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    ***The Official MSI GT83VR Titan SLI Owner's Lounge (NVIDIA GTX-1080's)***

    Discussion in 'MSI Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by -=$tR|k3r=-, Aug 13, 2016.

  1. Rothcall

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    Trying CD in legacy mode again while waiting for the download to make the bootable usb again (i keep needing this thing, i should probably just dedicate a usb drive to it already...)
     
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    That's why I keep multiple recovery image USB's, and put them in different places, so if I need to cannibalize one in an emergency, I still have another backup.

    I also keep the original boot drive on a shelf so I can pop it back in in an emergency to make another boot recovery usb drive :)
     
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    Got it booting now in UEFI having had used the USB version of the recovery and a install of the intel RAID drivers during the windows install, fingers crossed thats the last of the problems ><
     
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    https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extr...81679666&sr=8-7&keywords=sandisk+extreme+32gb
    They read at 245MB from a usb 3.0 or higher drive. :)
    The write speeds vary from 50 to 190MB.
    I have about 10 of these in different sizes.
     
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  5. Rothcall

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    Is this graphics score normal for the 1080 SLI? http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/16667318?

    Not sure what im doing wrong but it seems no higher than the 1070 SLI earlier in the thread i found
     
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    The GT83 has crashed several times while trying to enable nV surround, requiring to be booted into safe mode to even start, and then uninstalling the drivers with DDU before trying again. changing any external screen resolution or color space causes a second black flash on all screens and the setting will reset, then setting it again causes more flashes but then the Apply button actually saves it. Also i seem to loose ~5000 firestrike points when going from 3 separate screens to the combined nV surround one once i finally get that working
     
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    Anybody overclocking theirs? How?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  9. Rothcall

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    Do i need an active USB-C to HDMI adapter? i noticed the screen connected via the USB-C is extremely slow to respond to a new signal after going standby
     
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    Is that at stock speeds? Make sure the 1070 SLI score you are comparing is also at stock speeds. As I recall he posted OC results too.

    You are well ahead of my best on my GT80 SLI-263 980m SLI :)
    http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/5708173/fs/11076393

    Check against the top 1080 SLI scores on Futuremark, and be sure to find the MSI Corp results, the Clevo results are higher, you need to scroll down a ways to find the top of the MSI results :)
     
  11. Rothcall

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    @hmscott the one i posted was non OC. I later got it to 44k graphics, but after a decade's worth of crashes while trying to fix the monitor setup, it dropped to 39k with the same overclock
     
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    If you has display driver crashes you need to reboot to be running at full speed, the Nvidia driver drops speed after resetting.

    It takes some practice to tune the OC. Make sure you do it adjusting one thing at a time.

    First do the GPU or CPU tuning with out changing the other. Tune for best CPU speed while GPU is at stock, and then tune for best GPU speed while CPU is at stock speed.

    When tuning the GPU, tune the Core clock for maximum first - test and tune, increase or reduce until stable, then reduce back to stock clock for GPU Core and then tune for maximum VRAM speed.

    VRAM speed is tricky, as it will be flaky - not provide improvement in performance - well before causing a display driver crash. Usually if my Max VRAM is say for example +300, I will run at +250 - backed off a bit to make sure I am running well outside the display driver crash stable speed.

    Then after you have all 3 individual max's found, then put them all into play to see if they are all stable running together.

    Good luck :)
     
  13. hmscott

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    Looks good to me :)

    " Today we have a chance to test that theory as PC Specialist has delivered its Vortex VI laptop which combines dual GTX 1080s with a desktop Core i7-6700K, which is slightly faster than the mobile chips at 4.0GHz/4.2GHz and has double the TDP at 91W."

    Slightly faster for 2x the TDP, gold :)
     
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    @hmscott it stays at 39k even after a restart, isnt quite like the GT80 either where a display driver crash halved the performance or more. Something about the GT83 doesnt like changing external display settings. Could it be that it traded a DP out for a USB-C out? im using a C to HDMI cable, should i buy a DP splitter and try that for surround?

    And again this is 39k down from 44k with the same OC
     
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    Do you have the Global 3D settings tuned? Change the Power Management from Adaptive to Prefer High Performance. And, try Single Display Performance and Compatibility, besides Multi-Display Performance.

    And, yes, checkout other interfaces too :)
     
  16. hmscott

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    Which release of Nvidia driver are you trying to use, list all the ones you've tried, there have been lots of problems with recent Nvidia drivers, try going back to 373.06, which I think is the last one before most of the complaints started :)
     
  17. Rothcall

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    Been using 375.70 and 376.19. same score with single display performance, lemme try high high performance mode. 3Dmark seems to report the memory clock is only about 100 more than stock when i have it set to +300 in dragon center
     
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    Check the threads for support here on versions of Nvidia drivers, and also at Nvidia for feedback from owners - to tell if your problems are reflected in their comments:

    nVIDIA GeForce Drivers 376.33 Findings & Fixes
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-geforce-drivers-376-33-findings-fixes.799334/

    nVIDIA GeForce Drivers 376.19 Findings & Fixes
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-geforce-drivers-376-19-findings-fixes.799000/

    nVIDIA GeForce Drivers 376.09 Findings & Fixes
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...09-findings-fixes.798716/page-3#post-10401593

    And, Nvidia does the same, opens a new Feedback thread for each new driver release:

    GeForce Drivers
    https://forums.geforce.com/default/board/33/

    There could be self adjustments in the Nvidia driver for tuning - try going to +350 and +400, look for corresponding increases in the running speed :)
     
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    Got it to 40405 with high performance mode, still unsure why its ~4,000 less than with the displays in not-surround mode. Ill try the drivers tonight
     
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    Generally, we specifically turn off all fancy modes and features, services and apps, during benchmarks.

    So if the feature is using CPU / GPU resources on top of the normal benchmark / game testing, it will draw down the performance and result in a lower score.

    Look for the options in the OS / Nvidia that reduce performance, and disable them when benchmarking.
     
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    Hello everyone :)!

    I have one MSI GT80 TITAN (970M SLI), overall it runs pretty cool with almost any game and applications, but when the fans go up to 80% or more it comes a little bit noisy and disturbing in some cases. So i tried a few laptop coolers but nothing seems to be "powerful" enough you know?. I did a deep research and found a way to make a powerful one and i make a video about how to build it.

    Here's the link...


    If you have any questions please let me know! :)

    Thanks a lot.

    Sivirax.
     
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    Anyone get numlock to work? I have v19.0.22.4 driver, v8.1 firmware, straight off of the website. I have no option in my settings panel for tap zones.
     
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    please share a screenshot of your settings panel.
     
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    Just had a VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE (nvlddmkm.sys) BSOD with the GT83, hoping its not a hardware fault... gonna try a few potential fixies between power management modes, not overclocking, registry edits, checking BIOS settings, and firmware updates, if none of those can fix it, should i send it in for RMA?
     
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    Try all of those, and factory reset in the end (don't forget to back up your data).
    If problem persists then request for a RMA#.
     
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    Got those failures with several laptops when new - might be immature drivers; almost never when time passes.
     
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    hey ken, how many SATA 6Gbps slots for m.2 are there? aside from the two SATA 6Gbps 2.5"
     
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    Waiting for the next crash after some fixes, forgot to bring up but occasionally i get these heart-stopping blorps of video lag, like the GPU is suddenly slowing down or somethings hammering the CPU suddenly, is there a known fix for those? I remember something about the Killer software causing lag, might it be that?



    EDIT: Also forgot to mention, i think the BSOD only started after trying a driver update? But i cant remember. It Bluescreened again and now im trying a DDU reinstall of the latest drivers
     
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    Its official:
    7820HK is coming with the new refreshed titans. Cant wait
     
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    Where did you read this? Link please?
     
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    Try reverting all your drivers to the ones on MSI page. You could also go back to recovery discs if you burnt them or start with a clean Win10 install. Try disabling driver updates for like a day or two and see if you have any problems with stock drivers. That error you mention generally is caused by graphics drivers. Do you have the BSODs under heavy load? If so, it might also be a thermal problem. (Inadequate cooling, bad thermal pasting etc) Turn off any overclocks and reduce the shift mode to economy or green to check.
     
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    So ive now tried putting the stock SSD back in, now before i can even get to the other issues, its opening windows explorer on boot despite all the stuff the guides on how to stop it from doing that says to do are done.\

    EDIT: culprit was desktop.scf or something, was found in ccleaner under scheduled tasks
     
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    <30min into game and crashed, not a BSOD but a dx11 hangup.
     
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    Im afraid if i RMA it it's going to be denied as a "cannot reproduce" or "software issue" and withheld for weeks to months for nothing
     
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    If you can easily reproduce the symptom, record and upload it to youtube.com and send the link along with your letter to RMA.
     
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    try my other suggestions and also monitor GPU and CPU temperatures while playing with something like MSI Afterburner.
     
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    In theory it will work if the voltages and pinout match the current PSU offering. It is unlikely MSI will confirm this because it is out of their own products and they would need to test it to fully declare it "official" and it would be used on such a low userbase they might not want to do it.

    This is where users come in and test. While in theory it will work, we won't know until someone has it and tests it with full load and all.
     
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    True enough. I think eurocom and HID sell gt83's I think I should venture over to pester them...though that might be a bit kicking the hornets nest.

    Edit: the Pinout looks identical and I'm looking at the voltages and they seem similar enough.

    Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk
     
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    It should definitely work then. The laptop itself just wants power, and I don't think it cares where it comes from :)
     
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    True but you never know msi might have put a sneaky thing to check for the converter box. Though I gotta say taking this thing out in the bag the first time I have to be smart how to pack. the bag is big but not endless.

    Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk
     
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    I doubt an MSI rep or engineer is gonna bless using that on an MSI computer.

    Check the output voltage of it, and compare against your 330w PSU output voltage.

    I think they should be compatible, but keep a fire extinguisher close by, and do the testing in a well ventilated room, away from flammable materials.

    At $500 it's a pretty big commitment... but it looks like a precision instrument, if so it's a bargain.
     
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    I can't recall if when dealing with voltage if you multiply it by the number of supplies. I have the dual 330w supplies.

    Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk
     
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    Voltage is the same, whether you use 1 330w or 2 330w through the adapter - they are connected in parallel, not in series.

    "In a series circuit, the current through each of the components is the same, and the voltage across the circuit is the sum of the voltages across each component. In a parallel circuit, the voltage across each of the components is the same, and the total current is the sum of the currents through each component."

    Series and parallel circuits - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Series_and_ parallel_circuits
     
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    I'll have to check when I get home I think it's the same voltage. I'll take a picture as well.

    Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk
     
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    I think the new 780w is a bit "hot", a few 1/10's of a volt higher than the 330w is rated on voltage output, from memory, but there is a safe range and it should be fine.

    The 330w for MSI and Clevo are the same connector, which is why we could share the PSU duplexer / adapter for dual PSU's.
     
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    GPU temps ~60-70 in game, CPU peaks at ~80 package temp. Trying disabling some system services including the MSI SCM and MSI ActiveX ones
     
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    Those temps look not bad, maybe CPU could be just a bit lower but nothing too obvious there in my opinion. Do you have any non stock items, SSD, RAM, any other settings etc? While idle on desktop, do you have high CPU usage or other unusual Disk, Network activity under performance tab of Task Manager? While gaming, could you try pressing the full power fan button and see if it crashes like that?
     
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    is there a 7820HK version of gt83vr? msi refreshed gt80 line so much i think they might drop it all together and next thing we know, even GPUs are soldered..
     
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