I had one, was running it solo in my work laptop daily data read and write some times filled hdd to 95% then all data goes out and back all and all like this it lasted me like 9 months before it began to fail, I believe it was bearings started sound weird... not that I heard anything bad about them before but thats my experience. at first it felt noisyer when it spin up first time in my laptop, its more you can feel it trough laptop chassis while touching your laptop... since i switched to SSD and im never switching to HDD as primary system drive. if you combine two or more of those drives in raid it will be nice quick budget setup
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yeah postage would be a pain but worth e-mailing them anyway as they will be able to give you the correct MSI part number.
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But okey i will try to set the memory to 800mhz
I set the memory to 800mhz and max oc to 24% but when i stress test the cpu with prime95 the cpu core do not change. I use cpu id to check the core speed...
EDIT: It goes to 2795mhz
EDIT2: would a clevo version of hd 7970m fit into my laptop? Do it look like the dell version? And do the vBIOS version work?
EDIT3: I AM SO ING RETARD xD I DIDNT CLICK AT THE TURBO BUTTON xD i have overclock it to 3463mhz Pretty happy about that But i have only stress test it for about 5-6 min atm and the first core have been up to 91C and the second 87C :/ fan at max speed. Should i put some mini heatsink on the coppar at the cpu heatsink? I have 8 of these: http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n298/outlaw_027/Computer/4th Build CM 690II Adv NEW/DSC00698.png would they work? Or should i buy some lower heatsink? These zalman heatsink cost me only 15SEK so not a big deal.
After 14min it come up to 96C and 93C and then i begin to throttle... Any ides to make this laptop cooler?
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So one more question regarding 7970m, how to monitor voltages for this card? MSi afterburner doesnt monitor them for me, tried all the settings nothing like previous generation cards features supported bar mem speed gpu speed temp, fan speed etc, but voltage control aint enabling or allowing to monitor/control etc, im just courious, how others do it... or can this card come with "LOCKED" bios from DELL? Im begining to think that, tried to run RBE to acquire flash from card but it doesnt do it, and I used the last version of RBE, lately I was thinking to run atiflash from bios, then use backup command to read and save bios flash file of the card to usb media and later analyze it from windows environment using RBE, but is there any alternative way of doing this without booting in to DOS mode?
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Copper-He...erComponents_MemoryRAM_JN&hash=item5ae66288bf
cheap as chips and should really do the job, I only must do some measuring the gap between the lid when its closed and the heatpipes of the cpu first, as these copper above in the link are 4mm height -
But could you answer me why bf3/BFBC2 lag like if you have 500 ping? When i set the turbo at 24 procent and i play without it doesnt lag but when i click at the turbo button so the cpu go up to 3463mhz it lagz... -
Ive no idea man, select power options wisely, select GPU settings wisely, try select lower graphics settings and run then, try all things man
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I remember when I upgraded only CPU to 940XM and I used my standard 120W psu I was playing for approx 10-20 minutes then I feel lagging and I exit game coz I cant play normally, than I notice my battery in laptop is approx 80% left from 100% before, and my charger is not working, so I had to replug the charger to make it work again, after I got new charger problems gone away
Can those who understand look at this and tell me if its OK score for my setup run or something not right?
MSI Kombustor Competition (Dec 2011) - KMark score (OpenGL 4 and PhysX benchmark)
(RAN WITH AUTO FAN)
MSI Kombustor Competition (Dec 2011) - KMark score (OpenGL 4 and PhysX benchmark)
(RAN WITH TURBO FAN)
It actually doesnt say but during all run MSI kombustor runtime was showing 0.975v on VDDC
Weird but is that behavior normal, during MSi Flag test gpu load droppwed somewhere approx 21% only while test was low FPS, and art the last combined test it was also laggy and gpu load dropped to approx 34% till the test ended...
this was ran using 12.7 hotfix official amd drivers pack, Ive located 12.5 7970m mod drivers, suppose to run better smoother etc utilize full cards potential... I will try that now and will run same tests and will update here
UPDATE:
Now I have cleared the 12.7 hotfix drivers I had, rand complete uninstall via ATi catalyst manager manually selected everything, uninstalled, rebooted, ran driver sweeper 3.2 , cleaned , rebooted, ran ccleaner, rebooted, installed 12.5 7970m MOD drivers found here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...-mobility-7970-m17x-r3-illustrated-guide.html
and ran once the kombustor again X-Score:
MSI Kombustor Competition (Dec 2011) - KMark score (OpenGL 4 and PhysX benchmark)
and one more run
MSI Kombustor Competition (Dec 2011) - KMark score (OpenGL 4 and PhysX benchmark)
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I was always 12.5 mod without issues, I recommend them.
A little tip for the voltage, install GPU Observer gadget and monitor temps, clocks, voltage etc. Its very handy and at least you can check your gpu is acting correctly!
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what bench tools should I use? Name and version of software?
PS: I also replaced pads once again from phobya 0.5mm x layered to some areas needed 1mm and 1.5mm to all 1mm green soft AMD OEM pads all around and used 0.5mm AMD OEM green soft pads for ram chips, also made sandwiches from same 1mm soft OEM AMD pads so made maybe even better fit... so far no problems especially not with "12.5 7970m MOD DRIVERS" ...
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12.7 official beta - gives me about 10fps higher in game and no issues
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yup think so but may have been 12.6 whql. Been through quite a few drivers. Just about to do a comparison between 12.5 mod and 12.7 beta
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cool let me know how it worked cozI got way lower scores in MSi Kombustor benchmark X-Score with 12.7 amd official beta VS 12.5 special 7970m MOD driver which rocks i think pretty well, I must try it in games later too..
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Well I've tried it with Rise of Flight and very little difference between the two but 12.7 beta shades it (lower gpu usage in game so runs slightly cooler) so I shall stick with those.
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Yes I did also feel good jump from 12.6 to 12.7 beta but I just cant stand BSOD's and random PC freezes in a middle of text typing , downloading something, or just browsing, hence I tried 12.5 MOD driver and im very impressed with simple benchmark results, so far no complaints runs smooth, but would love to run official latest driver soon with same no hangs crashes or freezes... its a thing u gota live with when u move to AMD... screw ATi lol -
Yes 12.7 beta is better for me - lower gpu usage in game - probably as a result of the optimised memory management with these drivers.
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I have 150w so i think it should be ok? The gpu tdp is about 74TDP and the cpu cant even reach over 50w? Or could it? Note: The frequenze(i cant spell it) is at the same when it lags. I doesnt throttle or shut down...
Btw, I have finally upgrade to 8GB! I bought the corsair pack! But the ram is rated at 1333mhz. Why cant i use 1333mhz? So the cpu do only support 1066mhz? -
I have Delta 150W PSU and havent had power problems yet. I've seen the draw as high as 200W running benchmarks. Draw with the 920XM heavily o'ced and gaming is 120-160W
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Okey. But one thing i cant understand why it lags when i overclock. The cpu bottleneck like hell at games like BF3. The GPU cant get at full load very often and the cpu is at 100% most of the time -
help me,i want to change psu (adapter).this item from link compatible msi gx660 ?
180W AC Power Adapter for Alienware Area-51 M9700 M9750 0415B19180 0226A19150 | eBay
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went loco today, ordered another Vertex4 256GB SSD, will chance my arm running RAID0 Stripe on Dual Vertex4 2x256GB SSD setup... so will likely get proper data transfer boost
after all gaming in the dark environment makes no big problem with my glossy finish LCD... but maybe some day will get the V4 mate finish screen for it too...
QUESTION ABOUT BENCHING MY MACHINE:
what tools are best and most accurate and widely known for their synthetic benchmarks to see top performance on CPU/SSD/RAM/GPU etc? Preferable if you can post full software names and versions, thanks -
and throttlestop to check speed of cpu
8GB ram -waste of money for something that you cannot use -
Waste of money is when you get to run something heavy-weighted and you begin to think last minute when you see slowdown or not as smooth workflow: "oh gosh ,I just upgraded from 2gb to 4gb, and now from 4gb to 6gb , and I need more now again..." now thats what would be waste of money constantly expanding need of more ram and keep purchasing so called "budget way", you wil endup wasting money of two sets by 12GB x 2 times just because u woulda have kept on buying small amount of ram upgrades all time instead going for real max-buy, and same applies for all upgrades, like performance cpu upgrade, or low speed SSD, and etc etc.
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I prefer to use CPUID
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Sorted my power socket issue, in the end I used a MSI socket, ordered two from Medion directly but they both didn't fit the board as they had too few pins. I used a power socket from an MSI 660r and it fitted perfectly. Can't remember the part no. now but could find out if anybody's interested
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I don't know man. Typical benches include 3dmark Vantage, 3dmark11, Furmark (for temps) Wprime (for CPU stressing and stability), PCmarkVantage for general multimedia performance.
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It run pretty smooth when i dont overclock the cpu but when i do it start laggs.
With settings and fps is he playing at?
I will buy a clevo p170em now in winter i think. I want a larger screen and keyboard lights. I think i will take 8gb and i7 2610qm and a 7970m.
Btw, I can buy a 7970m for a really good price A company here in sweden can sell me a brand new clevo version of 7970m with shipping and bracket for 3000SEK But ofc it depends if i will upgrade this laptop instead...
EDIT:Should i record it with my camera how it looks? Example when i play without turbo on, and then i set it on and i will show you how it looks
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Its really up to you buddy, if you need your laptop for special purpose of use and know what you need exactly get it all assembled by the seller, and setup ready to use then you should just buy that built machine and touch nothing inside and just use it for however how many years upfront, but if you feel interest and excitement on building and customizing your own system, do it wisely and build one yourself, its a real pleasure to have weapon like artillery machine that you built all by yourself(now please dont think thats cool what I just said, if you werent thinking this way before, then dont start doing so and dont follow my steps, everyone does what each feels best doing) . The main thing is if you are going to get "another" mid range computer, then why bother at all?? I would say YES go for it if it was all mighty ultimate animal machine with superior SSD setup, best of best single or dual GPU setup and etc etc... but if youre not thinking this direction, then why not to spend that planned amount of money for ultimate parts for your current computer and make it unbeatable from where it stands... it all comes to performance and sum of money you have spent. I personally found I have built way better machine myself then I would have bought pre-built, and of course more cost effective. but its all up to you what you decide to do, we're human we're individualds, we live we make choices we make mistakes , we reach success ,we learn from our own experience only, and NOT FROM SOMEONE ELSES, thats the way of life experience
Good luck with whatever you do man
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Go hard or go home... me says little spark in a head lit the fire up and Im going RAID0 2x256GB Vertex4 tonight. Im gona benchmark little bit single achi mode before reinstalling and will do benchmark after. will measure some game loading times and windows boot times etc ... very exciting nite
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Can somebody help me?
I have MSI 16F1, and i try to upgrade my i5 460M to i7 640M. When I plug it in, fan starts, but screen keeps black and after 2 seconds laptop turns off. Then it turns on itself with black screen and nothing's happening until I turn it off. With i5 system starts fine. -
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The only thing i want is to play at my laptop! I think if i should upgrade my cpu first and then a new charger and a heatsink and then order my 7970m!
Why i really dont want to upgrade i because the laptop is constructed to use a 75 tdp gpu and not a 100w so i think the laptop will be broken after perhaps 1 years or more... If i upgrade it i want to use it for about 2 years -
You really need to get charger before you get the CPU because CPU is so power hungry I am nearly sure you will get problems because your old charger will be to weak to hold stock power even without any OC.
Same happened to me , my 120W PSU was too weak for 5870m + 940XM cpu, later I got 7970m which is extra few watt on top but I always fit in between 140-160W on wall reader when I game really hard etc
If I was you my advice would be this:
Get SSD Vertex4/Samsung 830/Crucial M4 or something else as fast
Get 180w PSU
Get CPU 940XM or 920XM - no noticeable difference
TEST the system the way you have, and then decide if you will really need 7970m you will need it if you want to play in MAXIMUM SETTINGS (but even then you may find games that dont play silky smooth doh...lol rarely happens but does, otherwise 99% of other todays games will run flawlesly) -
I will buy a 940xm for about 2500SEK from upgrademonkey. But i have 150w so it should be okey? Then i get me a 180w charger(What do it cost?800sek?) and then a heatsink(About 700SEK) and then a 7970m(3000SEK) So it should be about 7000SEK. And it will perform like a 15k SEK computer If we dont care about the cpus...
But what do you see a crazy overclock is? It would be great to overclock the gpu to 1ghz and the cpu from 2,13ghz to perhaps 3ghz?
I have read at a swedish forum that a guy with a clevo p170em and he have a 7970m. he say it perform great! but it depends at the drivers he said... Sometimes the gpu lay about 99% usage but sometimes it could be low as 20%... He said the drivers should be okey in winter. Why i ask just about winter is because i will order my cpu then
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Save yourself (or your parents!) some money and get yourself a 920XM QS (mine cost 170 euro). The 15.6 MSI chassis cannot really handle the heat from the XM chips and I doubt you will be able to run a 940Xm to its fullest capability.
With my 920XM QS I game at multis of 25/23/21/20 with a tdp/tdc of 85/80. With CPU utilisation of @30% temps are in the 80's.
Maximum for benching is 27/26/25/24 at tdc/tdp 90/81 (i.e. 3591MHz on one core, 3458 on 2 core and so on). Temps are in the low to mid 90's when gaming though and thats on a coooling pad with extra heatsinks on the cpu heatpipe/heatsink.
Idle temps are mid to high 30's (I have seen it as low as 33 deg on battery in cool ambient temps @15 deg C)
As long as your 150W psu is a Delta ADP-150NB D you will have no problems with a 920Xm/7970m combo. When gaming, powerdraw at the wall is 120-150W. Highest I've seen during the combined test of 3dmark11 is over 200W!. I haven't had the PSU shut off yet due to load.
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As for filip: yes I dont believe CPU is all that much matter really when you have 920xm 940xm is exact same power cpu only stock multiplier has 1x higher in 1core mode which means 25x133mhz bus = 3.333ghz, other than that everything is easily altered with throttlestop tool.
940XM is easy runable in GX660, after reapplying thermal compound several times and polishing down heatsink surface to CPU IC to mirror shine using GRID2000&GRID3500 sandpaper, cpu stays iddle/low use between 49~65+ c with auto fan only, when gaming I never hit more than 86~88+ c yet with stock clocks on most demanding game, usually I see average 70~80+C now, games tested on was most recently metro2033 - heavy duty game that was, havent played too much of it yet just few hours / driver sf / crysis 2 with super high textures pack installed 1080p and all ultra settings and etc to max + dx11 which sucks with current stable MOD 7970m driver of ati / tom clancys rainbow six vegas / mass efect3 which never hit more than 86c on cpu with also autofan as on all other games too + and I finished off entire game in nonstop 30h cycle, best benchmark for my new 7970m so far hehe never hit more than 80 in most brutal scenes of this game, but consider autofan only! that was some stress test, usually gpu stays under 65~70+c on heavy load on other games
consider all these recent runs were done on flat table, ambient temperature approx 23~25+ C , autofan only, turbofan usually help stabilize lower temps like approx -5 degrees overall average max temp drop.
I only OC CPU heavily when I do some short tasks where it doesnt get too hot for too long coz I can hit thermal watchdog pretty easy with all 24x cores set on approx 15 minutes full load so I dont chance my arm on that, gaming with 940XM stock clocks is more than enough for me, but if you can get cold air feed to the bottom of your laptop you can get it running stable approx 3.6-3.8ghz all comes to how smart cold air gets in to your lappy I mean really cold. altho it may not give you this super dramatical increase in game performance because biggest role playing after CPU is your GPU
Yes if you do have 150W you may be just fine, if you wont be then just get PSU and be asured to be all set
About 920XM 940XM CPU performance VS sandybridge i7 cpus, these XM cpus we have can really easy kick some sandybridge a$$ in many applications so I dont feel much behind even from ivy bridge which will be much faster only if you go high edition cpu and again extreme edition but who's gona pay 1k+ for cpu alone that gives you few extra fps overall performance in gaming ... I am very happy with 940xm i have, also was very lucky to get it for approx 180e incl postage within europe, germany ebay rulez -
I have a delta so it would be fine (YES!!!)
Whick notebookcooler do you use? I use cooler master u2 And where did you buy those extra heatsink?
I dont want to overclock so high i think xD I will not upgrade the gpu after i have upgrade it to 7970m. Because it will be enough for like 2 years, and after 2 years i dont want this laptop anymore xD
I read here that 920xm is like I5 750 and that is not a sandy bridge You perhaps mean sandy bridge mobile cpus?
Could you link where you buy it Because this is the cheapest XM cpu i can find: INTEL i7 940XM 3.33GHz quad QS mobile CPU processor for 55 chipset laptop monkey|eBay I ''only'' have 2000SEK atm so i cant buy it It would be nice to find a cpu under 2000SEK -
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wonder what games can use more than standard 32bit limit that is less than 2GB ? probably bf3 and Im not sure if in single player - but don't have powerfull gpu card to check that
in my case in SP on gtx285m (played not too much because Im rather not gaming player) on lowest detail in FHD it use around 3GB with system maybe more but never make more than 4GB (acutally use 6GB )
For second part:
yes that right - but like you said in other post human makes mistakes and what would be life without mistakes.
Im not use my gt660 too heavy and really don't see at this moment point to update to 2x4GB or 3x4GB with cpu without iGP.
that's my time spended on writing post is wasted ...
you wants help but not used it bad idea
and without fixing that problems don't think you upgrade it with new gpu or cpu
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Did you try to hold down power button and start after while again ?
and question if that gpu need some flashing ?
that psu should be sufficient to around 170-180W on the wall (in my cases delta also adp-150nb D 19.5V x 7.7A ~ 150W)
Im wonder if you or someone else can measure average freq in games because if you used 25/23/21/20 then you really use 21/20 multipler not 23 or 25
then frequency is around 2800MHz that compared for mine is 3670MHZ in 2core 620m is near 900MHz diff
One bad thing with quad core is idle temps - for me (Tested on lowest 720qm ) is more than 50C, when with any 2core is less than 50C with lowest possible fan that makes hdd more louder than fan.
@UltraGSM
can you make some real test on ssd ?
mean creating sfv/md5 in total commander and measuring reading speed with Process Explorer
Im wonder how many MB you get because if im not wrong you also had pm55 with sata2/3GB ?
Im getting only 200MB with that test on Kingston HyperX 3K SSD 120GB
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Why shouldnt i upgrade? It only happens when i use the turbo in the the bios.'
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@filipcombat:
I use a belkin F5L001erBLK - cheap (£10) and works well - lowers temps by 4-5 degrees
I bought some cheap RAM heatsinks and used the dremel to grind them down so they were the right height.
Stock 7970m clock and voltage. TS settings: 27/26/25/24 at tdc/tdp 90/81
AMD Radeon HD 7970M video card benchmark result - Intel(R) Core(TM) CPU X 920 @ 2.00GHz,MEDION X681X score: P5512 3DMarks
A friends desktop as comparison (i5 2500K, GTX 560Ti both at stock):
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti video card benchmark result - Intel Core i5-2500K Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P8P67 PRO score: P4902 3DMarks
@debeniak:
120-250W when gaming was a typo (don't drink and post!). Should have read 120-150W.
Battery did not discharge when laptop hit peak powerload during benchmark!
idle temps of 50 seems very high. High ambient/room temp? if not you need to repaste.
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