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So has anyone tested this laptop? I saw a few replies a few (hundred) pages back where someone pointed that it's like a HDMI 2.0 port, rather than the 1.4 listed on notebookcheck, but I'm about to buy a 4k TV with HDR and would love to know whether this thing has HDMI 2.0a support (so 4k@60fps with HDR) or not. If anyone could shed light on this I'd be eternally grateful!

 

https://msi.com/Laptop/GT62VR-7RE-Dominator-Pro.html

 

I can also confirm on my gt72vr 6re that i can do 4k @60hz with the right hdmi cable to my samsung js8500 4k tv.

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Even $30 for those fans should be considered robbery. They are $1 garbage.

 

Hello all. Not sure whether I should create a new thread with my problem or here is fine. I've a GT62VR with Killer E2400 for network. I've mentioned the network card specifically because I've a problem related to networking. Roughly a month ago network started having lag spikes that last for about 5-10 seconds. By lags I mean that network stops responding and just hangs for a few seconds. It happens both while just web browsing and gaming. Also the problem happens both while connected via an Ethernet cable and Wi-Fi. It isn't an ISP problem because I've tried with two different ones and with both that issue is absolutely the same. I've tried installing different network drivers including from the MSI support page, the Killer website and just through Windows "update driver" from the device manager. Also tried resetting Windows but the problem is still present. Later on I discovered a topic of DPC latency and it appears that NDIS.sys tends to take a lot of execution time at these lag points. Reading the Internet about it didn't help. Mostly it was suggested to update network AND audio drivers because this problem is often due to audio. Though people also reported that at these moments sound was stuttering for them and I have no such problem whatsoever.
Does anyone have any idea why such a problem might be occurring? It drives me insane especially while gaming.
Below you can find a report from LatencyMon with such spikes while I was playing Quake Champions connected directly with the Ethernet cable.


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CONCLUSION
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Your system appears to be having trouble handling real-time audio and other tasks. You are likely to experience buffer underruns appearing as drop outs, clicks or pops. One or more DPC routines that belong to a driver running in your system appear to be executing for too long. At least one detected problem appears to be network related. In case you are using a WLAN adapter, try disabling it to get better results. One problem may be related to power management, disable CPU throttling settings in Control Panel and BIOS setup. Check for BIOS updates.
LatencyMon has been analyzing your system for 0:10:55 (h:mm:ss) on all processors.


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SYSTEM INFORMATION
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Computer name: SOLREE-PC
OS version: Windows 10 , 10.0, build: 17134 (x64)
Hardware: GT62VR 6RE, Micro-Star International Co., Ltd., MS-16L2
CPU: GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz
Logical processors: 8
Processor groups: 1
RAM: 16338 MB total


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CPU SPEED
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Reported CPU speed: 2592 MHz

Note: reported execution times may be calculated based on a fixed reported CPU speed. Disable variable speed settings like Intel Speed Step and AMD Cool N Quiet in the BIOS setup for more accurate results.


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MEASURED INTERRUPT TO USER PROCESS LATENCIES
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The interrupt to process latency reflects the measured interval that a usermode process needed to respond to a hardware request from the moment the interrupt service routine started execution. This includes the scheduling and execution of a DPC routine, the signaling of an event and the waking up of a usermode thread from an idle wait state in response to that event.

Highest measured interrupt to process latency (µs): 331.852114
Average measured interrupt to process latency (µs): 5.719780

Highest measured interrupt to DPC latency (µs): 327.506432
Average measured interrupt to DPC latency (µs): 1.516115


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REPORTED ISRs
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Interrupt service routines are routines installed by the OS and device drivers that execute in response to a hardware interrupt signal.

Highest ISR routine execution time (µs): 95.118827
Driver with highest ISR routine execution time: ACPI.sys - ACPI Driver for NT, Microsoft Corporation

Highest reported total ISR routine time (%): 0.014543
Driver with highest ISR total time: Wdf01000.sys - Kernel Mode Driver Framework Runtime, Microsoft Corporation

Total time spent in ISRs (%) 0.029421

ISR count (execution time <250 µs): 566260
ISR count (execution time 250-500 µs): 0
ISR count (execution time 500-999 µs): 0
ISR count (execution time 1000-1999 µs): 0
ISR count (execution time 2000-3999 µs): 0
ISR count (execution time >=4000 µs): 0


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REPORTED DPCs
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DPC routines are part of the interrupt servicing dispatch mechanism and disable the possibility for a process to utilize the CPU while it is interrupted until the DPC has finished execution.

Highest DPC routine execution time (µs): 2397.306327
Driver with highest DPC routine execution time: NDIS.SYS - Network Driver Interface Specification (NDIS), Microsoft Corporation

Highest reported total DPC routine time (%): 0.147622
Driver with highest DPC total execution time: dxgkrnl.sys - DirectX Graphics Kernel, Microsoft Corporation

Total time spent in DPCs (%) 0.374801

DPC count (execution time <250 µs): 3272290
DPC count (execution time 250-500 µs): 0
DPC count (execution time 500-999 µs): 3
DPC count (execution time 1000-1999 µs): 2
DPC count (execution time 2000-3999 µs): 1
DPC count (execution time >=4000 µs): 0


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REPORTED HARD PAGEFAULTS
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Hard pagefaults are events that get triggered by making use of virtual memory that is not resident in RAM but backed by a memory mapped file on disk. The process of resolving the hard pagefault requires reading in the memory from disk while the process is interrupted and blocked from execution.

NOTE: some processes were hit by hard pagefaults. If these were programs producing audio, they are likely to interrupt the audio stream resulting in dropouts, clicks and pops. Check the Processes tab to see which programs were hit.

Process with highest pagefault count: svchost.exe

Total number of hard pagefaults 350
Hard pagefault count of hardest hit process: 198
Number of processes hit: 8


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PER CPU DATA
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CPU 0 Interrupt cycle time (s): 50.810243
CPU 0 ISR highest execution time (µs): 95.118827
CPU 0 ISR total execution time (s): 0.898996
CPU 0 ISR count: 420408
CPU 0 DPC highest execution time (µs): 259.155864
CPU 0 DPC total execution time (s): 15.357476
CPU 0 DPC count: 3122178
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CPU 1 Interrupt cycle time (s): 21.347277
CPU 1 ISR highest execution time (µs): 57.380401
CPU 1 ISR total execution time (s): 0.527136
CPU 1 ISR count: 138619
CPU 1 DPC highest execution time (µs): 158.066358
CPU 1 DPC total execution time (s): 3.827241
CPU 1 DPC count: 122157
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CPU 2 Interrupt cycle time (s): 9.714911
CPU 2 ISR highest execution time (µs): 51.071759
CPU 2 ISR total execution time (s): 0.115589
CPU 2 ISR count: 7233
CPU 2 DPC highest execution time (µs): 2397.306327
CPU 2 DPC total execution time (s): 0.376563
CPU 2 DPC count: 12096
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CPU 3 Interrupt cycle time (s): 6.454608
CPU 3 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0.0
CPU 3 ISR total execution time (s): 0.0
CPU 3 ISR count: 0
CPU 3 DPC highest execution time (µs): 77.863426
CPU 3 DPC total execution time (s): 0.010919
CPU 3 DPC count: 3142
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CPU 4 Interrupt cycle time (s): 6.367183
CPU 4 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0.0
CPU 4 ISR total execution time (s): 0.0
CPU 4 ISR count: 0
CPU 4 DPC highest execution time (µs): 45.470679
CPU 4 DPC total execution time (s): 0.014773
CPU 4 DPC count: 3745
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CPU 5 Interrupt cycle time (s): 6.727230
CPU 5 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0.0
CPU 5 ISR total execution time (s): 0.0
CPU 5 ISR count: 0
CPU 5 DPC highest execution time (µs): 132.173611
CPU 5 DPC total execution time (s): 0.007370
CPU 5 DPC count: 1736
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CPU 6 Interrupt cycle time (s): 6.830251
CPU 6 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0.0
CPU 6 ISR total execution time (s): 0.0
CPU 6 ISR count: 0
CPU 6 DPC highest execution time (µs): 199.970679
CPU 6 DPC total execution time (s): 0.025218
CPU 6 DPC count: 4320
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CPU 7 Interrupt cycle time (s): 7.030091
CPU 7 ISR highest execution time (µs): 0.0
CPU 7 ISR total execution time (s): 0.0
CPU 7 ISR count: 0
CPU 7 DPC highest execution time (µs): 60.740741
CPU 7 DPC total execution time (s): 0.020442
CPU 7 DPC count: 2922
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You need to remove killer network manager from the autorun

 

Thanks for your advice. The issue is now much more bearable although still present. Now these lags don't appear as often and when they do, just for a brief moment. But they're still here and LatencyMon still detects high latency with NDIS.sys (2520.69 the last time I tried while gaming).

 

The only problem with making this public knowledge and openly posting about it in a forum like this is that MSI might decide to "fix" that (or ruin everything depending on your perspective) for everyone on the next BIOS update if they see their secret is out in the open. If they wanted everyone to have the access necessary to make their notebook have full functionality, then they wouldn't have acted like losers by hiding all of the good stuff.

 

sorry I'm new here, I'm not good at knowing the technical subtleties and policies of the MSI. Do not quite clearly understand what you are talking about.....
" (or ruin everything depending on your perspective) " ?

 

MSI laptops have some cancer issues in their design. Ignoring the fact that it's BGA, and that it has "Battery Boost" worthless feature, it has : Convex heatsinks (causing core temp differentials on the cores getting hotter closer to the VRM's), passive CPU "overvolting" being done for you without your permission (due to MSI having an internal Loadline Calibration to remove CPU voltage "droop", combined with Intel's own IA AC DC Loadline settings to cause voltage*BOOST* simultaneously ...what could go wrong? , and so on.

Alienware users are suffering from this "VID Boosting" thing, making their CPU's current throttle and overheating right now in the 17 R5 thread and Dell completely locked the bioses out so much that you cant do anything about it.

At least with MSI, you can disable this silly stuff by setting IA AC DC loadline to "1" and "1" in CPU VR Settings->Core I/A Domain.

GT73VR also had a PEG display initialization bug where if you switched from Nvidia (dGPU) to Intel iGPU and back to dGPU, under some situations (especially after disabling spread spectrum in "Intel ICC" but sometimes for no reason at all), you may get a black screen, preventing all use of the laptop. Before the CMOS reset method became known (60 second power button depress), this caused several RMA's. This bug could also be permanently fixed with *NO DRAWBACKS AT ALL* by setting PEG Root Port 1, from "Auto" to "Enabled".

Enabling this has no side effects because when you switch to the iGPU, the Embedded Controller electrically disconnects the PEG Port anyway.
(I do not know if this initialization bug was fixed on the GT75VR or not). But still you can unlock your Bios and fix this silly monkey spaghetti code bug yourself.

If MSI removed the unlock combo, you would be FORCED to use AMIBCP 5.02 + FPTW64 + RU (EFI boot program required to disable the "Bios Lock" Bios option to even flash the modded Bios), to manually unlock the menus yourself, which is safe IF you know what you're doing, but runs risk of a Brick. Or have SVET on MSI forums unlock the Bios for you.

 

Thank you. Too difficult, and a lot of tech. information. And it's hard for me to speak English. But, I know about uneven heat sinks, I had this defect, I leveled them. I know about the integrated Intel graphics, and the fact that it is incompatible with Nvidia G-Sync. And I already turn on it and got a black screen and a brick, I decided it by detaching the bios battery. I'm not interested in other BIOS settings yet.
I am only interested in overclocking my CPU, but I understand that most likely this is impossible because the processor is locked, even if there are multipliers in Intel xtu, but it does not help

 

What do you think Intel would do if they saw people showing how to unlock their cheaper locked down Intel chips so they could perform as the more expensive unlocked chips?

Expect sBIOS will get same Falcon cancer as Nvidia.

 

I really do not know. maybe remove this feature in the new version of the BIOS? right ?....

 

Yeah they could. They could also make a new key-combination. But fully locked down firmware will come! Same way as Nvidia graphics(fully locked down started with Pascal).

 

Very nice wow

 

but still this extended BIOS does not allow me to bypass the 3.1 GHz limit. I can not raise it higher. So Intel doesn't need to worry

 

Was meant as a "What can happen". Here is some reading for thought... How Dell processed information! And how they treated their dear customers afterwards.

 

I can only overclock it over the bus. But this I could do on a blocked BIOS. But overclocking the bus is not exactly what suits us, if you understand what I mean

 

Locked down. Means "fully" locked down. You won't get access to any settings outside the absolutely necessary/mandatory for having the Jokebook to work.

Put it the other way... For example, what good is it with an unlocked bios you can screw up multipliers but you can't have access to needed higher power limits? Many ways to Rome. Just look at newer Alienware's... They advertise their Jokes with 50x overclock but with crippled power settings so their advertised overclock is more as Scam.

 

ok, so i delete the message, sorry if it could harm someone

 

What I was referring to is if you reveal this back door key combo to unlock hidden BIOS menus and MSI sees that it has been disclosed, the next and future BIOS revisions may eliminate (or change) this so that it is broken for everyone in the future. While it is generally awesome to share knowledge like this, it is best to keep it some things quiet so the disclosure does not ruin things for everyone in the future if they (OEM/ODM) remove or change it because it was leaked. They can be really funny about some things like this. But, your intent in sharing it is commendable. If they would not interfere it would be wonderful for everyone.

 

The combo was already know and posted on Baidu long ago (chinese computer overclocking site), in the same thread where someone found a way to "Decrease" battery boost leech on the MSI GT73VR 6RF (6820HK+GTX 1080). So don't feel guilty or anything. I even posted it out of complete anger with MSI and I was tired of people having to deal with their 1.45v overheating VID boosted CPU's that only needed 1.25v to run stable. (fixed with accessing IA AC DC Loadline and setting both values from auto to "1".)

Its also buried in Paloesco's MSI tweaks thread, which contains both the combo as well as a brute force way to unlock the Bios manually with AMIBCP 5.02 + FPTW64.exe+ RU (required to use RU To disable Bios Lock bios option, otherwise a modded APTIO will not flash with FPTW64).

I purchased my jokebook before I knew better. Now I know better. Next purchase will be a 9900K which will either go into a desktop upgrade or a Clevo LGA notebook if a decent TDP RTX 2080 becomes available that isn't a max Q Ngreedia abortion.

I would be a lot more sympathetic towards MSI if they actually bothered to release proper cooling in their GT75 Titan throttlebook for SINGLE CARD GPU systems:

like this: like they are doing for the WT75 and the upcoming "F7/Evoc" Coffee Lake LGA barebones system.


Look at those 5 heatpipes keeping the CPU cool and not having the GPU VRM's puking heat on the radiator.

Instead this is what jokebook users got on the GT75 Titan:


No that's not a concept drawing.
That's the GPU VRM heatsink from the GT75VR having the GPU VRM radiator "Cut in half", 1 heatpipe removed, and then the other half the radiator attached to an "extended" CPU heatpipe to a CPU half radiator while they puke heat on each other and the GPU VRMs have less cooling also.

Still 3 heatpipes on i9 8950HK.

MSI could have easily used the WT75 system and given SINGLE card users 5 nice heatpipes and 2 full rads for the CPU.

That would have been a nice jokebook.
But no.....

 

What is VDR? this is as it relates to power circuit ? I think this race of cores has just begun. It's worth the wait ( i10 1020K 10/20 ) after 2-3 years, and RTX 3080 on 7-9 nm maybe

 

VDR?
I never typed the word VDR anywhere?
Was that a typo?

 

sorry - this is google translate

 

I I understood that this is processor overheating because the voltage is too high from the box. And undervolting help in this situation. but my laptop keeps normal temperatures without undervolting. I have enough of this result

 

But clocks could perhaps stay stock (3.1GHz) without drop if you undervolt. Higher voltage = Higher power consumption. 6700Hq@45w locked chips.

 

3,091 and 2991. The difference is all 0.1 GHz. This is not a big problem for me.
The reason was in the test using FPU. In the test (CPU + FPU + GPU) there is no such problem that the frequency of the processor does not fall below 3.1 GHz.

 

I can confirm that IA AC DC loadline settings make a lot of difference. I'm a GE63VR 7RF user, i7-7700hq draws around 49 and 50 watts @ 3.4ghz using prime95 small fft, with core and cache at -80mV. I also made IMON changes to defeat tdp limit, my laptop works like a charm @ 3.4 GHz all cores active with no overheating or throttling.

 

Good work.

 

Not good as yours, thanks for all explanations of you and others, otherwise it wouldn't be possible.

 

Can we replace the built in killer network 1435 card on our laptop with Intel Wireless-AC 9260?

Here's a link to Intel 9260 card: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/wireless-products/dual-band-wireless-ac-9260-brief.html

 

Yes, it is replaceable with an Intel 9260 card.

 

But, you are forgetting, Brother @Falkentyne... it works " as intended" so it's all good. Glory to Lord Azor.

Wasn't it the Intel 9260 that @Ultra Male had a butt-load of problems with and went back to the Killer card without the Control Panel cancer?

 

I had a lot of problems initially with the Intel 9260, then I tried the Killer 1550 which turned out to be the same freakin' card with the addition of the Killer Network Performance App (bloatware IMHO). After the drivers improved the performance of the card drastically, I saw no point in staying with the Killer 1550 because once you get online, the Microsoft Store automatically install the Killer Networking app in the background and while I could uninstall it, I wanted no traces of it on my system in any way, shape, or form; hence why I went back to the Intel 9260 as it's not performing good without having to deal with the Killer Bloatware.

Another with Killer is they are slacking lately with the drivers, Intel's drivers although they work on the Killer 1550 since it's the same exact card, are much newer than the outdated Killer Ones. like 3 generations older. So sad, especially with the release of Windows 10 Redstone 5, Killer Networking didn't even bother to release any updated WLAN drivers or Bluetooth Drivers!

Take a look:

Killer Networking Drivers: https://www.killernetworking.com/killersupport/driver-downloads

Intel Drivers: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/72252/Intel-PROSet-Wireless-Software

Compare the Bluetooth Driver versions for an example, you will see the Killer Drivers have been on v2.60 since more than 5 months while Intel released 2.70 then 2.90 just recently with the release of Windows 10 Redstone 5.

I have sworn to never buy a laptop that has the "Killer" sticker on it.


@Killer_Networking

 

Was there a reason you needed new drivers? Was something messed up or malfunctioning?

I ask because I am using network drivers that are old. They work well, so there is no point whatsoever in updating them. As a general rule, when your system is stable and performing well, it is not even a smart thing to do. It might not be with the "latest and greatest" driver installed.

 

The issue with older drivers was flaky link speed to my Wireless LAN and horrid speeds sometimes. The new drivers improved that drastically.

@Charles P. Jefferies

For some reason, whenever Mr. Fox tags or quotes me, I never get notifications. I do get all other notifications from all other users and he's not on my block list obviously what could be the issue?

 

I couldn't say. Maybe unfriend/unsubscribe to him and resubscribe. Message me privately (which you're always welcome to do) if that doesn't work.

Charles

 

Ok I didn't follow him before. I followed him now and will PM you if I still don't get notifications from him.

@Mr. Fox

Can you please quote this post and say something?

Example: Testing:

 

Is it working now @Ultra Male?

 

And, how about now?

 

It worked!

 

T

This also worked

@Charles P. Jefferies

 

Hello @Ultra Male,

We only release drivers after we have tested them to make sure they work well with our feature set, and if the driver has updates that affect the Intel device that the 1550 is based upon. The current Intel Wi-Fi driver on Intel's website for the 9260 is 20.90.7, while the current version on our website is 20.80.0.5. We have not received any complaints that indicate that there is a driver issue with the 1550. If you have had an issue with 20.80.0.5, I can certainly notify QA to test for whatever issues you are seeing, though I will need some details in order for them to duplicate the problem.

Regarding Bluetooth drivers, those are best left alone unless you are experiencing problems. Windows 10 too often has problems with Bluetooth to mess with a working setup. The drivers that we have on our website are the latest known drivers that we have tested to work well. For the most part, Windows Update will update your Intel Bluetooth drivers when Microsoft decides that it is safe to do so based upon their testing with the current version of Windows and your hardware configuration.

-- Anthony with Killer Networking

 

OU... There are representatives of the killer here . Are there representatives of AAVID THERMALLOY here ?? What can you say about your dying PABD19735BM fans at a price of 35-40 $ ???

 

Take apart the fan (remove the sticker) and remove the washer and clean the spindle with Deoxit D5 before you are sure the fan died. If you have some Honda / Shin Etsu G-30M or G-40M, you can apply a very tiny amount of that for lubrication also.

 

Unfortunately, it's not about lubrication. The fan chip is dying. It just does not start. This is a massive defect PABD19735BM . I bought new fans and one of them does not work, the master in the workshop said that it could not be restored.

 

Hello gents. I have an issue with my mini DP on the GT62VR RE. The pins have got really bent somehow and I can't get output anymore to my 144hz monitor. I have tried bending them back into place and that worked before but now they seem completely ruined.

My monitor can't do 144hz over HDMI as far as I can tell.

https://gtrusted.com/check-if-your-...splay-docking-station-with-usb-power-delivery This article seems to think that on the GT62VR RE the USB C 3.1 can do video output which would allow me to get 144hz.

Has anyone tried using it for video output? I'm aware that it isn't a thunderbolt port on this laptop but from what I have read as long as it has displayport mode then it should be ok.

Any advice/adapters etc that people know of would be great! Ty!

 

Can anyone verify if the GL62VR-7RFX uses the same chassis as the GT62vr/other 62 line variants?

I'm guessing it shares a lot of the same components but figured I would ask