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I turned v sync off so that shouldn't be the problem the screen is 120hz but why would this limit the fps? Have tried setting to High performance power plan and using performance mode in dragon center can't find any reason why it won't go above it? Anybody can confirm you get higher than 120fps in csgo?, such a frustrating issue as it seems software related so can't really pin point it.

 

Should it be necessary to over or underclock cpu and gpu to achieve FPS like this. I'll try using MSI afterburner and see if it makes a difference.
I was literally just running games for the first time to see how everything runs (bcs I have pretty bad luck it seems with faulty pcs and laptops) and noticed I couldn't get above 120 FPS.
Also in MSI Dragon center it shows my GPU at 0% shouldnt this be in use when gaming? The red power led comes on to show gpu is in use but stays at 0%

 

vsync limits the max fps. Thats how it works. It main function is to provide smoother rendering, i.e. no screen tearing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing

When in GTA V, if vsync is enabled, then the fps is capped to to 120. When disabled, it goes above 120 fps and maxes out as much as the system can go.

 

GTA performs well without GPU undervolting too. Easily hits 170 fps (GTA graphics default settings)

 

@Pat_D

Just tried fortnite... it really depends on where i am in the map... fps ranges 70s - 100+

edit: Epic Settings

 

Ahh yeah ik that that's why I turned it off, frustrating why I can't seem to find a reason why the fps won't go over 120 will try test the other games to compare

 

Those temps are about what I'm getting in Linux at idle too, at 800 Mhz and 1-2% CPU use. Hitting the Cooler Boost button will make it cooler, but is way too noisy.

 

Try CPU undervolting. My CPU temps is 42-43C while web browsing with Youtube video running (I use youtube to listen to music lol), but I'm in AC room so that might be the difference.

 

What software did you use to undervolt ?

 

throttlestop

 

Will try this, not too confident in overclocking or undervolting but since I cant really cause permanent damage I guess it cant hurt to try

 

There's a tons of guides out there for you to start with. Simple -100mV on both cache and core and you can already see the difference. Then you can fine tune it later on if you wish.

 

Just tested now on epic settings I get 60-80 fps GPU usage 98-100% CPU 30-50 temps on GPU and CPU around 80-90 degrees doesn't seem right...
Edit: gpu core clock around 1600-1700mhz

 

Should I undervolt "Intel GPU" too ? alot of guides go through undervolting the cache and core but then also the GPU. I tested cache and core undervolted both as -101.6mV with little noticeable results maybe 3 or 4 degrees here and there.

 

Yes, you can undervolt iGPU/System Agent too (input the same value for both of them). The -100MV value I told you earlier is very conservative, ftry urther lower undervolt value for CPU core and cache, it seems most 8750H stable around -150mV or lower. Remember to stress test after applying the value.

 

Hi Marco , what was the outcome for you I just got my GP63 8RD (1050Ti version) last Fri from Memory Express and I am having issues with the USB ports on the RH side too

 

Have you unchecked use Sync in the Nvidia Control Panel settings too? Global setting is usually ON by default , I add games to the Program Tab and turn it OFF and set power to "prefer max" for each game too

as far as the undervolt goes did you do the bios mod on page 5? (post no# 44 )

this might help too:

 

Hey Kbird, so I exchanged for another brand new laptop, same model. After 2 hours, the space bar basically stopped working. I brought it back again and ended up exchanging it for an ASUS ROG STRIX instead. There were just so many faults and defective hardware/software issues that I couldn't trust that computer anymore. I really recommend you bring it back and exchange it. Which memory express did you buy it off of? The one in Vancouver, BC is amazing and they gave me several free gifts (Loot box, CD Key for games, mouse) to compensate the hardware malfunction.

 

Yeah tried changing sync settings in control panel no change.
Haven't tried bios mod so I guess I'll look into this if nothing else works don't rlly wanna **** about too much with that stuff where I don't know what I'm doing

 

Anyone got Cinebench stats to compare with: I ran CPU got 1194cb max temps reaching 91 degrees with laptop on a cooling pad (undervolted cpu -125mv) Any suggestions to improve this score?

OpenGL score of 92.6 fps (temps around 65 degrees while running this test)

 

It seems like you're getting power limit, because 91C is still below thermal throtting point. Close all other applications to see if the score improve. Also, how many Cinebench loops you did so that the CPU reached 91C?
p/s: the only way to remove power limit problem is to change the settting in BIOS (mentioned above). Personally I got 1250+ with unlocked bios. However, you only benefit from this if you frequently use CPU intensive software (rendering, stimulation, etc.), otherwise it shouldn't be any difference in games.

 

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3D Mark Portal - Top out of 2579 benchmark results as of September 4 2018.

Click here to see results in 3D Mark Website Portal , 1st and 2nd are GP63 8REs, they are the same laptop.



Came in first in Time Spy too... https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mode=advanced&url=/proxycon/ajax/search2/cpugpu/spy/P/2321/1106/500000?minScore=0&cpuName=Intel Core i7-8750H Processor&gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 (Notebook)&gpuCount=0

This is not luck dudes and dudettes!!!! Its a fact!!! Leopards kicks ass!!!

 

Ran 4 or 5 times cinebench loop. Will have a look into bios settings because I will be using CPU intensive software in the future.
As for undervolting it seems to be making some difference at -128mV atm seems to decrease temps average by 10-15 degrees

 

@Pat_D

You gotta optimize pat... this laptop has the potential.. stock settings are very conservative to limit trouble for manufacturers... I believe from my experience that MSI laptops have great quality hardware, but in every thousand laptops... there are bound to be bad eggs, this holds true for all laptop brands.

You have all the resources to optimize it.... i am certain you can cinebench > 1260... easy... keep trying and don't give up.

Cheers!

 

Thanks for the reply Marco, I haven't done much typing on it yet so I haven't noticed if I have a keyboard issue too, I didn't think about it at 1st but now realise why my logitech mouse didn't work properly in the USB port during setup, so I switched to a Bluetooth one thinking it was a driver issue or something and I'd sort it out later.

Did you have the GP63 8RD-048 as well? I was thinking I would ask for another model , so I am wonder which models you had?
which strix do you have now? perhaps that is an Option for me too

I thought it was strange a gaming laptop came without a game what did you get , perhaps I will ask for that too . The Loot Box is supposed to come with each GP or GE Series Laptop, it is a MSI promotion till Sept.30 , I actually rang on Friday to ask why it was not in the box with the Laptop and was told it would be sent out this week. I guess you got lucky since you have a Strix now...maybe they have a Promo too

 

'Optimize' seems vague to me as I don't do this stuff often all I'm going with atm is undervolting and will try the bios option not really sure what else it's possible to do, thanks though will get there eventually haha

 

Some of the things that may be of interest

1. Undervolt (you're doing it now)
2. Address power limit (via unlocked bios mode - "LAlt-RCtrl-Rshift-F2" in BIOS main screen, and implement the IMON trick)... awesome hack for video editing that requires sustained high load processing or similar... but not much diff/necessary for gaming) - This is the hack that will push your contiguous cinebench scores above 1260.
3. Overclock ram to 2666mhz if you have the itch for it and find it necessary provided your RAM is clocked @ 2400mhz and can tolerate 2666mhz
4. Use both RAM slots, enabling dual channel ram configuration.
5. Overclock GPU (This is where cooler boost 5 shines... its cooling capability for the GPU is the best!!!! Max 71-72 C...in AC room. No other similar class laptops that i know of can beat this.. thats why in 3D FireMark 1.1 bench results, 9 out of 10 laptops are MSI ( Proof, for now at least.)
6. Configure Raid-0 and double (minimum read speed expectations) your laptops communication speed with its storage or get another SSD which supports NVME.

 

Nice Sush33King which Model do you have ? looks like I need to exchange Mine unfortunately.

Thanks for the info in the Thread too , been useful for me and can now CB at 1240-1250 best score 1262 so far but no prolonged testing yet.

 

My awesome laptop!!!, upgraded RAM and overclocked those puppies!

https://mystore.msi.com/product/gp63-8re-299my-leopard-gtx1060-6gb-gddr5/

 

This is pretty much what I did Pat , just following this thread and one at Linus for the ThrottleStop Settings , -.150 is working fine for me and am average 1220-1240 with 1262 my best in CB . I couldn't do that till I did the RAM and IMON settings in the Bios though before that I was at 1194 IIRC.

no raid in mine though it only has 1 m2 combo port

 

Thanks for all the advice much appreciated will be sure to do this

 

By overclocking GPU, do you mean "optimize voltage curve"? I've done that and GPU performance got more consistant, clock speed doesn't fluctuate and temp is slightly improved.

@Pat_D You should focus on the first 3 points first, and by default laptop should come with dual channel RAM config already. Optimizing GPU can take more time than CPU undervolting (basically with GPU you do try and error at every point voltage point, and limit max voltage input). Your goal should be at least 1250+ cb after unlocking power limit and undervolting (and clock your ram to 2666 if it's not already). Suss33king got 1280+ cb iirc, what a god

 

I thought 91C was the thermal throttling point on this and the GS65 because the Bios has a "TCC offset" of 9? (I am pretty sure it's 11 on the GS65) in "Thermal configuration".
The best way to check if you are throttling is to use Throttlestop and check the "limit" checkbox.

 

For GS65? Nope The <smart> MSI software engineers has crippled the firmware for GS65 even worse than this. The trip point is low as 90°C. Almost on level with older AsusBooks. Not be too surprised if they put the same for GP63 as well.
Most software only monitors the peak core temperature once per second so if one of the cores hits 90°C in a short blink, it will flash the thermal throttling flag within the CPU. The monitoring software aint fast enough to pick it up.

 

@Le Quan

Yup, I meant that - via afterburner's voltage/frequency curve editor. It's really time consuming.

 

Hi everyone,
I've bought the GP63 and added a 970 Evo NVMe 250GB SSD into it. The boot time is about 13-14sec counting from pressing the switch-on to desktop being loaded.
I found some laptop users can startup their laptop within 7 sec. Can our GP63 achieve this as well?

 

NVMe SSDs require the NVMe controller to be initialized upon every boot, thus, the boost is much slower than a standard SATA SSD. Synthetic benchmarks and high numbers are not the end all be all as you may have seen in tests. The boot time of NVMe SSDs sucks. I have 3 NVMe 960 PROs in RAID 0 and it takes even longer as now I need my laptop to initialize the NVMe controller then the RAID Array. Double trouble.

By the time I see my MSI splash screen, my wife's 4 year old Dell Vostro with a Crucial MX100 SSD would have been in the desktop already. So sad.

 

I do have a boot selector on my GT73VR - it takes 10+ seconds to get there. Then just a couple of seconds to open the screen.

 

By default 95C is the throttle point on GP63, but you can change this value in BIOS setting.

 

Sounds very long, i got 4-5 seconds with nvme. guess it's probably something you've installed that delays the boot?

 

I use the iuvolt script in Linux at -145 -125 -145 (mv offset for cpu gpu cache), but it doesn't seem to have much affect at idle...probably some fan setting keeps it at around 45 C. It does reduce thermal throttling so that I can compile kernels with 100% CPU usage at 3.6 GHZ instead of 3.2 and at lower temperatures, so it helps there.

I did adjust the slope in advanced BIOS settings so that it could constantly run at 3.9 GHz, but didn't like how hot the CPU would get. 3.6 GHz is pretty fast anyway.

 

Try undervolting the CPU and cache at around -145.7; seems that jumps up the maximum speed.

 

You might opt to change the thermal throttling point and keep the unlocked power limit option. This way, you still get the benefit of 3.9GHz full turbo in short period (<5mins) and keep CPU temp in check in longer seissions.

 

Some of them use Fast Startup mode. But as @Phoenix say... NVMe boot up is slower.

Of course if you use Windows 10's Fast Startup (called Fast Boot in Windows 8). Aka the "fake" startup who will in the end screw up.

Why You Might Want to should Disable Fast Startup
Sounds awesome, right? Well, it is. But Fast Startup also has its problems, so you should take the following caveats into consideration before enabling it:

• When Fast Startup is enabled, your computer doesn’t perform a regular shut down. Since applying new system updates often requires a shutdown, you may not be able to apply updates and turn your computer off. Restart is unaffected, though, so it still performs a full cold shutdown and restart of your system. If a shutdown doesn’t apply your updates, a restart still will.
• Fast Startup can interfere slightly with encrypted disk images. Users of encryption programs like TrueCrypt have reported that encrypted drives they had mounted before shutting down their system were automatically remounted when starting back up. The solution for this is just to manually dismount your encrypted drives before shutting down, but it is something to be aware of. (This doesn’t affect the full disk encryption feature of TrueCrypt, just disk images. And BitLocker users shouldn’t be affected.)
• Systems that don’t support hibernation won’t support Fast Startup either. Some devices just don’t play well with hibernation. You’ll have to experiment with it to see whether your devices respond well or not.
• When you shut down a computer with Fast Startup enabled, Windows locks down the Windows hard disk. You won’t be able to access it from other operating systems if you have your computer configured to dual-boot. Even worse, if you boot into another OS and then access or change anything on the hard disk (or partition) that the hibernating Windows installation uses, it can cause corruption. If you’re dual booting, it’s best not to use Fast Startup or Hibernation at all.
• Depending on your system, you may not be able to access BIOS/UEFI settings when you shut down a computer with Fast Startup enabled. When a computer hibernates, it does not enter a fully powered down mode. Some versions of BIOS/UEFI work with a system in hibernation and some do not. If yours doesn’t, you can always restart the computer to access BIOS, since the restart cycle will still perform a full shutdown.

Edit... But if you talk about BIOS Time of a Windows PC is the time your computer’s BIOS (more precisely, UEFI firmware) takes to initialize your hardware before it starts booting Windows OS.... Then is 4-5 sec also very slow.

 

Fast startup doesn't do crap, it's slow as a turtle still. I have Fast Startup enabled on my taptop, same crap

 

Fast Boot is to minimize startup time by skipping USB initialization, exclude all boot devices except the primary one, disable boot prompt, and among other things. How many seconds does it take for your system to get to desktop screen from power-on on average?

 

13~14 sec on average
I noticed that starting from pressing powe-on:
0~4s : black screen
4s~8s : MSI logo
8s~13s : black screen and windows, and finally desktop
Does it mean most of the time has been spent on BIOs?
Anything I can do to minimize the BIOs loading time?

 

How To Make Your PC Boot Faster By “Last BIOS Time” Tweaks

Here are some tips to decrease your Last BIOS Time.

• You can stop your PC from showing a logo during bootup. However, it may only save 0.2-0.3 seconds.
• Adjusting the boot order is another method to decrease the Last BIOS Time. If your PC checks for 4-5 seconds to boot from a network device, you need to disable network boot from the UEFI firmware settings.
• If your Windows PC performs a memory test–or some other test–at each boot, you can disable it to decrease your Last BIOS Time.
• You also have the option to disable PS/2 port if you only use USB devices.
• Just in case you are using very old and outdated hardware/operating system, upgrading it is the only option to achieve a fast bootup time.

 

Jus

I've undervolted to -150mv if you undervolt too much can you decrease performance ? I've noticed my cpu clock ranges from 3.2ghz to 3.9ghz whilst playing should it stick at 3.9Ghz? And what's the advantage of undervolting the iGPU I don't see any reason to do this?
Temps decreased by about 5-10 degrees so far some games by 20 degrees