The Official MSI GT76 Titan Owners and Discussions Lounge

I have no idea. It would be great if it can be disabled via Optimus. But honestly I do think this one is here to stay. There had to be something bad huh?

 

I'm 100% sure that 'Optimus' "can" be disabled in the unlocked Bios. Every MSI Laptop with switchable graphics can "disable" it. Notice the quotes. The problem is that's useless if you can't get a *DISPLAY* after disabling it--e.g. if the onboard GPU doesn't have any display outputs. If you disable the iGPU or switch Primary Display to PEG, you'll get a black screen and will be forced to clear CMOS.

You can even enable the iGPU in the GT73VR and GT75VR (without switching the MSI GPU Mode to iGPU) and then set the primary display to "Switchable graphics" (SG). --This requires you to forcibly unlock the option via FPTW64 dump and AMIBCP 5.02.0031 or .0023; the hidden menus won't show this option (since it is useless on the GT75VR). It works in the bios just fine, but you get a blackscreen when you boot to windows, because the GT73VR doesn't support rendering from the dGPU to the iGPU, and even though the iGPU is enabled, it isn't the render device. The iGPU only becomes the render device when the dGPU is electronically disconnected from the system (Either removal, or through the Bios/SCM or EC RAM register F1). You'll notice if you switch to iGPU as the display device on the GT75VR and GT73VR, the PEG 0:1:0 Port in system agent says "Not installed" even though your video card is installed.

 

Hey hey, just took a look at the teardown/bios video for the gt76. I noticed in the video covered the ability to adjust cpu voltage/memory timings/powerlimits/amps. Can you confirm whether or not there are options to manually set the dram voltage, vccsa and vccio? Also, Is it possible to delid the 9900k and run it direct die? Have you put it through the test/bench gauntlet yet with liquidmetal? Looking to get a full idea on temps etc compared to a desktop build with similar cooling.

 

Just pulled the trigger on this one with gentechpc. Changed the raid to raid1 on the boot drives, they will apply liquid metal on the gpu and cpu. Can't wait! Will probably be able 2 weeks from now when I receive this beast.

Can anyone post bios videos and other reviews? Also, the concept of running all cores at 5ghz is not clear to me. What would I gain from "locking" the cores this way? Will it not reduce the life expectancy of the system or cpu. ?

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Any idea if this laptop & converter box is compatible with the Eurocom 780watt power supply?
https://eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,404,0)780WACDCAdapter

 

The 780W AC Adapter has a different plug/port so will not work on the MSI GT76 Titan.

 

Will the GT76 benefit from Intel Optane NVME SSD's?
The motherboard seems to have Optane support ( link here) but I wasn't sure if it automagically means that the laptop version that comes with ANY laptop supports it. Probably yes, but let me know what you think..

Cheers,
JD

 

I managed to pick up the GT76 from HIDevolution yesterday on Friday. I've installed the 960 PRO and 860 EVO from my old system and am currently in the process of transferring things over! So far, I'm in love with the system and cannot wait to play some games on it! Thanks to @Ted@HIDevolution for assisting me with the purchasing process!

 

cool, congratulations. Could you put the tests in games with monitoring msi afterburner (indicators of frequencies, temperatures, CPU utilization and gpu) so that we can evaluate the performance of the cooling system and the laptop in general

 

Here is a screenshot of MSI Afterburner's HW monitor after 1hr 30min of playing Dead By Daylight @ 1080p 144hz, high settings. Keep in mind that the laptop is running in Comfort mode and that my room is pretty warm here in California, so temperatures will be higher. The TIM was not replaced and is thus OEM. The fan curve for the CPU and GPU were slightly modified (fan in mid-range CPU temps were lowered, higher fan speed than default when CPU is in high temp; the fan curve was slightly increased as well for the GPU when it starts to get on the hot side... about 70C+).

 

Would help if you used celsius, not fahrenheit. No one measures computer temps in F anywhere.

 

Ok, I changed the screenshot in the last post. I'm in the U.S. so I'm habitually used to using Fahrenheit for temperature units.

 

Yeah I am also, but everything dealing with computers is dealt with in Celsius now. Fahrenheit, at most, is mentioned as an afterthought if you're lucky. Even Intel, an American company, publishes all of their spec documents for TJMax/Tcase/Tjunction in celsius, as well as many other companies. It's just best to just do things standardized (Celsius and metrics).

 

I meant this, but thanks

 

Oh I see, no problem. I provided mine like that because you can see the history of of clocks, temperatures, etc. which would allow one to better discern the stability and effectiveness of the cooling system.

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Why in the love of $DEITY is your CPU at 95ºC playing LoL?..

 

This is not my processor. Photos just for example

 

Would you mind showing us temps @5ghz on the cpu in cinebench r15, xtu benchmark, aida64 full stress test and the most intense game you own? Looking to get a solid idea how the laptop thermals are during heavy loads. Did you get this laptop pasted with liquid metal?
Also curious on the tolerance level of the IMC, What speed ram are you running?

 

Hello, and a quick question about cabling. What Thunderbolt 3 cable is best to use with my external monitor? the monitor supports 165Hz and I assume displayport is the best way to use this refresh rate with GT76. Correct?

Can someone link cables that will be good for Thunberbolt3 --> displayport? I see lots of confusing descriptions like "usb-c, thundebolt 3 compatible" but that doesn't tell me it can go beyond 60Hz refresh rate.


Thanks in advance!
JD

 

Thunderbolt 3 will provide you with plenty of through-put as well as powering your monitor, it offers the most throughput on the consumer market right now. Display port will also work fine. In regards to good quality cables, you'll have to do the research on that, I only use the official thunderbolt3 cable that came with my external monitor + a cheap extender thunderbolt 3 extender cable. I'm not sure which cables are the best.

If you aren't using the monitor with a laptop, just go display port as powering the monitor through your motherboard viaTB3 puts extra unnecessary wear on the motherboard over a long period of time.

 

Thanks gt83vr6reHelp! the full details are I already have a monitor with display port that I will use (total of 2 external monitors). But the main monitor I want to game with is the 165Hz. It has a displayport too, and I think the free port I have to work with it is thunderbolt3 from the MSI GT76.

Question to anyone - can you recommend and link a TB3 --> DisplayPort (not mini) cable ? thanks all in advance!

 

Sure, will get to those probably near/on the weekend. I am planning to re-paste the CPU and GPU with some Noctua NT-H2 and replace the thermal pads with Fujipoly Extreme ones. I hope to see a few degrees improvement in thermals at least. I did not get this laptop with LM and left it stock when I got it. Same goes for the RAM that came with the system, which are 32GB Samsung modules, running at 2667 MHz (edit: to clarify, there are 2x of them, so 64GB total).

 

Definitely an interesting system. Its Achilles' Heel is the fact the the part most likely to fail (GPU) is BGA and integrated on the motherboard. That eliminates any possibility for an affordable out-of-warranty repair or GPU upgrade. Be sure to get the longest warranty possible in case the GPU dies before you are done using it, and to enhance resale value. If you don't want to spend the money for a 3+ year warranty, might not hurt to find out the MSRP for a motherboard.

I snapped this image from this YouTube video.

 

So here is the link to the imgur post for the results of the benchmarks: https://imgur.com/a/bhqFy2O
XTU/HWBot results: https://hwbot.org/xtu/analyze/4192651

The CPU definitely does run really hot, so hopefully a re-paste will help resolve that (bad paste job maybe?). Cooler Boost was running as well to provide the best stock results. Turbo mode was activated in Dragon Center, with a 5GHz all-core OC. Also, with regards to the topic of Optimus, the GPU does route through the iGPU for the main display. However, when connecting my external 1080p 144hz monitor through miniDP, it reports as being connected to the RTX 2080 instead of through the iGPU, which is nice to see.

 

you need to delid your processor, and apply liquid metal under the cover. This can give you 10-15 degrees of difference.
Video title translation "Solder is s it"

 

Wow she runs hot. You should delid if you can, re-paste with liquid metal, consider forgoing dragon center and manually tune the voltages/overclock in the bios because more often than not msi laptops pump more voltage than required. The combination of these things will probably chop 10c off max temps under full load.

 

Have you played AAA games on this machine yet? If you have, have you noticed any meaningful screen tearing, particularly at the highest graphical settings? I'm asking because MSI chose to forego G-Sync on the GT76, and I'm trying to get a handle on the impact this has on the gaming experience, if any.

I've always had G-Sync on my gaming laptops, so I'd appreciate hearing any views from experienced members on whether they think this is strictly necessary for AAA gaming, both now and with a view towards "future proofing."

I fell in love with the idea of the GT76 as a gaming laptop, and put in an order a couple of weeks ago, but since then have been having some second thoughts and have put a temporary hold on my order, pending some more information, especially after learning of MSI's decision to not include G-Sync and, to add insult to injury, to replace it with Optimus.

The more I think about it, some of the design choices on this machine only seem to make sense if MSI were attempting to appeal not only to the gaming segment, but also to the "creator" and/or high-level productivity segments. Consider:

-it's the CPU that is replaceable, not the GPU
-the lack of G-Sync would not be as big an issue for those intending to use the machine first and foremost for creator/productivity activities. They might even like the idea of Optimus.
-conversely, the slimmer profile and the quasi-Apple, relatively more minimalist silver design highlights would appeal to many of the hipsters in those segments, but they are achieved at the expense of ditching the mechanical keyboard of the GT75, which IMO most gamers would prefer even if it meant an incremental increase in thickness. (I would choose a slightly thicker machine with a mechanical keyboard in a heartbeat.)

OTOH, the full-blooded components in the GT76 (the desktop 9900k and the 200W RTX 2080), along with what looks like a very, very powerful thermal dissipation system, are still really attractive, despite the other compromises, so I'm hemming and hawing a bit at the moment.

Another question: are there any other new/refreshed designs for desktop replacement machines in the works for the foreseeable future? Clevo's models are becoming dated now, as is the ASUS G703.
Any chance that those makers are going to come out with something over the next 6 months to a year?

 

Yeah, I uninstalled Dragon Center since it messes with XTU and other voltage/power settings. The only downside I see is that I cannot easily set the charge limit for the battery now (last set to 80%, which is fine), and would prefer there to be a standalone program for it. I do not see any current need to run the i9 at 5GHz on all cores, so I keep it stock. I re-pasted a couple days ago and temperatures seem to have barely improved, maybe a couple degrees at most. While gaming, I found that what helped the most was elevating the laptop so there was at least an inch of space below it, causing temperatures to drop by a minimum of 6-7°C! Without the extra spacing, the 2080 would heat up to 86°C and start throttling. With the spacing, GPU temperatures would drop to 78-82°C. For the i9, it only dropped a few degrees as well and to less of an extent because the game I was playing (Dead By Daylight) was mostly utilizing the GPU.

I have played BF4 and BF1 on it. I really do not notice the screen tearing, and even if I do, it does not bother me at all and I have to put in some effort to see it. If you are really concerned about tearing, then at least the external display outputs are directly connected to the RTX 2080, allowing for a G-Sync monitor to be plugged in.

 

Hi guys, I was wondering if this machine has 10Gb Ethernet? We have the GT75 8RG and it has 10Gb Ethernet which is useful over cable network. But on the homepage of MSI they do not mention 10GBe at all.

 

also it'll be foolish to buy a system so outdated. 10 core from intel is just around the corner in 4-5 months, buying 8 core + a bga GPU while a socket change coming up is like paying just to get crippled.

i give you $3000 so please hit my knee with a hammer as hard as you can!

 

such a shame, 4 big fans, large CPU heatsink the way i like it, individual heatsink too. then BAM soldered GPU way to ruin it MSI.

 

Yeah, 1 step forward and two backwards. But still better than what Alienware did with the newly released m17 R2 (welded on ram + WiFi card).

4 Big fans? I have only seen 2 bigger on the rear side + the 2 small in front. Btw... Have you see the Cpu temps?

 

My model (GT76 Titan DT 9SG) only has 2.5Gb Killer ethernet.

I did realize that this wasn't the best time to be buying into a machine like this, but I needed a powerful system to replace my desktop within a relatively short time span since I will be more on the go for the time being. I could not wait for the next-gen Intel or Nvidia to come out, which, as you noted, would take a minimum of 4-5 months to be released. The 2080 and 9900k are still top performers and I'm happy with them. This system should easily last 4-5 years before I decide upgrading again.

 

I'm in the same boat as you are @HyperStryker . I needed something powerful, that was going to last me a while, and I needed it now (my desktop died on me, and I'm becoming more mobile anyways). I think it was you that asked about the Adata XPS Pro, I'm getting 2851.4 on Seq reads, and 2563.5 on Seq writes (PCIE 1 slot). It's good enough for me that I ordered another instead of the evo plus (cost savings). I just got mine today, so I'm in process of checking everything out, getting drivers in place and loading up games. I'll have some more benchmarks for people that are interested.

As to the folks that are like "X will be better", there will ALWAYS be something better just around the corner. It's tech, that has always been the case. So far, I'm very happy with what I was able to purchase and while I know there will be something better and this has its warts, it should hopefully serve me well. Good luck with whatever it is that you purchase.

 

Thanks for all the helpful info everyone. I'm considering purchasing one of these tonight, but a few quick questions I haven't seen answered here or elsewhere online from users that OWN this laptop currently:

1) Which laptop bag or carrying case are you using for your GT76?

2) If you had to estimate, how much battery life/time do you get when not plugged in and NOT doing any sort of heavy gaming?

3) Is there anything you wish you know about this laptop prior to making the purchase?

4) What question did I not ask that I should be?

Thanks again!

 

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Unknown at this time. I'll find out at some point this week though because it's info I will need for when I'm traveling. If I had to guess, I would say 3-4 hours web browsing/coding in notepad++.

I really wished I would have had decent benchmarks numbers to see, both synthetic and real-world for stuff I use.

Personally, my biggest question I kept asking was "Is this worth the price and will this be a good fit for what I want to do with it". I have a better handle on that question now, but I still have a lot of testing to do before I finally relax with my purchase.

As a side note, there are a lot of smarter people than me in this subject, maybe they can chime in.

 

This was super helpful. Thank you!

 

The 10 core isnt coming to laptops not anytime soon this thing cant even keep 14nm 8 core cool
A 10 core 14nm would be even worse!
When the 10nm releases then itll be better for cooling more cores

 

Agree that we are a long way from 10nm (not to be confused with 10 cores) laptops. Moreover, Intel announced that the 1st generation of their 10nm will be 4-cores only, and great for thin/light laptops, not for gaming just yet. 4 cores only at first means later during the year you'll see the cores evolving. It's a long long time (my guesstimate - 2021) before 8+ 10nm cores are available for laptops.

I saw lots of sources re. Intel's roadmap. Here's one example:
https://www.techpowerup.com/257283/intel-comet-lake-not-before-2020-ice-lake-s-not-before-q3-2020-roadmap-suggests https://www.techpowerup.com/257283/...ce-lake-s-not-before-q3-2020-roadmap-suggests

 

So since this has soldered graphics, can the WT75, which can accept a 9900K, use a MXM 2080 card? Or only quadro Pascal models?

 

Eurocom doesn't offer it https://eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,452,0)TornadoF7W

 

those 2 smaller fans are still pretty big in size.

no. because they will just make another laptop that will house the 10 cores. also, no doubt MSI will likely reuse that same chassis and heatsink maybe tiny bit modification, you can count on it it'll be in a similar laptop form factor.

WT75 should be using GT76 chassis with exception a MXM socketed GPU. CPU heatsink in GT76 is actually quite a bit more than p570wm in terms of capacity.

 

Question to owners - Gentechpc just told me they updated my BIOS to version 106. This is great, but turns out the option to do mirror-raid is grayed out at 106. They could only choose raid0 (stripe) which I do not want/need.
Can you check your BIOS version and let me know if the option to raid1 is available? they will ship the laptop to me today, so trying to learn about the issue before I receive mine.

 

I am on UEFI version 103, dated 6/12/2019. I do not see raid 1 as an option at all (only other option is Recovery), even in Intel RST in Windows 10. Quite odd, since usually it is present on Intel.

 

Thanks HyperStryker, my GentechPC contact just told me MSI responded to his query, and confirmed that a near BIOS update is coming with RAID1, RAID0 and RAID5 support.
Good news!

 

Good to hear! I manually updated my UEFI and EC last night to the latest version, and I am glad I did! The fans are a lot quieter on startup and don't rev like crazy like they used to.

 

Just a heads up, I got an email from MSI Marketing last night about a $150 mail in rebate for the GT76 - it seems like you may only be eligible if you had previously purchased a GT model in the past, but a $150 rebate isn't bad if you were planning on buying anyways.

Link to rebate PDF

 

The WT75 can take Pascal GTX or Quadro cards. The RTX cards used in the GT75 changed form factors and are physically incompatible with the WT75 - the GPU would interfere with the LGA socket.

The WT75 should be able to take a MSI GTX 1080 (pulled from GT63 or GT83 or Tornado F5) but you would need to completely remove the motherboard to change standoff locations and then also get a Quadro P5200 heatsink as a spare part.

If you are interested in a WT75 Provantage sells a 17A5 barebone without OS / Storage for $2400. With the 9900k dropping in price and used GTX 1070 availability it could be decently cheaper than the GT76 base model if you don't need RTX.

 

Where did you see it say:

" it seems like you may only be eligible if you had previously purchased a GT model in the past"?

I don't see that in the rules below or the fine print on the PDF:
http://event.msicomputer.com/GT76MIR/US_NB_89047.pdf

" Purchase any of the following products and receive a $150 rebate card by mail

Amount UPC Product
$150 824142188361 GT76 TITAN DT-006
$150 824142190005 GT76 TITAN DT-039
$150 824142190029 GT76 TITAN DT-040

How to Claim Your Rebate card:
1. Purchase any of the products listed above between 07/19/2019 and 08/31/2019.

2. Go to msi.rebateaccess.com and enter the promotion number 89047.

3. Fill out and print the registration form for this promotion.

4. Cut out and enclose the ORIGINAL UPC barcode label from the product box in its entirety, including the serial number barcode and QR code (not the UPC barcode from the shipping box). See image on this form.

5. Enclose a copy of the sales receipt or packing slip dated between 07/19/2019 and 08/31/2019 indicating your purchase.

6. Mail all of these items to the address noted on the registration form. Submission must be postmarked within 21 days of purchase and no later than 09/21/2019 in order to qualify. Do NOT use this form for submittal as it is for instructions and information only"

 

Here is the image from the email that linked to that PDF. No idea if they are checking if you had a laptop registered in the past or not, but the wording seemed to indicate they might. Either way the actual form doesn't mention it. I wonder if HIDEvolution could verify this rebate applies to anyone through their contacts.