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A hinge is probably a little tighter on one side, make sure to always open/close the lid from the center as the best practice to allow force to be distributed evenly to both sides.

 

Will do, thanks for the advice! Can I easily adjust how tight the hinges are or is that a hassle? Also I removed the partition with the Aeomi tool, I hope I didn't break anything. Why it comes with an empty partition is beyond me...

 

Don't adjust it but leave it alone. You sure you didn't remove the recovery partition?

 

Pulling the trigger on this laptop. Pretty excited!

 

Congrats! Let us know how it is once you get it, and don't forget to register the system immediately on MSI's website.

 

will do! got mine custom built by HIDevolution.

 

Congrats bro! Welcome to the MSI Gaming Team

Feel free to tag me once you get it if you want me to help you tweak it.

These are the Ultra Male Tweaks:

1- Uninstallation of all the Windows Store Garbage Apps like 3D Paint, Print 3D, Alarms & Clock, Feedback Hub, Maps, Groove Music, News, Weather, etc.
2- Removing all Windows 10 Privacy Invasion stuff like Telemetry, sending your keystrokes to Microsoft, automatically installing suggested apps in the background, allowing Microsoft to conduct experiments on your laptop, disabling automatic driver updates through Windows updates, disabling Windows 10 ads, disabling Cortana, Cloud Search etc.
3- Disabling Microsoft Edge from starting up automatically in the background upon reboot.
4- Adjusting a lot of options in PC Settings like disabling Windows Tablet Mode (you have a laptop not a tablet), disabling suggestions appearing in the start menu, disabling automatically connecting to Paid WiFi Hotspots, disabling Game DVR which reduced performance in games, and a lot more.
5- Replacing Cortana with a much better search tool that finds results instantly called Everything which finds any file you want as soon as you start typing even a few letters of its name and it doesn't even rely on the Windows Indexing Service to do this!
6- Restoring the classic Windows Photo Viewer
7- Restoring the Classic Windows 7 Start Menu
8- Removal of the new and useless 3D Objects Folder that appears when you open "Computer"
9- Completely disabling Windows Defender from its roots (including all scheduled tasks and startup files) for those who want to install their own AV. ESET NOD32 Antivirus is highly recommended if you want the utmost security with the least system performance impact.
10- Updating all drivers to the latest versions in case they weren't up to date.
11- Disabling the performance hit that is caused by the Meltdown and Spectre patches recently released by Microsoft (optional, only if you don't mind having this security vulnerability and would rather have your CPU's full performance back)
12- Overprovisioning your SSD anywhere between 10-20% depending on how much space you can spare to ensure optimal and consistent performance at all times.
13- Blocking the Google Chrome Software Reporter Tool (which causes a high system load when it is scanning files)
14- Preventing Microsoft Edge from running on startup in the background
15- Creating a system restoration image using Macrium Reflect

 

thanks a lot! appreciate it cant wait till its built.

 

Anyone else experiencing huge difference in temps on core 1 and 6 (0 and 5) ?

info:
1050ti version
undervolted -0.150
not repasted

 

Standard heatsink imbalance caused by VRM's/chokes above the cores (the heatsink must also cool the chokes and VRM's so this causes a pressure imbalance already) and a convex heatsink.

Typical design problem when a heatsink is cooling more than just one thing. Alienware users have dealt with this for years on their BGAbooks @Papusan

Nothing new to see here. Standard stuff people have been dealing with ever since this heatsink block shape was first used on the GT72s or GT80 4 core systems.

Cores 0, 2 and 4 (I go by the HWinfo layout with the cores being 0-5 NOT 1-6) are the ones at the top of the die.
Cores 1, 3 and 5 are the ones at the bottom.
Cores 1, 3 and 5 have more heatsink pressure, thus are cooler. Cores 0, 2 and 4 have less heatsink pressure, causing higher temps and a bigger chance of the thermal paste (originally a lairdtech phase change stamp) drying out prematurely.

This is not an easy problem to fix.

Sometimes replacing the VRM and choke thermal pads (above the CPU) with pads of half the thickness (example: 1mm to 0.5mm) helps improve things.
A few of the GT73VR users did replacing of the pads with 0.5mm pads (me, Shehary--who was the very first to do this, and a few others), and sanded the heatsink flat (very carefully, important to sand as little as possible). Shehary was the first to do this.

But these were easy to fix on the GT73VR and GT75VR as removing the CPU heatsink was separate from the GPU (it was one piece) and only required unplugging the AC, battery connector (ALWAYS unplug the battery connector AND AC, always) and moving the fans out of the way.

GT75 Titan required removing the entire GPU heatsink *AND* GPU VRM heatsink to access the CPU heatsink.
GS65/P65 (i'm guessing same chassis design) users get to remove the entire motherboard.

Unless you're experienced enough at modding to do this, might be best off RMA'ing. You are not the first person who encountered this problem. Check the GS65 thread. Unfortunately you either play the RMA game, or *HOPE* that just reducing the thermal pad thickness and then repasting with a THICK paste like Coolermaster Gel Maker Nano, which I recommend personally, or Phobya Nanogrease Extreme (NOT KYRONAUT!! KRYONAUT IS BAD ON IMBALANCED HEATSINKS!!!) will be enough work without resorting to sanding.

 

Thank you very much for elaborating! I sent an email to msi and the reseller, hoping they will send a new heatsink,since I don't want to rma either

 

Do you know what thermal pads specs I should look for? I see that you mention 0,5mm thickness but what else?

 

I am sure. I didn't touch the recovery partition. If I recall correctly (without looking at it as I'm not at my PC right now I'm on mobile) it had 4 partitions. 1 was C drive, 1 was boot drive, 1 was recovery and 1 was D drive (which was empty). I merged D with C, no issues at all. I checked D over for hidden files first plus the capacity vs space available also showed it empty.

Worked a charm. I have plenty of space now so I'm good but I do wonder what the need for the recovery drive is when I've made the recovery USB... Unless they're not the same things...

 

They should be the same but in case you don't have the media part created. 2 is always better than 1.

 

So I've been lurking here awhile, and decided to jump the gun on ordering this laptop.. However I live in the Netherlands . And wanted to order from the representatives but didn't really see a way to get it here (I feel even worse if I was wrong in that). However, the laptop is really pretty and I like working with it.. But are having issues with initial tweaking, also well it gets hot and or loud.. And the audio jack is tricky (it does nothing using a 3 pin) and only gives the speaker. Or the other way around.. I'm reluctant to ask.. But any help would be highly appreciated!

 

Little ticked with MSI support this week. I've had my Wifi act up where i cannot see networks around me (Card still works, if i already connected it will auto connect) I solved this issue once by resetting windows...but a week or so later it happened again. I don't feel like resetting my laptop every week when this keeps happening. After going through there basic stuff (which i already had done) of reinstalling wifi drivers from website, reset bios, reset the cmos, this is the next step they give me...

I assume its one of the windows 10 updates that is screwing it up, but i would expect MSI to do a little more then just say reset your pc... Tethering my phone for wifi via usb isn't what i was expecting to have to do with my $2500 laptop...

Anyone else having issues with there WIFI?

 

No issues with using the latest drivers.

Make sure you follow this guide to unblock any file you download from the internet before running it or extracting it, if it was a ZIP file that is:

"Are you sure you want to run this file?" [Yes or No]

===============================================================

Aquantia AQC107 LAN Driver 2.1.12
Killer 1550/Intel WLAN Driver 20.100.0.4/ Bluetooth 20.100.0.4
===================================================================================
Using Windows 10 Redstone 5 with the latest Windows updates:

1) How to add "Install CAB" Context Menu in Windows 10

2) Install this first = KB4470788 - SSU (What is SSU [Servicing Stack Update])
http://download.windowsupdate.com/d..._815f6888f01904cb53fdf0e4317a49cbc7804222.cab

3) Then follow with the actual Cumulative Update = KB4469342 - CU 17763.168
http://download.windowsupdate.com/d..._7290815610ac4c3d657eb5ed6e4e92421fa8c29a.msu

4) Install the Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.7.2 = KB4469041

http://download.windowsupdate.com/c..._b7783a9a26a917265ee719f56522f882aac0a517.cab

5) Finally, Adobe Flash Player Update 5th of December 2019 = KB4471331

http://download.windowsupdate.com/c..._f40a66c873644c2b88ed389882364a8d1fc52328.msu

 

Great info, thank you.

 

Sorry I haven't gotten a chance to post much follow-up but the main user of the laptop has it so much I haven't gotten a chance to use it or play with it (surprise, surprise

Anyways, some other impressions having had the laptop for a few weeks now
1) White still looks great - everyone still comments how professional it looks
2) Got a better carrying case from amazon for it.. linked it here.. fits great, and works well: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H7X5RL8/
3) No chance to run benchmarks, but I can at least give you an idea that overwatch runs very well and pasting/fans and temperature were good. On Ultra, avg 70-100 fps, temps never got about 65' (both fans on). Idle temps seem to be about 35' (cpu fan).. and low use (web browsing, word processing, etc) seem to be about 40-45 (just cpu fan)
4) Fingerprint sensor seems to be working fine no problems so far
5) No obvious 'hinge' problems.

I'll see if I can get my hands on it more but so far the laptop owner is very happy
Thanks

 

Guys, any tests or reviews on the screen? How does it do with color space coverage and color accuracy? Anyone photo/video edits on it? Most of all curios particularly about MSI P65 Creator 8RD-021 modification.

 

Pulled the trigger last week. Hope to see it soon.

 

is there a good camera cover (besides regular tape) anyone can suggest that fits the P65?

 

How about this?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/15x-Plasti...12314785080?hash=item48b7696d38:rk:5:pf:0&var

 

is that one you use?

 

This is my first post. Just got my p65 creator and I’m digging it so far. Big thanks to [email protected] for helping me out. Glad I got the upgrades I did

 

Just made my purchase of P65 with all the Bells and Whistles. Donald was a great help through the process. If anyone knows a link I can follow for the things I should removed and do with the laptop upon arrival please share it with me. Thank you!!

MSI P65 Creator 8RF-442
Samsung 970 EVO 500GB
1TB Samsung 860 EVO
GTX1070 Max Q
16Gb memory
Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut
Clean windows install

 

Welcome to the HIDevolution Gaming team.

If you wanna do it yourself, you can follow the below guides:

NBR Windows 10 Clean Installation Guide
Windows 10 Tweaks and Fixes (Index post #1)
O&O ShutUp10 - Do not use Windows 10 without it!
Macrium Reflect Installation/Usage Guide
The best and fastest way to backup your data!


However since you are an HIDevolution Gaming Member now, I can help you tweak your laptop over TeamViewer when you get it. These are the Ultra Male Tweaks:

1- Uninstallation of all the Windows Store Garbage Apps like 3D Paint, Print 3D, Alarms & Clock, Feedback Hub, Maps, Groove Music, News, Weather, etc.
2- Removing all Windows 10 Privacy Invasion stuff like Telemetry, collecting your activities that you do on your computer, sending your keystrokes to Microsoft, automatically installing suggested apps in the background, allowing Microsoft to conduct experiments on your laptop, disabling automatic driver updates through Windows updates, disabling Windows 10 ads, disabling Cortana, Cloud Search etc.
3- Disabling Microsoft Edge from starting up automatically in the background upon reboot.
4- Adjusting a lot of options in PC Settings like disabling Windows Tablet Mode (you have a laptop not a tablet), disabling suggestions appearing in the start menu, disabling automatically connecting to Paid WiFi Hotspots, disabling Game DVR which reduced performance in games, and a lot more.
5- Replacing Cortana with a much better search tool that finds results instantly called Everything which finds any file you want as soon as you start typing even a few letters of its name and it doesn't even rely on the Windows Indexing Service to do this!
6- Restoring the Classic Windows Photo Viewer from Windows 7
7- Restoring the Classic Windows 7 Start Menu
8- Restoring the Classic Calculator from Windows 7
9- Removal of the new and useless 3D Objects Folder that appears when you open "Computer"
10- Completely disabling Windows Defender from its roots (including all scheduled tasks and startup files) for those who want to install their own AV. ESET NOD32 Antivirus is highly recommended if you want the utmost security with the least system performance impact.
11- Updating all drivers to the latest versions in case they weren't up to date.
12- Disabling the performance hit that is caused by the Meltdown and Spectre patches recently released by Microsoft (optional, only if you don't mind having this security vulnerability and would rather have your CPU's full performance back)
13- Overprovisioning your SSD anywhere between 10-20% depending on how much space you can spare to ensure optimal and consistent performance at all times.
14- Blocking the Google Chrome Software Reporter Tool (which causes a high system load when it is scanning files)
15- Preventing Microsoft Edge from running on startup in the background
16- Restoring the missing default power plans in Windows 10 (ie. High performance, Power saver, and adding the new Ultimate Performance Plan)
17- Creating a system restoration image so that you can restore your computer the way it was after I have tweaked it within a few minutes easily!

 

This is great! Thank you in advance. I’ll see how far I can get with the links you gave me. I’ll keep you posted on how it goes.

 

Congrats man!! That’s awesome! I can’t wait to get mine.

 

Hello everybody, this is my first post!
I'm very interested in MSI P65 Creator 8RE (the silver one - GTX 1060): I read a lot of threads/reviews but I have some doubt about the screen.

In a previous post of this thread I read that both the white Limited Edition and the silver ones use the same panel...
but - ingenuous question - how can it be possible if the L.E. has 144 Hz and the others 60 Hz?

I'd like to understand if the 8RE silver version has the same brightness and color accuracy of the 8F (I can't find any reviews on 8E or 8D).

Thank you in advance,

MIchele

 

For the US models, there are 2 with 144Hz, and 2 with 60Hz.
144Hz:
8RF-441
8RF-442

60Hz:
8RE-020
8RD-021

If you are located in other regions, please check with your local resellers directly to verify.

 

How do I install the fingerprint reader? Ive downloaded the drivers but there is no installation file

Edit
found that the fingerpring scanner is installed when looking in device manager, but how do I set it up?

 

1. Go to Settings > Accounts.



2. Scroll to Windows Hello and click Set Up in the Fingerprint section.



If you don't have a PIN, you'll need to create one to set up the fingerprint reader.

3. Click Get Started.



4. Enter your PIN.



5. Scan your finger on the fingerprint reader.



You will have to do this multiple times to give the scanner a good picture of your prints.

6. Click Add Another if you want to repeat the process with another finger, or close the program.

 

I placed my P65 order with HIDEvolution, and Donald was a great help throughout the entire process, answering all my questions.

 

Hey guys. My P65 screen was accidentally cracked by my littlle brother. I've contacted to MSI service and they will charge me $250 for a new replacement which I find its too high. So I'm looking a screen replacement on Ebay and Newegg and I can't find because they are all 144Hz (mine is 60Hz). I beg you guys to look at the exact screen model. Maybe I have to pay to MSI for sure but I don't know where they offer me the same model.
Please Help

 

Sorry to hear that. You didn't register the system within 30 days of purchase?
You can try look for the panel on eBay or Taobao.

 

I am considering this laptop after my XPS15 9570 is a complete mess.

What are the flaws/problems with this laptop?


Except for my XPS15 being broken (capped to 12.5W usage power throttling) I am looking to get my money back from Dell.
Other stuff that sucks is regular power throttle and fans continuously running 24/7. AND NO S3 sleep. Laptop is awake 24/7 and never sleeps.


Are these the same issues with the P65 creator white edition? Or do you have S3 sleep and can turn off the fans?

Does it come with a ton of bloatware? Then I guess it's like the Dell, a complete fresh Windows install from scratch is recommended

Read a lot about the flaws and dents in the white paints... That is pretty tacky for a 2000+ dollar laptop with cracks in the paint.
And I read that you get a Kingston SSD, which is the worst piece of crap you could buy hahahah why no Samsung 970 pro???

 

No particular order, imo
1) Price - seems to be slightly more $ (looking at 2500-2900+ fully decked out) c/w a similarly priced Dell when I was looking/similar spec'ed out, but I think it's subjective especially if you're gonna get good use out of it
2) Similar to the GS65 (read that thread, same chassis as you know), evidently it could suffer from some heat issues - although many people have either gotten around it with repasting, undervolting, underclocking etc. In my case, we had HIDevolution just install paste/pads and we've never seen it go above 75'C even running full graphic AAA games
3) 'White' - i guess you might consider that it could get dirty/scratch/etc but so far no problems from my standpoint, and it really is sharp-looking. Some GS65 owners say that have hinge problems - haven't seen this
4) "bloatware" - we had fresh install done, works well like any computer
5) SSD - we had installed a new 970 evo and a backup 860 storage but some $ here
6) Sleep - no problems so far.. everything shuts down on sleep and can awaken without problems

We looked for a while and felt that the white p65 was the best combination of being able to do productivity for college but also allow him (owner) to game.. i was looking previously at a surface book 2 (thought about waiting on a 3), an XPS as well (we own many other dells laptop/desktop), but went P65 (first MSI we've purchased) and are happy

 

Backup storage, that is the second m.2 slot right? Got my XPS15 (8750H, FHD, 500GB SSD) for a great price, 1600 Euro. The White creator is available for 2100 Euro in Sweden and that extra cash is definitely worth it if the laptop is reliable.

I have no issues doing undervolting with TS. Temps seems to be an issue with most laptops, the XPS15 the worst then followed by all the others such as Razer and MSI. But the fans, is it possible to get them completely quiet e.g. turn them off?

Thanks for the reply though! I am mainly using it for college too but want to be able to play some games, mostly counter strike and PUBG.

 

Yes, 2nd M.2 slot.. stuck in a 1 gig samsung 860... thought about external but who wants to carry around a buncha stuff
The fans have multiple settings so I"m sure you can fiddle with them from low to super high blast... certainly if the laptop is asleep they're off
I don't think you'd have any problems with CS or PUBG.. my son plays overwatch on basically ultra settings getting 90-100+ fps with temps < 75
I don't know if some of the companies on here ship to europe ( i would guess they do, since you can purchase worldwide warranty) but I'm not as heavy tweaker as you might be - just wanted it all in and done (drives, pasting, install, etc) so went that way.. if you can tweak yourself I think it's not too much of a problem... the only thing I remember reading is that the MB being upside down is a pain to tweak with internals..

One other slight knock and this is just me - i personally don't like the keyboard and response of the keys (son however who uses it has no problem with it)... I personally have an HP spectre x360 and I love that keyboard... the few times I"ve used the P65, I don't like the responsiveness/feedback - that's just me (I type 90-100 wps and still can on the p65 but just don't like the feeling).. might be worth trying out though before you decide

 

Damn son, 90-100 Wps is not bad I am.... not really up there hahaha I am just above average at 60-75 depending on the mood hahaha

The keyboard, from pictures online its hard to tell. But do you have any MEDIA keys? For music, back, pause, next? Couldn't find any. Like Macbook pro's have dedicated media keys and my dell and most manufacturers use the FN+ . Very useful for Spotify.


But running it on a daily basis. No issues at all with sleep, battery life or charging? Read it takes 2.5 hours to charge, obviously no fast charge there. And the fingerprint works fine? That's a thing I use a lot.


As I need a new laptop probably next week, this seems to be the best option and most bang for the buck. The Gigabyte Aero 15X is not available in Scandinavia sadly and Razer Blade har 800 Euro more for the same specs, although a better laptop.

 

Certainly depends on how much is on the screen but ya it is smoking with the 1070 maxq.. it's a pretty nice screen itself too even though it's 1080p.. you could debate whether the 60hz or 144hz on a screen makes a difference but I like it being 144 and i think they did a good job with it.. for reference I use the Dell 2716 g-sync monitor which I think it's a beaut. And I am one of those that don't think you necessarily need 4k on 13/15" laptop... I think it's more than adequate - my son's going into engineering hopefully, but he's into drawing/art and it should more than serve it's purpose

No obvious media keys like a macbook.. just your typical f1-f12 and fn+ with the control vol up/down, select monitor, turn on/off webcam, etc. Keyboard wise, regular placement of where i'm used to the del, esc, up/down/left/right arrows would be.. i don't like where the home/pg-up/down ones are, but i don't have to use the computer. If I can explain further (I pulled out my HP spectre to compare why, and the best explanation I can give is that the keyboard buttons feel higher (height wise, and the amount you 'push it down') on the HP.. seems like it's a lower button/not as 'springy' on the MSI, is all) - I didn't look it up, and maybe they are actually exactly the same, but from my feel, it seems more springy on the hp

No issues with sleep/battery/charging so far.. seems to get a full day of work with the overnight charge on it without having to recharge any while at school - the typical office productivity, watching videos, surfing internet, etc.. you definetly don't want to play without it charged in though.. on just battery if you're playing games you won't last much (i'd say 1-2hr) just like any laptop of this type. Fingerprint reader works fine for him he says. I would prefer windows hello (there's a webcam for goodness sake, which I"m used to on my HP), but the reader works fine too

I think if you can get one that gives you at least a return period (can try/return if you don't like), or with a small fee to return, it's best to just try it out too...
I'm not affiliated with any company, but I know both xoticPC and hidevolution I think both ship worldwide and have been in this thread... it might be worth looking at them... if you look back you'll see at least donald from hid worked with me on mine, but both representatives/companies seem to be great people from what i can tell

 

Hey man, I appreciate your time! Thank you so much

Hope to get rid of the Dell now so I can get this one instead I feel pretty much sold on the P65 to be honest.

I am coming from a few years of desktop PC's, used to be a heavy modder but desktops are not very useful for students haha But the lack, or rather difference in power is HUGE, especially when I am used to my Acer Predator X34. Going down to a 1080P 15 inch laptop is definitely a game changer.

 

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Hi everyone! I’m having a very strange issue with the GTX 1060 stuttering on an external display (via HDMI).

This is happening on my MSI P65 8RE laptop.

A little background info. I use an external monitor connected via HDMI with this laptop that I usually have in extended mode (if I’m working or for general use) and I switch to second screen only with Windows+P when I’m going to play a game or if I just want to use that monitor.

The stuttering/lag issue never (as far the pretty extensive testing I’ve done) appears when just using the laptop screen OR when in extended mode.

The issue only appears when the computer goes from laptop only or extended mode to second screen only. For example, this issue won’t appear if I set display to second screen only, then restart the computer so no “switch” to second screen only occurs while the computer is on.

So, here’s what exactly what happens when the stuttering/lag issue is occurring. Say I turn on my laptop and it is in extended mode since that’s what it was when I shut it down. I use the computer for a while, now I switch to second screen only.

From here there is stutter/lag everywhere (not just games, talking even windows gui). And this stutter/lag is weird, it is not sporadic, but consistent, it looks like frames are being dropped constantly so nothing, even minimizing windows, looks smooth.

Now I start up Oxygen Not Included (for example, 2D, not super intense game, a 1060 should have no problems with this) this game is set to use my Nvidia card instead of integrated graphics. Panning around the map/everything is stutter city. Now the weird thing is if I use FRAPS or MSI Afterburner to see the fps, it is at 60 (same readings as if I played it on laptop screen only or extended, except that would actually look like a smooth 60) but what you are seeing is DEFINETLY much lower. (I can take a video of this if it would be helpful)

Something I figured out that *sometimes* fixes this stutter/frame drops/lag is if I start a more intense 3D game or application that is set to use the nvidia gpu (this is where I get confused lol). Going back to that example, say I quit Oxygen Not Included because of the stutter, now I start a game like Fallout 4 and quit (I literally mean start it, get to the main menu, and quit without ever loading the game). Now there is a chance the stutter everywhere including the windows gui is gone, and if I start Oxygen Not Included all the stutter is gone. And even when it doesn’t fix the stutter, those games themselves do not stutter.

As i understand this is very old bug with no fix? Just return it to shop/service centre?

 

I have a problem with the touchpad. I have tried the official drivers from MSI's website and ELANs latest drivers. The problem is that a lot of the time when i touch the touchpad instead of clicking down in the left corner, the touchpad doesnt register it as a click. Anyone know how to fix this? It is so annoying!!