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With stock settings it goes into the lower 90 deg celsius mark while playing Battlefield V.

With a -180mv undervolt, it maxes out around 88 (Throttlestop's SST=0). This is the worst case scenario for all games tested (BF V, Wildlands, Exodus etc).

Most games it stays much lower, in the low to mid 70s. I am really happy with the cooling. If no undervolt is done then... its another story.

Ambient temp = 25 deg.
Fan = Auto.
CPU = 9750h
GPU = RTX2060
BFV = Max Graphics settings. RTX Off.

A screenshot of Battlefield 5 with ThrottleStop SST = 0 and -180mv undervolt. The temps would have been lower if SST was set lower.

 

Or could somebody upload the SCM file? I would really appreciate that

 

Seems to be a rare bit of software... found only these: https://drivers.softpedia.com/dyn-search.php?search_term=system+control+manager

 

See attached screenshot of the TPL tab.

It is set to 144Hz in that properties tab, I found a work around for BO4 (as that seems to be the only game having this issue), however a more permanent solution would be nice.

Have you found anything on this? I still can't find anything that addresses it, but surely others must be having the same issue, right?

 

Actually I can't find the setting in the Control Panel, too.

So it might be just the way it is and you are supposed to go through the Windows setting.

 

Do you also have de CPU Cache at - 180mv or just the CPU core?

Is there a problem in undervolting just the CPU Core and leaving the CPU cache?

 

You should undervolt both to the same value, since everyone who has done a video or guide is suggesting exactly that.

 

Hello,

Ok thx for the screen ! I also have the exact same values as you.
Weird enough : before I made a complete new clean install of Win10, my stock FIVR and TPL settings were all messed up maybe explaining why I got some EDP other flickering everywhere.

Now it's fixed.

About the 144hz tab, no I haven't found yet how to display it again. I installed the drivers on the MSI support but that didn't solve it.

 

Both. Just undervolting the core is not effective.

 

I have been poking around the Internet about this and some people undervolt the core way more than the cache. For example, I can't get my cache below -150. But I can get my core to - 250. Still testing the stability, but so far it's fine. And my temps went down another 5 degrees at least. As a bonus, the gpu gets 1 or 2 degrees lower too since they share 1 heat pipe.

 

Thats true.

 

Check out the latest BIOS release. "Acoustic Noise Mitigation"

 

I had tried that on the previous unit and it made a small difference but not enough. Disabling c-states took it away but then you aren't getting the full technical capabilities that the CPU has to offer as far as I understand it. Putting the power options to balanced instead of high performance makes it a bit better but doesn't take it away.

I find it problematic that MSI clearly knows they have an issue with buzzing noises in this laptop or else they wouldn't be adding these bios options. I'm guessing only the newer 9750h version of it as nobody through these 160+ pages was complaining before this. MSI clearly has some manufacturing or QC issue here and they are trying to solve it after the fact with bios options....Multiple people on MSI forums also report this issue - https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=320066.0

I wrote a couple of pages ago that my 2nd unit seemed to have very little noise but today out of the blue it started to have much louder buzzing noise like the previous unit. The worst part about these buzzing noises is that they happen while just doing light work like reading a webpage when you want quiet. I can't read with a loud buzzing noise in an otherwise completely silent room. Obviously during gaming there is no issue as the fans get loud but I do more things with this laptop than just gaming. My Asus G751-JT was completely silent in this regard and only had normal fan noise.

I think if what is happening today with this 2nd unit continues I will just return this and be done with it. I am upset that I may have to do this but I doubt a 3rd unit will resolve this. It is a bummer as I like everything else about this laptop minus this issue but it is just a dealbreaker for me. I have no clue what other laptop I would even get at this point so I might just continue on with my old G751 until the next iteration of laptops come up...

 

What I find annoying is that in this price range and for these specs this is the best option right now. The strix/hero 3 appear to perform worse than this according to all reviews I have seen. Everything else appears to have a MAXQ version and is more expensive/thinner which I don't need and don't care to pay more for worse performance. Definitely feeling frustrated with my options as it seems I either keep a laptop that makes noise I can't stand or I settle for worse performance in the new strix lineup. Anyone know if new laptops are incoming before the end of the year?

 

Sorry to hear that... I got my unit from an outlet and had a chance to test it before bringing it back home. No problems so far.

Thought i'd share this.
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https://www.howtogeek.com/297166/what-is-coil-whine-and-can-i-get-rid-of-it-on-my-pc/

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I appreciate you trying to help! The issue for me is that I don't think a brand new laptop should have an issue like this that requires me to go around trying to fix it. This should have been handled in QC and it is not like MSI don't know about this issue given they added bios options for it... Turning on vysnc wouldn't help anyway as with fans on you can't hear it as much and I game with headphones anyway. The issue is when you want it nice and quiet so you can focus on reading something and you can't because you have this annoying thing next to you that should be quiet but isn't. It's not like the noises are pleasant either..

Anyway, I'll keep seeing how this new unit is but if it continues like it did yesterday then I'm probably just gonna bow out of this current iteration of laptops and wait for the next.

 

Has anyone tried the new bios update?

 

Oh nice the MSI support told me, that the SCM isn't on their website cause its not necessary to install. Well you ask why? Cause theres the beautiful dragon center...

Yes and it works fine.

 

I just did it and it wiped out my NVMe RAID 0 configuration...

 

Were you able to recover from it? If you have to know the setting I know I wouldn't remember mine.

 

Anyone know if those 0.5mm (?) fujipoly pads are all you need to replace the stock pads?

 

If you read through the previous pages you will find lots of confusion on this topic. Some people appear to be able to use .5mm and even received MSI e-mails saying that was the correct size while others appear to be unsure of the size of the stock pads and left them on there. I understood that you can't substitute fujipoly for the k5 pro stuff that is already on there on certain parts. Search fujipoly in the thread and you will find multiple people talking about it if nobody else replies to you. I bookmarked all the images I could find of what it looks like for others after they opened these up though.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachments/take2-jpg.169871/
https://imgur.com/a/z7ufyfG
https://i.redd.it/egrr2kt09ko21.jpg
https://imgur.com/a/c8K4ChA
https://imgur.com/ysWitlD
http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachments/motherboard-jpg.173167/

 

Installed new BIOS. It did a full reset of all settings.

I tried the 1mm Thermal Grizzly Pads, which turned out to be too thick on the GPU side.

Went with Cryonaut for CPU and GPU and some CoolerMaster paste for the rest. Much easier.

 

It would be expected that it would do a full reset, but have notice anything else? Any improvements?

Sent from my EVR-L29 using Tapatalk

 

Not really. Thought it would reduce the coil whine, but it didn't.

 

Hello guys,

Do you know if the fans are replacable ?
Last time I repasted my 8SG, it seemed like they were soldered straight to the copper heatsink.
I'm asking because one of my fan makes a small noise when it activates so I might in the future change it.

I've found this : https://www.notebookfans.fr/index.php?route=product/search&search=msi GE75

Thank you !

 

I got the MSI GE73 (8750H/GTX 1070) was a freeware pc, but with drivers from stock buy on my HDD, i can upload you the SCM, but don't know if it will works for your pc, if someone can answer it, will upload to you if needed.


I didn't install Dragon center, or others soft from MSi, only Steel series, Silent Option but for older CPU Skylake and works fine....
I didn't install the SCM on my pc and it works fine....

 

Hello everyone, I have a problem with gaming performance (Benchmarks are running perfectly) but games are kinda janky I cant hold even 100 frames most of the match in Dota 2, PUBG will go down to 40 fps on mostly low + medium and every game has its own problem.

I was like nah it must be the 9750 at 4ghz (Compared to my old 5ghz 6700k and 1070) and the optimus routing through intel taking a small hit which was normal, Until my brother received his Y540 with 9750 and 1660ti (Which has a mux switch) and he holds 144hz on Dota 2 and getting the same FPS as me on the same settings and sometimes better in PUBG.

Which made me say maybe its the Windows playing around so I got my trusty flash drive and a fresh copy of windows and installed everything from MSI's website got everything running updated the nvidia drivers from the Geforce experience (Unlike earlier which i did manually) and set everything up to find out that I am still getting the same frames.

My machine is LM pasted from HID doesnt go above mid 70s while gaming Got an overclock of 130mhz on core and 1250mhz on memory and got some tweaks done in Throttle stop (-100mv on chace and core and -25mv on igpu) the laptop is sufficiently cooled as I game on max fans only and its sitting on a cooler master u3, CPU pulls between 45watts and 50watts while maintaining 4ghz gpu mem stays at 8251 and core jumps from 1250-2010 depending on the load.

This is a fire strike run ( https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/37718857?) and got 5090 in superposition with 30fps min and 38 avg and 49 max.

Last but not least noticed that the battery will drop down till 85% while gaming although I don't have D'Center installed and it charges to 100%.

 

Nope... MSI Support said the only option is a full reinstall... I abandoned RAID 0 on the NVMe drives and will never trust another BIOS update...

 

I've always been curious about this. I've matched the numbers simply because I've been told to do so.. and you see some people stress it as being extremely important, but I've never seen anyone give a reason why. I've also come across some others using different numbers for Core/Cache. Does anyone know for sure if you MUST use the same numbers? If so.. why?

 

It's chipset/processor dependent as far as I understand it. Older chipsets (Kaby Lake and previous?) did not have exclusive separation of core and cache voltage control and setting one value different than the other resulted in the higher value always being chosen.

With Coffee Lake (and possibly others) the voltage control of the core and the cache are fully separate and you can have them at different values. My signature has my values for the 8750H which benefits from less core voltage compare to cache.

 

My ge75 started to get pretty slow in performance and some games just would not launch. I figured I would do a system wipe and install windows 10. I've done this alot on my desktops I've built, but anything special I need to do with this laptop? I planned on deleting all the partitions. Anything else?

 

Processor speeds wont drop. Stays like this from the start of windows. I'm in balanced (not in high performance which is what I assumed would be the issue) and I checked in balance plan and the min processor was set to 5%. What else do I check?

Also I do not have MSI Dragon Center Installed


Update: Oddly enough I ran into some random solution that ended up fixing it

DISM Restore health command in command prompt fixed it. Guess it was some bad Windows Update issue or.. literally anything

 

Your speedstep is deactivated bro I guess it comes from there.

 

Not sure what that is (what the setting does).. I really only use Throttle for the undervolting, but I edited my post on how I ended up fixing my issue. Thank you though

 

Hello everyone, Any body got any ideas?

 

Sorry if I missed it but.. Dual or single channel memory? I've seen first hand, and others report, that not having 2 memory sticks cause a huge decrease in gaming performance.



Edit: Looking at your 3dmark link I see that you do have 2 8 gigs installed.. so nevermind I'll keep thinking

 

Hey, yea running dual channel , Why do I have a feeling its a power limiting thing that is screwing up everything.

Can it be the electricity it self? Do you think if I try to get a regulator+UPS from my friend and check again if it might change something?

 

I won't be able to explain it very well, but it basically tells the processor how hard to push towards the max frequency or the minimum. "0" means push as hard as possible and should keep it at max. "255" means stay as low as possible, to keep temps down, power usage down, save battery etc. It may do exactly what windows power plans do with balanced vs performance, or maybe its a little different way I'm not sure.

A good middle of the road from all my experience is "80" for a gaming profile, I use "0" only for benchmarking personally, "160" for battery so that it still performs decently and not dog slow..

 

duplicate post

 

Hey guys,

Just so you know, I was able to display all the hidden BIOS features by just doing this simple thing:

When in the BIOS, press ALT + RIGHT-CTRL + SHIFT together, and then press F2 while you keep holding the first 3 keys pressed.

Hope it helps anyone!

 

So I checked my wifes laptop, she has the GS75, and realized she had this same problem as I did yesterday and was just unaware. So I wanted to point out some information for anyone who may also have this problem and are not aware of it.



Basically, inside task manager I noticed System taking 16-18% CPU constantly and that my CPU was stuck at high speeds. Right clicking on system and going to open file location showed the file ntoskrnl.exe and after some digging I found a command that ended up fixing it for me (ran inside of an elevated command prompt)

"
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth
"

I read this command can be used to fix corrupted system files from Windows Update etc.

I can't really give much information, as I don't have more than this, but wanted to pass this along in case anyone else was having an issue with this process and was not aware of it. Just an odd coincidence both mine and my wifes laptop had this same problem.

 

In reference to this I would like to add that after formatting I have noticed that system will stay at 7-10 percent when I am idle-ing and after some reading I have found out that the reason was dxgmms which will tax the cpu when ever there is a message monitoring program turned on (gpuz, msi at, cpuz etc) which made feel uneasy as I just finished setting up everything after a full format.
Did a cinebench run to check the cpu performance and I got around 50 points higher than my previous run (on the old windows) and when the run was done I noticed the system usage was back to 1% but it was back to 10% after maybe 2 mins.
So in conclusion the 10% is based on idle speeds (although it is showing 4ghz) the actual clocks are lower.
So if you face a problem like mine just try to introduce some cpu load and check the results.

 

Hey guys what backpack are you using with GE75? Since it is not exactly a 17.3" laptop I dont understand if laptop fits in a 15.6 backpack.

 

smaller bezels resulting in overall smaller footprint.

 

I had this problem when afterburner was running in the background. When i closed it, the CPU usage drops immediately. I assume its due to apps that performs polling to get info about the system. Also when i am playing a game and then alt-tab and check the "system" process, its processor usage is at 1 percent max. After exiting the game, the problem starts again, "system" using 10% of processor.

Then after a few updates, the problem stopped. Now its fine regardless if afterburner is running or not. See screenshot below.

 

Did u manage to fix it?

 

Nice to know that it will stop eventually.

Edit: oh sorry thought you quoted the other post, no not really still trying to figure it out.

 

Regarding your poor gaming performance, can you try running hwinfo in the background and then do abit of dota.... 10 or more mins.. then exit the game and check on the limits registered by HWinfo sensors. See below.

 

Can someone help me with throttlestop? I lowered voltage -0.1357, set Speedshift 64 etc. but I temperatures are still high (i repasted it 2 months ago) i play BFV with 95Celcius CPU