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So, is anyone doing any kind of heavy duty overclocking of the MSI 16L13 with 6700K CPU? I'm looking for some benchmarks to see how far this little guy can be pushed and what delidded 6700K temps look like at 4.8GHz.

 

What do you want me to test at 4.8ghz?

 

wPrime 32M and Cinebench R11.5, 3DMark 11, Fire Strike and 3DMark Vantage.

After I get my P870DM3 I may want to sell my P750ZM and replace it with one of these if the overclocking is robust and the temps are manageable.

 

Ok bud... working on your request.

 

4.8 GHz!? And here I'm happy I got to 4.0 without thermal issues.

 

Sure, why not? If the cooling system can handle it. I ran the Eurocom Sky X9 and Clevo P870DM-G 6700K at 4.8GHz all the time. My P750ZM is not quite robust enough for that much as a daily driver overclock... heat sink is just too small to handle that much constantly, but I do run the 4790K at 4.3GHz 24/7 and bench it at 4.8GHz. Of course, that's with those CPUs delidded and running Liquid Ultra... wasn't doable with ordinary thermal paste and no delid.

But, that's why I am asking about this MSI. It looks very interesting and I am intrigued by it. It's almost impossible to do a "try before you buy" with most laptops and I'm not trilled about taking risks with my money. Maybe when I am ready to make a decision @EurocomTechspert would let me do a insane overclocking review on a Tornado F5 and if it passes all of my testing I can buy it instead of sending it back. Got to get my EVOC P870DM3 with @Prema goodness first though.

 

Download Benchmark test from bro @Phoenix Software thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/phoenix-software-updates.794490/
I think the cooling in Eurocom Tornado F5 have headroom for more than 4.0 GHz Time for testing And 6600K with same clockspeed will be less hot than 6700K

 

So after I froze up trying to get to 4.8ghz.. XTU nor ThrottleStop will let me go past 4.1ghz now.. No matter what multi I set, it's stuck at 4.1ghz. So testing has halted thus far. I was stable with stock voltage at 4.7 it seemed so far tho.

Edit: Had to reset the EC controller..

Next issue is that if I set a static voltage, everything freaks out and the CPU will only run at 1.2ghz. Seems like there might be a overvoltage protection or something set up to where you can manually specify it :/

If I let it do auto voltage, it will automatically up the voltage for every time I up the multiplier.. It's around 1.35volts at 4.7ghz but it's not very stable like I thought, it crashes pretty quickly now.

Looks like 4.6ghz is my tops right now.

 

@Mr. Fox at 4.6ghz and 1.3volts it still hits almost 100c under wPrime 1024 fairly quickly should give you an idea how how a delidded 6700K runs in here. This is on auto fans.

It's possible my de-lid paste job isn't great and not doing as well as expected though.

 

Well, that's still not too bad. I might be able to circumvent some of those issue as long as MSI hasn't locked down OC mailboxes and registers in the BIOS. Thank you for trying. I appreciate it.

 

We are trying to get a flashable bios so Svet can unlock it but Eurocom nor CyberpowerPC will send one.. Eurocom is actually completely ignoring my e-mails to support.. I believe they are instructed to ignore BIOS requests I guess? Seems shady to me.

That being said, the stock BIOS has no features and is very basic.. no OC controls at all.. everything has to be done via software at the moment.

 

It might not be your paste job. It could be the heat sink isn't big enough. I have to use AC cooling on my P750ZM for benching it at 4.8GHz because the heat sink is too small to handle such high clock speeds.

Again, I really appreciate the effort. Maybe I can get one for some overclock testing at some point. That would be fun.

 

If I actually get one I might have to pull the BIOS chip and dump the firmware with my programmer so that can be modded and flashed back to the chip, then soldered back on. That mechanical part is really easy to do, but the firmware modding is something I would need to have someone else do because I have not learned how.

Does this machine have AMI/Aptio BIOS or something else?

 

The heatsink isn't very large but I can undervolt to -165mv and hit 4.1/4.2ghz stable with temps only reaching 70c usually. Things just get way too scary hot after these multis. I think the BIOS is trying to apply more dynamic voltage and screwing up the overclock though.. That's why we need a modded bios :/

 

Well you can already easily dump the BIOS firmware but Svet scanned it and says he cannot "add features" to a already flashed bios.. He needs the original flashable BIOS because what happens is features are stripped when it gets flashed. He modifies the "what gets flashed" feature set before you do the flashing.

We still need the original flashable bios.

 

Depending on what firmware it uses it might still be possible, but it may require mechanical flashing of the chip with modded firmware. Conventional software flashing may not be possible.

Is it AMI/Aptio BIOS or something else?

Many OEMs do not distribute laptop BIOS files, and one of the reasons they do not is to keep us from doing what needs to be done to make it work the way we want it to. They are very protective and want to control everything. So, I am not surprised that they are not giving that to you.

 

AMI.

 

OK, that's awesome.

Will ThrottleStop let you manipulate the voltage? Unless MSI has done something to interfere with it you should be able to run 4.5 to 4.6GHz with stock voltage settings, but you need to increase the power limits. Stock power limits are too low for those clock speeds and the CPU will throttle.

 

@Diversion - Try this and see how high ThrottleStop will let you set power limits.

 

It won't let me set a static voltage.. but voltage offset seems to work. I'll keep playing around with it.

 

Sounds like MSI might be blocking some things in the firmware. If some OC mailboxes, MSRs and registers are locked XTU and ThrottleStop will have limited access.

 

Don't think I really need to mess with this since it lets me just lock a multiplier though right? I set it to 45 multiplier and it just sticks forever anyways. Isn't these settings for adjusting the turbo time limits?

 

Stock or max fans? You have to understand that the EC version on this laptop is the exact same as the GT62VR and therefore the exact same silent fan profile that is optimized for silence. Expecting to hit 4.6ghz in a 15" laptop with a GTX 1070 and being fairly quiet just isn't going to happen. Desktops run 4.6ghz on freaking water.

 

If the limits is too low, the higher clockspeed can't hold(multi go down during load). Can you show us your TS settings?
And you haven't access to force max fans? What with Hwinfo manuel fan control?

 

We can force max fans with touch of a button.

 

Get the laptop, we could use a guy like you finding how to properly tune it. This is the first laptop I've seen from MSI in a long time that isn't BGA. I'll be honest its easily my favorite laptop I've ever owned. The performance, price, and quality of the laptop are IMO unbeatable. The fans favor silence over performance, but can be forced to max with a single button. Even at max they are very quiet fans while moving a ton of air. They are more of a low whiirr noise and less of that annoying high pitched vacuum cleaner noise that many laptops utilize.

 

Nice. Then he should use maxed fans for longer bench with +4.5 GHz

 

I might, but it will have to wait until I get my P870DM3 first and then I will need to sell my P750ZM to have the money. I'm down to one laptop at the moment so I can't sell it until I have the monsterbook. I'm sure it's a decent machine and I would not even consider it if I didn't think so. It's the only MSI offering I would entertain the idea of owning since it is not BGA and I am excited to see it being sold by @EurocomTechspert as well. I'd love to see the success of this model be meaningful enough to drive future engineering decisions made by MSI on other models with crappy BGA CPUs. They need to change the paradigm and BGA ain't gonna cut it no matter what they do with powerful GPUs.

 

I am able to set a static voltage, but like my desktop it adds an offset on its own. For example on my desktop I run 1.17v for 4.2ghz on my 5820k, but real world windows reported voltage may go a tad higher than that around 1.20v.

I will do further testing to see how low I can set the static voltage at stock and then work up form there.

 

Yeah, some of that is normal Skylake behavior and I don't think there is much that can change that. I've read numerous posts by desktop owners that experience the same thing.

 

I am talking about the power limits (highlighted in yellow). You should increase those for overclocking because the stock values are too low. I have them totally maxed out in the screen shot because that is how I run my CPU power limits. You should manually set at least like 250 or 300 where I have highlighted. That won't increase temperatures like increasing voltage will. Then move both turbo time limit sliders all the way to the right.

That's right... Brother @Papusan knows what I'm talking about. That could be why your CPU is losing clock speeds under load. So increase the power limits on the TPL screen as show in the screen shot.



ThrottleStop may also let you increase your cache ratio if MSI hasn't locked that down. You have to set that for each profile. It does not apply globally. Keep the cache ratio equal to or less than core multiplier ratio. Set the minimum and maximum cache ratio equal.

 

I wouldn't get too mad at Eurocom. I checked their BIOS repository and they do not have the BIOS for the F5 Tornado. It would be nice if they responded to your emails, but at this point they do not have it (or it's flashed by someone else). They have all the ones for the Clevo-based models, but I guess MSI doesn't want to share.

 

Yeah, no reason to get upset with Eurocom. They cannot give it to you if MSI doesn't let them have it. However, if they knew the reason you want it is to mod it, then they might not let you have it even if they have access to it.

 

Speaking of battery. is it possible if you just pull out the socket of the battery (just the ac adapter) if you're just going to put the nb at home for sometime?

 

Oh please Mr Fox do the bios mod for this nb. Thanks in advance hehe

 

Don't get me wrong - I have no real desire to need to go past 4.0 to 4.2 as that's just insanely incredible in a laptop this small.. I'm more than happy at stock speeds

I was at auto and max fan speed.. I don't consider max fans to be a realistic use case scenario and never will as in, if you need to use max fans just to be able to handle temperatures, you probably shouldn't be using those clocks.

 

I get what you guys are saying, however if i'm hitting 100c and it's downclocking, I don't want/need to force it to not downclock at 100c because that's just dangerous already in my opinion. I don't want to exceed 100c.

My point was that at 4.6 and 4.7 it would only downclock when it bounced off 100c.. Before 100c it wouldn't ever. It's only reacting to the Proc Hot command.. In throttlestop I had BD Proc Hot turned off which i think attempts to keep it from downclocking before it hits 100c.

 

No, that would be for number-chasing benchmark fun. It would certain suck to have to run the fans full blast all of the time.

Looking at the inside of that machine (from the photos on Eurocom web page and their YouTube video) it looks like the heat sinks might be fairly easy to mod as well. I could see adding a couple of additional heat pipes and then adding copper plates to bridge all of the existing pipe should not be too difficult and I'd bet that would make a huge difference in cooling. I did a similar mod to the 980M SLI heat sinks in the Sky X9 to keep the 180W 980 SLI from burning up and it worked quite well. As far as I can tell, it looks like those mods would still fit under the bottom cover.

 

Agreed.. A simple "Hey we dont even have one to give you" would have been good enough.

 

I've heard a few people say that they don't respond to emails.

 

Yeah extra pipes should be doable.. I posted some up close photos about 10 pages back or so.. I had both the GT6VR and Barebones together at the time. I think it's a great machine.

 

Also, the -165mv undervolt by itself dropped wattage by 20-25ish. And the de-lid helped load temps by about 8-10c. Next I want to see if I can mount the CPU heatsink directly to the CPU die but I think there's too much gap to allow it.. I forgot to even try it when I re-assembled it :/

 

Ah, found them! Those are some nice pics, bro. Yeah, looks like there is some wiggle room in there to do some custom cooling mods. I bet if they had tried just a little harder that could have easily been a 5-pipe CPU heat sink.

Honestly, I don't see a legitimate reason for the BGA model to even exist, LOL. Looks like the same thing with a crippled CPU in place of the good one. I sure do wish MSI would do this with all of their retail channel notebooks. The world would be a better place.

 

Had you Cache on a par with Multi? If so... Reduce Cashe ratio for lower temp

 

It's at the stock x41 on cache.. What can I lower the cache to without sacrificing too much performance?

 

After having both units, I don't really know either.. Other than I guess BGA runs "safer" and is thus the retail version of the unit.

 

Crysis3 first game that locks up my system when cpu is at 4ghz and 1070 stock speeds.. I must be hitting the PSU power limit.

 

I've had both the GT62VR retail and this barebones as well and I can say there is simply no comparison in performance/dollar. The barebones is a far superior product. Eurocom barebones with no logo is more reserved and more refined.

I hope MSI realizes the potential they have with this system and improves upon it on next gens. I'm looking forward to swapping out my CPU for a Kaby Lake.

 

Really? I haven't had a single issue with any games yet. 230w has been powering it all fine. In addition it looks like it also has access to the battery if the PSU is too small so it shouldn't be locking up.

I also haven't tried that game.

 

Well I dunno then, locked up 3 times in Crysis3 when I was running my 4ghz -165mv undervolt setup. Unless my CPU is unstable with the undervolt at 4ghz which is a possibility.