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IMO: not much. I've had a 144Hz display at home for a couple of years now (my comments about 120Hz and 144Hz monitors being nVidia marketing are based in part on the included literature). I still cap my games at between 72 and 30 frames per second depending on the game. Because "as many frames" is not best. It's migraine-inducing when frame rates fluctuate. Consistent frame rates is better.

 

Can someone please give me an opinion on the GS65's hinges for the screen? Just watched GizmoSlipTech's review on this one and saw how his hinges had already cracked! I'm wanting really hard to convince myself to buy this laptop over the Aero 15x v8, but this makes me panic

 

Besides dropping it, I don't see how it cracked already. Been monitoring this forum since the beginning and nobody had complained that I know of.

 

I've been looking into laptops such as the Aero 15X, but I'm not getting a good feeling about it since apparently keyboard chatter is a common issue on that model. I've been looking at this and while it has a smaller battery, it seems like they keyboard actually works on it. Does anyone know if this has Nkey rollover, or how many keys I can press at once? I have a bad habit of pressing 6 or 7 keys at once (pressing multiple using 1 finger) and I hate when the key presses don't register.

 

It seems the 8750H performs WORSE than the 7700hQ when utilizing an eGPU (GTX 1080 Ti).
Both machines have the same...
-TB3 driver
-Nvidia Driver
-100% Power setting
-1803 Windows Update

Rise of the Tomb Raider Benchmark
7700HQ - 103FPS Average
8750H - 90FPS Average

Final Fantasy 15 Benchmark
7700HQ - 77FPS Average
8750H - 66FPS Average

Heaven Benchmark
7700HQ - 2898
8750H - 2577

I ran tests in Cinebench single core and multi and this is when the 8750 wins.
7700HQ Single - 148
8750H Single - 169
7700HQ Multi - 745
8750H Multi - 1260


I verified that the 8750H is not downclocking from power limits, temperature, or from undervolting.

Any ideas?


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Check the physics score in 3dmark current version.
And how do you know for sure it is not throttling? Did you check with Throttlestop "Limit" button?

 

Here's my 3D Mark Scores. the difference is less than 1FPS for physics. I have EDP other in yellow, flashing consistently.

 

Which means you are throttling.

 

I actually readjusted my undervolt. No yellow EDP or other signs of throttling.


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I think you are throttling, at 3.9 I get physic score like this.
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/15860050

 

Did any of you get official touchpad drivers available from https://pl.msi.com/Laptop/support/GS65-Stealth-Thin-8RE#down-driver&Win10 64 to work? I'm not able to install them. Right now I switched to Precision drivers provided by Lenovo and everything works fine but still I would prefed to use the one recommended by MSI.

 

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That graphics score looks low for a 1080 Ti. I got 17785 with an OC 1080 on the Razer Core+Blade. I'm assuming you were probably scoring higher on your other machine. Do you still have your old laptop to run a comparison Firestrike?

I agree your physics score is a little low, but I don't think it's enough to cause the fps drop your are experiencing. Even throttled, this CPU should run circles around the 7700HQ.

 

Is your turbo ratio 41/41/40/40/39/39?
My turbo ratio is 39 across the board.

Old machine achieved 14662 overall, I didn't save the physics score though. I'll rerun it later today I agree though that I shouldn't see such a huge drop in FPS. I figured that I'd at LEAST match the 7700HQ in FPS with an eGPU.

 

It's not the physics score I'm interested in, it's the graphics. The TB3 port on the GS65 might not be allowing full bandwidth.

Your physics score is WAY higher than the 7700HQ, so that's not your problem.

 

Oh I see.
I'm doing research right now and found this:
GS43VR 7RE - 1575 TB3 Controller
GS65 - 15D9 Controller

-Installed the latest drivers for the GPU and TB3.
-Checked GPU-Z to see what the PCIE Speed is (Both at 4x, 3.0)

I'm getting the feeling it has to do with the TB3 controller.

 

I don't understand your point - why not both? There's no reason to use high refresh monitors if you don't have the horsepower to run them. A GTX 1070 Max-Q is capable. G-SYNC was invented to layer in if you're running a slower card or worried about fluctuation (which is likely an indicator of something else wrong - your frame rate should not be wildly fluctuating).

 

I searched the thread but couldn't find the answer.
What's the button presses to get into the advanced portion of the bios? It's not the bios unlock, but the more "advanced" version.

 

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It also depends on eGPU, you can check your eGPU performance of your eGPU setting with cuda Z, both host to device and device to host should be on 2xxx Mib/s. 8750h should perform better than 7700HQ on this setting.
Other thing to note, gaming notebook TB3 seems isn’t so great transferring gpu data compared to ultrabook or MacBook TB3 port, even has similar PCIe3x4 lanes.
Here’s ultrabook eGPU setting with 1080ti, and this 7700HQ vs 8750HQ 1080ti eGPU setting.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/26298494
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/27243975
And yes, as other said your cpu score should be higher, on this setting I get 70ish cpu temperature playing Far Cry 5 on 4K, since host and device are sharing the heat.

 

Yep stock multiplier, but mine is not limited by the PL1 45W. If you haven't done the IMON tweak in the BIOS, when you have gone past the 45W point for 28 second, the throttle will kick in no matter what, this is the Throttle that Falkentyne was talking about.

 

Are such temperature diffences between cores fine and how about these temperatures overall? CPU has been stress tested in Intel XTU for 5 minutes on 100% load.
It is quite hot where I live now though (about 26 ℃)

 

looks normal to me.

have you undervolted or adjusted the fans at all?

 

I tried undervolting at -150mV and temperatures went down around 3 degrees. Fans set to default.

Isn't core #2 temps too high compared to other cores?

 

I'm having issues getting everything back up and running after a clean Windows installation.

I bought the GS65 (GTX1070) from Best Buy on Saturday, and out of the box was having some issues I've seen floating around, like taking 5-10 seconds for Windows Explorer and other common apps to open. Uninstalling bloatware and doing all the updates did not fix the issue. Most seem to fix this with a clean Windows installation. I did that, downloaded the drivers and the SCM and SteelSeries utilities off the MSI website, and installed them. The only other thing I did beforehand was to combine the C: and D: drive into one ~450GB partition.

The issues I'm continuing to have are:

• Cannot change the screen resolution.
• Both Windows and GeForce Experience show the display to be 1920x1080,64hz
• Display settings show the display driver as the Microsoft Basic Display Adapter
• Cannot adjust display brightness with the Fn key, SCM, or power options
• Normal apps are very fast now, but graphic intensive apps are very slow

Attempted (failed) fixes:

• Uninstalled graphics driver from GeForce Experience and installed the older driver from MSI
• Uninstalled and reinstalled SCM
• Disabled Microsoft Basic Display Adapter in device manager
• Changing the graphic card option from Auto to the Nvidia card in the GeForce config manager
• Uninstalling SCM and the SteelSeries utility

 

I didn't buy the monitor for the refresh rate. I bought it for the response time, color fidelity, and black. The 144Hz refresh rate came with the package. If I could have gotten the same monitor with a 72Hz refresh rate (and a lower price tag) I would have.

G-Sync was invented as another way for nVidia to bilk suckers. NB: I did not buy a G-Sync monitor, nor will I ever buy one. It's a rip-off, plain and simple.

My frame rates should be fluctuating wildly depending on the game. Notably, Warframe on my GTX 980m peaks at over 350 frames per second on my Lisette down to the low 60s in boss fights with lots of particle effects going off. The first thing that capping the frame rate does is keep the frame rates constant no matter what part of the game I'm in. The second thing that capping the frame rate does is keep the GPU from wasting power and venting heat rendering frames that cannot possibly be displayed.

 

One more analysis please - I ran 5 minutes CPU load test with Cooler Boost turned on and now the hottest core hits 91℃, the coolest - 82℃. Is that shift between them OK or should I replace that unit with the new one?

 

Did you try prime95 small FFT with AVX/FMA instructions disabled? That's the usual core / thread load balanced test used. Also, run with 100% fans enabled, don't rely on automatic fan control - and click "reset" on hwinfo64 after tests starts to clear red readings.

If you have prime95 running, exit prime95 and add these lines to the top of local.txt:
CPUSupportsAVX=0
CpuSupportsAVX2=0
CpuSupportsAVX512F = 0
CPUSupportsFMA3=0
CpuSupportsFMA4 = 0

Then reset the readings in hwinfo64 and restart prime95 small FFT's and see what the core temp differential is after 5 minutes run time.

prime95 download
https://www.mersenne.org/download/#download

 

If it does not reach higher than 85C in "Normal" gaming use, then there's nothing to worry about. After all, you did buy the laptop for gaming, right?
@hmscott

Now if you have OCD or mental issues like me and you cant stop running stress tests on the laptop, then yes an 8C delta like that is causing overheating.
There are two ways to address this:

1) hide the thermal throttling by going into "CPU Thermal Configuration" In the unlocked Bios menus, and change TCC Offset to "0". This will set the prochot (thermal throttling) back to 100C. This is easily done but only hides the problem.

2) repaste with *Coolermaster Mastergel Maker Nano" thermal paste, and remove the VRM pads above the CPU, which are 1mm, and replace them with 0.5mm "Arctic" pads (a 145x145x0.5mm sheet costs about $10), which will help reduce resistance on the CONVEX heatsink which is causing the three hot cores on the "VRM side" of the CPU. But this requires a lot more work, but if you are comfortable with doing heatsink disassembly it's worth it. But it's MUCH harder on the GS65 than on the Titan laptops, where all you have to do is unplug the battery connector (IMPORTANT!!), then remove the CPU fan screws, CPU fan and unscrew the 4 heatsink screws, which is far far easier and zero risk of breaking something if you aren't clumsy. The GS65 requires disassembly and motherboard removal unfortunately.

 

Planning on purchasing this laptop for use at University but I'd love to hear from some owners of the laptop. Are there any general inconviniences you find yourself having with this laptop? Do any of you use your laptop to play Ark? How well does it perform? Do you think MHW (CPU heavy) will be a problem running on medium settings? Should I consider a different laptop?

 

What Nvidia driver version is current for everyone? Last I saw mine was 398.35 but there appears to be 398.36 on the website.

 

Thanks. I do feel comfortable with repasting and have done it before but in laptops with standard MB design where I didn't have to disconnect and flip it.
Should I consider replacing that unit and hoping the new one won't overheat that much or stick with the one I already have?

 

I've been on 398.36 for one month already. The latest is Vulkan developer driver 398.58 but for normal users perhaps not necessary.

 

Here are the results after running prime95 for 5 minutes with your settings in local.txt. The delta between cores is 11°C. Tommorow is the last day I can return / replace it and I wonder I should stick with that unit or not.

 

Thanks for changing the test to one I am more confident will show the core temperature differential and I am used to seeing the results from.

The good news is 5 of your cores are close enough to being nicely grouped around 1c apart difference and core 0 is often hotter due to system processes running all the time on that core and keeping it heated up.

The odd thing is you have 1 single hot core, which in a 6 core CPU means there is something odd with the single core, which isn't a normal kind of differential with a tilt fix .

The 4c usually has 2 cores / 2 cores pair up with 2 too hot and 2 cooler, which indicates a tilt on the heat plate which can be corrected by several methods depending on what is causing the tilt.

If there was a tilt in the fastening or pressure I would think there would be similar divide between hot and cold cores, like 3 hot and 3 cooler. Like there is with the 4c CPU's with 2 hot and 2 cooler.

This, this isn't immediately obvious it's a misfitting heatplate. The cores are close enough together physically for it to be really odd that 1 is 11c out in the widest differential.

My initial thought it's a die fault, as these CPU's don't have an IHS. That would explain the huge difference.

Of course we'd like to believe that there is a "bald" spot with no paste right over that one hot core, or a low spot that isn't making contact with the die, as all the other cores are nice and close in a normal temperature differential way.

Especially since this hot core is thermal throttling, I'd return it immediately for a new unit. If you are still in the return period you can return it no questions asked. If they want to know you can tell them, but I'd also add that you'd not like to wait around for this one to get fixed, you'd like to return it and get a new one - luck of the draw suggests you'll get a good one - at least one not with the same single hot core problem.

If you are outside the return period, I suggest you RMA / work with the vendor that sold it to you to get it fixed.

I don't recommend doing the work yourself, if it is a faulty die that won't be user repairable, and after you've opened the laptop yourself to work on it something else might get damaged and you might have problems getting this resolved cleanly.

Also, you paid a lot of money for a good laptop that worked to your expectations out of the box, you shouldn't need repair a brand new laptop fresh out of the box.

If you have a couple of days left on the return, get that started, and then take the time to see if gaming on it shows that core is hot too - I am assuming it will be - even if you undervolt and tune the fans / software it's still too out of whack and will trip thermal throttling. Do this only to see how other software performs in this laptop for comparison to results from your new laptop. Take notes.

You didn't already re-paste this so just return it and get another one.

 

Thanks a lot for your comprehensive answer! I didn't already re-paste it thanks to the FACTORY SEAL sticker which I decided not to break yet.

I will try to replace it for another unit tomorrow then and will let you know if the new one isn't faulty.

 

So I updated to the latest Intel drive for the on board graphics and now when I'm unplugged I'm getting FPS like it is in the under 20% battery saver mode. I updated before because the Intel control panel won't open. It still won't open after the update.

 

In the rare circumstance you get another one with the exact same fault - double check the serial number to make sure you didn't get the same unit back from them. Write down this unit's serial number and production date somewhere safe, on something you won't return to the seller.

I have seen a shipment or a production run with the same failure, but not on a CPU like this, I guess it could be a heatplate or other build issue but this seems like a unique to the CPU / unit kind of issue.

If you do get another one (different serial number) with the same problem, please let us know, then return it to get your money back and purchase from another vendor that has a different production run / shipment.

Basically find a vendor that has a new build run, built weeks after your old unit. You can do this by checking your units build dates - there should be a week or week/year code on it somewhere, check the box too.

Then wait a couple of weeks and ask the new vendor what production date the unit they have to sell has. Wait for another shipment / build run.

Again, I don't think that's the case here, but I like to cover the obvious potential problems in case I don't see your follow on posts right away and you have to make some new decisions based on the situation.

See if you can get some gaming in, and have some fun.

 

Classic "laptop guy" response. "Freesync and G-SYNC have no merit because they do not apply to my particular use case"

I play ARK on my laptop (almost exclusively) and it's great. I've owned GTX 1070 and GTX 1060 laptops in the past (non-Max-Q) but with standard 60Hz screens. Everything is much better with the panel on the GS65.

Online competitive FPS (Quake Champions) looks incredible.

 

Convex heatsink.
This is the exact same problem as with the GT73VR and GT75VR laptops.
ALWAYS core #0 and core #2 the hottest cores and core #2 is always hotter than core #0.
This problem has existed ever since MSI used the "GT72s" heatsink plate with the VRM's "above" the heatsink.

There's nothing physically wrong with the cores at all. Intel machines the cores properly. It's the heatsink and the lack of pressure on that side of the cores.
If you completely remove the thermal pads from the VRM's and chokes and repaste the heatsink with thick thermal paste, (like coolermaster Mastergel Maker Nano), you will notice that problem no longer happens (one person simply decided to use regular thick paste on the VRM's and chokes rather than pads).

 

Yeah, I hate to suggest someone go through all that trouble just to find it didn't fix it, and then need to try to explain why they tried to fix it themselves to the seller / MSI, and by then be outside the hassle free return window and have to wait without a laptop weeks for RMA.

I know what to try too, and I've run across at least one die that had an internal problem with 1 hot core that a delidding didn't fix, which was a big surprise to me at the time. Then I had to explain to Intel that I delidded it and so confirmed it was a die issue with one of the cores. They were very nice and allowed the RMA and gave me a new CPU. But, I'd already been in the business 25 years - so I knew how to present the situation and myself.

It really makes no sense to try to fix these things yourself when you can return it and get another one.

I've seen you run guys for weeks and months before they gave up. I don't do that myself. I like to help people get in and out and get gaming asap.

Well, there was one person years back that insisted on doing the re-pasting themselves and I worked with them for 2 years off and on, and they just kept repasting when it got hot again, and again, and again. Very persistant and wanted to do it, they must have found it therapeutic.

I prefer other ways of relaxing.

@przybytek if you have another make / model of laptop in mind before you picked this one up, you might consider getting one of those instead, especially after you try a 2nd unit and it doesn't measure up.

 

You mean the stuck sensor problem? I remember those. But I thought those were only happening during the Core 2 / Conroe days.
Most of those problems have been fixed. I think I saw one report of a bad sensor issue on overclock.net in the last 4 years (that was not the "7700K temperature spiking" issue that people were raging about over there, that may or may not have been addressed by microcode updates. And then there was that Prime95 FFT Skylake crash too...)

 

This is quite a while back now, the 2700k when it first came out. The new one OC'd to 5ghz daily driver with a Noctua cooler, still running to this day.

Well, lets hope @przybytek got a particularly nubbly heatplate, and the next one he gets was trued up by the guy instead of skipping the step to keep up with his quota.

 

No. Because nVidia are on public record stating that G-Sync is intentionally overpriced, and perhaps not overpriced enough:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...ch-is-superior-to-amds-freesync/#30ae989618d5

 

I decided not to open notebook up and reposition heatsink / re-paste yet and try to replace it tommorow. I hope to get the new unit at once.

Other than high CPU temps, the laptop is great overall and I really don't see any competition to it except for maybe Aero 15X, which isn't available in my country. And even if it was, it would be much more expensive than GS65.

 

I doubt it'll be that much better. Almost everyone here has a core 2 mismatch. It's a combination of poor heat sink design and the problem with the CPU in general.

 

11c difference though? What is the best / average you have seen? If you don't think he'll see better, then you have / had an 11c hotter Core 2 too?

That's why I suggested finding another make / model, if this one is tormented with bad heatplates, it's not worth screwing with.

@przybytek - It's always worth another try or two - if they have them in stock - to test to see if another unit is better - especially one from another production run. At least you are good at quickly testing them to find out the core temperature differential. Maybe you can take prime95 / XTU / hwinfo / etc on a flash drive with you to the store like I do and test them in the shop before you waste a trip home.

 

@GENOCID had 30C remember? Cores 0 and 2 again with 2 the hottest. And @Ivan994 wasn't far off that mark either. Boy they were mad.

I know you suggested RMA, but they had to pay shipping back to MSI, which is like $70 USD. You're just better off buying a heatsink from Tom Ho and MSI's parts department, getting it shipped to you and then not having to deal with 2-3 weeks of downtime. Then at WORST, you now have a spare heatsink to butcher up while you learn how to sand

The thermal paste simply pumped out first on the cores with worse heatsink pressure (cores 0 and 2) closest to the VRM pads. He was only able to fix it by sanding the heatsink flat and using 0.5mm thermal pads. A lot of work but a GT Titan heatsink is separated and independently mounted so they are easy to work with. Whenever there is low static pressure, thermal compound will dry out or pump out on the cores that have lower pressure than the cores with higher pressure thanks to physics.

 

Yeah I guess not 11... Mine is 7-8 I believe

 

I just hope it won't be worse than the one I'm using right now