Well, I like that IPS screen, same on the GT80, OC's to 100hz for 100 FPS gaming, which is "enough" for newest high GPU usage games at Ultra.
The internal laptop displays aren't up to the best external displays, so to really stretch the 1080 SLI hook up a nice high hz 1440p external screen with better color coverage and fast IPS / IPS-like features, or even *GASP* a 4k or higher resolution display![]()
There aren't a lot of 18.4" screen choices, exactly 2 I have found, with the 2nd being an Asus only 4k G-sync screen.
Maybe someone will come out with a new "standard" that will spark interest - maybe like that 21" curved display, something that a bunch of display makers will offer.
Until then, an external screen is the way to go.
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also, another concern of mine is the mechaical keyboard, you know I have 9 persian cats and I remember when I had a mechanical keyboard in my previous Origin PC Millennium Desktop, fur and dust get stuck there very easily so I'm thinking the GT73VR might suit me needs / working environment better stillhmscott likes this. -
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But it's harder to clean the inside of a chiclet keyboard :vCaerCadarn, TomJGX, Spartan@HIDevolution and 1 other person like this. -
I think any open key keyboard will need the occasional blow out, canned air, I buy it by the case.
I keep the original cloth protective cover on my keyboard most of the time to keep out dust and kitty leavings.
I use external keyboards - wired and wireless - so I don't really use my mechanical keyboard often.
It's nice having everything internal, but laptop display's aren't up to the best desktop model standards, lagging behind a couple of years is going to be annoying as the GPU's keep ramping up.
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Welcome to the MSI side, Phoenix!
The GT73 is a fantastic machine and has been a very positive experience from the get go. I imagine the new kaby enabled machines should come with latest or current updates etc, so it should be less of a hassle (mine had to do several windows and various updates).
Overclocking is very simple here, if you want to use the built in tools. Dragon Center interfaces directly to the BIOS so gotta be careful about stability etc there. Included sliders allow, I believe up to 42x CPU multipliers and I forget how much for GPU but it was plenty (way over +200mhz for core and memory, maybe up to +500?)
Anyways, as you know, just because the sliders are there, does not mean it is stable. I think most have been able to attain 40x relatively easy, even sometimes with undervolt. The trickier part becomes the higher multi. The voltage requirements for stability become ridiculous, and then ludicrous. For example, I can do 40x at -25mv, but for 4.4Ghz, I need close to +200mv. It also consumes considerably more power. Like 100w power being drawn for the CPU at 90 celsious. Vs 70w and 60-70 celsious.
As a note: There is a very low limit for current on the CPU, when using AUTO. at such, even 40x multi, you will hit the current ceiling quickly I found, often dropping to 3.8 or less ghz depending on the load, all the way to 3.2 or so when running torture stuff like prime95. I personally use 200A current limit, and 41x multi myself, as a balance of temp and power because any higher is just.. not worth it
GPU wise I think my stability has been around +200 core, and I haven't found my memory limit.
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1) I don't and never will use XTU, I hate that app
2) I am happy with a 4.0 or 4,.1 GHz overlcock on all cores if that keeps the temps at good levels
3) I've seen in a video review the BIOS options and it has power limits set to 200 by default, no on the Clevo laptop that I have I max out the power limits at 160000 and the current limit @ 2400 but I know there are different laptops so what do you set your power limits /IA Current limits or VR current limits too? I'd appreciate screenshots of your various BIOS options to get me started
4) You overclocking of the GPU is awesome as I can only get +150 mhz on the GPU core,k anything higher would cause crashes in Fire Strike and that's on a Clevo P870DM3 with a vapor chamber heatsink so those are very promising results
5) does this laptop support dual power adapters like the Clevos or it won't make a difference?
6) I hope you will enjoy my video review once I get it and I'm happy to be part of the MSI Gaming team now and best of all, the reason behind all this switch, to enjoy the SteelSeries Keyboardhmscott likes this. -
The 47xxHQ had +200MHz allowance.
The 48xxHQ and 6820HQ had +400MHz allowance. The 7820HQ presumably does as well.
The 49xxHQ and 6920HQ had +600MHz allowance. The 7920HQ does as well.
I don't know what Broadwell allowed. They were so rare I never got much data from them, and to be 100% honest, I frankly don't care about them. Terrible CPU line, should never have been released. Only thing I know is that MSI 5700HQ models had a BSOD error in DoTA 2 that needed a BIOS update to fix, and most sold models did not contain that update by default.
Note that the OC bin allowance was based off the max boost of each core's load. So, 7920HQ boosts to 3.7GHz on 4 cores, and 4.1GHz on 1 core, I think. This means it can hit 4.3GHz on 4 cores and 4.7GHz on 1 core with OCing. It's sufficient enough a limit I'd say for gamers, especially paired with good RAM, but it still annoys me that this near-$600 USD chip can't even OC to match a stock 7700K which costs less, and is soldered.
Also, if you want my take on OCing the 7820HK (and by extension 7920HQ) here it is:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussion-thread.794965/page-367#post-10438708
Though, if any notebook could do the OCing well, it'd be a Svet-modded MSI GT73VR.
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The problem is people would vsync their games to 60Hz and then OC and say it held. I asked them to unlock their FPS and it broke. But you don't hear that being reported =DPapusan likes this. -
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5. I believe it does, just splurge a bit more on the Clevo AC200 and additional 330w from HID. The SLi version (same mb, has additional mxm slot) uses 2x240w
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So, question, @Phoenix... why this, and what happened to your DM3? O_O
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The 4980HQ is Crystal Well which came after Haswell. As far as I know, the Power Cut feature is only for Haswell so I do not think it will work on a 4980HQ. Intel fixed the Haswell bug that ThrottleStop exploits.Mr. Fox, Papusan, D2 Ultima and 1 other person like this. -
@Phoenix - My bro, what happened man? At least you could have joined me with the MSI 16L13. It's beautiful over here. http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11469168
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Also the 1080 in the 16L13 is gimped to 150w.Spartan@HIDevolution and hmscott like this. -
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As far as the GPU being gimped, Pascal in general is gimped with a cancer vBIOS that throttles starting around 45°C, which is totally ludicrous. The 150W 1080 in the Tornado F5 will probably outperform the higher TDP 1080 once we get the vBIOS crippling corrected. If nobody mods the vBIOS for the 180W MSI GPU it will likely get left behind in terms of performance. Should be able to pull around 200W from the 150W 1080 without a problem. I am pulling 200W from my 980M in El Cazador. I'm hoping a @Prema vBIOS for my Clevo 1080 SLI will allow me to pull about 275W from each GPU and move the throttling trigger to 85°C instead of NVIDIA silly 45°C reference design.Last edited: Jan 20, 2017 -
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Pascal is VERY sensitive to any kind of heat increase, so at higher temperature you will have less overclock stability. This problem started with Maxwell and is exacerbated with Pascal. Kepler was the last generation of GPU to be temperature agnostic and only respond to voltage.
Also to note, if you don't have sub 30c temps, overvolting pascal (or setting a higher voltage overall) won't net you much benefit in terms of OC while exponentially increasing power draw.
Keep in mind that you have 2CORE+1VRM heatsink array backed with redesigned fanblades in the GT73VR while the CPU remains an independent cooling solution. The 16L3 has a shared heatpipe with only one array of heatsink per component with old style of MSi fan and it contributes much less robust cooling system overall.
Also am doubting the CPU cooling with such long heatpipes.
Also to note, 3 usb port only on the 16L13, for reference the GT72 series has 6 and the GT62 has 1 extra.
it's a great 15.6" inch no doubt, but I don't think getting a faster CPU is worth putting up for the massive downsides when you compare it to the GT73.
Fortunately you can still short the resistor below the GT73VR video card's power jack, this will eliminate TDP throttling.
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I think it is a matter of individual priorities, personally. BGA will never be an acceptable option for me. Having more USB ports won't fix that problem and having fewer won't diminish the value of the better CPU... at least for me, the sacrifice is too huge to be regarded as viable. I never use more than two USB ports, and mostly use one (one for my wireless mouse dongle 24/7 and one for my Corsair keyboard whenever I use it). If I used more I think I would opt for a hub to reduce the number of things connected to my laptops. I hate wires, and eliminating them is something I strive for.Prema, Papusan, Rage Set and 1 other person like this. -
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I'm going to push it as far as it will go on the stock BIOS first to set a baseline for comparison after the cure for lameness has been flashed.
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Someone has gone full Yolo this time.. Phoenix, you spent $5k on SSDs? LOL... I though I convinced you not to waste that much money last time
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Could be sooner than you think/thought
I still live in the faith my good friend
+ rep in advance(I know you soon will go back to Socket hardware)
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http://hwbot.org/submission/3357625_papusan_wprime___1024m_core_i7_6700k_2min_11sec_918ms
Or even 7700K@+5.0GHzWith better Performance
You will find scores from Kaby LGA in the OC thread.
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But the keyboard will most certainly be a worthwhile improvement that Phoenix will feel everyday.
It's not a very big tradeoff imo, you lose a bit of CPU performance for much better usability...CaerCadarn, Spartan@HIDevolution and hmscott like this. -
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People may not get my frustration with the keyboard but every sentence I type, I just feel like bashing the keyboard into little pieces
Damn Clevo and their stupid 15 inch keyboard design that they put on a 17 inch laptop with so much wasted space left on both sides. Really, how hard is it to put a proper full sized 17 inch keyboard! they use the same keyboard on ALL their gaming laptopssyscrusher and hmscott like this. -
Edit: to note, I bought svet's mod for the GT72S 6820HK/980M due to a repaste client's request. When I explore the bios option it's 99% of what you get in a Clevo DMx series when comparing it to the 6700K OC tutorial by @Phoenix - So the bios is somewhat unlocked from factory but is able to be expanded, similar story to Clevo bios.
But you don't get the EC issues that come with Clevo lol.Last edited: Jan 21, 2017TomJGX, hmscott and Spartan@HIDevolution like this. -
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Why do I see the Audio Drive / Nahimic listed once under drivers and once in the Utilities?
The versions are the same but the one in utilities says: A-Volute Nahimic with Audio Driver
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Webguy: Hey, where do I put the download for the Nahimic stuff, Driver or Utility?
Manager: Engineer is off for the week, use your initiative, figure it out.
Utility... what if I am wrong and it's Driver? Or, I put it in Driver and it's supposed to be Utility. The package has an app interface and a driver, in fact 2 drivers...but it's got an app too...
Hey, I'll put it in *Both* !!
*Both* is right <==> *Both* is wrong => *Both* are found! Win !!
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Its actually. Uninstall Nahimic, reboot, uninstall Realtek, Reboot, Install new Realtek, reboot, Install new Nahmic, Reboot.syscrusher and Spartan@HIDevolution like this. -
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ABMD, I played with the Nahimic software early on when MSI first switch from Creative SW, and Nahimic seemed to do nothing I could hear when playing with the sliders so I tried running on just RT.
Nahimic improved over further releases and seems essential now.
But, give it a try now if you want on the new hardware and let us know what you find.
You may need to find a version of Realtek from RT directly... to get the control app... don't recall if the MSI one had it included. I think the MSI RT package had it, it just "disappears when Nahimic is installed...been a whileSpartan@HIDevolution likes this. -
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