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ok so I spent waaay too much life on this forum recently and it seems all of the laptops have serious defects.. Blade throttles like fck, AW15R3 is already famous or it's factory screw up, Asus GL502VS is a flamethrower.. long story short. I have looked at many and I have come here to see if the big momma tank is a reliable machine. I understand basics like repasting and keeping it on cooling pad and clean and I wan a machine that will last like 3-4 years with proper care.

So dear owners of the Titan (1080GTX ver).. Comment and enlighten me

Also which screen would you recommend? 1080 or 4K? Both have G-sync so 4K looks tasty as even low FPS will have smooth picture...

Thank y'all!

 

I was gona post about the latest driver release from nVidia, don't update but I'm little late, Nvidia latest drivers are adversely affecting video memory speed and GTX 10 series models among those hit hardest

Just uninstall the latest drivers (use DDU) and grab the Nvidia drivers from MSI Support page, you will get the 4K back.

I've 1080 model, with pre installed drivers, even didn't update to latest drivers from MSI Support and played many latest games without any problem (Ultra high setting with no dropping FPS),

 

Problem is some latest games complain MSI driver is too old. Example : BF1

I owned gt72s with a 4k non-g-sync screen and now got 120Hz 1080p on gt73vr.
I prefer the latter. 120Hz makes it buttery smooth!

 

Well I would have been able to comment had Amazon not lost mine on the way to my door this week. I have had two Alienware 17R4s returned due to light bleed and have spend a lot of time on this forum and others like you and come to the same conclusion. I have gone for the 1080p as the 17R4's I had were 1080p and the screens could be clocked to 100hz which looked great. Hopefully I'll be able to review later this weekend.

Fingers crossed, bad luck runs in threes and the unit arriving tomorrow makes four.

 

i reinstalled those old drivers, but there's 2k now not 4k so weird. xD

 

I installed 375.86 the other day and it seems to be working OK, I can play BF1 as before, pegged at 120 fps, the only thing I can't do is run afterburner while playing BF1, the game wont launch. I have had my resolution reset before while doing a driver update but I was always able to reset it and with this machine I often get a black screen after the install, I then reboot and all is well. If I were you I would reinstall the driver and select custom installation then check the box for a clean installation. You could also use an app like DDU to install the driver.

Good luck

 

something I wasn't expecting

Connected one external display via HDMI and all looks good, the GPU temp stays at 36, GPU core clock at 140MHz. Memory Clock at 405MHz and GPU Fan RPM between 1100 to 1200 (all minimum values)

Connected second external display via mini Display and the GPU temp at 50, GPU core clock at 1177MHz , memory clock at 5000MHz and GPU Fan RPM between 1700 to 1800. (all minimum values)

is it normal?

Update:

Test the second monitor on ThunderBolt but result is same as GPU temp at 50, GPU core clock at 1177MHz , memory clock at 5000MHz and GPU Fan RPM between 1700 to 1800. (all minimum values)

Reason can be found here and here

Solution can be found here

After applying solution the Core & Memory clock and Temp drop to minimum idle mode, the GPU Temp stays at 36, GPU Core Clock at 140MHz. Memory Clock at 405MHz and GPU Fan RPM between 1100 to 1200 with 2 external displays

 

Hi everyone,

I'm getting a 201 tomorrow. This is my first pc since 2000. Since I'm coming over from Apple I'm going to need a little help on the initial setup. Can someone give me a list of what I should do when I first get my GT73VR? I went through this whole thread but I may have missed some things. I'll have my 32gb flash drive to make a backup. Will I need to do any updating of windows and drivers and if so from where (msi or part maker)? What bloatware to get rid of and any other recommendations on settings. Thanks for any help.

 

I would pick up a passport drive 1 Tb they are cheap
You can backup the recovery drive
And also use Windows 10 to do a system image

at first I did just the usb system restore backup like MSI suggested
But it only restores your PC back to factory.

So once you get your apps loaded make a system image. That way you can recover back to a fresh install but with your apps

 

After you make an image I would let Windows update, then remove Norton, then get HWinfo and some benchmark to test it out, I used Prime95 and 3dMark demo, these use the hardware to it maximum. After a 5 minute run of prime check your temperatures you can post your temps here if you are unsure if they are normal or not and you can also run the Firestrike benchmark to see if its performing as it should.

As for drivers and software you may need to get "drivers only" download for you Killer network card as the software suite gave people issues. I would also get the graphics drivers from Nvida directly. Other then those I have used the drivers and software from MSI. Go to their site and get the latest versions. Now if you want to overclock this wonderful machine then there are a few other things you may need to do. I only dabble in overclocking and consider myself an amateur so I'll someone else speak to that.

As it stands now I use MSI Dragon center to run in Turbo mode with a custom fan profile, this allows for amazing gaming performance and cool temperatures. I also run Msi Afterburner to get on screen information but that currently isn't working with Battlefield 1 .

Let us know how the set up goes.

 

If yours doesn't have the anniversary update for windows, after it does update you will need the new audio driver and Nahimic from MSI's download section for your model. My audio would pop and crackle sometimes after the update until I installed the new stuff.

 

Thanks again everyone. I'll report back in when I'm done.

 

Have any of you tried the latest NVidia drivers? I noticed a huge drop in benchmark scores with all the versions of the 375.xx drivers, including the latest 375.95 hotfix which is supposed to fix low memory speeds on factory overclocked cards. When running Firestrike with the 375 drivers scores will drop to the 13000 range. With the older 373.06 my firestrike scores go back up to mid 17000 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/16122808

Anyone else able to test these newer drivers to duplicate the loss of performance? Its over a 20% drop on my system.

 

so whats the difference between the 200 and 225 models? (MSI GT73VR TITAN PRO 4K-200/225)

 

Check here in the official specifications page, you can click on the 4k-200 and 4k-225 tabs to A/B check the differences

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT73VR-TITAN-Pro-4K-6th-Gen-GTX-1080.html#hero-specification

It looks like the 4k-225 only has more storage and ram:

HDD Capacity
Super RAID 4 1TB SSD (PCIE Gen3x4) [512GB *2]+1TB (SATA) 7200rpm

Memory
64GB (16GB x4) DDR4 2400MHz

I'd try to get the 4k-200 and buy my own SSD's and RAM

 

yeah i saw the storage and ram difference, and was wondering if that was all. they want about $500 to double the ram and storage. not terrible but im fine with a 512gb 950 Pro, 32gb ram, and saving $500


you did just make me realize it only has hdmi 1.4

im really getting into 4k so hdmi 2.0 is kind of neccessary. ive heard theres ways around it but im not sure now. my alternative choice does has 2.0 lol +1 point to the alienware 17.

 

I'm sure @ryzeki can update you on how to make HDMI 2.0 connections via DisplayPort

You can't run 2x GPU's in an AW 17 - 1070 SLI is faster than a single 1080

And, if you want the 1x 1080 in the AW 17, make sure you wait for a reviewer or new owner to run some benchmarks. We have been seeing the "slim" laptops with 1080's hardly perform better than a 1070. Like the Aorus / Razer 1080 GPU laptops with 230w / 250w PSU's instead of 330w PSU.

The GT73VR 1080 runs fine with it's 330w PSU.

 

Returned my Clevo P775DM3-G and purchased the MSI GT73VR-6RE.

It arrived yesterday and was instantly satisfied that I had made the right decision.

I think the Clevo is a real enthusiast machine, for someone willing to tinker with paste and voltages. For me I just want to press "on" and click play.

This machine is built so well, has a real premium feel to it. The 120HZ screen is beautiful in motion and I was also pleasantly surprised to find out it is actually G-SYNC ready.

That said I am not sure what to expect from the 6820HK. I have the laptop set to turbo mode but during benchmarks I am only seeing the CPU reach 3.6GHZ. Also the Fire Strike benchmark came back lower than I expected at 13k. Will get some screen shots uploaded when I get home. Temps seem amazing though and fans are near silent on the "AUTO" profile.

 

Good choice

The Clevo's are exactly as you describe, for tinkerer's and tweakers that like pulling apart their hardware.

MSI's are just hard running fun gaming laptops with lots of performance.

The CPU won't hold higher than 35x or 36x long, unless you do some tuning, but then you are in the tweakers realm again.

You can uninstall MSI Dragon Gaming Center AIO tool, reboot, then install Intel XTU and MSI Afterburner to do the tuning by hand.

Set the CPU cores to 40x on all 4 cores, undervolt by -100mV, and hopefully that just runs for you. Otherwise you will need to do some playing around with undervolt +- from -100mV.

Then select the Windows High Performance Power plan Advanced settings and set the CPU to 100%/100% if it isn't already, and disable all the power saving elements - leave everything on including the HDD don't let it power down (set to 0).

Then you can do the GPU OC.

When you want to reduce power, heat, fan noise during normal usage, then use the Balanced Power plan - set CPU to 0%/100% so it will down clock between loads. That will let the CPU cool off and run at a lower average temperature reducing the fan noise.

Have fun

 

Thanks for the response.

Are you saying the turbo mode/tuning tool on the dragon centre doesn't work? When choosing turbo mode it is supposed to increase CPU multiplier to 40 and +100, +200 MHZ on the GPU.

I would like to do a clean windows install but I don't know how to do this on a raid configured setup.

 

You don't need to do a from MS Media base install, it takes too long to gather drivers, apps, tools, configuration, and get back to a full feature configuration that you laptop comes with out of the box. It's never been shown to be a benefit to do this.

Backup your OS Install using MSI's BurnRecovery, so you can always restore back to the original out of the box install - I've used it a number of times myself.

Then after you've done the backup, uninstall those apps / tools that you don't want.

It's not that the MSI Dragon Gaming Center doesn't work, it's just that it's not fine grained enough for me.

I prefer to use the manual tools to get full performance - maximum core multipliers and maximum undervolt, as well as tuning the GPU core / vram for best performance.

The MSI DGC takes a more "user friendly" approach that doesn't push the potential, and only has a few grouped settings options.

You've already seen it doesn't set the CPU to hold the clock high, and it's at 36x instead of 40x - or even 41x or 42x as some have accomplished ( @iunlock ).

It may be that the extra potential isn't worth the effort to go all out and learn how to tune the CPU / GPU for best performance, as your gaming performance may be about the same.

It's all fun, you just need to decide how deep you want to get into it all

 

I had the CPU running at 4.2GHz using Dragon Centre from what I remember?

 

That's cool, maybe post a "How to" for others to get there too?

 

I will try when I get home. It was pretty straightforward. HWMonitor reported 4.2 and Firestrike CPU score was improved.

 

How about GPU Core and VRAM settings, can you get fine grain control over those in the MSI DGC?

Does the MSI DGC override the Windows Power Settings?

If you choose the Windows High Power plan manually, will MSI DGC respect that setting and leave it alone?

Last I played with it it wanted to reset the Windows Power Plan based on it's predigested options.

Thanks

 

I had problems with dragon center not setting the clock after Windows 10 update

I installed the latest Intel tuning program and then dragon center was setting the clock correctly
I have it set at 40 and getting 3998 MHz
I also tested 41 briefly but went back to 3998 as my games were going bonkers (too fast)

 

I bought MSI GT73VR 6RE 7 weeks ago. I spent two weeks with the Computer and then sent it for repair, which took 5 weeks to get complete. They changed SSD, motherboard and memory parts of this Computer

I sent it for repair because I had multiple problems with it. For example I had these sudden freezes whenever I tried to install some games. Sometimes I had to force reboot the whole Computer to make it work as it should. I couldn't do the reboot normally as everything I clicked on desktop took had 1 minute lag.

After first freezing problem, I started to have error code whenever I rebooted the system:
"Hotfix_16090801.exe - This application could not be started"


And now again. I downloaded Steam and Origin and started to download games. Guess what happens, whole Computer freezes after a moment and next time I booted up, I had that same damn error code. Do I have to send this ****ty 2,6k thing to repair again and wait 5 weeks?

E: Gotta add that I left my Computer alone, while it was downloading games from Steam, when I came back, the screen had went all black expect the mouse cursor. Rebooted my Computer few times and nothing happened until I suddenly logged back into Windows.

Does anyone know how these MSI Computers would act if I installed clean Windows 10 from usb stick? is it even possible for these Computer or are these too much customized?

 

HDMI 2.0 is bad evil and badly designed. I am joking partially.

But anwyas, HDMI 1.4 is not a problem, because you have a superior port available, mini displayport! Use an active mini displayport 1.2 to HDMI 2.0 converter and you will be fine.

I use this one with my GT80:
https://www.amazon.com/Club3D-Mini-...8-2&keywords=club+3d+display+port+to+hdmi+2.0

It works on my TV, outputing full 4K res at 60hz using full RGB or Chroma 4:4:4 without issues.

 

i dont think they take DP lol. this is primarily a 4k media and 4k editing laptop.
the sli would probably require a huge brick, and im not really keen on taking that with me everywhere on top of how big these 17" are

i saw! and yet there was still that one user that was still thinking about the razer pro i know he needs a slim laptop but everyone needs to boycott the pro to show razor its not okay to lie to everyone and put out that POS. i dont very much like that aorus because they all have the Qhd screen with banding.

umar was going to do some testing, but idk if his will be bias or not

Mini to 2.0 can decrypt hdcp 2.2.? and will video and audio quality be the same (media/4k video playback purposes not gaming)

 

It seems the "Hotfix_16090801.exe - This application could not be started" is caused by the dragon gaming center? I would recommend downloading the latest version for your machine and trying to reinstall it. Sadly, windows 10 is silly and sometimes its updates causes things to break.

 

The adapter turns your mini DP port into HDMI 2.0. All in all, if you are serious about going with 4K and using a monitor for it, display port is the standard port used by most monitors. TVs are the ones that tend to use HDMI 2.0 though.

Luckily the adapter works as it should so you can fully use your HDMI 2.0 enabled display at full settings.

 

yeah im trying to avoid getting a 4k tv because im usually out but i still want to watch UHD blu rays
so just making sure something like a roku or uhd blu rayplayer will work. and also some editing 4k video

 

Hmmm, if you want to watch UHD bluray I suggest a stand alone player. Watching them on your laptop screen is wasted in general, and I am not sure how well HDCP tech will handle the external UHD player+active converter etc. I haven't tried it though.

Anyways, 4K streaming should work fine.

 

laptop screen is fine for video. 4k streaming is hit and miss. i have UHD videos with vudu and they wont stream to pc at all, u need a roku. i havent tried amazon or netflix tho since they require a subscription. Rips or Physical discs are the superior form, especially since UHD is so demanding on your internet

 

Yes you can do a clean install, it will even activate automatically. I did a clean install after installing a second SSD. but ended up re installing most of the software. I had similar issues with drivers and I suspect the update does not happen all at once so I would wake up to a update that caused driver issues. If I were you I would recover the system to factory the get rid of Norton if you don't use it then let Windows update to it's most current updates. Then go to MSI and check all the apps and drivers there is a new version of Dragon Center dated Nov 2 and some new audio drivers. I would get the notebook Nvida drivers from Nvida and get the drivers only package for your Killer wireless.

Your 5 week experience is not uncommon and has taught me that if there ANY issues that could be problematic down the road to just send it back to the place you bought it from. 5 weeks for a bad machine is poor service.

This thread has a lot of information, if you have some time read through it. Good luck and keep us updated.

 

Hello Guys,
I'm a proud owner of a GT73VR 6RE (GTX1070, 32GB, 256GB SSD) and in general I'm happy with the choice.

Unfortunately, when I try to use the Turbo Mode in MSI Dragon Center and start up any game with cooling in Auto setting, I immediately get a black screen and laptop restarts. Situation is similar with cooling set to CoolerBoost setting. Games are starting up nicely and, depending on the title, I can play from few up to 15-20 min and then again black screen and restart.

I noticed that CPU temp is quickly rising to 65-67 degrees and I guess then the restart happens.. Have any of you had similar problems? Or maybe you know what is causing the issue?

Or maybe Turbo mode is just an advertising trick and in reality its unusable?

Thanks,
Max

 

Are you using the latest version of Dragon center? What happens of you turn off Dragon Center and use the cooler boost button on the right side?

 

Yes, I'm using the latest version of the Dragon Center (2.1610.2701). If I turn off the Dragon Center will the turbo mode still work? But to answer your question, when I turn off the DC and press the cooler boost, button I get a hurricane sound from the cooling system, meaning fans are at full speed.

 

Do you have HW monitor? Try running something with the fans at full blast, and see whats happening in HWmonitor. If you have heating issues with the fans at full blast then you need to return that machine and get a new one.

EDIT: make sure you are on the DGPU too.

 

Yup, I've been playing with HW for the last 2 days and I can say that at full blast the temps aren't exceeding 65-67 degrees at CPU cores and GPU around 52-55 degrees. But the noise is just unbearable..

Maybe it's something with the system settings then..

 

"Noise Canceling Headphones" for benchmarking with 100% fans running, that's what I use.

Then run a custom fan curve for everyday use. I think newer MSI DGC has a custom fan setting "area"...

There is also the MSI "Silent Option" fan app, that has been reported to work with the latest laptops, check it out:

Topic: (Updated:2016/05/06)"Silent Option" Fan Control Application for MSI Laptops (Read 80964 times)
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=255972.0

 

Oh yes I have my headphones ready to go but the problem is that even with full blast I can play maybe 15-20 min or on some games even less and then I get a black screen followed by a painful restart.. and that's not right for a gamer.. I can't even warm up my fingers properly

 

This sound like a GT62 review I read on Newegg where someone had an issue like this, black screens with any 3Dapp, he said it turned out to be a bad video card and did a RMA. If you bought it at a place where you can return I would do so, it sounds like having MSI fix the problem would take weeks. A friend bought a GT62 from Newegg and returned it for similar issues, he ended up getting another on form Amazon and the packaging was sealed, unlike the Newegg one, which makes him think Newegg sent him an open box. He loves the one from Amazon.

 

Yeah, somethings not right if that is happening at stock settings, if you've debugged it as best you can via software changes, then it's time for return / RMA

 

The thing is everything is working fine on "sport" setting.. I guess I can exchange it for a different unit but I wonder if the OC problems will be enough justification for MSI to make the exchange happen..

 

So, have you identified the set of settings that causes the problem, and is it only in certain software?

If in certain games, maybe roll back several versions of Nvidia driver release to get a "stable" version, even one that doesn't have additions for your newest games - just support the game(s) that are causing the crashes.

If Sport mode was working fine, try it again with the new Nvidia driver that's causing the problems.

The key is to find what "changed" coincident with the beginning of failures. Then rollback that change to verify it was indeed the root cause.

MSI will likely only RMA for failure at stock settings, no OC, but if the problem shows up under OC using their software - Sport mode, I can see MSI RMA'ing for that failure.

If you are still in the return period, it's best to return to the seller instead of starting on the RMA path with the vendor.

It almost sounds like you can do some more debugging to isolate the issue, and maybe it's a software issue and not a hardware issue - you would have the same issue under the same software configuration state on new hardware.

Good luck

 

I thought you always got the black screens, what have you set your Turbo mode to? I also thought that if DC wasn't running that you would be using default speeds.

 

If you uninstall MSI DGC you will be at defaults as left by MSI, make sure you have the Windows Power Plan you want selected - it might be a random one.

MSI DGC services might be running even if you disable the startup systray app - XTU services as well(?).

 

I have my laptop packed away at the moment but tomorrow I'll play around a bit with DC, I haven't done much with the new version but this morning I did notice that there was no GPU tab in the Turbo settings, I normally use AB to tune my GPU so it's not a big deal but ti would be interesting to look at all the settings.

The Turbo mode had a default multiplier of 40, I haven't heard of anyone having black screens at that speed.

 

Have you tried installing the latest mobile version of Nvidia drivers with the option clean install?

If your not hitting 85+ temps on GPU it's most likely a driver issue

What temps you getting for CPU?

Make sure after windows anniversary update that you reinstall most of the software.
I usually will click each one make sure it responds etc