** 1070 laptop: "bd prochot" causing cpu throttling to 800MHz and stuttering **

Im not with pc atm, but you have any backup of that bios?

I could try since i tried everything to put this ****ing pc working...

 

Also what Power supply do you have? Chicony 230W? or Delta 230W?
Bios version should say something like "E1785xxx" maybe....

 

Will do so.

Also, will install dragon center because the shift option (OC), makes things even worse (according to @Pedro69 - and makes sense)

I will make things harder for MSI, you bet.

They are big MF, thats what they are... for doing this sh*t...

Exactly

Thats a good question.

EC 1785EMS1.107

BIOS is the "spectre" one, that was removed by MSI a few weeks ago (dont remember the letter)

 

E1785IMS.30F and is a chicony 230w.

 

yeap

 

I had the issue with bios .118 which is latest for my model and also with .114. I doubt it has to do with bios especially since the 6re and 7re have different bioses.

 

Have you tried going back to an old Bios?
The Bios I had was from last March (2017).

http://download.msi.com/bos_exe/nb/E1785IMS.30E.zip (current)
http://download.msi.com/bos_exe/nb/E1785IMS.307.zip (older)
http://download.msi.com/bos_exe/nb/E1785IMS.308.zip (older)
http://download.msi.com/bos_exe/nb/E1785IMS.309.zip
http://download.msi.com/bos_exe/nb/E1785IMS.30B.zip
( take no responsiblity for these).

 

Because people don't say no or vote with their wallet... This will continue and most likely become an even worse problem if i't possible. And I'm 100% sure it's possible.

 

I had the delta power brick. So also appears unrelated.

 

I have the unlocked content, so its hard trying do the same in each bios.

 

Did your PSU have the "4 pins" or the "one hole" connector?

My GT72VR dominator Pro had the Chicony 230W PSU. It had one hole+pin.

The GT73VR had the Deltas....(4 pins/holes).

 

It totally didn't have the 4 pins. No gt72vr has that. It's just a weird rare model with the 6820hk so I'm worried if they need to replace the motherboard they might not even be able to source one.

 

I have this bd prochot problem since i bought the laptop (march 2017), so i used all those bios / ECs that came out, all of them, even the ones deleted , same for the 44 vbios.

No difference at all.

(yes i only found out about these issue NOW, , i always thought it was the game that was stuttering, the problem was the games not the laptop - never used TS / XTU before thats why i didnt know about these, will always use this now to test a PC / laptop)

Well people dont know about this, thats why they buy it anyway.

Im really curious to see what MSI is going to do regarding this issue, im really curious...

If i dont like what they do, i will spread to 4 corners of earth, "MSI is a big......... "

Now i see what BGA cancer s*t book is...

 

With 86.04.5B.00.8A vbios you was able to oc the gpu in dragon center or msi afterburner? And what was the max vddc?

Think, if we can take .44 vbios and edit with voltages settings of 8A Vbios.

 

@Falkentyne knows this.

Yes you can manually overclock as usual, it will boost to 1685mhz only.

max vddc i dont know

 

Only 1685MHz?

 

Yeap, but you can go above it if you manually overclock .

 

But with dragon center?

 

Works too.

The only difference is that the gpu only boosts to 1685mhz, but if you OC more 150mhz, for ex it will reach 1685 + 150 = 1835mhz

And so on...

 

Nice, i think that the vddc on 8A is below 0.900V....

 

People should really start read my posts Btw. For you

 

Bios version installed by MSI first time to RMA (1070 crash playing games)
- 86.04.5B.00.82, DEBUG vBIOS, clocks 1443/3606
- Dragon Gaming Center / Turbo mode does not work

This was MSI solution, my laptop had one month and two weeks, i was really pissed...

I dont remember, but @Falkentyne knows this

P.S

Man, im still waiting for you to test G-SYNC on AC Origins (locked 60fps).

Do it, i would be really grateful...

 

I dont install pirate games for a long time bud, i need buy it on steam but is expensive atm....

 

I just bought Hunt Showdown on Steam (beta is over, now you need to buy it), to test the EC RW stuff...

Played for 30 minutes, now i´ve asked a refund.

Money is back on my bank account.

Whats the big deal?

You can refund if you play less then two hours.

P.S

I see i need to give you my Uplay login for you to test the game? jesus man

I will think about it, if thats what it takes for you to test the game....

 

@Pedro69,

https://www.cdkeys.com/pc/games/assassins-creed-origins-pc-uplay-cd-key - 30 euros (yes its 100% legal and i buy here always)

 

Uplay client, i need to my steam account.

 

There are no Steam keys for sell, only uplay .

Ok now i remember, there is avaliable a standalone expansion for AC Origins.

Same game, full map, you can free-roam, everything the same (BUT no story mode)

http://store.steampowered.com/app/775430/Discovery_Tour_by_Assassins_Creed_Ancient_Egypt/ - 20 euro

 

O'right guys, seems everything is discussed, so know lets wait for @heliada news, she was the first sending the laptop to RMA.

I probably, will have news only in 30 days, more or less, it depends on MSI.

Cheers

P.S

As for, BGA sh*t books people, burn it down



@Mr. Fox

 

Crack is a dirty words on NBR forum. Read the paragraph with bolded text almost on top under General rules.

 

I edited the post, sry!

 

@Mr. Fox

You have any idea what we can test more? For you is RMA solution right?

 

Based on all of the issues I see mentioned, I think I would try to RMA rather than continue testing. It seems the machine has a problem and does not work well. Rather than exchange it for the same thing, I would try to either get a refund or credit toward the purchase of a different model.

 

At least msi not is the only with this kind of issues....

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthre...rs-CPU-Throttling-to-798mhz-and-how-to-fix-it
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/asus-g73jh-bd-prochot-bios-mod.670921/

And many others with alienware laptops...

@heliada Those range temperatures on PCH are fine from what i can see on web.

http://voltground.com/haven/threads/95/

 

This is newest Alienwares in short resymee!! And this from first gen Alienware's with soldered hardware(BGA). Yeah, I know it's awful reading The record is 10 MB replacement included 3 new systems.

 

I saw the video on youtube of this guy, but the problem was the PCH temperatures...temperatures of PCH on my laptop are 70ºC....not a problem i think.



@VICKYGAMEBOY

 

The video show second gen Alienware It's released 3 revisions or call it refreshes of the Alienware BGA notebook models!! And it doesn't matter if it's the 15 or 17 inches models.

 

Well, what i can say...at least we not are the only

 

Not being the only brand that is messed up may be somewhat comforting, but it is a poor excuse for incompetence that should not be accepted. Nobody deserves to spend a lot of money on something that malfunctions due to poor engineering.

The problem is there are too many companies building so-called high performance laptops that seem to have no idea what they are doing. They keep churning out broken trash, and people that are not aware of the problems keep on buying it. They are not held accountable for selling broken garbage. It is very sad to see. You would think companies that make excellent enthusiast desktop motherboards (ASUS and MSI, for example) would have more of a clue that they are building and selling broken junk. Maybe they are not paying attention or maybe they only care about their desktop parts functioning correctly.

 

Yeah, I know. You should really read this thread. I have posted a lot info about several notebook models and from most brands.

 

The problem is that with vddc at 0.8750v i not get any kind of BD Prochot or if i disable this feature the laptop just run fine with vbios 86.04.5b.00.44... AND THE CLOCKS ARE THE SAME....why just because -100mv on gpu solve the problem???
After 24 pages i still not get where is the problem....what is the cause of BD-Prochot.

 

If you shrink on voltage, normally will most hardware use less power. Then you have your result. Aka High power usage seems to trigger the BD Prochot warnings. Either intended or faulty hardware.

 

They are probably trying to do something really stupid to mitigate total system power consumption and sacrificing performance to stay under some kind of idiotic power max threshold instead of allowing the machine to function correctly and deliver unfettered performance regardless of how much power it takes to do that. Obviously, their efforts are an abject failure or you would not be experiencing the problem. The only limit that should exist for the product to function correctly is a thermal limit.

 

This is todays status on notebooks. Dell ain't alone. Thicker or thinner/flimsy laptops doesn't matter (gaming or workstation notebooks, same for all). It's intended... There is a lot of ways to destroy a notebook. Either via Hardware or firmware/software. Or the full package!!

 

We are talking about MSI GT series, not thin laptops. For that i got a GS or GE series....
And i still not understand why MSI GT72VR-7RE not throttle in benchs with a high load on cpu and gpu...just in games

@streetunder I will stop using the disable BD-Prochot feature on Bios and will start using MSI AfterBurner to lock vddc till we got a response from @heliada...i doublt that MSI will fix the problem...anyways i can play without any issue with this method.

 

@Pedro69 lowering the gpu's power consumption will only mask the issue, it is still there. The laptop does not work accordingly. If you read some of my previous post I mentioned a physics formula where power=current X voltage. As you can see - lower voltage, lower power (if you have basic understanding of maths anyway). So obviously lowering the voltage somewhere will help a great deal. And yes even with low voltage you can overclock the hell out of it, these cards are amazing. But that does not change the fact there is likely something wrong with the motherboard with the potential of getting worse.

 

Let see what MSI Poland center will do with your laptop You already call to them?

 

Just did. It is through the repair process for the second time now he said as it failed testing after first one (where they poked with restoring the system and software, obviously that would not help as I did that too and so did all of you). But he says he does not know yet whether anything was replaced. It is in for more testing now he says Also that it should hopefully be back within a week and then I will know what happened exactly in the second repair/testing cycle. Did not say anything about what you guys found about it, that is for later. I will test the laptop when it comes back to see whether it was even fixed.

 

What matters is that you have actually explained what happens to the computer so it does not come in the same condition.

 

He says the repairs began right the day after it arrived which was 15th/16th february. It seems my local reseller was slow in sending it off. Plus the way it failed testing and then had to be repaired some more and tested again took a while. And obviously they don't work weekends. So that explains where it was stuck for the past 20 days since I dropped it off at my shop :x I hope it is fixed to be honest. But that is why I went through the shop where I bought it as they can obviously support me if it is not fixed. I am pretty scared it would have to be sent to Poland again at least 2 more times before I had the right to ask for a refund. Not sure how it works these days but those were the rules few years back: they have 3 attempts to fix it, then you can be officially done with it haha xD

 

Ok, you said power limit right? So where is the problem? Vbios? Bios? EC?