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Just got my new GS65 in from HIDEvolution. The LM definitely helps the temps compared to the best buy GS65 I have. Unfortunately though, it does seem like I got a worse chip on the gpu lottery. The best buy one would o/c stable at +200 core +400 mem. The new one only gets +175 core +375 mem. Firestrike 13793 (graphics 15485). GPU temp maxed at 69c on the firestrike stress test, so I was hoping to get some more performance out of it. Anything suggestions for other tweaks I could do?

 

Ignore benchmark scores. Do you actually get MORE performance in games from that +25 mhz / +25 mhz extra overclock? Because GPU lottery is GPU lottery. Just take what you can get.

 

Oh yeah for sure. The gaming performance is great and I love the temps I'm getting with the LM. Zero throttling in anything I've thrown at it so far with a fairly conservative -125mv on the cpu.

I just wanted a bigger firestrike number for fun.

 

What do you consider weird?

Rattle, clicking, rumble, hissing, spitting, quoting Immanuel Kant?

Can you tell - isolate - which fan / side the noise is coming from? CPU only stress test shows the noise, or only GPU intensive tasks, or both?

Does it make you happy, if you consider it imaginatively?

 

If it makes you feel better, I can only undervolt -72mV on my CPU (3.9 GHz) and overclock the GPUs core +165mhz. Any more undervolting on the CPU crashes my system. A higher overclock on the GPU results in crashing as well.
But, the performance is outstanding. Temps with my custom fan curve stay below 75c for the cpu and gpu when playing all games at maxed settings. I experience no throttling at all. Super happy with my purchase from HIDevolution.

Cinebench - 1260
Final fantasy 15 - 58fps average (high), 42fps average (high + all nvidia gameworks on)
Rise of the Tomb Raider - 89fps average
Rainbow Six Siege - 95fps average maxes out (txaa)




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Scored 1252 in Cinebench while on battery

 

It’s making noise even on idle, on intensive tasks it makes noise but that is expected. The problem is that on idle it’s making this weird noise it’s hard to describe, it’s like a mixture of the sound that it makes on load (but quieter) with a high pitched noise. I’m not sure but I think it’s the cpu fan because it makes the noise even when dedicated graphics is off. Dragon center shows that only fan 1 is spinning I guess that’s cpu.

 

Try turning the laptop (while off) up side down and wiggle it to see if that gets it back on track. Or, it could have injested something like a screw or clipped tie, which turning upside down / sideways might dislodge (temporarily).

There could be a background process bringing up the CPU load and requiring cooling. Start the task manager and look at the active processes (all), and hwinfo64 can give a quick view on 0% vs active cores.

Usually a new laptop will constantly be updating and indexing - DVD / media apps do it too, and we all know about Microsofts data collecting and scheduled reports collating with uploads.

Check to see if something is running that shouldn't be too.

 

The fans are not speeding up. They make sound even when manually set to minimum speed. I will try to turn it up side down and see what happens.

Edit: trurning it upside down didn’t help

 

Weird. What happens when you spin the fans up to 100%? Run it like that for a while, perhaps there are some imperfections that will wear smooth by running at 100% for a while...?

Otherwise you might consider swapping for another unit, and see if that one is better, but usually a bad batch of fans are part of a production run, so you might want to purchase from another retailer to get another production run.

If you are outside the return period (7-15 days usually), you would need to RMA...

 

Awesome! thanks buddy

 

Hi lehrbua,

Can you give more details how you obtain this score ?

Dragon Center and ThrottleStop Setting ?

It's just to confirm because from my side, I only reaching the same score when I overclock the Turbo mode to its max values inside Dragon Center.

Thank you.

 

I live in Brazil amd I bought it in the us. Even if I’m able to send it to the US and get a refund I wouldn’t be able to get a new one. A US$2000 model costs us$5400 here. Will try to let them run at 100% for some time and see what happens.

 

Hopefully that run in will help, at least make them more livable, maybe you can get replacement fans through MSI via Global Warranty support - have you registered your purchase for warranty support?

If you get that far, please make a recording and upload it so we can hear the problem. That recording could be given to MSI as well later if you open a ticket with them for support.

 

heres a recording of the sound. Keep in mind its quieter in real life than on the recording.
And there is also a high pitched sound that happens occasionally but didnt happen when doing the recording.

 

Yeah, sounds like I thought it would sound, there's something hitting the fan's blade(s) as it spin's. That's why I thought maybe something had been caught in the fan - like a piece of plastic or screw, which I thought you might dislodge via shaking it.

Do you have canned air? Compressed air - not the high powered stuff, just the little stream from a compressed air can - you could shoot that from the back exhaust port in to the fan you think is the culprit - maybe that will dislodge the bit of debris causing the clicking?

It could also be a mis tightened fan casing, when put together it might have been such that it was ok, but now with movement and use the fan casing is impinging on the fan?

 

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running them on 100% didnt help, I think I willl contact msi. I read that you can actually return porducts bought on the us here on brazil but I want to avoid it because I probably wont be able to get a new one anytime soon. Anyways thanks for the help.

 

It sounds like the impinging item - or the fan case itself - isn't going to budge without additional pressure, so you could try the compressed air, and / or opening up the case and see if loosening the screws holding that noisy fan to the case helps - it might be over tightened.

Before returning, you could try to get MSI to send you replacement fans. Usually the fans are easy to access and remove / replace.

Open a case with MSI and see what they say. Please come back and let us know how it works out.

 

I dont want to switch them my self because of the flipped motherboard. Maybe i will buy compressed air and check if it works.

 

Hi All,

After 3 weeks of usage, I will take my part to this forum and give you my feed back too...

As I'm little late inside this forum for this I will try to focus on some points (from my point of view) which has not been fully details in others review. I wish it could help last undecided buyers.

=== Short answer === Very good !!! Positive, works as expected without any deal breaker !

=== Long answer ===
...Ready ?... ;-)

So I'm coming from a MacBook Pro 2011, I was on the market like for one year. I was not really in hurry as my Mac was still working nicely, but its gaming performance was really outdated ! FireStrike score: 700 ! ;-)

I'm an occasional player, so I was looking for a good portable notebook with less than 6 pounds, with a good gaming performance, without making any compromise with the battery autonomy.
It was like an unsolvable equation !

I was really interested by the new Razor Blade 15. But its price, the bad reputation of company in terms of support and reliability make me prefer the GS65.
Moreover, the Razer Blade would cost me $1,000 more because I was planning to take a warranty extension with Microsoft Store and also extend the storage to 1Tb - It's less expensive with the GS65 as there are 2 extension slots available for storage...

At the end, I took the BestBuy deal.... $2,000 minus $150 with Free headset from MSI ! (500 Gb SSD).

Pro / Cons and Feedback:
# It's a notebook ! Light with a good autonomy - My requirement was more than 5 hours as I know you can divide autonomy benchmark results by 2 in the real life... Keep in mind that battery life will also decrease in time...
# The size and weight of the power supply is also good for a gamer laptop. I checked the power consumption. It's never exceeded 165 Watts, so 180 Watts is enough.
# Chassis flex. Not strong as my Mac or Razer but still fair and meet my expectations. No flex noise and I use my 2 hands to carry it.
# The case is nice with really limited plastic parts. Nice thin borders. No nose camera. I like the keyboard without numpad, so the keyboard is centered to the laptop.
# The display. I was little bit worried about the limited brightness. Forget it.
Brightness range is enough. I've never had to go to its max value. I'm using the laptop most of the time indoor. It can be only an issue outside with the direct sun on the screen ! Colors are also very good and bleeding is kept under control too.
=> Hey guys, have you noticed how all these LCD / LED displays are getting old faster? After 3 or 4 years colors often become washed ! No way !
# Touchpad not as good as my Mac. But working fine. No missing click. Size is good. I'm not using the clickpad, I prefer the soft click. Real clicks can be an issue. I was using Vivaldi as Web Browser but the scrolling is really badly supported with this touchpad, so I need to come back to Chrome where the scrolling experience is nicer.
# Keyboard. Nice. RGB is funny and easy to set but at the end I setup something discreet. I don't need a light show ! ;-)
# Sound. ==> USE NAHIMIC tools <==. The sound is awful without any enhancement / correction. Nahimic make it good. I also enjoy the stereo effects which is nicely reproduce in such a small case.
# Fan noise. Really good for a so thin notebook !
You need to realize that putting an GTX 1070 (even a MAX Q) and 6 cores CPU in such a small case is just an heresy ! These components are so greedy in energy and heat dissipation ! It's like putting an elephant in a small box ! So MSI made his homework very nicely. Even without any modification, with stock thermal, results are good.
When I chose this laptop, my idea was to take something "too powerful" for me, so I'm able to game and keep fans under control. I'm not using headset. I don't like to be disconnected from my environment. So, with ThrottleStop, I successfully limited the power of CPU to 3.5 Ghz, which allow me to play and keep the fan noise to only 80% of their power. So I have less FPS than hardcore gamers, but the game experience is still really enjoyable. I'm playing with Forza 3, Wolfenstein New Colossus and Far Cry 5.
# MSI software. Dragon Center is good. Not too much invasive and allow you some tuning for average users. SteelSeries for setting the RGB keyboard is not so intuitive, but you will manage it.
I'm also really enjoying "MSI afterburner" to bench-marking. It needs to be downloaded separately from MSI website.
# My last point is a little a complain... The top case is nicely surrounded by a golden line. I don't know if this is a bad luck for me or a general issue, but some part of the golden line is starting to go away... I read elsewhere that some other users are experiencing the same issue.

To conclude, I'm very happy with my new GS65. I successfully found a gamer laptop with really good performance, without major issues, that is not an heavy brick and allow to me to work as nomad far from an electric plug. I also like the unadvertised gamer look.

I will post later details about my personal experience in performance setting.

Did anyone have the energy to read me until the end? ;-)

 

Yep, I did . How much battery life are you getting while doing "normal things" (web browsing, youtube, watching some videos, light work with pro apps, etc). Feel free to update info after undervolting and tweaking it.

 

Could you share your custom fans settings with us?

 

Have anyone been able to run 3,9ghz on all cores or is it not possible?

 

I'm getting 39x multiplier on all cores when running Cinebench, occasionally dropping to 38x on some for a second.

I updated EC to the newest version but didn't notice any changes.

BTW, does anyone know exact differences between ECO, comfort, sport and turbo shift modes? I scored nearly exact the same score running Cinebench with comfort and sport modes.

 

My first post in four years!

I purchased the Best Buy 037 version of the GS65 with BIOS version *.0b. After five to six hours of light use the screen started to violently flicker and went blank. The system would not display the MSI splash screen, boot into the BIOs, or boot into the OS. The only modifications I made was updating the OS, removing bloatware, and connecting an external LG monitor via HDMI. No flippin clue what caused the issue. A bad OEM monitor or bad hardware (botched OEM thermal pad job?). I returned and swapped it for another system the next day.

I note this because the last two revisions of the BIOS, *.0c/d, noted changes to increase the monitors stability. I can’t suggest the revisions were related to my issue. I could only find a single other instance, in this thread, that makes mention of a monitor issue. I thought it prudent to mention it here because my Google kung-fu could not find any prevalent note.

When I received my new notebook I flashed the BIOS to the latest revision and performed a stress-test with Intel XTU software. Rock solid since.

 

0/55/65/75/85/95 for cpu and gpu.


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Just got my gs65! This thing is a beast. @Donald@HIDevolution was amazing in his handling of my order and everyone at HIDevolution! Now I just need to tweak this baby to get the best performance possible. @Phoenix are you still offering this service?

 

Only for the HIDevolution Gaming Team but it's 2 AM here so I'll PM you now just to have the PM open and I'll let you know when I will be online again tomorrow, it will probably be in the afternoon in Dubai time I don't know how we can manage but let's see.

Also, please no questions, or conversations in the PM, it is only for getting your TeamViewer ID/Pass for the tweaking session. any concerns or questions you have must be posted publicly on the forum.

 

Okay sounds good. The tweaking also includes completely removing dragon center am I correct? It’s fine if the tweaking is late at night for me then I could initiate the tweak and go to sleep right?

 

Removing Dragon Center is not a Tweak, it's a must, no one should have that cancer which throttles down your CPU due to low VR Current limits that it keeps enforcing. Period.

For the tweaking, the thing is, a lot of times the TeamViewer pass changes so you'll have to be there.

 

Hi All,

I would like to share my performance results.
First to help newbies to set their system without reading the 200 previous pages of this thread and second to check with others if some succeed to have better results and how they did ?

My GS65 is a stocked thermal.

My best FireStrike score = 13,623 with overclocked Turbo mode in Dragon Center (200 and 300 mhz) and ThrottleStop undervolted at 150.4 mV and with 41, 40, 39 as Turbo Ratio Limits,
and 12,670 with Turbo Mode non overclocked and ThrottleStop with the same settings.

CineBench: 1248 with 40, 40, 39 as Ratio Limits

==> Can someone could explain to me how the Razer Blade succeed to have better results? It's the same components and the difference is huge, about 1,000 points, more over with a CPU limited to 35 Watts !? <==

Undervolting with ThrottleStop is really helping to prevent Throttle.

ThrottleStop settings:
- Undervolt CPU core and CPU cache about 150.4 mV - It looks like it's better or recommended to keep this 2 parameters sync.
- Turbo Radio Limits: 41, 41, 40, 40, 39, 39 or 40, 40, 40, 40, 39, 39.
Speed Shift - EPP = 0
SpeedStep: cheked
C1E: checked. I want to be conservative on the battery, so I don't want to force the system to always run to its full capacity.

Remark: the TS bench from ThrottleStop is an useful tools to check if your system is throttling or not with your current settings.
Make benchmarks with max values as: Normal, 16 and 1024M.

Important remarks: keep your Windows Power Options as Better Performance. Best Performance is not helping.
I also didn't play with advanced / hidden BIOS options.
As reminder from Falkentyne,to activate hidden BIOS setting, press Left Alt + Right Control + Right Shift + F2 inside the Bios.

As I said in a previous post, I'm not an hard core gamer and I like to play without headset.
To keep fans and noise under control, I limit the Turbo Ratio as 38, 37, 36 and CPU and GPU fans to 85%.
There is not too much impact on game performance and noise and temperature remains in range.

Any other or complementary advises from someone help?

 

Ok I’ll be home all day and night tommorow. Taking the day off. Got nailed in the Achilles by a stingray

 

By the way, if you find that the response is too slow when opening app on the battery, if you have access to unlocking the BIOS, you can limit the highest C-state to C6, you should find that it becomes more responsive.

When comparing the key C-state:

C6 = L1/L2 Cache shutdown, write to L3 cache.

C7 = L3 cache clear, write to System agent

C8 = L3 cache shutdown, write to System agent

C9 = System agent to 0V and shutdown, I'd assume that write to RAM at this stage.

C10 = Disable VR

Writing to System agent makes the system sluggy, the deeper it gets mean it takes longer to resume, best if you keep it writing to at least the L3 cache, as the L3 cache on battery still has read 119GB/s, write 75GB/s, Copy 96GB/s and latency of 36.2ns.

By limiting to C6 it is still performing at 10-11W so don't worry about the impact to the battery life, 6 hours + is still not a problem.

By the way, C9 and C10 are not supported in GS65, if you enable it on purpose, it won't use it.

 

Can you qualify what type of use you have, with your battery life? I always find you guys get slot in comparison to me. Though this is the first day in Scholl for me with this laptop, so I'll put the battery life to test.

 

With the highest C-state set to C6:

1. About 4.5-5 hours for youtube, depending on how often you skip to specific time of the video / click on new video / page refresh / load new tab.
2. About 5.5-6.5 hours for office work, depends on how often you open a new file
3. About 7.5-8.5 hours on idle.

Forgot to mention that 10-11W is the wattage on idle.

 

How do you tweak fans curves and other settings without Dragon Center installed?

 

I don't have a need to tweak them but I heard from @Falkentyne that you can use a program called MSI Silent Option to control them.

 

How would you compare temperatures and performance in general between having Dragon Center installed and not? I wonder do I need it at all.

 

never used Dragon Center and won't ever touch it, you see, for my laptop, I need 200A VR Current Limit otherwise the CPU keeps throttling when under load. If I install Dragon Center, it keeps randomly chancing back my VR Current Limit to 144A which causes throttling.

Even without any fan control, the BIOS knows when to have the fans spin up when they reach a certain threshold so I have no need to control them manually.

Here are my temps after playing Need For Speed Payback for 1 hour:






Then check my benchmarks + temps:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...g-094-review-by-phoenix.816385/#post-10721870

 

After one test or looping?

 

I ran 2 test AFAIR, will do 5 minutes stress test after work and report it for you.

 

Can anyone please help me with checking out the dpc latency on gs65 with Latencymon?

I know a lot of msi laptops has struggled with dpc latency which is terrible if you're going to work with music production. Was going for xps 15 9570. 9570 is struggling with latency, so leaning towards gs65.

 

"Sport" keeps CPU clock higher and makes my GS 65 whining. "Comfort" works quieter when Max Power is not needed and makes my GS 65 more quiet and absolutely zero whine. Now I removed Dragon Center and I noticed that the standard setting for GS 65 seems to be like the comfort one: no whine and pleasant CPU behaviour. I didn't notice any difference in gaming performance.

 

All right, I'm gonna uninstall it too then and see how my GS will perform afterwards.

 

Who here plays Overwatch? Is anybody else crashing on it with a "Rendering devices has been lost" error message? It's happened too many times yesterday and I actually lost a lot of competitive/ranked SR due to it and it got as far as me being suspended for a time frame... Then this morning I'm playing and it happens again. I'm getting sick of it.



It's honestly getting annoying. It was only Overwatch I planned on primarily playing in this laptop and it keeps crashing on me. If it can't even do that properly - I might have to return it.

I have it undervolted to -140.6mV on CPU core and cache, with Turbo disabled on Throttlestop. Performs well and temps are great at that setting, but I highly doubt that's the cause since it's the rendering device (graphics card). It only happens in Overwatch, have no problems with Battlefield 1 or any other games that I've tried. Would it be Optimus? Doesn't seem like it. I've searched it up and people with AMD cards usually have this problem on their desktop, and there are some outliers like me who have NVIDIA cards who are also suffering from this.

Also, whoever has Stealth Thin 8RF (1070MQ), can you give me your default registry values on:

• Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Multimedia\SystemProfile\
  
• Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Multimedia\SystemProfile\Tasks\Games

I did some stupid Windows 10 optimization **** back then and I fear it may have done more harm than good. Thanks!

 

Is your GTX1070 Max-Q OC'd? Did you try updating to the latest NVIDIA driver? By the way, can you run the TS bench in ThrottleStop with Normal priority, 1024M for at least 5 times? If you see it is reporting error (Normally there should not be any errors) it means you have undervolted too much. Error by CPU processing or NVIDIA driver accidentally ends and reset will cause the application to quit.

Didn't see that you have edited, here is the screenshot in the Regedit:

 

Thanks a lot for the registry values. I just ran five TS benches as specified on all 16 threads and it did not give any errors but it returned different values in each test:

1. 180.XXX
2. 182.XXX
3. 182.XXX
4. 181.XXX
5. 185.XXX

I'm not well versed on benchmarks, so if those are bad numbers (I figure the red ones are) - please let me know. Also, my graphics card is not OC'd, have it on Sport in Dragon Center. Also on latest NVIDIA drivers (398.82). Any other ideas as to what's causing the problems? Appreciate the help.

Edit: not 12 threads, 16 threads

 

Numbers are fine without Turbo Boost, then your undervolt should be ok. Yes, that is the latest NVIDIA driver available through GeForce Experience. I don't have this game so I cannot test it for you, but there is one more thing you can try. Try disabling C-state in the BIOS for a day or two, and see if you can still re-produce this issue, if you still can then it is not related to the CPU. If you cannot re-produce the issue, you can try limiting the C-state limit to C6 in the BIOS (Need to unlock the BIOS) so the L3 cache isn't shut off and see if the problem is solved. Meanwhile if anyone plays Overwatch let us know if you are facing the same issue that @Agyr is facing.

 

Anyone tested out the new BIOS and Firmware updates? If so, what changes did you notice? Fans louder?

 

OK, I ran several benchmark tests in a row and multiplier stayed at 39x.

I uninstalled Dragon Center along with all other "bloatware" except SCM and didnt't notice any negative effects. What is more, CPU ratio goes down to 9x when on idle which is nice - I believe it was staying higher all the time with Dragon Center installed.
I also switched from XTU to ThrottleStop, undervolted core and cache to -155mV, lowered down multipliers to 39,39,39,39,37,37 which I find my golden mean I'm not throttling anymore and getting reasonable scores with benchmarks (stable 1160 with Cinebench and 10090 with FireStrike on GTX 1060).
Temps are 40-42 on idle, 46-50 on moderate use and 86-88 on high load.