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Does anybody know how to remove MSI Dragon Center whilst retaining the ability to switch profiles and use hotkeys? If I remove Dragon Center, the hotkeys no longer work correctly. I know that everything is being configured in SCM, but even if I leave that installed, the hotkeys still don't work. Also, if Dragon Center is removed, is there an alternative means to setting custom fan profiles?

 

I never installed the Dragon Center and my hotkeys work fine after installing the latest SCM

for fan controls:

MSI Silent Option

 

Finally had time to run just some Futuremark Firestrike scores on this with the LM repasting and modest -50 bios undervolt by HIDevolution. Max temps came in 81 F for CPU and 82 F for GPU. That is with auto fan speed too. I didn't even have fan turbo boost on. Was just above 18,500 for overall score too. With no CPU or GPU overclock. Just factory standard. Played some Rise of the Tomb Raider for 20 minutes and topped out around 77 F for CPU. Will crack in and actually do a little more intensive temp readings soon but just wanted to throw those out there. Happy so far....

The only thing that is bothering me is that the new MSI GT63VR is being marketed as having a Killer E2500 Ethernet LAN card in it....

(screenshot from MSI's product page)

my device manager shows it as a Killer E2400 LAN??? This is last gen ethernet card so why would my brand new MSI GT63 have a Killer E2400 in it when its advertised as an E2500 LAN? Can anyone else that has this check their device manager and see if it shows the E2500 card in it? I opted to have the intel 9260 wireless card installed in my for the wireless...

 

Huh? The E2500 is your LAN Ethernet adapter and the Intel 9260 is your Wireless card, one has nothing to do with the other.

If you check in device manager, you will see the E2500 LAN Adapter listed separately than you WLAN card

 

Exactly....that is what I am saying....I show an E2400 LAN in my Device Manager for LAN adapter

I was just saying I had HIDevolution put the intel card in to let everyone know for the wireless, i know it doesn't have anything to do with the LAN card...my questions is why my Device Manager is only showing a E2400 when its supposed to have an E2500 in it installed factory from MSI? Can @Shark00n , @JNogueira , @Pureownuge69 , @Bill Gercken .....can you confirm you all show E2500 as the Lan adapter in your device manager?
Thank you!

 

ahhh sorry I misunderstood

 

Hey there, I believe the NIC is indeed meant to be the E2400. This was never upgraded to the later E2500 Ethernet Controller by MSI. They only upgraded the WNIC to the Killer AC1550. I was similarly disappointed... The test unit reviewed on NotebookCheck also references the E2400. See the link below for more info:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-G...750H-GTX-1080-FHD-Laptop-Review.312842.0.html


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No problem!

 

Wow really? Thank you for clarifying that but nothing like false advertising then MSI....like i said that is still an "upgrade feature" they are selling in their advertisement for this laptop on their main page and every other reseller that is selling it too....not too pleased about that....

Donald @Donald@HIDevolution , you might want to check with MSI on this as the Killer E2500 LAN is a "selling" upgraded feature (advanced stream detect 2.0, blah blah blah) on this laptop and if this isn't the case it might want to be noted this unit actually comes with the older E2400....i know its nothing major but still not good MSI....
https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT63-Titan-Intel-8th-Gen.html

 

You are correct. Both the MSI and HIDevolution webites have the E2500, but in fact they only come with the E2400. Our site has been corrected, and MSI has been alerted to correct theirs as well.

We apologize for this error, and thank you for pointing it out.

 

No problem Donald....i know its nothing with HIDevolution and is with hardware shipped from MSI but might save some headache from other people in the future when they get a unit and notice the same thing...

 

MSI seem to have a significant issue with their advertising not being accurate. In Australia, MSI advertised the stock GT63 8RG as shipping with 32GB of RAM. Mine shipped with 16GB. Upon my reseller contacting MSI to find out why, they said that it was never meant to ship with 32GB of memory, only 16GB. MSI acknowledged the error on their part and was required to provide me with an additional 16GB module. Apparently they provided incorrect specifications to all sellers in Australia and I lucked out being the first to buy the GT63 8RG (first to buy - first to notice - only one to get the additional RAM free of charge).

Doesn't bother me though. I got what I paid for in the end.

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Copy & paste can be disaster for manufacturers as they have multiple SKU from the same model as this was possibly a mixed up.

 

Nice Out of curiosity, what is your CPU core temperature differential like under load (Temperature difference between the hottest and coolest core)? Mine is 7 degrees Celsius which is not bad but I am a perfectionist and it still bothers me

My CPU is under-volted by -140mv with a maximum temperature of 85 degrees Celsius when running a combined stress test.
My GPU is running with a core clock of 1911MHz at 0.95v and +100Mhz on Memory with a maximum temperature of 84 degrees Celsius when running a combined stress test.

The above tests where done using auto fan and stock TIM with an ambient room temperature of approx. 26 degrees Celsius.

 

@Pureownuge69, I have very similar results, but I have a -148mV. Temps do no exceed 82 / 83 on combined stress tests.
Stock TIM as well.

Anyone from the EU that wants to sell the stock Samsung M471A2K43CB1-CTD?

Cheers

 

I want too a slot for my GT 75

 

What's with you guys and putting 69 in your nicknames?

I much prefer reverse-cowgirl

My Samsung isn't going anywhere @JNogueira !!

 

You do know that MSI sells parts right? I am sure that they would be happy to sell you an additional RAM module at a reasonable price. Finding and purchasing that specific RAM elsewhere would carry a significant premium from my own experience.

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Yes, i already asked MSI for that, and does not worth. It is extremely over priced... That's why I am asking of someone is willing to sell their modules.

 

Really? interesting... Prices for me seemed reasonable. What was the price they were asking?

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The same module that I mentioned previously, 338,25€ with 23% VAT included.
That's simply too much. Even the guy from msi that I was exchanging e-mails with assumed that was not worthy.

 

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Hey @Pureownuge69 @JNogueira do you do your undervolt through BIOS or through Throttlestop? Like I said I have a -50mv BIOS from HIDevolution but would like to push it a little more?

I have been away for a week so I will get you (Pureownuge69) my CPU Core Temp differentails here this week under load....

Out of curiosity, what exact tests are you all using and on average how long do you usually run the stress tests for?

 

Hi guys!

That's my experience with GT63 titan 8RG from stock and without a cooling pad:

Stock CPU was hitting around 85ºC and GPU 90ºC playing GTA V Maxed Out (Ultra settings) with MSAA x8 shadows etc... around 30min (with turbo profile on coolers).

Later I hope to have time to test it with undervolt -0,140mV too with and without a cooling pad from cooler master.

I'm using intel XTU to do that but I got TDP power limit throttle and CPU around 3min of CPU stress test (the test is around 5min) and CPU went down to 3.5/3.6Ghz.

I didn't test OC the GPU, first I'll need to get the CPU temps covered!
I'll need to check my laptop temps later!

So I have 2 questions for experienced owners:

Can you give me a hint on GPU and memory OC for the GTX1080 and what software to user? (On my desktop I'm using MSI afterburner for that).

Is there any oficial BIOS version so we can change the TDP bottleneck?

Workaround for TDP needed

BTW: Acer fixed it September on the Predator: https://community.acer.com/en/discu...-and-current-limit-throttling-on-my-8750h-cpu

Maybe wait for a MSI BIOS update?!

Thank you for your help!

@JNogueira, um abraço Lusitano!

 

Seems like the GT63 is a real success with the portuguese market

 

Indeed! I bought mine from PCDiga, just reading about BIOS unlock... maybe some of you can give me a hand on this! I'm reading a thread about GT75, this really need an official BIOS update like Acer to fix this

 

I think some people around here tried it but reverted back as temps were not under control.

What I would really appreciate is a way to undervolt right in the BIOS.

Really miss my Obsidian Clevo for that. That thing was rock solid.

 

Forza Horizon 4 test:

86ºC CPU and 84ºC GPU (coolers maxed out without cooling pad) with -0,150mV on intel XTU

CPU always at 3.9Ghz on all cores without Throttle

Without OC GTX 1080:

GPU clock hit 1797Mhz
Memory clock 1250Mhz
GPU video clock 1607Mhz

with cooling pad (coolermaster windpal FS):
76ºC on CPU and 77ºC on GPU with coolers maxed out

Guess I'll bringing around the cooling pad for gaming…

GPU OC to +100Mhz +200Mhz on Memory hit 79ºC with cooling pad and coolerboost

 

Boas @ldcosta and all,

Well... TDP unlock hack on this machine can be tricky as the temperatures climb as hell and quickly hit the temperature throttle (95ºC). So I reverted back to defaults in BIOS and I am now working with UV with better results. I will not have 3.9Ghz during entire time, but it is much safer regarding temps as this ensures increased overall system life span.

Without TDP hack we face the TDP power limit flag enabled as widely known on this CPU when stressed for long time, but with Undervolt instead of limiting the CPU frequency at 3.0 / 3.1 Ghz, I am able to have 3.4Ghz / 3.5Ghz when TDP power limit kicks in.

I am able to have UV on XTU by -0,145V. More than that I face instability on long stress sessions.
I will repaste the CPU as soon as I am able to get a Samsung M471A2K43CB1-CTD module.

Cheers all!

 

Hi @ldcosta ,

The permanent speed of 3.9Ghz will remain as long as the TDP will not go over 45W for more than 1 minute. Otherwise TDP Power Limit will kick in.
With Gaming, this will happen rarely, and UV will also help to keep the CPU cooler.

This is why I din't go for the TDP unlock hack.

If MSI is able to do something like Acer did, then that would be just outstanding.

 

Prime 95 (Blended Torture Test) + Unigine Valley (1440p | 8x MSAA | Ultra) - I run the combined stress test for approx 5 minutes to determine max thermals. For stability testing, 30 minutes in the combined stress test. If it passes without errors/crashes, I will proceed to play games for a few hours. I can usually recognize instability well in advance by paying attention to fluidity and frame time inconsistencies. I have also noticed that the graphics tests in the Userbenchmark app will stutter in the event of GPU instability for me. Do not run MSI Afterburner in the background during these tests! You will notice hitching that coincides with the polling interval set in MSI AB as it interrupts the GPU to gather data on key operating metrics.

In regards to CPU under-volting, I use Throttlestop with stock BIOS (-130mv). For a quick reference, an unstable CPU undervolt usually manifests itself through errors when running TS Bench (1024M) or intermittent freezing during the test. If it passes in TS Bench, I then move on to testing either in-game or via bench marking applications for comparison with previous runs. If anything is wrong, results will be out of the expected margin for error. This takes quite a bit of time and analysis though.

Looking forwards to seeing your CPU core temperature differentials.

 

Did you encounter any issues with your under-volt not sticking after a system restart? I have been using Throttlestop purely because my CPU voltage configurations would always revert back to stock on restart.

 

Yes I noticed that on Intel XTU after restart I had to load the profile saved and apply it again(wait for na update maybe)! (I didn't had that issue using Intel XTU on my asus GL551JM)
For now I can play games for about 3/4hours (tested last night) without crashes with UV -0.150mV, don't know if I can go lower... but no throttle issues of anykind.

About GPU GTX1080 I couldn't change the Voltage on this card, probably need to change vBios?! (didn't explore it yet so I could make it run cooler)

I think the heating problem now during gameplay is the GPU not de CPU atm (and 3700rpm on coolers all the time will not last long (I think!))
I didn't like the advance mode on coolers on DC 2.0, I don't see the temperature in ºC only in % ?! But I didn't had time to did more tests and investigate more...

Maybe I'lll keep the stock BIOS and undervolt only de CPU for now and I'll try to tweak the GPU now.
Before I went to sleep I tested +200Mhz +200Mhz but GTA V freezed after that...

 

To modify GPU voltage, you can use MSI Afterburner. You will need to make some configurations prior to voltage monitoring and configuration becoming available in the application though. Follow the steps provided below.

ENABLE VOLTAGE CONTROL "FIX"

Step 1: Go to your MSI Afterburner Profiles folder (C:\Program Files (x86)\MSI Afterburner\Profiles)
Step 2: Right-click the file named "VEN_10DE&DEV..." and go > Properties > Security
Step 3: Select "Edit" and then click on "Users (username\Users)" and with the permission boxes below, check "Allow" for the first box - Full control. Click OK and OK again (this allows the file to be saved after editing it).
Step 4: Now you can open the file named "VEN_10DE&DEV..." in WordPad and replace everything you see with this:


[Startup]
Format=2
CoreVoltageBoost=
PowerLimit=
ThermalLimit=
ThermalPrioritize=
CoreClkBoost=
MemClkBoost=
[Settings]
VDDC_Generic_Detection=1



Step 5: Save the file and restart MSI Afterburner
Step 6: Go into MSI Afterburner settings and check the boxes under General > "Unlock voltage control" (select "third party" from the drop down) and "Unlock voltage monitoring" then click OK and restart Afterburner.

Once you have completed the above steps and MSI AB has restarted, you should notice that your GPUs current voltage is displayed. Now you can set a custom Frequency/Voltage curve.

All credit for the above steps goes to Dreamonic

 

Thank you! I'll check it out latter! I'll need to learn abou the curve method, usually I just set the value of OC and change the rpm based on temps, I think it cannot be done in DC 2.

 

This doesn't work on PASCAL MXM cards.
Yes you can monitor the GPU voltage AND the slider appears but the slider does absolutely nothing.

 

Be sure to share your frequency/voltage curves! I’m quite interested in that as the GPU is the only thing I can’t quite keep under control. It’s always at 90C even with liquid metal.


Oh, nevermind. Thanks Falkentyne.

I’ll probably open her up again soon to replace the LM on the GPU for some kryonaut or phobya nanogrease. Really see no big benefits of LM application. Temps are the same but it does boost slightly higher.

Although I have foam dams and took every precaution it’s still double the risk for no gains. On the CPU it’s worth it though as temps dropped way more.

 

Um... actually yes it does. I would not have posted it if I could not do it myself.


You don't use the voltage slider. You set a custom voltage/ frequency curve.... There is also plenty of videos that demonstrate the process of doing so.



I have had my I am currntly running mine at 1850Mhz on Core @ (0.95v | 950mv) + 150 Mhz on Memory Clock. I will post a picture of my custom curve when I get a chance.

 

Good for you. Mine's running at 1.062v @ 2050 mhz at 230W TDP.

Please read what I said again.

I'm one of the first people to do that edit that was mentioned. Everyone here knows about the curves now. I said that GPU VOLTAGE is NOT adjustable. It's capped at 1.062v maximum, even if the slider is set to +100mv. On desktop cards, this would allow +1.162v. Pascal MXM is completely locked by the vbios. No one has found out how to bypass this here.

Nowhere was I referring to the curves.

 

If you read the initial post from @idacosta, it was mentioned that he/she would like to reduce GPU temperatures, not overvolt (which is not really worth it given thermal constraints).. In this case, my advice is still valid and using this method he/she can achieve far better results than the stock configuration.You mentioned that everyone knows about the curves - this is just an ignorant statement. Obviously not everyone knows about the Voltage/Frequency curve editor in MSI Afterburner. Proof is in the original post to which I was responding.

You should also explain yourself completely before dismissing other peoples posts and stating "this does not work on MXM cards" out of context.

Congrats on the clocks... Not a contest mate.

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The initial post had too much information in it at once.
Someone wanted to UNLOCK THE GPU VOLTAGE.
That's where I replied saying that the edit is "Supposed" to unlock the GPU voltage--this works on desktop Pascal cards--but it does "unlock" the slider on laptops but the slider doesn't work.
It's the same problem as unlocking the "temperature target adjustment" and having it do nothing. The slider appears but does absolutely nothing. I'm not even sure if changing the throttling temp works either (aka Performance Limit-Thermal). I'm not talking about the -13 mhz every 6C drop--that's hardcoded and cannot be removed even on desktop cards.

This was discussed back in the "Pascal bios editor" thread on the Clevo section.

 

Hi all!

I've tested -0,170V on CPU and got this without crashes so far:



I've tested GPU curve yesterday and could get this stabble on GTA V but only hit 1911Mhz for a few seconds, but get stable on 1898Mhz



got this temps and only got 1911Mhz with 0,963V couldn't get higher clock with lower Voltage on GTA V, didn't have time to test other games. (+200Mhz on memory too)



Thank you all for the help given!
I'm really appreciated!

PS: It's a He not a She!

 

Nice results I'm glad my posts were of some help. Wasn't sure so I just included both



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Now I only need to tweak the bios do OC the RAM clock, how can I get the advanced BIOS options to OC the DDR4 module? (its been kind of difficult to get the Samsung DDR4 like the original one, MSI asks for 300€)

 

The E2400 and E2500 are extremely similar. They both provide up to 1 Gbps Ethernet speeds and both use the same driver, which can cause Windows to sometimes show the E2400 instead of the E2500.

The primary difference between the two is the feature set as it relates to the Killer Control Center. When using Doubleshot Pro, only the E2500 can use the "Priority Routing" option, which allows you to specify the which priorities use which adapter. The E2400 uses the default routing, which puts all priority 6 traffic on Wi-Fi, and 1-5 on Ethernet. If there are two Ethernet adapters, it will arbitrarily pick one for all priority 6 traffic, and the other for all priority 1-5 traffic.

If you are not using Doubleshot Pro, as is the case if you are using an Intel wireless adapter, then there will be practically no difference between the E2400 and the E2500 on your system.

-- Anthony with Killer Networking

 

Anyone tryed to OC the CPU 8750h to 4,1Ghz?! like this guy and get some improvement in games?

 

It seems impossible. 8750H blocked at 3.9 GHz for 6 cores. 4.1 GHz only for 1 core

 

I don't see anywhere in that video where the 8750H was OCed to 4.1GHz on all cores. Even after setting the ratios to 41 on all cores in TS FIVR, it was still running at 3.9GHz all-core in CineBench, same as stock.

 

besides, he even sagged up to 3.1