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    MSI notebook order thread: post your orders here

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Jan 19, 2017.

  1. Spartan@HIDevolution

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    If there were not some kind of hokey gimmick to entice people to using a crappy OS like Windows 10, even fewer people would allow themselves to be bothered with downgrading to the Windoze OS X cancer OS. First it was DX12, and we see what an utter joke that turned out to be. Now it's the enhanced OS X RS2 game mode for the shiny object crowd. Not saying the enhanced game mode is no good, only that I wouldn't accept the product on that basis. It would need to offer something substantially more important than that, and the RS2 game features would simply be something nice have as an extra side benefit. UWA continues to be crap and if our luck holds out it will end in adject failure. Vulkan is the future of gaming. It's time for DX to be sunset as an obsolete technology. Micro$haft have ruined DX by making it part of their deceptive marketing shenanigans.
    j00 mean Linux? Already considering that as a potential escape route. If you have a single GPU computer, it's even easier to find less to miss about Windoze OS X. The only thing holding me back now is the severe lack of software products needed to support my overclocking/benching addiction. Gaming is not an important aspect in the selection process for me. I've never played games less than I do today. I'm starting to lose the passion I once had for gaming since my interests are limited to a narrow genre that doesn't get as many must-have title releases as it used to.
     
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    @Phoenix taught me a lot about how to permanently disable the worst of the spyware and nannyware in Windoze. You may want to discuss with him.
     
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    My EVOC is booting Windows now, but I view this as my "current" o.s. and not my "preferred" o.s. A few of my content creation tools are still either not available in Linux, or are in very early "pre alpha" state (Unity, for example). But some of my tools (Blender, GIMP, Audacity, and git, for example) are actually Linux-oriented originally, with the Windows and Mac versions being ports. The list of things keeping me in Windows gets shorter every few months, and I'm watching closely. When I feel I can move, I will.

    For work, btw, I pretty much live at the Ubuntu UML bash prompt that Microsoft added to Windows 10 Anniversary Update. It's still immature code, but it's usable and getting better every day.
     
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    For your amusement: My first lightmap bake in Unity on my new EVOC. Fans are manually maxed. Temps are at about 88C, just the top of what I consider safe for high-workload intervals (I wouldn't run that way for hours at a time, but for half an hour or so it's okay).

    Note the CPU usage over the past couple of minutes in this one: All four cores, pegged at 100%.

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    Any reason why you are not dual-booting? There is no reason Linux cannot run next to Windows. Then you could have your cake and eat it
     
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    I know that can work, and I considered it. The main issue was disk allocation. I have only one 2 TB SSD onboard, and can't afford to add another right now. If I had to carve out a fixed allocation for a dual boot partition, I would limit flexibility of my disk usage.

    Dual boot is an option for me in the future, though, when I can afford more disk.
     
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    I can help you repartition your SSD without formatting to leave a partition for Linux
     
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    The issue is that the partition creates a hard division between two sections of the disk. My projects tend to require a lot (hundreds of gig) of temporary space. With one large partition, I can flexibly expand and contract the size of large projects.

    Once things are stable, though, I might carve out a small Linux partition just so I have a native boot sandbox so I can test my Linux tool versions without VMware's overhead.

    A further complication is that I use BitLocker for full-disk encryption, a necessity with the corporate data I have on my machine. Otherwise, Linux could easily treat the Windows NTFS partition as a data disk, and I would have fewer constraints.
     
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    BTW, I assume you're referring to resizing the NTFS partition using Windows tooling, right? Not the Linux way that I know how? If so, do you happen to know if Windows is able to resize an encrypted partition? Linux can resize standard NTFS, but I don't think Linux tools can deal with Windows encryption.
     
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    1) We will use MiniTool Partition Wizard Free (available in the Phoenix Software Updates )

    2) We will shrink your current volume to have unpartitioned space at the end of the disk, let's say leave 60GB unpartitioned

    3) we will format that unpartitioned space in the Linux file system

    4) you can then install Linux on that partition
     
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    @syscrusher will this work for you?
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    @syscrusher - don't be a cheapskate, bro. Buy a low cost ~256GB M.2 or 2.5" SSD for Linux and problem solved. Maybe a birthday present from a group of friends or family if $100 is too much for the piggy bank. Maybe just because they love you so much if your birthday isn't for a while.

    And, there are less expensive options than these... doesn't need to be the fastest SSD to get 'er done. Anything that works will work.

    M.2 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147398 - 850 EVO $97.99
    2,5" https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820147372 - 850 EVO $99.99
     
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    @syscrusher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [​IMG]
     
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    With that much moolah, @syscrusher would be able to buy a bunch of these. Whenever I get fed up with the Windows 10 cancer OS, I can just pop that one out and slap this one in. Grab the tape handles on my keyboard (I just love those magnets, LOL) lift it out, zip one screw off/on and -BOOM- I am Linux-read in one minute. If I had a KM1 then I would just leave it in the third M.2 slot and press F7 to select it from the boot menu.
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    Could be... :D A problem :p
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    Donald at HIDevolution.com was very helpful in the ordering process!! Hopefully everything else involved in this order will go as smoothly...
     
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    Awesome laptop man!! congrats!
     
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    sorry for the OT post but I just got news that the next Intel CPU is going to be called Coffee Lake :rolleyes:


    Next CPU will probably be Smurf Lake :rolleyes:

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    Haha love the moth..
     
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    i have this same unit on way via MSI Trade Up, looking forward to it, gonna slap in a pair of nvme SSD and pull the HDD and replace in time with ssd

    Congrats post back once received
     
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    Thanks!!
     
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    It might. I'm going to do some research into my situation. I'm very appreciative of the offers of help, but this is now my production machine for work, so you guys will have to understand that I'm going to move ahead very cautiously with anything that has even a TINY possibility of breaking my Windows boot record. It took me probably 60 hours of work -- an exhausting week -- to get my system all configured and my data moved. Yes, I'm backing up my data, but I don't have media to make an image backup of the boot disk yet. (Working on that...)

    I understand Linux pretty deeply, as I've been a sysadmin since about 1998, but I'm realy, really new to Windows. I don't understand Windows' boot processes, and how it manages its partitions and such, and I'm loath to start pushing around bits that I don't understand.

    When @Phoenix was teaching me about OC, he very wisely instructed me to avoid certain BIOS settings unless I was extremely confident I understood them deeply. That's the approach I'm taking for the boot record on my Windows installation. I'm learning about it as rapidly as I can, but I need to understand it better before I start trying to change it. Yes, I've got lots of help here on the forum (THANKS!), but as fellow enthusiasts I know you will all understand that it's important to me that I learn to be self-sufficient as well.

    All that said, I'm seriously considering the idea of stuffing a separate SATA SSD into my machine -- I already have a small one here that I could use -- and installing Linux on that. What I would do is just rely on the BIOS boot menu to select Linux, and not let Linux put GRUB on the master boot record. Among other things, this would give me an excuse to open the bottom cover on my system and have a look inside. :)
     
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    That's OK. Neither does Micro$loth. They don't understand anything about end users either, except that most are either gullible or stupid, or both.

    Oh yeah... much better approach. Tweaking partitions for a multi-boot environment is always risky, even for those of us with lots of experience with it. It's better to eliminate the possibility of errors by using discrete drives for each OS. It is also more stable in the long run. Something getting messed up on one OS doesn't affect the other OS in any way. Disable the ports on the other drive(s) in the BIOS, or physically remove the other drives, so that the new OS (Linux or Windows) you are installing cannot see any drives except for the one you are installing to.
     
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    I'm no fanboy of Micros~1, but I do give them some props for being "good citizens" with Linux and integrating a UML bash prompt. They're actually playing by the rules of open source with that, open to community feedback and posting the code on github. Plenty of evil things to complain about, but at least an occasional glimpse of the Light Side of the Force. I think their new CEO is more open to coexistence with other operating systems than Ballmer was.

    On Linux, this is not necessary. In /etc/fstab, you just add the "ro" option to the NTFS mount point, and Linux treats it as read-only and won't allow even the root user to write to it. (This is for non-encrypted NTFS. I think my encrypted NTFS is going to be non-accessible to Linux, period.) The root user on Linux can still write to to the device special file /dev/sda, /dev/sda1, ..., but only an idiot would do that.
     
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    Some further testing yesterday, for tuning OC and UV while running command-line video transcoding with ffmpeg as well as some lightmap bakes in Unity.

    It seems -75 mV is very stable for me. -80 mV is, paradoxically, stable under load but eventually causes a watchdog reset when the machine is idle. Odd, but observed with pretty good repeatability across multiple tests.

    So, OC wizards, is there any other setting I should examine which might allow me to lower my temps a bit without changing the clock speed?

    I'm still really happy with my OC levels (courtesy @Phoenix, if I recall) on my 1080 GPU. I'm at +160 MHz core clock and +300 MHz memory clock; this has run for about a week with zero crashes in my Unity apps or in several games.

    EDIT: Since it's been a while, here's an updated FireStrike (default settings). Temp on CPU package maxed at 80C, temp on GPU maxed at 72C. Fans were overridden to max.
    FireStrike-20170328-XTUtune11.PNG
     
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    What core clocks have you settled on with your 7700K? What are your temps like?
     
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    You would be better off using static voltage. For example, at 47x4 I use static voltage of 1.150V for the 7700K in the 16L/TF5. On the P870 1.125V is stable. Use ThrottleStop and set the cache voltage lower, like 1.030V or 1.050V with 42x on cache. That is more stable for me than using adaptive. Adaptive is more prone to the watchdog timer issues like you have experienced.
     
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    I wouldn't run anything over 150 MHz on GPU core without being able to increase the voltage which we can't so far for the GTX 10XX series.

    Lower your GPU Core to 150 MHz core or even 140 MHz core

    j00 want stability or higher benchmark numbers? I believe, the former has more priority for you
     
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    Since I've had good stability at 160, I did take your advice and reduced it, but I went for 150 instead of 140. :)
     
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    I'm running 4.8x1, 4.7x2, 4.6x3, and 4.5x4. I was able to push the clocks a little higher but didn't like the temps when I did so. These settings still get a little hot (90C) if I let the fans run auto-speed, but forcing the fans to max pulls the temps down by about 8C for me. I'm comfortable with just remembering to activate the fan button when I'm about to do something CPU-intensive. I push my machine hard, but predicatably so (such as during lightmap bakes), and the duration is measured in minutes or a couple of hours.

    My mental comfort zone for CPU temps is "low 80s C for long runs, high 80s C for a few minutes". My GPU hasn't been an issue so far, staying down around 72 to 75 C even for fairly intense load. That may change in the future, as my 3D tooling is moving (over the long term) toward more load on the GPU and less on the CPU -- so I'll pay attention to these temps with each new Unity version.
     
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    Try 46x4 or 47x4 @ 1.150V and cache set at 42x with 1.050V (static for both) and I bet your temps will improve, along with performance. Unless you are doing a lot of single-threaded work, setting single core and two core operations at a higher clock can also decrease stability. You need more voltage for the higher clocked cores and that increases CPU package temps. Setting them all cores to the same clock improves stability and should allow you to use a lower static voltage.
     
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    This makes perfect sense to me, and I should have realized it before. My crashes at low load are explained by this. Very little running, so my settings were putting the CPU clock at 4.8 GHz and -80 mV, triggering the crash. All my benchmarking and my real-world apps are multicore, so the clocks were at 4.5 or 4.6 GHz and things were stable.

    I'm trying your suggestion now, although I can't do that cache voltage. When I tried that, the system instantly crashed (light load, and low CPU clock).

    Even with the core and cache voltages both at 1.150V, however, you were right about the temperatures. I'm pushing 47x4 right now, running a CPU stress test that's loading all cores at a continuous 100%, and my temps never get above 82C even after a 5 minute run. The average during the run was about 79C. I'll keep running this for a while to see how it goes.
     
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    Mr. F0x is teh 0v3rcl0ck!ng d0c+0r :eek:
     
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    Awesome. Glad to help. You should be able to set cache voltage lower with ThrottleStop. Let me grab you a screen shot from ThrottleStop on my Tornado F5 since that is what you have with EVOC branding. Be right back.

    Edit: OK, Brother @syscrusher - here you go, man. :vbthumbsup:



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    Can anyone confirm if the GT73VR will fit in the Everki Comcept backpack? My quick guess is the Titan model (only) for the MSI??
     
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    @Phoenix may be able to answer.
     
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    Thanks! The problem wasn't "I am unable to set the voltage", but rather, "when I set the value you suggested, my machine crashed." :)

    I've got things at 46x4 right now, core and cache voltages static at 1.150V. I ran some lightmap bakes and a stress test, and everything is rock solid. I had it at 47x4, equally stable but my CPU temp peaked at 91C doing those lightmap bakes. I decided to back off by 100 MHz to cool it down, and now it's at about 88C peak.
     
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    This is the one I got and it fits perfectly, got it from HIDevolution:



    It is very durable, the handles are sturdy despite the heavy weight of the laptop with the charger, it doesn't feel like the handles are going to break if you hold it from only one of them. I have walked in light rain as well while having the backpack on and the laptop wasn't wet so that's another plus point.

    Speaking of storage, you can store your entire room in there (not literally) but you have so many pockets / sections it's super roomy and convenient.

    PS: It costs an arm and a leg but hey, it's the best out there and this beast deserves nothing but the best.
     
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    Use Macrium Reflect for backups. I have my entire drive incrementally imaged at 9PM every weeknight to my NAS. I probably do a new full every other month or so. I have it limited to 10 incremental, it auto merges them. Restore basically restores the entire drive, all partitions (blade has 5 of them for various OEM install reasons). I created a USB flash PE disk with macrium on it (the software does it for you) to restore with in the case my drive dies. I've tested restore onto a blank SSD probably once a year (2-3 times so far I think since I've been using Macrium) just to make sure my solution is working, always flawless.
     
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    Thanks for the recommendation; I'll check it out.
     
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    I'm expecting delivery on Friday, I downloaded all the update files from @Phoenix thread. Any other setup tips and tricks like disabling all the Windows 10 monitoring before I start bugging everybody?
     
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    For anyone who's curious, the Everki Glide works really well with the 15.6" EVOC 16L-G-1080 (16L13 MSI) systems. The Glide is sized for "up to" 17.3", but I find the main sleeve fits my machine without excessive oversizing. The second internal sleeve is perfect for my USB-powered portable LCD monitor. The 330W power brick and its cord fit nicely into the main pouch (but outside the sleeves), and the secondary pouch is available for accessories. One thing I really like is that the secondary pouch has an internal pocket sized perfectly for a portable hard drive. My only (minor) complaint is that I'd like to have just one more exterior zippered pocket, but that's a tiny nit.

    IMG_20170314_161014.jpg

    As you can see from the photo, the area above the laptop is enough to be comfortable, but not enough to make the bag too oversized. A 17.3" would fit into this bag if it was fairly thin, but I think if I had a powerhouse rather than a thin machine, I'd follow @Phoenix and get the larger bag. I share his enthusiasm for the Everki bags' quality, though. This was my first purchase of an Everki, and I'm extremely happy with its durability and construction. The Glide was about US$80 at MicroCenter.
     
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    This is the MSI forum. Make your new order thread here like everyone else

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/forums/reseller-feedback-forum.1095/
     
  46. Huniken

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    I need a similar bag for my EVOC 16L-G-1080. Right now I'm using the Alienware Orion which was for The Alienware M18R2.
     
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    you can order it from HIDevolution since you live in Oman. that's what I did
     
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    This is the time when I had to upgrade my rig and replace the old aging MSI GS70 Stealth Pro which I bought from HIDevolution.com back in 2014 with help from @Ted@HIDevolution back then. Because of my positive experience up to recently dealing with a dead battery I got in touch with @Ted@HIDevolution by end of 2016 and got my new replacment battery on time from HIDevolution.com. Services provided by HIDevolution are exceptionally well.

    My aim was to get a high end high tech laptop with all the things that will tick the check boxes for my desires & needs for my dream machine. I did scout the internet for possible units until I laid my eyes on this beast, the EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" laptop that uses a barebones MSI chassis which is the 16L.

    This laptop got everything I need in a smaller footprint than my previous MSI laptop that stood as 17" big, space is precious for me and each inch shaved off is a good thing, that and this machine packs more performance than I have ever had in a laptop previously in my entire life time. What cemented my purchase even more is the videos done by @Mr. Fox and this community it self.

    I placed the order for my machine on 06th February 2017 after some heavy correspondence with @Ted@HIDevolution about the machine and stock availability including it's upgrade path in the future as well the custom Prema Bios. @Ted@HIDevolution made it clear to me that they are restocking on this machine and it should be in by end of February and start of March 2017. I wired the payment for this little monster by end of February (27th) and the waiting game has started with excitement and a little bit of an adrenaline rush sometimes when I think about it.

    Mar 2, 2017: A member of our build staff has examined your order, and printed your work order. The base system and upgrade components, if applicable, will be picked from inventory in preparation for the custom build or quality check.

    Mar 2, 2017: For Honor or Ghost Recon Wildlands Bundle free with Nvidia laptop. - @Ted@HIDevolution

    Mar 10, 2017: In Production - A dedicated build technician has begun working on your system. The finish line is near! Once the build is complete, the technician will benchmark, burn-in, test your system for faults, and make necessary adjustments. The build supervisor will sign off on the work order when your system passes all tests.

    Mar 17, 2017: Fedex Shipping Tracking Number was provided
    Mar 18, 2017: Laptop was shipped
    Mar 22, 2017 12:36PM: Laptop arrived well packaged and intact, nothing broken or missing.

    Specs as ordered:
    LCD Panel15.6" 4K UHD (3840x2160) Samsung PLS (LTN156FL02-101) Matte Type Display - with nVIDIA® G-SYNC™ Technology
    Display Warranty None - up to 3 lit pixels considered OK
    Video Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 w/ 8GB GDDR5 X w/ G-Sync Technology
    Prema Custom BIOS: Prema Custom BIOS - Latest Updated Version once available
    Processor: HIDevolution Delidded - Unlocked, Under Volted and Overclocked 7th Generation Intel Core i7-7700K Quad Core Processor, 4.2 GHz (HIDevolution Overclocked to 4.7GHz) - GUARANTEED Performance (Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra included)
    Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra + IC Diamond for Delidded CPU: Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra 100% Metal Thermal Interface + IC Diamond on CPU, IC Diamond on GPU
    Memory: 16GB (2 x 8GB) Dual Channel DDR4/2400MHz
    M.2 SSD Slot 1 (supports M.2 PCIe and SATA): Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe 3D-VNAND SSD - Up to 3,200 MB/s Read-1,900 MB/s Write
    M.2 PCIe NVMe or SATA SSD Slot 2: None
    2.5" HDD/SSD Bay: Empty HDD bay (with caddy/adapter)
    Wireless Cards: Intel® Wireless-AC 8265 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n 2x2 NGFF w/ Bluetooth 4.2
    Operating System: Genuine Windows® 10 Home, 64bit, English
    Power Adapter: 330W AC Power Adapter (supports 100-240V)
    Battery Options: 1 x 8 cell battery - 75.24Wh
    Audio: Dynaudio Tech Speakers Speakers x 2
    Back-lit Gaming Keyboard: Full-color Backlit Programmable Gaming Keyboard (US English)
    Branding: EVOC Logo on LCD Cover and Bezel
    Warranty and Service: 1 Year HIDevolution Limited U.S. Warranty + LIFETIME HIDevolution Technical Support

    Out of the box surprise:
    I got Windows 10 PRO instead of Windows 10 Home edition, thanks to @Ted@HIDevolution for this awesome gift.

    Upon checking the BIOS (later on after turning on the laptop), I observed that I have 32GB of RAM instead of 16GB that I ordered, this is rather a VERY awesome gift from HIDevolution.com. Thank you @Donald@HIDevolution, thank you @Ted@HIDevolution & the rest of HIDevolution.com (Nikkie & Vivian) staff, whoever added in the extra ram for me, I shall NEVER forget how awesome are you guys, oh I'm SO coming back to buy another laptop from you in the near feature, this gesture tells a lot about their customer service. My experience buying from HIDevolution.com is 10/10.

    First impressions of the laptop out of the box: It is light-weight, the 330watt PSU is even heavier lol, this laptop hides a big monstrous processing power not reflected by it's humble blank looks and the black theme of it's exterior....until it's lit with the RGB keyboard then it announces it self as a gaming laptop, keep the RGB off and it's your run of the mill daily office usage laptop =D The Evoc logo is on the back side of the lid and on the front side of the lid. nothing else screams like stickers that says VR ready and the shabang just black plain laptop with a small white sticker on the underside of the chassis that says MSI 16L- 2017/01.

    Turning on the laptop with power plugged in.
    So in the moment of truth, I faced this dilemma which is explained here by brother @Phoenix
    Well I thought I DID fix my problem but I didn't entirely. @Phoenix is to the rescue over what's up then Team Viewer. He joined me via Team Viewer on 10:00 PM and we stayed up all night setting up this beast until 04:30 AM in the morning, talking, drinking and fixing it up...my first experience which feels like tuning a race car for a drag race strip, turned out we both love cars so we kept talking lol.

    A big shout to brother @Phoenix for fixing up my clusterfuck of an install for windows that I foolishly did in a hurry from an OEM stick from my other MSI laptop.......windows activated on that messed up install then deactivated it self, still brother @Phoenix was there yet again to fix up my mess, this time I didn't touch anything, he hooked me up with Team Viewer and then his master mind started to do the magic. First found out my windows install was the root problem of everything as I deleted the windows pro install due to that OOBE issue which I regret doing it in a hurry and not waiting for help from @Phoenix when I just pulled out my laptop out of the box that arrived from HIDevolution.com......don't blame me for wanting to have a taste of that fresh pie out of the oven.

    @Phoenix noted my issue so he arranged a new windows flashdisk install and re-installed windows Pro which worked as intended with the Windows 10 Pro key, to note this, my original order had a Win 10 HOME edition but thanks to @Ted@HIDevolution he surprised me with a free upgrade to Windows 10 Pro!!

    Got windows 10 Pro installed and I followed the instructions by brother @Phoenix to disable the windows update, setting up team viewer and hooking up to Wi-Fi as a final step, I let him know over what's up that it is online and ready to go, he got in and started talking to me over T-V and setting up everything to the way I want it. He did spend all of his time helping me out for FREE, yes that's right, for free, I want to pay him because I feel bad that he had used up his time on me instead of attending to his personal business, brother @Phoenix is a very humble man, I even suggested to him that he should open an online business in Dubai that can cater to customers.

    In the end of the settings @Phoenix made a backup copy of the system after setting it up the way I want incase in the future I need to reset windows using macrium reflect.

    So after a few days of this, I'm now submitting my usage experience out of the EVOC 16L-G-1080.

    Usage experience:
    The laptop boots really fast, less than 10 seconds and I'm in.
    The 4K screen is really crisp and beautiful, the games run smoothly with G-Sync using the powerful GTX 1080.
    The temps on the CPU and GPU are very good, but when gaming I highly suggest having the fans blow out in full power as some of the CPU cores spike to 95C but only for a very short time, I'm using HWiNFO64 and it showed the average of the CPU around 77C and not 95C, the GPU hit a max of 88C but the average was 76C so I think the cooling system is good overall. The fans are very quite but when the turbo fan kicks in, that's a jet fighter right there, it's not extremely loud though, still bearable so it's ok.

    The BIOS are the stock bios right now and I'm waiting for the promised Prema bios, I hope that @Prema can give out estimates on when I can see his excellent work available on my machine, of course through HIDevolution remote reflash. Right now the CPU is running on stock turbo boost of 4.5Ghz, I would love to take it up to 4.8 or 5.0.

    The GPU seems to be locked on it's power limit and voltage, I wonder if vBios can be updated to unlock it or is it just BIOS related and could be unlocked by custom Bios like the SVET/Prema ones? I used MSI afterburner to overclock it to a stable speed that helped letting it reach 2035Mhz while gaming.

    Typing my feedback, this one in particular from this 16L-G-1080 EVOC is rather pleasant, the touchpad/mousepad is working very well for me, no complaining here, the keyboard has a better feel than my MSI GS70 stealth pro, just excellent, not stiff by any means and it registers the key strokes rather well. It could be used for gaming but I don't recommend it, I use an external keyboard for gaming which is much better overall.

    The sound from the speakers is high quality and loud enough to wake up someone from the next room, really good gaming experience as well for Music & movies.

    The Microphone seems to be of good quality as well as brother @Phoenix was hearing me loud & clear over Team Viewer.

    The EVO 960 1TB SSD is big enough to have accomodate so many triple AAA large game titles such as which I have installed, The Witcher 3, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Battlefield 4, Battlefield 1, Mass Effect Andromeda, Star Citizen, Nier Automata, Street Fighter V, Deux Ex Mankind Devided, Skyrim Special Edition, Cryssis 3 & Assasin's Creed Syndicate which still left me with 250GB out of 700GB on D drive, C drive is 200GB with a free space of 161GB.

    Next storage upgrade will be a 2.5" SSD of either 1 or 2 TB and in the future will be another NVMe SSD in slot #2.

    Overall rating of this system is 9/10.

    1 left out because no custom Bios are installed, it needs to unleash the beast within =D

    Thank you for reading & your time, keep overclocking, benchmarking, rinse & repeat until you hit that wall, then wait for for the next HIDden-Evolution!

    Thanks a ton to @Phoenix , @Ted@HIDevolution , @Donald@HIDevolution , @Mr. Fox & the rest of this awesome community.

    -Huniken
     
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    I will check with them soon.
     
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    Thanks for the write up. I am impatiently waiting for delivery on my mini monster.
     
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