't prefer it and have always had LGA based laptops in the past......
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The build is almost over nowhmscott likes this. -
A catch is that you need to buy a usb c dongle, but that isn't so expensive even for the good ones.Spartan@HIDevolution likes this. -
Edit: Have you the bench numbers from the Aida64 ram test?hmscott likes this. -
BTW @Phoenix when the 2800mhz / 3000mhz showed correctly in BIOS, but hwinfo showed wrong speed, did HID run an AIDA memory test with 2800mhz / 3000mhz installed to see what performance it had, or did they not bother because it showed 2400mhz in hwinfo? -
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Kaspersky has a 3 times activation limit, so if you format / reinstall more than 3 times, say bye bye to your license or good luck waiting on their support to respond to reset the activation count.
Kaspersky is very light now however and pretty decent as well but isn't better than NOD32 and doesn't have a good PUP scanner
As we were speaking I was actually testing the latest Kaspersky Antivirus 2017 and had multiple disconnections on my vpn.ac because of it
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If it is working reliably then it's a matter of ordering the right sku and getting it swapped.Papusan likes this. -
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I was hopeful it was the same in the new CM238 + Kabylake, better at supporting faster memory.
Maybe it's just that MSI needs to update their BIOS, do some tuning or bug fixing - or update it to match Kabylake memory benefits.
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I just told HIDevolution to order the 64GB (4x16GB) CORSAIR Vengeance DDR4 3000MHz Dual Channel Memory since that's what Xotic PC offers.
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Edit: Always listening on old Papusan
MSI notebook order thread: post your orders here
Discussion in 'MSI' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Jan 19, 2017.