Thanks mobious. Various ways, but easiest is hook an hdmi cable into a 4k tv and run the test here: http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates
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Correct me if I am wrong, but 60hz 4k requires HDMI 2.0 and thats what I am able to output to my UHDTV.hmscott likes this. -
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It's more convenient to also have the bootable flash drive.
You can put that original drive back in and boot from it to create the flash drive, so you are still ok.
Then you can swap drives again and restore to the new drive from the bootable flash recovery drive.
Sometimes vendors put the recovery partition on the secondary drive, so make sure that is in there too when making the flash recovery drive.DukeCLR likes this. -
I also left the secondary drive as it is so I'll check that one too. I'll put an order for a USB drive to follow you suggestion. .
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I have had people come into the forums complaining that they didn't do this and their boot drive just failed - after a couple of weeks of ownership, sigh.
You want a good fast 32GB USB 3.0 drive as it's the drive speed that makes the restore's go so much faster.
Here is the one I used for my GT80:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...re=patriot_stellar-_-9SIA3AR40E1245-_-Product
I did my flash recovery drive creation while I was still at the retailers site, and initially I tried a 16GB drive, but the software came up and said I needed a 32GB drive, so I got up and went to the shelf and bought the 32GB and 64GB versions while in the store
Sometimes some drives won't boot even though they pass the create phase, FYI.
That's why you never do a test restore to your original drive, if the restore fails your drive will have already been reformatted by the restore program,and you then can't try to create another flash recovery drive - the recovery partition and original OS are *gone*, another ouch situation.Last edited: Sep 15, 2016DukeCLR likes this. -
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I just got done repasting only my GPU with Aeronaut. I am seeing very slight decreases in temperatures.
The only game I ever play that overburdens the 1080 on this thing is Ark (not because its oh so pretty, but its poorly optimized, even then I'm almost always over 60FPS anyways)
Before the repaste my GPU would always (I mean always) sit at 85C at which point I believe it throttled (not 100% sure on this, but fairly certain). After the repaste my GPU sits at 82C - 84C when OC'd in Ark, 79C - 82C in Sport, and 79C - 81C in Comfort. I have never once seen the GPU hit 85C since applying the paste. But that is probably to minimal benefit.
If you're not playing something that runs hard like Ark it's probably not worth the repaste. Heck even if you are it's probably not worth it, I do get a bit more FPS thanks to it not throttling anymore, but it is a pretty small increase that I don't have the exact numbers for..
If you want to do it just cause though, its not bad, I return to idle temps obnoxiously fast now and have absolutely no worries when OC'd. And the cost of the Thermal Paste is pretty negligible. For peace of mind I'm happy with the decision.
Getting into the case is pretty easy, 4 screws in the corners, 1 in the center. Pop off the bottom (careful, I snapped a clip on mine). From there unscrew the GPU Fan's 3 outer screws, then unscrew the heatsink in the order it says, make sure you got all the screws along the pipes and then just ease it off with some controlled pressure. Once off you'll just have to thread the fan through the pipes and bam, all ready.hmscott likes this. -
Got my GT73VR-017. When I booted it up and saw ZERO light bleed, I was all smiles.
The screen is beautiful. I immediately made a USB Restore flash drive. Took a little over 18gb on a 32gb stick. Uninstalled some bloat and then did some tests.
1st run, default sport setting.
3D Mark - http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10174461
Temps - https://s10.postimg.org/fvlr4f5jd/Temps.jpg
2nd run, Turbo mode
3D Mark - http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10174530
Temps - https://s13.postimg.org/5j8bpej5j/Temps_2.jpg
I can barely hear the fans running Fire Strike. I love this laptop! I just have two complaints. The front is too high. The edge digs into my forearms when I'm trying to type. I'm going to try and put some shims under the rear feet to try and tilt the front down some. Also, the keyboard lights don't come on until after windows boots up. I would rather it was like my old Dell and came on when the laptop was powered on.
btw .. @GenTechPC put IC Diamond on the CPU and GPU. Thanks Ken!Last edited: Sep 15, 2016DukeCLR, Kirenaj, GTVEVO and 1 other person like this. -
You can't use a 16GB USB 3.0 flash drive any more on the MSI flash recovery backup because it grew 2GB past the end of the 16GB drive, and the next size up is the 32GB!!
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If I installed a different 120Hz display into a GT73, like the AUO panel that Clevo is using, would it automatically have G-Sync?
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It's the Clevo that's shipping a non-G-sync 120hz display and a non-G-sync Pascal GPU...
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http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/5697742/fs/5708173/fs/10174461/fs/10174530
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Your idle temps are 6-10c lower than mine, but your max is about the same.
Your results are sligtly better, but maybe the paste job does it.
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Finally got around to ordering mine today, should get it tomorrow!
I went for the GT73VR 6RF-035UK.
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Is the G-Sync capability in notebooks tied to the display, the GPU, or both?
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If you order a 120hz non-G-sync panel you get a non-G-sync (internal display) GPU, and even if that panel gets certified you would need to have an arrangement with your vendor (in writing I would suggest) that says they will swap the GPU and panel for the G-sync versions when available.Last edited: Sep 16, 2016 -
So I'd have G-Sync, as soon as the screen becomes certified, since the GT73 has a G-Sync 1070. Cool.
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The GT73VR has *already* been shipping with some models including the 120hz G-sync display and GPU.
No non-g-sync display will come with a G-sync GPU, pay attention, you can't ship a non-g-sync display with a G-sync GPU.
If you get a non-G-sync display, it will have a non-Gsync GPU.
A non-G-sync GPU is one that won't do G-sync on the internal display, but will do G-sync on an external display.
If you have a non-G-sync display, and that model has a certification pending, it will ship as a new model number -xxx that won't be what you have.
Your non-G-sync certified display will *always* be a non-G-sync certified display even after the new model panel comes out as a certified G-sync panel.
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Bruv, I have no idea why you think we're saying different things.
If there's ever a G-Sync certified version of the AUO panel,, it will work in the GT73VR.
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That makes sense, but I'd look for an even better panel to come out later, live with what you have and let the panel guys work up something better.
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I'm still waiting for Notebook Check to get the new Clevo in for review.
The screen I'm actually sweating over, is the 1440p 120Hz screen I'm hearing the new Alienware 17 is going to have. It's already G-Sync too.
But MSI isn't going to give me a GT73, remember that.hmscott likes this. -
I don't think any/many GT72S owners are going to want to "downgrade" to the GT72VR after MSI gutted it. So a GT73VR 1070 single GPU sounds like a more fair trade-in.
That's what I meant, there are other panels to consider, like the 1440p, that might become available down the road.Last edited: Sep 16, 2016 -
This laptop is incredible.
Got around to repasting it with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut (pea for the GPU, line for the CPU) and here's the result (Turbo mode on to 4ghz, GPU clocks were not changed) : http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10184827
Max temps with the cooler boost on were: CPU: 55C, GPU: 58C. I could push it even higher if I wanted to but I'm perfectly content with that result lol. Dropping the clocks down to 3.8ghz gave me a result of 17043 which is still pretty damn good and I think that's the clock rate I'm going to stick with for daily usage / gaming.
Now let me warn you lol, the thermal paste that MSI uses isn't that great. Same test with stock clocks (no overclock) netted me 65C on the GPU, 58C on the CPU. So quite a nice temperature difference there but the worst part of it was removing that paste. The CPU wasn't too bad but the GPU heatsink was just awful. I tried 70% isopropyl, 91%, 99% and even after a ton of rubbing (and quite a lot of cotton balls, qtips, cotton pads used) there were still remnants of the old paste. That stuff was caked on so hard that I just couldn't get rid of it all. I did the best I could and then just gave up and said **** it this is ridiculous.
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Full firestrike results for comparison:
Repasted 4ghz CPU (17264): http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10184827
Repasted 3.8ghz CPU (17043): http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10184786
Stock paste 3.8ghz CPU (15674): http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10184579
Best totally stock everything (15133): http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10135373
Worst totally stock everything (14098): http://www.3dmark.com/fs/10087660 <- not sure what happened with this test but oh well.
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Repasted 3.8ghz CPU - Fans set to auto (16595): http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14891182
Max CPU temp: 68C, Max GPU temp: 76C.
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All of these were run with all my normal apps running in the background (steam, b.net, skype, etc, total of 107 processes lol) so no "close everything for max results" testing here lol. I just can't be bothered.
I use the NVidia desktop drivers btw. It makes absolutely no sense since the drivers are 100% identical (and I've tested this 4 times now) I get a decent increase (300-400 points) by downloading the desktop setup file over the laptop setup file. I have absolutely no idea why this is the case but all my testing shows that it is so take that as you will lol.Last edited: Sep 17, 2016SoldierRBT and Atma like this. -
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Great job now throw in a bit of overclock and post the results. Show us what's possible.
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Yes, that's right, leave the MSI paste on. Deal with the slightly higher temps than can be gotten by enthusiast paste.
Why? Because the MSI paste is tough, and will last for years - giving the same thermal results. Stable operation for many years, perhaps well past it's useful lifetime.
They design their paste so that the owner *never* needs to attend to the paste, and neither do they. It's meant to withstand time and the elements returning a stable operational and functional performance.
The enthusiast pastes trade off longevity with their thinness and frailty of form.
With enthusiast paste you need to keep reapplying it on a regular schedule. To keep the same performance you need to redo the paste as soon as the temperatures start to rise.
If you gain a lot of experience, you may figure out how to apply the paste sparingly so as not to expose the edge of the paste, and how to apply pressure to the join such that no edge is bare to the air, but with flexure the join will move and open itself up to the air, no matter how good of a job you do.
MSI's tough paste is formulated to be exposed to the air without drying out.
Desktops have it much easier, there is little movement of the case and flexure of the board and CPU / cooler join is rare, so it can last a long time.
Laptops live in a different world, one of constant movement.
Pick a laptop up by the edge with one hand and you can hear and maybe even see the entire chassis flex - along with most everything else inside.
Someone recently asked why major laptop makers use crap past instead of the best paste.
It turns out, they already do just that, they use the best paste for long life without requiring constant re-pasting.
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I haven't used Clevo paste, you might ask someone that has had a Clevo for years without repasting if the temperatures are stable.
The Clevo's, at least lately, haven't come out of the factory with stellar thermal performance, but it seems to not be the paste but the hardware - the heat plates are warped or become warps, the thermal pads aren't top notch, and the fitment suffers for all of this.
Look at @Meaker@Sager 's recent series of posts on re-doing the P870DM3 cooling.
ICD seems to work best for Clevo's looser tolerances as it fills the gaps, whereas the thermally better Liquid Metal can't fill the gap so it's not recommended unless you get the fitment to tighter tolerance.
I don't know what MSI and Asus use for paste or if it's even available outside their operations, but it's worked great for me. I have never needed to repast any of my laptops while getting excellent performance for years.
You could ask the builder to run some benchmarks or burn-in software before re-pasting to see what the staring temperatures are, pick something free and easily downloadable, you may not need to have it re-pasted if it's a good build job from Clevo.
If the temps are too high, then approve repasting (don't let them re-paste without getting your approval) and ask them to re-run the tests and email you the results for comparison - sometimes it takes more than 1 attempt to match or better the original results.
If temps are still too high after the 2nd re-past, it might also indicate some problem other than paste, like thermal pads (see @Meaker@Sager 's posts for details) or a warped thermal plate.
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Thanks a lot man! Very useful info.
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Received mine this morning, looking forward to having a play with it.
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Just found out that gt73vr has a TN panel, not a IPS?
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"FEEL THE 120HZ DIFFERENCE
Screen tearing and jitters are a thing of the past with the all new 120Hz IPS level panel with 5ms response time. The ultra fast refresh rate lets you react instantly to your game giving you a true MSI gaming experience."
120hz is for the 1080p display. Not sure what the 4k display is.hmscott likes this. -
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For all those who are skeptical about g73vr titan TN panel. I used MG279Q as main monitor once it appeared on the market , and i saw also this 120hz TN+film panel 2 hours ago, and can tell you that is an amazing panel with awesome angles and 8bit colors,it's not like cheap panels on budget laptops.
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- 17.3" FHD (1920x1080), IPS-Level 17.3" UHD (3840x2160), IPS-Level 17.3" FHD (1920x1080), 120Hz, 5ms, Wide-View
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MSI should be happy my frist priority is silent gaming.
I'm a god dam IPS freak, so I'm torn between this and AW.
But AW will be like Clevo, noisy.hmscott likes this. -
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I was fairly sure it was TN when I looked at it from the side and the colors washed out. No one should have said it was IPS. However, I wouldn't send it back because of it. If I'm trying to do something looking at it from the side then I'm too drunk to be using it anyway. It's still a great TN panel.
Only problem I have had is keeping Skyrim from crashing due to Nvidia driver stopped responding. No problem with Doom.
*edit* I changed my setting from Sport to ECO and now Skyrim works fine.Last edited: Sep 17, 2016
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