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Well, I like that IPS screen, same on the GT80, OC's to 100hz for 100 FPS gaming, which is "enough" for newest high GPU usage games at Ultra.

The internal laptop displays aren't up to the best external displays, so to really stretch the 1080 SLI hook up a nice high hz 1440p external screen with better color coverage and fast IPS / IPS-like features, or even *GASP* a 4k or higher resolution display

There aren't a lot of 18.4" screen choices, exactly 2 I have found, with the 2nd being an Asus only 4k G-sync screen.

Maybe someone will come out with a new "standard" that will spark interest - maybe like that 21" curved display, something that a bunch of display makers will offer.

Until then, an external screen is the way to go.

 

nothing external for me bro, I want it all in one package.

also, another concern of mine is the mechaical keyboard, you know I have 9 persian cats and I remember when I had a mechanical keyboard in my previous Origin PC Millennium Desktop, fur and dust get stuck there very easily so I'm thinking the GT73VR might suit me needs / working environment better still

 

Maybe next refresh they'll add an IR switch, like the one I have on my keyboard lol.


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Yeah it's one of the downside of the GT8x, however given that the prices of competition and the multitude of keyboard/EC/software problems that Clevo DM3/KM1 have, I think the screen is a small tradeoff.

Sadly the 18.4 market is a very small niche... I don't think it's going to happen.

But it's harder to clean the inside of a chiclet keyboard :v

 

Awww, cute Kitty Cat's, what damage could they do?

I think any open key keyboard will need the occasional blow out, canned air, I buy it by the case.

I keep the original cloth protective cover on my keyboard most of the time to keep out dust and kitty leavings.

I use external keyboards - wired and wireless - so I don't really use my mechanical keyboard often.

It's nice having everything internal, but laptop display's aren't up to the best desktop model standards, lagging behind a couple of years is going to be annoying as the GPU's keep ramping up.

Volta is going to make the gap even more evident between laptop and desktop displays.

 

Welcome to the MSI side, Phoenix!

The GT73 is a fantastic machine and has been a very positive experience from the get go. I imagine the new kaby enabled machines should come with latest or current updates etc, so it should be less of a hassle (mine had to do several windows and various updates).

Overclocking is very simple here, if you want to use the built in tools. Dragon Center interfaces directly to the BIOS so gotta be careful about stability etc there. Included sliders allow, I believe up to 42x CPU multipliers and I forget how much for GPU but it was plenty (way over +200mhz for core and memory, maybe up to +500?)

Anyways, as you know, just because the sliders are there, does not mean it is stable. I think most have been able to attain 40x relatively easy, even sometimes with undervolt. The trickier part becomes the higher multi. The voltage requirements for stability become ridiculous, and then ludicrous. For example, I can do 40x at -25mv, but for 4.4Ghz, I need close to +200mv. It also consumes considerably more power. Like 100w power being drawn for the CPU at 90 celsious. Vs 70w and 60-70 celsious.

As a note: There is a very low limit for current on the CPU, when using AUTO. at such, even 40x multi, you will hit the current ceiling quickly I found, often dropping to 3.8 or less ghz depending on the load, all the way to 3.2 or so when running torture stuff like prime95. I personally use 200A current limit, and 41x multi myself, as a balance of temp and power because any higher is just.. not worth it

GPU wise I think my stability has been around +200 core, and I haven't found my memory limit.

If you choose to overclock with Intel XTU and MSI Afterburner (or other software) be sure to remove/uninstall dragon center, because I found it caused problems as both software try to write values etc into the system. Useful stuff like Fan control, is found externally to dragon center via Silent Option. Not sure if this supports the newer CPUs.

 

Thank you for the warm welcome

1) I don't and never will use XTU, I hate that app

2) I am happy with a 4.0 or 4,.1 GHz overlcock on all cores if that keeps the temps at good levels

3) I've seen in a video review the BIOS options and it has power limits set to 200 by default, no on the Clevo laptop that I have I max out the power limits at 160000 and the current limit @ 2400 but I know there are different laptops so what do you set your power limits /IA Current limits or VR current limits too? I'd appreciate screenshots of your various BIOS options to get me started

4) You overclocking of the GPU is awesome as I can only get +150 mhz on the GPU core,k anything higher would cause crashes in Fire Strike and that's on a Clevo P870DM3 with a vapor chamber heatsink so those are very promising results

5) does this laptop support dual power adapters like the Clevos or it won't make a difference?

6) I hope you will enjoy my video review once I get it and I'm happy to be part of the MSI Gaming team now and best of all, the reason behind all this switch, to enjoy the SteelSeries Keyboard

 

HQ never was locked. The only locked, non-low-power (4702HQ, 4712HQ, etc) HQ chip in existence is the 6700HQ. Maybe the 7700HQ now takes that up too.

The 47xxHQ had +200MHz allowance.
The 48xxHQ and 6820HQ had +400MHz allowance. The 7820HQ presumably does as well.
The 49xxHQ and 6920HQ had +600MHz allowance. The 7920HQ does as well.

I don't know what Broadwell allowed. They were so rare I never got much data from them, and to be 100% honest, I frankly don't care about them. Terrible CPU line, should never have been released. Only thing I know is that MSI 5700HQ models had a BSOD error in DoTA 2 that needed a BIOS update to fix, and most sold models did not contain that update by default.

Note that the OC bin allowance was based off the max boost of each core's load. So, 7920HQ boosts to 3.7GHz on 4 cores, and 4.1GHz on 1 core, I think. This means it can hit 4.3GHz on 4 cores and 4.7GHz on 1 core with OCing. It's sufficient enough a limit I'd say for gamers, especially paired with good RAM, but it still annoys me that this near-$600 USD chip can't even OC to match a stock 7700K which costs less, and is soldered.

Also, if you want my take on OCing the 7820HK (and by extension 7920HQ) here it is:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussion-thread.794965/page-367#post-10438708

Though, if any notebook could do the OCing well, it'd be a Svet-modded MSI GT73VR.

As far as I know it can, however you may need the Svet mod. MSI by default makes overdrawing drain the battery.

 

Huh I never looked long at the 4th gen HQs, that's very interesting.

 

Yeah. The 4th gen and 5th gen HQ OC bin allowance was mostly pointless because they'd get locked to 47W TDP anyway. You could set a 4980HQ to a whopping 4.4GHz (Kaby lake has YET to surpass this... see my prior annoyance about slowness?) but it didn't matter because it'd throttle below its base 3.8GHz under any significant load anyway.

The problem is people would vsync their games to 60Hz and then OC and say it held. I asked them to unlock their FPS and it broke. But you don't hear that being reported =D

 

Yeah exactly, Haswell couldn't hold stock clocks on the HQs, that's why I assumed they couldn't OC at all. I knew the MQs weren't the same though.

 

3. There's only 1 bios OC screen:
- The bios stock/modded is the same as Prema mod on a Clevo, only difference is you need to pay SVET to unlock the bios
5. I believe it does, just splurge a bit more on the Clevo AC200 and additional 330w from HID. The SLi version (same mb, has additional mxm slot) uses 2x240w

How about if you use throttlestop powercut on the 4980HQ?

 

Yeah. MQs were laptop dependent though. MSI GT60 and GT70 couldn't hold over 47W because MSI said so. Svet mod might've removed that, or powercut could work.

Then it'll pretty much do what you want. In that respect a 4980HQ with 2133MHz 11-11-11-31-1T RAM like I have in my system would beat a 7920HQ at 4.3GHz with default 2133MHz 15-15-15-35-2T DDR4 RAM like most people buy.

 

So, question, @Phoenix... why this, and what happened to your DM3? O_O

 

http://valid.canardpc.com/rng1v9

The 4980HQ is Crystal Well which came after Haswell. As far as I know, the Power Cut feature is only for Haswell so I do not think it will work on a 4980HQ. Intel fixed the Haswell bug that ThrottleStop exploits.

 

@Phoenix - My bro, what happened man? At least you could have joined me with the MSI 16L13. It's beautiful over here. http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11469168

Anyway bro, enjoy your purchase man!!!

 

Crystal Well should be the same base, but either way, you could always run an EC hack like what @ryzeki used on his original GT80.

But thanks for the information webb-like uncle <3

 

I don't think that will suit his needs.


Also the 1080 in the 16L13 is gimped to 150w.

 

It's funny, my 16L13 has a gimped GPU but I'm passing folks with the GT73VR and the 6820HK. I'm probably going to get to test my theory real soon. I will have a GT73VR with a 6820HK right in front of me for some testing. I am going to keep watch for Phoenix and his results on the 7820HK/1080. His setup should beat my 16L13.

 

Yeah, there is no legitimate excuse for BGA filth in something marketed as a "high performance" notebook. That's about as bogus as a $3 bill. BGA mobile processors are a joke in terms of design and functionality. They are poorly binned garbage, generally require more voltage, frequently run hotter, and their mere presence is a massive hindrance on many fronts, including serviceability. Other than a smaller screen, stating the Tornado F5 would not meet his needs is ludicrous. It's a better product in every way, but a 17-inch version would certainly be nicer for those that prefer a larger form factor. The "but it's good enough for gaming" excuse is exactly that... an excuse... but, not a good one. Just the sound of that excuse is about as lame as it could get, and anyone that uses it should be ashamed of how that makes the gamer-boy niche look. To imply something is "good enough" reinforces that it is a lackluster product.

As far as the GPU being gimped, Pascal in general is gimped with a cancer vBIOS that throttles starting around 45°C, which is totally ludicrous. The 150W 1080 in the Tornado F5 will probably outperform the higher TDP 1080 once we get the vBIOS crippling corrected. If nobody mods the vBIOS for the 180W MSI GPU it will likely get left behind in terms of performance. Should be able to pull around 200W from the 150W 1080 without a problem. I am pulling 200W from my 980M in El Cazador. I'm hoping a @Prema vBIOS for my Clevo 1080 SLI will allow me to pull about 275W from each GPU and move the throttling trigger to 85°C instead of NVIDIA silly 45°C reference design.

 

If only he had waited, there will be a 17.3 version of the Tornado F5, said so by Eurocom themselves. I won't crucify him though. He has his reason to switch sides and while I don't agree with his reasoning behind it, I will respect his decision. As for that storage cost, bro, I could have easily sold you some of my secret sauce drives if you wanted to spend that much lol (I am kidding).

As for your P870DM3, if you want to lend it to me so I continue your legacy, I'll be fine with that!

 

see my reply here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/evoc-p870dm3-review-by-phoenix.798685/page-17#post-10440302

 

I hope @Prema hooks me up with a VBIOS for my MSI GT73VR to stop teh thr0ttl!ng despite me going to the dark side

 

Intel Chipset Software updated to v10.1.1.42

 

It might be against his religion for @Prema to hook you up like that. You'll forever and always be our friend, but buying a BGA turdbook is kind of like sleeping with the enemy. I've already forgiven your sin, bro.

 

The thermal throttling at 50C (not 45C) is actually a stability protection.

Pascal is VERY sensitive to any kind of heat increase, so at higher temperature you will have less overclock stability. This problem started with Maxwell and is exacerbated with Pascal. Kepler was the last generation of GPU to be temperature agnostic and only respond to voltage.

Also to note, if you don't have sub 30c temps, overvolting pascal (or setting a higher voltage overall) won't net you much benefit in terms of OC while exponentially increasing power draw.


Keep in mind that you have 2CORE+1VRM heatsink array backed with redesigned fanblades in the GT73VR while the CPU remains an independent cooling solution. The 16L3 has a shared heatpipe with only one array of heatsink per component with old style of MSi fan and it contributes much less robust cooling system overall.

Also am doubting the CPU cooling with such long heatpipes.

Also to note, 3 usb port only on the 16L13, for reference the GT72 series has 6 and the GT62 has 1 extra.

it's a great 15.6" inch no doubt, but I don't think getting a faster CPU is worth putting up for the massive downsides when you compare it to the GT73.


Fortunately you can still short the resistor below the GT73VR video card's power jack, this will eliminate TDP throttling.

lolwut

Did you mean to post this in the Phoenix Software Update thread?

 

no bro, Intel Drivers go here:

Latest Intel Drivers

 

Hmm, I wonder if I actually installed my X99 chipset software properly. I must check when have access to desktop again.

 

Using the stock vBIOS this is mostly true. It's probably safe to assume a lot of the stupid Pascal behavior is firmware induced nonsense, just as it was with Maxwell and Kepler. Nobody has seen (yet) what goodness will follow with @Prema magic. In typical NVIDIA style, they give themselves headroom to rebrand yesterday's GPUs and sell them as an upgrade using firmware to manipulate performance. I suspect this has more to do with the Pascal behavior than "protection" does. All they need to do is tweak their vBIOS to release some of the hidden performance for the next big GPU release, LOL... those slimy green bass turds from NGREEDIA are really sneaky that way.

Well, I am going to find out come Monday when it is delivered if the long heatpipes are a good thing. FedEx shows delivery is scheduled for Monday.

I think it is a matter of individual priorities, personally. BGA will never be an acceptable option for me. Having more USB ports won't fix that problem and having fewer won't diminish the value of the better CPU... at least for me, the sacrifice is too huge to be regarded as viable. I never use more than two USB ports, and mostly use one (one for my wireless mouse dongle 24/7 and one for my Corsair keyboard whenever I use it). If I used more I think I would opt for a hub to reduce the number of things connected to my laptops. I hate wires, and eliminating them is something I strive for.

 

wait what? FedEx is deliving what to you now? A Tornado?

 

Yes sir... that, and a 780W AC adapter for Alienkiller II.

It's the new Tornado F5 "Extreme Edition" 15-inch baby beast on steroids. 7700K and 1080, unlocked BIOS to follow.

 

Yes sir! @Mr. Fox is going to test/show the world what this little monster is truly capable of. With my BIOS now unlocked (thanks to Svet), I should be able to mirror what Mr. Fox does. This is going to be funnnnn!

EDIT: Sniped by the man himself.

 

I've got to reach out to Svet again. My last communication with him was when Brother @Diversion first got his unlocked. That was probably back in October.

I'm going to push it as far as it will go on the stock BIOS first to set a baseline for comparison after the cure for lameness has been flashed.

That it is going to be fun is probably an understatement. I think it's going to be amazing to bench the guts out of a 15-inch little monster at 5.0GHz or higher.

 

Someone has gone full Yolo this time.. Phoenix, you spent $5k on SSDs? LOL... I though I convinced you not to waste that much money last time

 

But then I thought, go big or go home

 

These great ssd's can also be used in → → →*your* next Clevo P870(with Z270 chipset) Could be sooner than you think/thought I still live in the faith my good friend + rep in advance(I know you soon will go back to Socket hardware)

 

He can't use the money to get a better keyboard for the Clevo though.

 

I would rather have this

http://hwbot.org/submission/3357625_papusan_wprime___1024m_core_i7_6700k_2min_11sec_918ms

Or even 7700K@+5.0GHz With better Performance You will find scores from Kaby LGA in the OC thread.

 

Honestly OC high is nice, but the problem is that you'll feel little difference with the 5GHz 7700K compared to 4.5GHz 7820HK in everyday use.


But the keyboard will most certainly be a worthwhile improvement that Phoenix will feel everyday.


It's not a very big tradeoff imo, you lose a bit of CPU performance for much better usability...

 

And who can guarantee that you will manage 45x all cores 24/7 with reasonable voltage and heat? For every damn chips out there aka on all MB?

 

thanks for understanding, specs and LGA vs BGA aside, usability and practicality is huge factor for me. If all I do is type all day long on the laptop and this little cramped keyboard makes me make mistakes in every sentence then I'm ready to compromise a bit on the specs and have a better overall experience

People may not get my frustration with the keyboard but every sentence I type, I just feel like bashing the keyboard into little pieces

Damn Clevo and their stupid 15 inch keyboard design that they put on a 17 inch laptop with so much wasted space left on both sides. Really, how hard is it to put a proper full sized 17 inch keyboard! they use the same keyboard on ALL their gaming laptops

 

Not mentioning the multitude of EC / Firmware / Driver issue without prema mod.


Edit: to note, I bought svet's mod for the GT72S 6820HK/980M due to a repaste client's request. When I explore the bios option it's 99% of what you get in a Clevo DMx series when comparing it to the 6700K OC tutorial by @Phoenix - So the bios is somewhat unlocked from factory but is able to be expanded, similar story to Clevo bios.

But you don't get the EC issues that come with Clevo lol.

 

Ill contact him once I get my laptop. I hope he has ta BIOS for the GT73VR

 

He has 6Rx but never asked about 7Rx

 

@hmscott @Mobius 1

Why do I see the Audio Drive / Nahimic listed once under drivers and once in the Utilities?

The versions are the same but the one in utilities says: A-Volute Nahimic with Audio Driver

It's the same right?

 

The listings for both are identical, same everything, same download size too.

Webguy: Hey, where do I put the download for the Nahimic stuff, Driver or Utility?
Manager: Engineer is off for the week, use your initiative, figure it out.

Utility... what if I am wrong and it's Driver? Or, I put it in Driver and it's supposed to be Utility. The package has an app interface and a driver, in fact 2 drivers...but it's got an app too...

Hey, I'll put it in *Both* !!

*Both* is right <==> *Both* is wrong => *Both* are found! Win !!

Engineer comes back, finds email with classification question... 3 weeks later... (stay tuned)

 

I should install the Realtek Audio Driver first before Nahimic right?

 

As in the detailed instructions, I'd point those out in the download listing for your drivers thread too... I didn't actually download this package version and check but...

Its actually. Uninstall Nahimic, reboot, uninstall Realtek, Reboot, Install new Realtek, reboot, Install new Nahmic, Reboot.

 

Wonder what the Nahimic software do in terms of basic functionality? Was wondering if it's possible to just install realtek only as I don't need all the enhancements / sound control.

 

I tried that, you can too, but the sound was a bit hollow - didn't sound normal.

ABMD, I played with the Nahimic software early on when MSI first switch from Creative SW, and Nahimic seemed to do nothing I could hear when playing with the sliders so I tried running on just RT.

Nahimic improved over further releases and seems essential now.

But, give it a try now if you want on the new hardware and let us know what you find.

You may need to find a version of Realtek from RT directly... to get the control app... don't recall if the MSI one had it included. I think the MSI RT package had it, it just "disappears when Nahimic is installed...been a while

 

why wouldn't you want the Nahimic enhancements? I thought that's what makes the sound on this laptop spectacular?