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I wouldn't worry about the clips at the back (see attached picture). Some of them have chipped off, but it makes no difference since its the screws that ultimately make the bottom lid stick. If anything, now the bottom cover is easier to remove.
And another of the top case's area where it clips to the bottom one (behind) screen (picture)
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And since I have this baby open, enjoy that beautiful "cooler boost 5". MSI is the only brand making a good cooling solution for this 8th gen intel generation. (as in no throttling)
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Ok so I got a Windows 10 1703 vhd and rebooted from it. Ran tests:
Now back to 1803 I get this
Does anyone have any idea why there is a loss in FID/C0 and more importantly how to revert the behavior that once was in 1703?
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Seems the Cpu use higher voltage in load with the newer Win 10 version. Try increase your undervolt. And newer OS versions have more trash running in the background. Check also that the power plan is equal.
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Can you run CPU-Z with both versions of Win 10 and check if same timers is used?
Check also if same settings is used on both Win 10 versions with InSpectre tool http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-redstone-5.823238/page-4#post-10800721Last edited: Nov 11, 2018undervolter0x0309 likes this. -
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It's worth it for many reasons:
1) HIDevolution's superb quality control so you ensure you get a 100% working unit without having to deal with the trouble of packaging it and sending it back if it had any issues.
2) They do a far superior job when it comes to thermal paste applications and have cooling mods like the Fujipoly Extreme Thermal pads to further reduce temps and ensure it runs cool.
3) HIDevolution also gives you lifetime tech support which as we've seen on the forums from many other users is excellent and way better than any standard OEM Customer Service
4) They have many options to configure your laptop to your liking in terms of SSD/RAM/etc.
email [email protected] to get the NBR Discount
If you do end up joining the HIDevolution Gaming Team, I can help you tweak your laptop also for free. These are the Ultra Male Tweaks:
You should NOT use Windows 10 without these tweaks unless you don't value your privacy and their stupid ads and telemetry.
1- Uninstallation of all the Windows Store Garbage Apps like 3D Paint, Print 3D, Alarms & Clock, Feedback Hub, Maps, Groove Music, News, Weather, etc.
2- Removing all Windows 10 Privacy Invasion stuff like Telemetry, sending your keystrokes to Microsoft, automatically installing suggested apps in the background, allowing Microsoft to conduct experiments on your laptop, disabling automatic driver updates through Windows updates, disabling Windows 10 ads, disabling Cortana, Cloud Search etc.
3- Disabling Microsoft Edge from starting up automatically in the background upon reboot.
4- Adjusting a lot of options in PC Settings like disabling Windows Tablet Mode (you have a laptop not a tablet), disabling suggestions appearing in the start menu, disabling automatically connecting to Paid WiFi Hotspots, disabling Game DVR which reduced performance in games, and a lot more.
5- Replacing Cortana with a much better search tool that finds results instantly called Everything which finds any file you want as soon as you start typing even a few letters of its name and it doesn't even rely on the Windows Indexing Service to do this!
6- Restoring the classic Windows Photo Viewer
7- Restoring the Classic Windows 7 Start Menu
8- Removal of the new and useless 3D Objects Folder that appears when you open "Computer"
9- Completely disabling Windows Defender from its roots (including all scheduled tasks and startup files) for those who want to install their own AV. ESET NOD32 Antivirus is highly recommended if you want the utmost security with the least system performance impact.
10- Updating all drivers to the latest versions in case they weren't up to date.
11- Disabling the performance hit that is caused by the Meltdown and Spectre patches recently released by Microsoft (optional, only if you don't mind having this security vulnerability and would rather have your CPU's full performance back)
12- Overprovisioning your SSD anywhere between 10-20% depending on how much space you can spare to ensure optimal and consistent performance at all times.
13- Blocking the Google Chrome Software Reporter Tool (which causes a high system load when it is scanning files)
14- Preventing Microsoft Edge from running on startup in the background
15- Restoring the missing default power plans in Windows 10 (ie. High performance, Power saver, and adding the new Ultimate Performance Plan)
16- Creating a system restoration image using Macrium Reflect
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I appreciate the response so quickly. But actually getting another unit would be impossible now. I'm in Brazil and the import taxes by mail are monstrous. The only thing I could do would be to send the unit back, wait for the refund, and wait for another opportunity to buy a new computer. Which would be around August or September of next year. I bought MSI thinking of their international assistance to find out that they did not actually cover the warranty in my country unless I bought it with the local MSI.
I'm wondering if buying the cooler apart and performing the trade?/change? would solve the problem.
But until the cooler arrives in Brazil, it takes 30 working days
I guess i won´t be happy till next season. hahaha...ha...ha..h
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So, Msi has responded to my "web ticket" and they say that the sound is absolutly normal. And that they couldn´t hear the rattling sound i mentioned in my video.
I can hear it most clear at 0:50 , it sounds like an old DVD drive running the disc, unbalanced and going down. It is most loud about 3.000 rpm when higher or slower than that it gets a little quieter.
Nontheless, i will put my review on it here. Hope this helps other, cause certainly didnt help me.
Purchase:
I bought it in Newegg, for 1500 dollars, and i got the model without knowing it was an exclusive of newegg, otherwise I would have run from it for all the warnings about unique units of specific stores. And yes I regret it, but I will be as fair as possible in this review.
First impressions and appearance:
At first glance the computer is more beautiful than it looks in internet photos , it is not quite stunning, but it is way more beautiful, especially when we finally get those promotional stickers from PCMag and MSI itself off of it. Maybe I'm already tired of the red and black accent for gamers computers, but it is a nice looking machine. But, netherless, enjoy the looks by far, to say that the material is a magnet of fingerprints and marks is a euphemism. Just by pointing to this thing, it will have your fingerprint on it. The strokes and lines are much more subtle and less aggressive in person than in the photos and videos as well. The red adhesive in the lid is the only poor-looking finish/choice.
Starting the machine:
When turning the machine on and after setting up the system, I noticed that the fan is loud, extremely loud in my case because the fan has a noise that sounds like a broked ball bearings, but I'll come back to that later.
The machine is fast, really fast and the only thing capable of holding it back is the tons of bloatware the MSI places. I achieved 1275 on cinebench, but did not perform gpu testing except in the applications I use, which are not common among gamers (3ds Max, Revit, Lumion, V-ray), if it helps in anything it rendered vraybenchmark in 2:16min . Some users are having better results by performing machine undervolting at -0.150v of cpu. I tested with the Intel Xtreme Utility and won about 100 points (it was 1183 before it) on Cinebenche, but I opted to leave it default so I do not have any more software loading at windows startup.
Screen:
The colors seem a bit too saturated for me, but very pretty, and the viewing angle is really impaired by the Tn panel, do not get me wrong, the screen is better than many low quality IPS panels, but still not comparable to a good IPS . If you're a gamer and you're going to play in front of this monitor, you are more than probably not going to be bothered and you'll even like this screen with the butter smooth 120hz. But if you're going to do work with photos or graphics and need to present them to your customer on that laptop, you might have to reconsider. Overall I did not got bothered or got impressed with the screen. There is no light leakage from the edges of the panel and no dead pixels have been present so far.
Storage:
My model comes with a 117GB KINGSTON RBUSNS8180S3128GJ With a benchmark on the 3534 hard drive reaching the 1279 position in the ranking for comparison purposes the Samsung 950 SSD achieves an average performance of 3x greater. Storage speeds and performance are not problematic, but cutting performance costs could have included a drive with at least 256GB, as much of the SSD is taken over by software included by MSI and its partners.
RAM memory
Memory Ram of 16Gb and speed of 2666mhz. As a content creator I aim to put 32GB on my system. But the truth is that for gamers in 2018, 16GB is more than enough RAM, the speed and performance of it are also noteworthy.
Keyboard:
Although I have not gotten used to the full keyboard what I can say is that it is not uncomfortable for a laptop, the distance between the keys is comfortable, having the wide hand I would like bigger keys instead of that keyboard are soft enough and accurate enough to compensate for this. I'm still not 100% comfortable on this keyboard, but I certainly see a difference from fewer accidental typos or typos.
Software and Free Creative Package:
Some of the included softwares are welcome for people like me who will make use of the bundled creator package, but if you are a pure gamer, you will prefer to start with a clean installation of Windows.
The creators package really surprised me, not quite an extremely professional package, but for an architect with good render needs, that will make some graphic boards for clients and presentation videos, the package is excellent and very complete. Among them only YouCast wasn´t welcome because it was just a trial. I was surprised by the options available in Corel Photopaint Pro after decades of using Photoshop and made me really consider upgrading to the new version 2019.
The Dragon Center does not come to be a horrible software, it has small flaws like not allowing the adjustment of calibrations of different colors for each monitor in use. The choice of colors of the keyboard led by the available color wheel is very bad since we do not have a fine control.
I think it's bad to have Dragon Center open to keep the hardware monitor open as well. The monitor would be a great shortcut to quick pre-settings and monitoring of them.
Hardware and help center updates should be inside the software instead making it open other panels for this.
Honestly I'm still unsure about my feelings regarding the Dragon Center.
Audio:
I come from an Acer Aspire V15 Black Edition with 4 speakers, an incredible bass and a sound that honestly owes nothing to dedicated systems. So the GP63 would have to try hard to impress me. Do not get me wrong, the sound is loud and of relatively good quality but lacking bass, what they call giant speakers seemed modest to me and in this model they come only 2 instead of the 4 described in the advertisement. At first the Nahimic software only made the sound worse, but after some driver updates the software now does its best, doing nothing and not interfering with the quality of the good speakers in the system. If you wish, you may just uninstall it with no regrets.
Ventilation and Cooling:
The cooling system designed by MSi seems incredible at first glance. It is able to maintain the gtx 1070 under acceptable temperatures and without gagging. Even under medium -for heavy - load the system showed that it performs very well among the category.
But it's noisy, extremely loud sound, and in my case, it's not just the airflow, if it were like that, it would not bother me. There is a subtle sound that resembles broken ball bearings, as in older notebook coolers. Every time I turn on the laptop and have to render something, this noise bothers me more and more to the point that I have come back to work with my old Acer at this point.
Service an MSI support:
I looked for MSI by sending this recording and asking about the normality of that sound. In the mean time, I have revamped the forums and asked everyone about tips and how to proceed since MSI does not respond me. I bought the laptop of this brand by the global guarantee in big letters of some advertisements just to arrive at my country and discover that they do not cover the guarantee here. Not only that, in a country with continental size and scales like Brazil, MSI has only 1 ONE service center, that fortunately is in my city, unfortunately they do not answer the phones and do not respond to my emails.
The Brazilian "service center" is in a far corner of the city after the peripheries in an unidentified shed with sprayed walls and a look that does not pass much confidence or credibility ...
I imagine that just replacing the CPU cooler should solve my problem, but for the time being the noise is so loud and annoying that I can not believe I paid $ 1500 for a lawnmower, a nonexistent warranty, and a service center that does not exist.
The only way to arrange the repair is by ordering the cooler from another model (GE63) on ebay, waiting 30 business days for delivery, doing the change/trade myself (which will break the factory seal and invalidate my non-existent warranty) and expect to be the same model when I open the chassis.
It seems like there's a little mouse riding a little harley bike on my $ 1500 laptop and it makes me so angry that I just turned it off and without an answer from MSI, my best bet is simply to give this computer back and wait a some more to buy from some brand that takes the support, its propragandas and promises seriously.
Conclusion:
So yeah ... DO NOT BUY this laptop unless you know exactly what you're doing and do not mind if you see yourself alone in the face of technical problems.
I have a very small professional page with no more than 5000 followers, most are architects with the same pretensions and needs I have and I really hoped to be able to do some parts and videos demonstrating the GP63 series of laptops as a great alternative to they. And now I'm going to make videos showing the tremendous fall that I took with confidence in MSI. It is a real shame.![[IMG]](images/storyImages/crying.gif)
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As the model is exclusive of newegg, it is really impossible to find it listed on MSI support. You need to make your registration, register your product, enter "my product" and there will have the drivers page among others. I also had trouble finding this.
Here it is "Gp63 8RF 428 (IN ONLY)" model drivers link:
https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GP63-Leopard-8RF#down-driver&Win10 64
I hope it resolves your mouse problems.
I almost don´t use the touchpad, but I tested the indicated behavior and did not have abnormal results like yours. It worked everything as it should here, although the sensitivity is pretty bad. If there is a pattern that I can repeat here to test, please tell me and I will test.
Now that I thought about it. Have you tried disabling the windows gestures feature?
I also did not quite understand the behavior of the LED on your keyboard, but I noticed that because the control is by zones and not individually, sometimes the keys that you indicated actually appear to have different colors than those requested in the software. I do not know if by the color or what. Anyway try installing Steel Series Engine 3 to control your colors and see if you have better luck with the software of the manufacturer itself, it seemed more accurate than the Dragon Center for me. And it is very intuitive Just click on the link and choose the version for windows.
Steel Series Engine 3 software:
https://steelseries.com/engine
My cooler´s speeds are not identical either, in fact, you can see from the posts above that I'm even in doubt about their sound with a slight background trepidation (does it happens with yours? Could you record it for me when you benchmark it? Maybe this is where i am nitpicking but my ocd about it and not knowing if this is normal, prevents me to fully enjoy the system) .
There is a control of the acceleration curve in the dragon center, but it is quite limited. And there are also options for you to install other more accurate control software and disable the Dragon Center once and for all.
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For anyone who was curious about the performance of the newegg model.
Well, while MSI pretends not to listen to the gtx 1070 lawn mower they sent me (yeah i am a bit exaggerated), I'm going to update you with this model´s performance, which is still very good despite this inconvenience of the noise (at night I dream that silence it with a pillow. yeah, that´s my dark side)
I've recorded one with my potato tablet for you to see the performance without interference from the recording
And a second one with the windows system recording.
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SteelSeries 3 is acting strange. Upon startup my fans certainly rev up. They stay running too. My keyboard transitions to multiple colors even when I try to keep it steady. I don't know if it's in conflict with Dragon Center settings but when I started it up it showed 4 defaults which are hard to change. But even after this in this example I still see green lights on when I set all keys to white using Steel Series Engine 3. I took a pic with a pano shot from my phone. Sorry it's not a very steady shot. It's getting late. I will check back and continue on this tomorrow. Thanks for your help.
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I don´t know if you noticed it, but the version installed in your computer, is the version that msi has available for download 19.5.31.11. I'm not sure that mine has a tab with "gestures windows" or if it's just the controls by the Synaptec tab, I'm using more of my old laptop for now. But if you want to make sure that the installed version is downloaded, When prompted to update the driver, do not let windows search for it. Click Choose from My Computer or Install With Disk, navigate to the folder where the driver is stored and install it.
About the keyboard i have bad and good news.
The bad news is that apparently this is normal behavior in this model. And I do not know if it's by software or if it's because the keys are not lit individually lit and that's some effect of trying to mix the different shades of colors.
This one is my own when trying to simulate your colors:
https://ibb.co/rx677Yb
Those are from videos on internet, tried to capture the precise moment:
https://ibb.co/2kgb04w
https://ibb.co/Phz9J0S
We can observe that when we choose some full color, like full blue (R:0; G:0; B:255) The abnormal color just disapear
I also noticed that this pattern of behavor does not happn so often while in music (audio) mode, the colors seemed more even.
The good news ... is that apparently this is a normal behavior in this model and in all models of steel series illuminated by zones ... LOL I looked in some reviews and videos and noticed the same behavior. My bet is that these are different lights because they are in transition points, an attempt to make animations like "wave" and transition from softer and less harsh colors.
I hope this brings some peace to your mind about it. lol
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