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Ok wow this helped immensely. Thank you for the recommendation! It's mildly frustrating all the tweaks you have to do these days just to get full performance. My old Win7 tower kicked ass the day I built it and turned it on. I'm driving a 3440x1440 ultra wide monitor so I need to squeeze as much performance as I can. My thermals never seem to exceed 76C thanks to the HIDevolution re-pasting so I may dabble in some GPU overclocking in the future.

 

I am so glad you are pleased!

Squeezing this much horsepower into a little box does take good tuning. Our "Secret Sauce" to tame the temps involves more than just the Grizzly Conductonaut + Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads and Bottom Ventilation Mod upgrades. The other blend of ingredients comes standard when you get the Thermal Material upgrades.

 

You are welcome ^^ I wish I knew about hidevolution a year ago when I bough my gt72vr from a local shop... Now I am all on my own with troubleshooting aside from the extremely lovely people on these forums! But since even Phoenix has issues with the new drivers, I think everyone is affected (so am I). I raised the issue with msi and nvidia but nothing is happening as I am just an individual. It's sad. Older drivers give me bsod & black screen issues when the display turns dark to save power as per windows power settings - if I disable that, no issues. All the drivers available for this laptop are a mess imo and I wish nvidia or msi did something but I can't do anything beyond submitting my feedback to them.

 

Yeah but MSI sets it to 179 by default. The reference value for KABY LAKE is supposed to be 1.80 mOhms and for Coffee Lake 2.10 mOhms. But this is for LGA processors on desktop boards. But we're dealing with BGA cancer here. Now it's possible the referenced Coffee Lake value over on the Asus forums is a mistake by Raja (the Asus employee), after all, 8700K can be used on Kaby lake boards with modification, but someone needs to find the intel technical documents. In fact you know Intel DOES have an 800 number. Someone could call them and ask for engineering reference documents for the IA Loadlines. Won't be me, however. I already put in my time.

 

Thanks for the detailed explaination, I think though I will stay with AC/DC set to 1 and not mess with it.
When HIDEvolution support walked me through changing IA AC/DC loadline to 1 in the BIOS, he also had me change to static voltage of 1.250v, that's what you see in the screenshot. who knows, maybe MSI will correct the AC/DC default values in the future so customers wouldn't have to fix it on their own.

 

The default values are designed specifically by Intel. MSI has no say in this.
But these values are designed to work with ADAPTIVE voltages. It's made for automatic adaptive voltages.

On desktop boards, when using STATIC voltages (override voltages), this setting is ignored, because static voltages directly affect CPU VCORE rather than VID and the IA AC DC setting thus gets ignored,, so the IA AC DC loadline setting does not affect the manual vcore setting.

the issue with MSI isn't even this.
It's that they use loadline calibration to compensate for vdroop, when the IA AC DC setting basically already does its own "vdroop compensation" itself by boosting the VID by a certain amount of resistance at full load (IA AC), and then having it droop back down to prevent overshoot (IA DC). On desktop boards, "Loadline Calibration" is used to compensate for vdroop, and usually LLC is disabled when using fully adaptive voltages. so you can see where the problem can occur. You basically have the Intel designed boost/droop setting doing its own voltage droop/compensation, then MSI's own loadline calibration setting also doing it, so then the IA AC setting boosts an already flatlined voltage curve, causing it to 'Jump' at full load.

This is why for example, Vistar Shook's 7820HK on an eVGA laptop needs 1.50v set in the Bios to do a 4.9 ghz cinebench run, while MSI' (my sample) needs 1.38v to do a 4.9 ghz cinebench run, yet his temps and my temps and power draw on both chips is basically identical. His eVGA doesn't have an internal loadline calibration, so his 1.50v voltage gets drooped down ant load (probably to around 1.35-1.40v), AND his eVGA also ignores the IA AC DC =auto setting when using STATIC VOLTAGES (it basically acts like it's set to 1 and 1 already), while MSI uses 1.38v and auto compensates for the vdroop (AND also needs IA AC DC loadline set to 1 manually to prevent voltage BOOST).

 

Has anyone been able to locate a detailed GT75 Titan 8RG dissasembly guide? I've searched everywhere and can't find what I'm looking for... I would think there has to be something out there that details how everything is assembled. I've seen some pretty crappy videos and I understand how one would perform a board flip, but I'm looking for other minor things. Right now for instance, all I'm looking to do is replace the right button on the touchpad. I dont feel comfortable trying to pry it out and would like to know exactly how it is connected if I can avoid a full teardown for such a small replacement.

 

GT73VR Titan Pro disassembly video but they should be very similar:

 

Thanks, Phoenix. This is definitely helpful for some other tinkering I'll be doing. Any thoughts on that touchpad button? I have trouble believing if you wanted to fix/clean a jammed button or replace it, that it would require a full disassembly... I was hoping it would be able to be removed like a keyboard key.

 

It requires a fully disassembly to reach to it. I would strongly advice you NOT to do that unless you are really comfortable dismantling taptops.

 

MSI GT75 Titan (Intel 8th gen + GTX 1080) Gaming Laptop Review
MobileTechReview
Published on Jul 11, 2018

Spoiler: Details...

The massive and powerful MSI GT75 Titan 8RG is one of the largest and coolest running 17.3” gaming laptops on the market. It runs Windows 10 on your choice of the 8th gen Intel Coffee Lake 6 core i7-8850H or the Core i9-8950HK processor and it has NVIDIA GTX 1080 8GB GDDR5X dedicated graphics. The notebook is available with a wide gamut full HD 120Hz display or a 4K 60 Hz display. This is one of MSI’s highest end gaming laptops and it has a SteelSeries mechanical keyboard with per key RGB backlighting, strong audio with a 5 watt subwoofer and S/PDIF audio support, Killer 1550 WiFi, Thunderbolt 3 and a 330 watt power supply. We look at model 056 priced at $2,799, and our review loaner was supplied by XOTICPC.com, a reputable online gaming laptop retailer that also offers upgrade services.

 

Here's a video I watched before purchasing. Was one of the deciding factors for me.

 

Anyone knows how to monitor rpm fans with msi afterburner or hwinfo64? I cant find any info how to show in laptops…

Perhaps that not able to do this in laptops...only can check rpm fans with dragon center.

 

You can use silent option tool.
Any other option with afterburner is not working.

 

There is any official download with last version?

 

Ok, i installed last version but im not able to monitor the rpms with msi afterburner :/

 

That's what he said, it's impossible with afterburner. And silent option is not officially supported for 8th gen cpu's. You will have to wait if someone else responds who runs it where they got theirs and/or what they had to do to make it work. Right now you are stuck with dragon center for that (tbh silent option does not provide anything extra - e.g. if you are looking for rpm's in OSD that will never work). If you want to monitor rpms in real time while gaming your best shot is to link your dragon center to the mobile app.

 

Niiiice, thank you. That is exactly what I was looking for!

 

Just updated the latest Dragon Center driver and it no longer displays my GPU. Anyone else have this happen and know of a solution? I can use afterburner and other programs for this I know, just kind of dumb feeling like I lost something instead of gained something from an update.

 

Try this link, it may not be officially supported but it still works...

 

Me too, i installed the dragon center 2.2 and the gpu stats not show in the app, even in my iphone says "NA"...

 

Hi everyone,

I have a rather unique situation when my system arrived in the msi true color 2.0 software there was a 100% adobe rgb option. After a clean install due to a gpu overclock configuration oversight that has been identified and corrected the 100% adobe option in msi true color 2.0 is now missing. How can I restore/re enable this option? Also i'm looking for a copy of the factory Image for the msi gt75 titan 8rg so that i have access to a out of box factory setup if anyone can upload this id be willing to pay for the effort and i'd host the image for other owners of my same system. Thanks in advance for your time.

-Bionicfreeze

 

I made a backup using the burnrecovery software the day it arrived... But I am not sure if it already has my password on there which I would not like to share
Also I never had 100% rgb option I think, was your display precalibrated? Anyway true color allows profiles to be imported and exported so if someone else has it they will be able to share.
If Phoenix or Falkentyne can tell me what the burnrecovery actually backs up I would be maybe willing to share.... as I don't know if I logged into any accounts on edge then, if the main windows password is backed up etc. Also, would he even be able to use it since his system drive was probably formatted? I mean it has like 20 GB so not sure what that damn program backs up, doesn't seem like an entire system image (which everyone should be making regularly - as I learned recently from some failed driver updates!).

 

Yeah they removed the partitions did a clean install that they provided but missing adobe rgb 100% assume its because my display was calibrated

 

Since my problem with GT72VR about BD-Prochot, i got a new GT75 8RG with 8750H and GTX1080...MSI refund my money.

I not have any throttling issues with this machine at stock settings, the only problem is the noise of the fans, so i was able to do some tweaks:

1- 170 mv undervolt on cpu with Bios settings, stable in idle and extensive gaming

2-Repasted both cpu and gpu with Noctua NT-H1

3- 0.900V max voltage in GTX1080 with clock at 1900MHz always in games

4- Custom fans profile in dragon center, in cpu and gpu, the last 3 settings i put 46% just to avoid the fans going more than 3000rpm...more than this you will notice the noise and i like playing the games with laptop speakers.

After this im ok now with this machine, from what i have seen in market, on high end laptops, GT75 laptops still the best machines about cooling solutions.

 

Also, still using dragon center to just check fans rpm in game with app on phone...since there no other option avaible

 

Well... guess I am happy my tips helped with the gpu temps? You're welcome.

 

Your tips had helped yes, but even with your fans curve, the laptop still with many noise, i had to low more a bit 20% 34% 40% 46% 46% 46% in cpu and gpu.

Since i have all cores in 3,9GHz even at 75/80ºC, i dont care...power/temp throttling not is anymore a problem in my laptop and with values of 3,9GHz stable and nothing below 1900MHz in gpu...im happy xD.

You got also that problem with dragon center 2.2 not showing gpu temps?

 

Yeah newer dragon center doesn't show gpu stats. I guess it's colder in your room? In my room it's 26 to 30 degrees all the time now so I rather have the fans higher. Or maybe the noctua paste does a better job than gelid who knows, sadly it's not available here and importing isn't worth it imo.

 

You tried select gtx1080 as primary gpu in nvidia options and then install again dragon center?

Even the GT75 not use igpu and dont even have a switch button, maybe the problem have a relation with that to not show stats of gpu...

Dragon center 2.0 works fine, but i need at least version 2.2xxx to work with phone.

 

You can't "select it as primary"... there is ONLY the gtx 1080. I think it was possibly removed from dragon center because nvidia had issues with some of the drivers where gpu monitoring utilities caused microstuttering but that is just my guess. Or because the gpu's run too hot and msi doesn't want people to know haha. Who knows, but it might come back in the future. I use afterburner to monitor temps and frequency anyway.

 

What gt75vr-8rx still installing sizing option?

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As far as I know that app isnt available anymore. But dragon center has dpi settings integrated and I just tried, everything seemed nice and sharp. A bit too big for my 1080p display tho haha.

 

You not have anymore GT75VR in this 8th generation...they just call GT75...

 

@Djadit About your question, you only have dpi feature about sizing now.

 

I have a
MSI GT75 TITAN 8RG
Core i9 8950 HK
GTX 1080
32 GB RAM
512 GB SSD IN RAID 0
1 TB HDD
Stock thermal paste
Stock thermal pads

So basically when I'm using Throttlestop and i set my voltages to static it hangs after clicking apply does anybody know why is that

Please help


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What voltage did you set in throttlestop? Did you set CPU cache and core to the same value?
And do not even think about using STATIC voltages unless you want to be +150mv overvolted over your static voltage at full load. Only use static voltage if you set core IA AC DC loadline to 1 and 1 first.

 

I have set my ia ac dc to 1
Cpu vr to 800

So basically even if i keep the values to zero for cpu cache and cpu core
Even then it hangs after i press apply
If i keep it adaptive it doesnt hang at all
all i have to do is click on static and apply it hangs

First i tried a -50mv it hung so
I got it down to -20 mv and it still it hung
So i just tried to reset the value and just set it to static n see once i clicked apply after resetting the value it hung again

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It's hanging because you're setting ZERO VOLTS to the CPU. At least if I'm understanding you right.
of course it's going to hang.
You can't make throttlestop use the 'cpu default voltage' unless it says "DefaultV", but once the voltage is changed, the original default voltage is lost until you reboot the computer.
You need to manually specify a voltage. Like, 1.200v or 1.250v.
I would not exceed 1.25v unless using liquid metal and I would not exceed 1.30v even with Liquid metal on any 6 core BGAbook except for short bench runs.. Clevos can handle it with their better cooling. This can't.

What happens if you specify 1.250v for CPU core and CPU Cache?

 

So, I've been laptop hunting off and on over the past two years. I've had multiple purchases that flopped for one reason or another:

Asus GL502 Strix: The Optimus implementation was buggy and caused issues in games with flickering
Surface Book 1: Power Issues
Dell 15 9560: Massive QC issue, as the palm rest got to hand burning levels within 2 seconds of turning it on
Surface Book 2: More power, but still not quite enough. Likely thermal/power throttling I'm guessing
Razer Blade 15: Microsoft's Sales & Support teams lied to me multiple times, this got returned before being opened
Alienware 17 R5: Got cancelled before being shipped, Dell's sales team pulled some horribly shady stuff on me so that their sales guy could get a commission on the order, invalidating my near $400 EBates promo

So yeah. Not been a fun experience at all for me. But I really want a gaming laptop that I can carry around my house so I can hang out upstairs and game, sit out on the porch and play, etc. Also to take to friends' houses for lan-based gaming. Don't need it to travel for work, since work supplies us with 13 inch Macbook Pros. So after a bunch of research, and talking with the pretty awesome Donald from HIDEvolution, I decided to go with the GT75 Titan, the i7 version. My girlfriend has had a GE62 Apache for a year and a half now and has used it for her main gaming machine (Primarily WoW) and has had no issues with it.

But yeah. I ordered this and am joining the team. I'm planning to stick with this one, because I can tell that Donald and the team over at HIDevolution actually seem to care about me as a consumer and want to help me find the right product for ME, not just try to sell me on something that isn't a fit so they can make more from me. After some horrible sales experiences, I really appreciated working with the Donald over the past couple of months. And now he hopefully gets to have me and my multitude of questions out of his hair!

Looking forward to getting this in a couple of weeks and using it for years to come!

 

One question that I just thought of -- I plan to add in some storage myself after I get the laptop, but I was wondering -- would the laptop support 3x 860 Evo M.2 drives and an 860 Evo SATA drive? I'm not quite sure after a few friends have seemed to say that it may not. But from what I've read, it has the ports available for it. So I want to make sure I don't buy the wrong drives and such!

 

You have 2x M.2 combo slots to use nvme or sata m.2 ssd and one nvme slot.

 

If i specify 1.250v for both then while I'm doing aida64 system stability test it starts thermal throttling
At the start the values are like

Cpu clock 4291 mhz
Cpu°c = 85-89°c
Cpu core 1 °c = 69 - 80 °c
Cpu core V = 1.280
Cpu package W = 92 - 93

And after some time

Cpu clock 3291 mhz
Cpu c Is = same
Cpu core 1 °c = same
Cpu core V = same
Cpu package W = 85 - 86


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Right.
You're using stock paste. Of course you're going to thermal throttle.
I would not stress test at 4.3 ghz on stock paste on 6 cores. You will overheat.

I would stick to 4.1 ghz on stock paste and keep it there. If you when you learn how to use liquid metal paste SAFELY, then you can probably go quite a bit higher.

 

Hmmm but if i keep it on default without changing settings in ts it doesn't thermal throttle and i get a score above 1400 in cinebench r15

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Sorry, i can't help you, then.

 

As was already answered before, just for clarity: no you will not be able to use 3x 860 m.2 sata drives, only 2. The 3rd slot is nvme-only (it also shows clearly on the picture of your setup you uploaded ). There are some nice samsung nvme drives out there (MSI even uses them from factory like in my laptop), though they are a little more expensive than sata ssd's. You can safely pop a 860 2.5 inch ssd in the 2.5 inch slot tho!
I hope you the gt75 8rg doesn't disappoint you, but well.. with the repaste from hidevolution it shouldn't ^^

 

Thanks for that! I called and made a slight change to get the NVMe 970 Evo from HIDevolution and get it in the PCIe only slot. Then I can add in the SATA only drives later.

And yeah, I expect I will have no issues here with this from all the research ive done. Between getting the i7 version and the repaste, this should stay nice and cool!

 

Hi, willing to repaste the GT75VR 7RF and change thermal pads as well. 0.5 mm or 1.0 mm is better? thank you