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Ok, I'll try one more time:

A straight answer, is OC'ing with non-vendor BIOS/vbios voiding your laptop warranty?

As in once done you no longer get warranty support on your laptop.

 

Let me ask you this.. What shop do you think I work for?

 

Really man, 3 times you've dodged the question now with unrelated material.

You are as bad as the customer's you were complaining about, avoiding answering the question

I don't really care about who you represent, but it is odd you say iBuyPower isn't who you represent, as that was added to your account name at NBR - to show who you represent.

You can answer it either way, as to if it's acceptable to OC using non-vendor BIOS/vbios or whether it voids the laptop warranty - from the point of your own view, or as iBuyPower, or as whoever you really do represent - which is who?

 

1: There is nothing to dodge.
2: That is your opinion, nothing more.
3: I do not represent them in terms of "fixing laptops", but I will ask what is the policy on this. Since I only just became part of their team.

4: As to this last question that has been answered many times before.
If you are a partner then you are covered. If you are not a partner, then you are not covered. When dealing with a premamod bios/vbios.
Each vendor is different. Reflashing a bricked bios by most can be covered depending on who you go through. Others it voids a warranty unless you replace the part out of pocket (This is at the company's discretion. If you get caught liening usually means it's not going to be replaced under warranty) . A Lot of time most will work with you, but making idle threats will get you nothing.
If it were my personal shop we will just reflash the bios or vbios with a factory one, but if you went and fried parts in your quest for overclocking higher, You are in fact liable for the parts being replaced. (And unlocked bios/vbios still has limits. And most make the mistake of making changes that you can not recover from. That's why it can technically be covered because it would get reflashed to a factory bios or vbios or new bios/vbios chip.)This is why I posted the parts I had to replace, because I was in fact liable, but that just completely went over your head.
And if the system is bricked there really is no fast way to tell what bios is on a board. Until the chip has been removed and put into an eeprom programmer. And then read. And then compared to a stock factory bios/vbios.

In reality more bios files have problems with being flashed or changes made than them actually fring boards themselves. So in my personal shop we would reflash it and ship it back under warranty. Provided that worked. If we flash it and it still won't boot or turn on, then you become liable because we will not test your board further. If the manufacturer decided to just replace the board, then you are covered. You pay shipping to and we ship back. (Because we are not dell)

 

Ok, thanks for the details

I wasn't actually even talking about the current Clevo Prema Bios for the P870 series, as the warranty is covered by the vendors that supply it.

I was talking about the MSI / Asus custom BIOS/vBIOS situation, where you have to deal with MSI or Asus, and they aren't as forgiving.

That's why I only recommend the "allowed / safe" OC'ing, within the realm supported by the vendor, if the vendor supports using a specific custom BIOS / vBIOS that extends your safe range

 

No problem.

Hummmm, well...With what I saw....MSI and Asus laptop testing is done in a pretty rugged way and done over a course of a few days time. That's why I'm thinking they are a bit more strict in policy. They didn't just slap it together and then throw it in a box. Those things sit on test benches for a few days, before being shipped out to customers. And when it comes to bios/vbios mods, they have some of the best, but refuse to let that filter into the laptops though. Due to heat and power requirements.....Speculation of course....

 

i have never gotten the hk to run that high its just not stable and yes -- it throttles and badly too.

 

but what if they do turn out to be flakey???????

 

Any news on the 1080 sli gt83? Benchmarks?

 

Been waiting for this as well...
Here is what this machine is up against for those that care about that sort of thing....
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_gtx_1080_notebook_mxm/

Those are the ones that are usually covered under warranty if they can produce the same flakey results you can.

Side note:
I know it's not an MSI, but wanted to show what stock did, before lowering the stock voltage. Someone may have gotten this part wrong because 1.43V on a mobile BGA low watt cpu is just crazy!

 

You return it to the seller, what else would you do?

Unless you waited till after the return period to do your acceptance testing, and found you had a flaky GPU/CPU or something else failing *after* the return period, then you are stuck working with the builder to do an RMA for repair.

You know, an RMA, that which you have avoided for 7 months+

 

donno what fun you get from those numbers but, oc cpu is good cause makes your system snappy, where as gaming can be done in medium/high quality as long as GPU allows it at a decent frame rate

 

@hmscott, @mason2smart

u two grabbing the gt83vr? cpu heatsink looks promising i tell u. you can run those 1080s in stock clock display is 1080p anyway, give priority to cpu cooling is the way to go!

 

MSI GT83VR isn't on the top of my list at the moment, lets see how the MSI trade-in offer, and MSI owners reports go first.

 

thing is u can only do trade in if one is planning to upgrade right?

 

I answered your question, I have nothing further to add until MSI announces their trade-in offer.

 

The hwbot link is why I buy laptops. Gaming can be done on a netbook. Or a 1k laptop.

The links with the Asus, was to show the problem with high temps due to a manufacturer error in what they thought the bios should be. The voltage was lowered in stages to show the temps going down at the same clocks.
The Timespy was to show a wimpy 6820HK right in line with a 6700k on the same bench.

Edit: Not quite in line but still with in range....Is a better reply.

And the Wprime was to show it can run at 4.3 ghz on all 4C/8T.

 

i'd have to recall from my brain cells, nope can't recall it.

thats a pretty good voltage for a bga chip at that frequency. i guess dependent on the user lol. btw that hexa core on hwbot chat, do u still have it?

 

I thought all the links were working for that post, but I think the top two were not. They are working now.

Nope, I sold that a few weeks ago. Had I known you were looking I would have given you first crack at it.

 

I have a bit of a noob question. I'm looking at using this laptop to drive a 1440p uw moniter when I'm at home. Should I go with the 1070 or the 1080 sli.

Also someone mentioned the 6920hq could be fiddled with. Is it the same way the 6820hk can?

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk

 

1070 Will drive a 1440p monitor, but that will also depend on the title you are running as to your fps average.
1080 SLI is if you really want to be able to run anything. Although 4k@60 fps can be a bit of a stretch for some titles. And you may experience severe input lag, but it will run 1440p no problem. I'll let you know on that in a few.

I think @hmscott has a bit of experience when dealing with the 6920hq or maybe it was the 6950hq. Not sure.

 

well my luck is always in the dump so im use to it

 

that would be great thanks, with the gt83 i have the options of the 1080 sli or 1070 sli...though i dont think the 6820hk is available in canada without the 1070.....

edit: also input lag? is that a new issue with sli/multi gpu?

 

The owners that had the GT80S 980 SLI with the 6920HQ were able to OC, but it didn't have the BIOS level settings like the 6820HK so they used XTU/TS for it.

IDK what MSI is offering in the GT83VR, but at least from the Intel side the 6920HQ is unlocked and available for tuning - unless MSI does something to stop you.

I'd wait for someone to get one in and tell us for sure, unless you want to take a chance - make sure you can return with out re-stocking fees.

 

i might just have too. my 765m flaked out in my g751jw and the intel graphics isnt fun. T.T

though to be honest if im paying 7300 for a laptop i would be happier with a 6820hk which seems to not be available in canada.

 

If you can OC both to 4.0ghz, they should perform the same, the 6920HQ runs 200mhz faster stock without OC, so that's convenient.
http://ark.intel.com/compare/88972,88969

The only lossage is the ability to OC in the BIOS, but hopefully MSI added that in the GT83VR... I guess you'll let us know

 

I'm gonna try. lol

though i think ken from gentech (citation needed) did a video on one and the bios didn't have that as an option....and 'm fairly sure msi puts the hammer on bios mods.

 

Oh yeah, Ken's video didn't show it in the BIOS, well nothing's changed then, it's XTU or TS - you might contact Ken and ask him to check if XTU / TS works - if the 6920HQ in the GT83VR is tuneable, at least you can verify that much.

Svet @ MSI forums does custom BIOS/vbios for MSI laptops, with a donation you can request specific things, ask him:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?action=profile;u=29469

Send him a PM, or find a thread he is in and respond, he has a tuning thread here, not sure if it's the current best place to reach him:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=148273.0

Let us know what he has to say

 

afaik the 6920hq is locked on the intel side. its as locked just like any other hq/mq chip made in last few years. all the "locked" intel chips let you bump them up by 2 bins on core multiplier (and also usually cache), but they are "locked" (as in you cannot set multiplier higher than 2 bins) [ i briefly discussed this with ken @ gentech on the phone before getting a refund partly because of this issue]. afaik it has been this way for 2+ generations now..even the older haswells that were mq series could be pushed up 2 bins in this manner...here is my i7 4700mq bumped 2 bins on cpu/cache via xtu. this is why usually manufacturer wont provide any special bios..bios would be effectively limited to +2 bins so cant really be "unlocked" all the way..in other words..custom bios per SKU which is not likely..





if you can provide evidence to the 6920hk chip being unlocked beyond +2 multipliers it would make me happy and it may change my mind about a product i previously got a refund on... but effectively intel's definition of overclocking chip is one that can be pushed more than 2 bins either in xtu or bios..and those are k series or hk..

2 bins is definitely NOT what JohnKss would call overclocking , by any stretch

 

Here are a couple of posts about the GT80S 980 SLI 6920HQ:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...us-owners-lounge.785384/page-34#post-10174395

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...us-owners-lounge.785384/page-18#post-10162628

IDK about the GT83VR...

 

that just confirms what i already said which is you can get 2 free bins on xtu with any chip including 6920....doesnt mean the chip is not locked...2 free bins and unlocked chip are two different things....you maybe confusing it with another issue which is older versions of xtu did not recognize the 6920, so for a short time it seemed like you could not even get 2 free bins.... but afaik that was fixed with a subsequent xtu update..so my request still stands...please find me something that shows 6920 can be pushed up more than 2 bins..this is actually pretty clutch to this thread, since the gt83 sku with the 6820 is actually 300 dolllrs cheaper than the sku with the 6920 (unlocked chip is cheaper!)....

 

@DILLIGAFF if you would mind the request could you share the specific sku number please? i have been trying to check and every time i go into the spec sheet i find that its actually a 6920hq.

 

I gave you 2 posts that you can follow up on, read the thread posts around them, PM them for specific questions, and learn.

@ryzeki 's post said both the 6920HQ and 6820HK have unlocked TDP's.

 

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT83VR-TITAN-SLI-6th-Gen-GTX-1080-SLI.html#hero-specification

sku 1 : https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT83VR-TITAN-SLI-6th-Gen-GTX-1080-SLI.html#hero-specification&sku_no=1734

sku 2: https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT83VR-TITAN-SLI-6th-Gen-GTX-1080-SLI.html#hero-specification&sku_no=1733

detailed pdf sku 1: https://us.msi.com/pdf/nb/GT83VR Titan SLI-069.pdf


detailed pdf sku 2: https://us.msi.com/pdf/nb/GT83VR TITAN SLI-024.pdf

locked sku with faster chip is: GT83VR TITAN SLI-024

unlocked sku with "slower" chip : GT83VR Titan SLI-069

 

Not many 6820HK's are stable above 4.0ghz, which is what the 6920HQ can also do, so in that respect, with the unlocked TDP, they are both close enough to call it even.

If you can spin up a 6820k to 4.2ghz, it's a miracle, and likely not game stable.

Maybe just enjoy them for what they are instead of trying to screw with them past their design spec?

The GT83VR is already running hot, why unlock the TDP and pull it apart to get it to run past spec?

You aren't going to see the benefit in games, and tearing apart the laptop isn't gaming, it's screwing around with the hardware.

If you want an endless futzing around with hardware experience, get a Clevo

 

there is nothing to learn there..ryzeki did not say they are unlocked, ryzecki said "other users swear", but there is no evidence anywhere of a real overclock beyond 2 bins....i dont even need benchmark runs , just show me that someone booted a 6920 beyond +2 bins..betcha you cant find it cause the chip is locked

 

@DILLIGAFF: thanks, also very interesting....the only sku available for the gt83 seems to be the -024.

@hmscott: well for me the clevo's seem to be a lot harder to get here, well from a reputable reseller it seems. plus the gt83 has more appeal.

 

newegg has both:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...er=BESTMATCH&Description=gt83&N=-1&isNodeId=1

its the 2 on the left ..200 dollar difference currently

 

Thats the american site..BUT a quick pop in to the newegg.ca site shows the same. also THOSE WHERE NOT THERE WHEN I LOOKED LAST.

 

oh canada!
with he leafs sucking, the least they could do was give you guys the good laptop sku's....
they should know they need to push the laptops to sale before hockey season starts..after that only a good sale will make em sell...

 

LOL. well I need to play my NHL 2k17 on something. maybe playing on the gt83 will give those leafs a chance.

 

My GT80 SLI 263 had a 5950HQ, and it was able to be tuned to 4.0ghz stable for gaming. I was able to get it to 4.2ghz for some benchmarks, but it wasn't game stable.

The Skylake 6820HK has also been able to run at 4.0ghz for many, but not all, it's not guaranteed it will tune to 4.0ghz, and neither would the 6920HQ be a guaranteed tune to 4.0ghz, but you can try when you get it.

The 6920HQ is out of the box 200mhz faster than the stock 6820HK, and from my GT80 experience I can tell you the stock speeds are enough to game with.

If you are looking for a tweekers basket of parts paradise, go for a Clevo, you can have fun spending hours and hours pulling it apart and putting it back together again to get 1c-2c cooler.

I never needed to re-paste my GT80 SLI-263, it ran cool and quiet out of the box, and still does.

IDK about the GT83VR, it's only review from @GenTechPC is running hot and noisier but not as hot and noisy as the Clevo.

It's a bit early to commit to spending that much money. I would wait for more user reviews, and look at the GT73VR 1080 single and GT73VR 1070 SLI as a possible alternative to either 1080 SLI laptop.

 

Dude, the GT83VR will *melt* the ice, but then again so will any 1080 SLI laptop...

 

Well you know what they say about the leafs...they look good till they hit the ice. lmao

also i have begun to do so. i think someone was going to check on how 1070 sli worked on 1440p uw for me but i may have misinterpreted that.

Edit: Spoke to a gentleman named Q937 about the 6920hq and this is what he said "I've only owned one system with it, but it was able to hold 4.0@1.25V easily. From what Prema says, they are theoretically unlocked if the BIOS supports it, but otherwise the max official multiplier is 40x with 4 cores"

 

Brother@Johnksss@iBUYPOWER isn't the only person that would not call it overclocking. Nobody that appreciates the sport would call it overclocking. A limit of 2 bins is really pathetic. Might as well not even bother and just leave it stock if that is all it is good for.

Real PC enthusiasts actually enjoy tinkering to get the most from their beasts, just as hot-rodders do. I was able to lower my overclocked CPU load temps by around 20°C and 4.7GHz as a daily driver overclock with two P870DM-G was an easy accomplishment. If all a person is looking for is click-and-go gaming one could save several thousands of dollars by going with an XBOX or Alienware Alpha. People that need to rely on the OEM to get everything right are probably better off with a console. They are less likely to be disappointed.

 

John, or anyone for that matter, can you elaborate a little on the comment above about severe input lag with 1080 sli at 4k 60fps?

Someone asked about it, but there was no response.

To me, as a prospective buyer, this one little issue, if true, is infinitely more important than all these pages of talk about OC'ing and voided warrantees and how the 6920hq compares, as important as all those issues may well be to people. In fact, it is so important that it would most likely disqualify the 83vr for me, as 4k capability is one of the main reasons I would be willing to shell out 5000usd for a laptop, at least in this day and age of Pascal. (And by 4k capability, I mean without severe input lag.). I do understand that the 83vr won't be up to all titles at 4k 60fps, high settings, but I was under the impression that it would be up to the task with some. I had been assuming that those titles it would be capable of running at 4k 60 fps, it would be doing so without severe input lag.

Thank you to any and all who can shed some more light on this. Thank you!

 

When I spend money on hardware, it's because I expect a certain performance out of the box from that hardware.

If I have to tear hardware apart to redo the job of the company that built it, then I would be acting like an idiot for doing that, and for buying that hardware in the first place.

I would be taking on the responsibility for the performance of that hardware, and absolving them of their responsibility to deliver functional hardware. That's not going to happen.

Excusing that crap workmanship by saying it's what enthusiasts are all about makes them all out to be idiots, suckers wasting their money on something that doesn't perform.

I don't put up with such workmanship in the hardware I buy for business, if it doesn't work - they don't get paid until it does.

I'm not out there whacking on the hardware getting it to perform, they are.

And, you can bet that after you reject a large hardware shipment due to QA faults once, they don't pull that crap again.

You're letting Clevo off too easily.

 

Hopefully this will shed some light....

 

No, LOL You don't get it for whatever reason. If you honestly expect for anything to be done in an excellent manner by any OEM you're truly living in a dream world. You certainly wouldn't be an idiot for tearing it apart and doing it over the right way... you'd be an enthusiast that isn't willing to accept ordinary consumer grade stuff. What refusing to take it apart to redo it better would makes you is an ordinary consumer that is willing to settle for what they give you. Since it is sporting an ordinary consumer notebook CPU, because that is all they sell, that might actually turn out OK if they are meticulous enough to dot every "i" and cross every "t" in the assembly process.

One of the reasons that maybe you don't get it could also have something to do with your hardware selection. I'm not being critical, just realistic. A BGA CPU running at or near stock clocks doesn't require drastic measures. If it was unlocked with enough TDP to be awesome and capable of achieving the same overclocking results as a K-series desktop CPU, nothing MSI currently does would be adequate to handle that. They would have to do things differently.

So far, the only notebook vendor offering an enthusiast product that even makes an effort to do it right (to the best of my knowledge) is HIDevolution. For a fee they offer a delid and Liquid Ultra. The fact that they understand what needs to be done and are willing to do it sets them apart. Kudos to @Ted@HIDevolution and @Donald@HIDevolution for daring to do things better than the status quo. If Clevo customers buy it somewhere else, they're going to have to do it over if they plan to run their machine harder than stock, or run it stock when they are not using something like AC cooling to keep it in check.