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I need the bios as well and have e-mailed Eurocom twice.. They seem to ignore bios requests completely, just like CyberpowerPC. They act as if a BIOS is completely taboo and dangerous to a computer or will easily brick a machine.

We need the bios so Svet can unlock it.. He said he requires the flashable BIOS and unfortunately cannot mod a dumped bios from the barebones.. Although I was able to dump mine bios, he can't do anything with it.

 

@Diversion thanks for the drivers. Let me give them a go.

Also did you get a 80gb hard drive in your barebones on arrival or was the HD bay empty?

 

Nope everything empty.. you got lucky! Haha.

 

It doesn't look like they have it, at least not yet.

 

Did you ever look to see what was in that free HDD? If it's empty, try running a file recovery program like Recuva on it

 

Probably some very old pr0n.

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Maybe you have flashable BIOS for the Tornado in that HDD

 

Owner guys of the barebone,
Is it finally a true TB3 port (din't see your confirmation yet or do I have missing a post)?
Thanks

 

According to website it's Thunderbolt 3

According to garry at Eurocom its Thunderbolt 3 and cormfirmed via email.

The website had me install Thunderbolt drivers

It has a Thunderbolt lightning symbol on the port.

The BIOS has Thunderbolt options.

 

If sbc3 can work on gt62vr, could you please PM that link also to me?
Thanks

 

PM'd.

 

I have no way of verifying what Thunderbolt speed the port is..

 

No, there won't be a real day to day difference felt from those faster M.2 PCIE x4 drives, unless you only do a very high percentage of copying large files between M.2 PCIE x4 drives.

The trick to thinking about this is to realize that even if the disk IO is 3x faster, that disk transfer time is only a fraction of the total time needed to complete a function or transaction that includes IO as a small portion of the time it takes to complete.

Spoiler: Long example discussion to highlight this conceptually

IO is a very small factor in many operations in a computer, yet has a small role to play in all transactions.

Over all improvement in function can be made by improving IO speed by 2x-3x, but you might not actually feel it in day to day use behind the mouse, so to speak.

If your 3x-5x faster disk can reduce the time it takes for an IO transfer by 2/3, that would seem to be a very large improvement, but not as much as you might initially think.

IO's can take very small fractions of a second, so a 2/3 drop in that small fraction of a second won't be noticeable when taken into the overall time a program or function takes to run.

My first experience with this was writing a device driver for the first SATA add-in board for the Macintosh. A Nubus SATA card which ran IO up to 3x faster than the built-in SATA on the Macintosh.

As it turned out, the "real feel" in usage in the Mac OS wasn't noticeable. The Mac IO stack "ate up" so much time that the IO transfer speed improvement while up to 3x faster didn't show up as much of an overall improvement in IO.

Say for example that the whole IO takes 9 units of time.

The Actual disk IO transfer represents 3 units of those 9 units of time.

Those 3 units were reduced to 1 unit, but the other 6 units of time are still needed to complete the IO, so the improvement from the built-in IO to the new speedy SATA Nubus card was 9 units of time down to 7 units of time.

What was thought of as a 3x speed improvement showed up as an actual 20% speed improvement for a complete IO transfer. And, that IO transfer was only a fraction of the time to complete a function or program, so that 20% disappears into that overall run time as well.

A 20% speed improvement isn't bad, but it's not 3x faster showing up to the end user. Factored in to the overall time for a program to run, that 20% improvement in data transfer speed through the MacOS file system disappeared almost completely to the end user.

Fortunately our feedback to Apple gave them the ammunition to figher for a re-write of the basic IO system which came to the end user as much better overall speed improvement in the MacOS file system code, which did eventually double the throughput to the user, but that still it didn't translate into a 3x faster experience to the end user.

So I think saving 50%-70% $$$ will be a real effect felt, and held in much higher regard by the end-user than any perceptible small speed improvements

You can currently get M.2 SATA drives, up to 1TB - 2TB soon? - for less than 1/2-1/3 the cost of the M.2 PCIE drives, and you can RAID0 them all - 3 to 4 M.2's SATA vs. only 2 M.2 PCIE.

I was running 1.65GB/sec with 4x RAID0 M.2 SATA II, and I think in the new Skylake you could get the theoretical 2.0GB/sec with the higher throughput PCH - but I think only the GT80/GT72S has 4x M.2 SATA capability.

At least you can get 3x 550GB/sec = 1.65GB/sec @ less than 1/2-1/3 the cost of the M.2 PCIE drives.

In the GT62 I don't think RAID is available(?), and if it was you would need to RAID0 1x M.2 SATA + 1x 2.5" SATA same make/model, check the BIOS.

The 16L13 might be able to RAID 2x M.2. If the 16L13 supports RAID maybe even 3x RAID0 with 2x M.2 SATA + same make/model 2.5" SATA?? I did RAID0 2x M.2 SATA + 1x 2.5" SATA on an Asus G750JH, which was awesome

$239 => Sandisk SD8SN8U-1T00-1122 X400 1TB M.2 2280 Solid State Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...6082&cm_re=m.2_1tb-_-0D9-0006-000G1-_-Product

$769 => Toshiba OCZ RD400 M.2 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 x 4 MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) RVD400-22280-1T
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820228164&cm_re=m.2_1tb-_-20-228-164-_-Product

$Coming Soon => SAMSUNG 960 PRO M.2 1TB NVMe PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V6P1T0BW
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147597&cm_re=m.2_1tb-_-20-147-597-_-Product

 

Plus one thing to keep in mind is that you can raid TWO non-NVme M2 sized SSD in the barebones (according to Eurocom's info) to achieve 2+gb/reads and writes theoretically. The problem is that it's not very cost effective.

The cost of a non-NVme SSD m2 costs pretty much the same as a much faster NVMe model. So my plan is a single 960 Pro 512gb in my M2 slot #1, and putting a 1tb Sandisk cheapy in the other m2 and I have a 1tb 2.5" SATA SSD in my sata slot already.

Using Windows, you can create a drive array with different drives so I'll be arraying the 1tb m2 with the 1tb 2.5" drive to create a large 2tb Data drive.. All the performance stuff will run off the single NVMe 960 Pro.

 

Dealing with Hurricane Matthew in Florida right now.. But while I have power, I find I can run the full speed 4.0ghz-4.2 turbo when doing windows/application stuff with my undervolt and temps are really acceptable.

I made a Throttlestop profile for gaming where I downclock to 3.4ghz and temps never go over 55c!

And lastly, a battery profile that runs the CPU up to 1.6ghz which seems to be the lowest the 6700K will go since it won't lock any lower multipliers than 16.

Loving the laptop, it's by far the best machine i've EVER owned.. The flexibility and full desktop power is so amazing in such a small notebook. It's got fantastic speakers, hardware, drivers.. Etc.. everything works perfect. And the best part, it's practically always amazingly silent and even when the fans ramp up, soooo quiet for the sheer power under the hood. Gaming is so wonderfully quiet.

I get so giddy using this thing.

 

You need to check prices again, as the M.2 SATA drives are much cheaper than the M.2 PCIE drives, like by 2x-3x cheaper, look at my example, and run your own comparisons.

2x 1TB M.2 = 2 x $239 = $478

2x 1TB M.2 PCIE = 2 x $769 = $1538

That's a big premium to pay for M.2 PCIE

 

There are three tiers of m2 SSD though.. There's SATA3/6, PCIe using the PCIe protocol, and then NVMe (PCIe with NVMe protocol).

If you find the SATA based PCIe m2 then yes, you're correct.. but look for the middle tier ones that have around 1.4gb reads.. Those prices are very similar to NVMe from when I did about 2 hours of researching models and prices on Amazon and Newegg.

Unless I missed some? Can you provide me a link to a cheap 1gb+ speed PCIe that isn't NVMe?

 

I went by size on newegg, 1TB those are the choices. You only have 1 M.2 slot on the GT62 and only 2 slots on the 16L13, so you want to maximize density - I wouldn't go for less than 1TB sized M.2's.

I have also done the comparison in the past with 500-550GB M.2's and the savings is similar 2x-3x.

The slower M.2 PCIE non-NVME are going to cost more too, you might find the lopsided 1.4GB/500GB Read/Write M.2 PCIE drives, but the improvement again won't be noticed, so why spend even a little more?

And, you are talking about the new Samsun 960, which will likely have an even higher % premium at launch and not drop in price for quite a while, certainly no savings there

 

haha you lucky man. But 80gb sounds super dated

 

Well if I were on the GT62VR, i'd be going for a NVMe based one in the m2 and a storage cheapy SSD 1 or 2tb drive for the 2.5" bay.

Basically i'm doing the same thing on my barebones except going to array out the second m2 slot to the 2.5" bay for 2tb storage drive.

 

Would be nice if @Talon does have a flashable BIOS on that drive though! Then we can work on getting it modded!

 

Yeah, you said that, and then @ThePerfectStorm asked about the speed difference between M.2 SATA and M.2 PCIE, and would they really feel the improvement - was it worth the cost?

And, I said no, it's not worth the added cost, as it won't be something you will notice day to day in normal usage.

Then we started talking about cost, and you said it was the same cost for a M.2 SATA vs M.2 PCIE / Samsung 960 of the same size, and I pointed out that's not the case at all and there is a 2x-3x premium currently for M.2 SATA to M.2 PCIE (NVME) drives.

And, now we are done?

Or, do you have some examples of where the M.2 SATA = M.2 PCIE price / GB?

 

@Diversion big thanks for that software. I managed to get SoundBlaster Cinema 3 software working perfectly on my GT62 Barebones. Sound is louder and clearer.

 

Thanks a lot for the help! Very much appreciated. Useful info.

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My notebook just arrived! Currently installing Windows 10.

 

Woohoo! You're gonna *LOVE* it.

 

For bios i think you can extract it via cpuz. for the firmware i dont know how can it be exctracted though.

 

I already dumped both the BIOS and EC BIOS but it doesn't do us any good as you need the base flashable BIOS to mod it's functions before it gets flashed onto the laptop.

 

I think the only solution is if one of the vendors here can post the bios and firmware version for this model though.. You can't do anything with a full potential desktop replacement nb which has a desktop cpu on it and the bios is locked...

BTw.. so this nb can take of up to 330 watts with a gtx 1080 and an unlock desktop cpu right? Thanks

 

No clue if this nb will work with 1080 since it can only be config up to 1070 on every website. Even its using 330w, if 1080 need extra 8pin power or extra space, it will not fit.

 

Dumb question, but what button is it to get into bios? There's no prompt when the laptop boots up.

Edit: Doh, figured it out

 

It's 2:30am now and I'm still playing with the notebook...

Everything stock, max CPU temps are under 80C running Prime95's small FFT test. I am extremely impressed so far If I can get all cores to 4.0 GHz and a nice undervolt, I'll be satisfied.

 

We don't need an unlocked BiOS to overclock the CPU. We overclock fine with Intel XTU and Throttlestop. The unlocked BIOS would offer a few additional options but mostly unnecessary.

 

I undervolt -165mV and run 4.0ghz on all cores. It's a beast. In games this keeps CPU temps under control and well below anything I would consider high.

 

This is the GTX 1080 from MSI GT83V. I think the size is similar to the GTX 1070 mxm board.. I hope this one fits in this NB..

 

Were you able to get MSI Dragon Center running? Whenver I try to launch it, it says something along the lines of "This is only supported on MSI products"

 

A GTX 1080 won't work on the barebones or GT62 likely because MXM is limited to 100 watts of power. The 1080 requires around 150 watts.

 

Under 80c entire time? At about 5+ minutes i'm still in the 90C range with small FPU torture test and i'm de-lidded.. Something sounds up. And -165mv undervolt too.

 

Remember, I have the weaker 6600k, not a 6700k

Testing for stability now...

http://imgur.com/a/70wTQ

 

Oh haha, you're right.. I forgot you had the 6600K.. Phew I was thinking my paste job was bad again lol.

 

Hi guys, i'm glad I started following this thread and thanks for sharing your findings! I've been looking for a 1070 laptop and the msi gt62vr was a front runner for awhile. Now I am really sold on picking up the Eurocom T5 with a 6600k to manage temps. It seems that everyone is having great results with this notebook, has anyone run into any issues or have any complaints after owning it for a few days? Thinking of pulling the trigger really soon.

 

Zero issues.. an amazing machine. I really can't think of anything better you could buy that can equal this power for less money or similar cash other than Clevo/Sager but the new ones have probably more complaints vs the 16L13.

 

Doing another battery test.. Been on battery for 1 hour and 34 minutes so far. 60% left. Been doing a lot of browsing and downloading a 40gb game the entire time.

 

No major problems thus far. I'll give you some honest points:

Cons:
It took over 4 weeks for me to receive my notebook. Your experience will probably be better though, since I was an early adopter.

Plastic constructions feels kind of cheap. My biggest gripe is the fact that the back cover uses plastic snap-fit clips. In my experience these tend to break off over the years if you are someone who tinkers with the internal components a lot.

The 330W power brick is hilariously big. I'll measure with my kill-a-watt meter later this week. I might consider downgrading to the 230W brick if I'm not drawing too much power.

Pros:
Literally everything else.

It's lightweight.

It's quiet. Seriously, I've NEVER heard a gaming notebook this quiet under load before.

With my spec, it runs amazingly cool. I haven't even redone the thermal paste yet, and I'm at ~75C running Prime95 small FFT @4.0 GHz.

This might be the best laptop you can buy in the "portable desktop" class. With the student discount, I paid $1418 including shipping. Add in the cost of the SSD and free Windows 10 (student Dreamspark program), and my total was around $1500. For a 6600k + 1070 in a laptop form factor? That's a steal.

 

Yeah i'll have to agree some pieces of the construction aren't amazing but what they achieved inside the unit and the space and ease of working on the unit is great.. They positioned everything perfectly well and the internals are of top notch quality.. Especially the Z170 motherboard.. the power delivery nodes to the cpu are desktop class.

And honestly, I thought i'd need a 330watt but so far i've had no power issues even running at 4.0ghz and the 1070 in games going both full tilt.. no throttling issues! You should definitely be fine with a 230 since your cpu only draws 65watts.. And mine will hit almost 90 watts (with undervolt) but hardly though.. Only in Small FPU test will i see it hit over 75 watts on CPU alone.. And the system doesn't shut down when I run Furmark + Prime95 at the same time . The CPU will throttle back though under that scenario down to around 3.6ghz or so. Lol.. Such an amazing machine.

Good honest review!

 

I wish the 3-finger swipes would work to go back and forward in browsers.. Can't get it to work.. Apparently a lot of people with Synaptics have this issue in Windows 10 though..

 

Thanks for the feedback! So a 230w power brick should be sufficient for the 6600k? Also anyone know where I can source a USB copy of Windows 10 PRO without paying an arm and a leg?

Going to probably opt for one without a HD and add in RAM and a M.2 SSD myself. Does anyone know what the stock 8GB stick is in here to match?

 

Yep.. 230 is fine.

 

It depends what they give you. I opted for the default 2133 MHz 8 GB, but they gave me 2400 MHz 8GB. They will list the exact part number when your notebook ships, so you can grab it from Amazon while it ships

 

They also upgraded my 8gb to 2400mhz,