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I lost ability to change minimum CPU clock. Stuck at 2.2 GHz, can no longer change CPU Flex Ratio even though I have unlocked it.

Could you please check yours.

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Can you please share Silent Option? One I found is not compatible with my laptop. Thanks.
EDIT: nvm, found right one.

The thing I have noticed is that fan RPM never goes below ~3200, even if I make custom curve. Any ideas?

 

Weird i flashed the latest bios and with silent option fans are under 3k

 

Wow. This is a huge problem with MSI then. I'm still at 1800rpm with factory EC and BIOS. 2k+ minimum speed is not good. 3k+ is worse.

I've been googling this problem all day and the only time other threads were opened on MSI forum were in Apr-May 2019. I was hoping this was fixed since then, but I guess it's a 'feature' not a bug if the latest still have this problem.

I'd recommend flashing to a downgrade EC/BIOs, because the GS65 can definitely hit 1800rpm min fan speed.

 

Have you tried creating a custom fan curve with Silent Option?

 

The problem is that fan curves on the GS65 have a floor. You can set the curve at 1% or 10% and it'll be the same for me at 1800. You can't set a rpm of, for example 1500 or 900, no matter what. I don't really need it since I have the factory BIOs which keeps the min at an audibly tolerable 1800rpm.

Seems like the problem is that updating the BIOs or EC raises that floor to the 2000s, or in the case of @Boardss 3000.

 

Where can I find this 90W Vbios?

 

After some work, finally got temperatures fixed with new conductonaut application. Under load, the temps are no longer uneven and I shall deem this unit fixed.

https://i.imgur.com/hHB8TbG.png

 

The MSI GL65 has a 115w 2060.

If you guys can find an owner of said laptop you can ask him/her for a copy of the vbios and flash it onto your 2060 for better performance.

 

Seriously??? Now how do we find someone who's wllng to share....hehehe

 

The latest Nvidia drivers enable some new features in the windows 10 graphics settings (if you have the latest version of windows 10) as pictured--anyone enable this yet? performance gains?

Here's some more info on this:
https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/...ndows-10-hardware-accelerated-gpu-scheduling/

Thanks,
N123

 

So as usual, my green LEDs have started failing on my third keyboard replacement. However, something new has happened this time. Now, some of the keys have their red LEDs permanently stuck at ON. So even if I turn the keyboard lights off as in the attachment, some of the keys stay stuck in red LED. I have already tried uninstalling and reinstalling both the keyboard drivers and steelseries.

PS: I haven't opened up the laptop or anything. It was last opened by the service center folks around January of this year.

Anyone know a fix to this?

 

The new windows 10 powertoys allows for easy, Microsoft-vetted (i.e. not a potentially unstable 3rd-party hack) reassignment of unused function keys on the MSI keyboard. I reassigned the unused function keys to do media controls (play/pause, previous track, next track) and volume adjust without hitting a function key as pictured--major upgrade--so much easier to enjoy media/listen to music on this laptop now and it's automatically enabled at logon!

It's so nice to be able to play/pause/skip spotify tracks when the app is minimized while I do other work.

It's so nice to adjust the volume mid-game without having to hit the function key.

You can download the program here:
https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys/releases

There are also some other nice features included in powertoys as per the below video:

 

“After enabling the feature, you can expect some apps and games to perform slightly better, but there won’t be any significant improvement. This feature could also free up the CPU to do other tasks” Yeah maybe for more telemetry @Mr. Fox ++**

 

I have a crash test dummy cancer edition installed for evaluation purposes and see no gains from the GPU or CPU. I have encountered glitches using it because it allows Windoze to make even more decisions on power management. That has never worked well as far as I am concerned and this enables to OS to have more power to make stupid mistakes. To correct it using this crappy new "feature" you have to manually select an executable and choose high performance to override the OS. Very inconvenient and no value that I can identify so far, so at this point I can add it to the stack of worthless gimmicks to try to make consumers believe that Windows 10 is something special. Totally asinine, but expected. One should expect stupidity whenever stupid is the norm.

 

Yeah I know!

 

Getting back on previous topic about fan RPM.
I did clean Win install and yet again I have problem with RPM. With custom curves I am able to manage 0 RPM on idle, but it is 0 or 3200+.
I am giving up for finding solution, so could someone please share older Firmware with me as I understand BIOS update wouldn't mess up this?

Thanks in advance.

 

Bump!

 

https://1drv.ms/f/s!ArgNvCzXGkEX5XCOU2G9j0vbH9vf

I have not tested, I won't be able to until this weekend.

MSI GL65 SEK - 115W RTX2060

Reddit User: Slim_Charles was kind enough to provide me the VBIOS.

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ok talk to me u reckon i can run this on my unit??? what are the risks....other than the usual flashing ones...im flashed to 90w already so i know how to flash....i just want to know if there;s something else i should look for? Also are we sure are VRMS can handle the power? Someone explained that our vrms can handle it and gave an example of their gs75 units vrms etc....i reckon we might be able to just at what cost...also i reckon both chips are 2060 mobile not max q....just wanted a bit of clarification on this one before i pull the trigger

 

so one thing....stock and 90w bios are 10DE 1F11 4E56 and this one is 10DE 1F15 4E56 slightly different any ideaS?

 

While I do not know if this is true, I have read that VRMs are made to resist more current then what the boards actually run, I have no way to verify this.

I want to say that only 2060 Mobiles and non mobiles exist, so no max-q for 2060 (unsure if this has changed since last I researched - circa 2018)

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as of now there is a 2060 max q......but yeah both gs65 and gl65 are mobile so same type...so one thing....stock and 90w bios are 10DE 1F11 4E56 and this one is 10DE 1F15 4E56 slightly different any ideaS?

 

'got this:

WARNING: None of the firmware image compatible PCI Device ID's
match the PCI Device ID of the adapter.
Adapter PCI Device ID: 1F11
Firmware image PCI Device ID: 1F15
WARNING: Firmware image PCI Subsystem ID (1462.12B8)
does not match adapter PCI Subsystem ID (1462.1274).
WARNING: None of the firmware image compatible Board ID's
match the Board ID of the adapter.
Adapter Board ID: 00EA
Firmware image Board ID: 01D4
NOTE: Exception caught.
Nothing changed!
ERROR: GPU mismatch

 

Yes, I was the one who said that. That's how VRMs should be designed, they usually operate at 50-60% of their maximum current handling capability to increase efficiency. However, not all laptop manufacturers follow this practice, Alienware for example ran their A51m vrm at 90% capacity which will produce a lot of heat and they only used a passive heatsink with poor thermal pad contact with the Vrms which is why many A51m vrms burned out.

Oh the GS65 It should be fine as it has a dedicated heatpipe over the vrms but I'm not sure what mosfets its using and how many it has. That and 115w might potentially be too much for the heatsink to dissipate.

 

You need to use the modified version of nvflash with board id mismatch disabled

 

'Tried and got this

WARNING: None of the firmware image compatible PCI Device ID's
match the PCI Device ID of the adapter.
Adapter PCI Device ID: 1F11
Firmware image PCI Device ID: 1F15
WARNING: Firmware image PCI Subsystem ID (1462.12B8)
does not match adapter PCI Subsystem ID (1462.1274).
WARNING: None of the firmware image compatible Board ID's
match the Board ID of the adapter.
Adapter Board ID: 00EA
Firmware image Board ID: 01D4
NOTE: Exception caught.
Nothing changed!
ERROR: GPU mismatch

and eyah 115w might be pushing it

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-nvflash-with-board-id-mismatch-disabled/

 

ok so what are the chances this goes bad?

 

Basically nil.

Even if the laptop shuts off during the flash you can easily flash the vbios again since the GS65 runs off the igpu so you'll still have display output.

 

how can i tell if the vrms can keep up???

 

Do you have a picture of the Vrms? One that I can read the printing on the mosfets?

 

I can't see the writing on the mosfets but unless those are 70A smart power stages (highly unlikely) a 3 phase can't run a 115w part without getting really really hot.

 

Trying to find close up pictures. Any section in particular (the ones around the GPU I imagine or any others needed?)

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Good luck. I tried finding close ups last time but couldn't find any clear enough.

And no, I only need a clear picture of the mosfets. Nothing else.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pf5q7tww9ziweoh/AADWBkGPJ8Rzd6-8IdFBSy-oa?dl=0

I got it open let me know if you need clearer/better pics.

Some are:

NCP303150D; SiC631;



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Yeah thats the same mosfet they use on my GS75 and GE75. Difference is, the GE75 has 6 of those, the GS75 has 5, and the GS65 only has 4.

Luckily I missed one at the side. 3 would have been insufficient for 115w. 4 should be right around the edge of being cool enough to supply 115w (144 amps at 0.8v). I'd change the stock thermal pads with high quality ones for the mosfets to be safe.

 

Will give it a shot. I see 4 of the NCP and 4 of the SiC

Sic are around CPU and NCP (3) are above the GPU adjacent to the RAM and 1 NCP off further right of the others (right of the vram
Thermal pads are artic pads

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Only the NCP ones matter as those are the mosfets providing power to the gpu core.

 

continues to fail, if anyone has any luck, let me know.

nvflash64_patched_5.590.0 -6 TU106.rom

Code:

C:\Users\Pablo\Desktop\nvflash64_patched_5.590.0>nvflash64_patched_5.590.0  -6 TU106.rom
NVIDIA Firmware Update Utility patched by Vipeax
Copyright (C) 1993-2019, NVIDIA Corporation. All rights reserved.


Checking for matches between display adapter(s) and image(s)...

Adapter: Graphics Device      (10DE,1F11,1462,1274) H:--:NRM  S:00,B:01,D:00,F:00


EEPROM ID (C2,2534) : MX MX25U8033E-MX25U8035F 1.65-2.0V 8192Kx1S, page

WARNING: None of the firmware image compatible PCI Device ID's
match the PCI Device ID of the adapter.
  Adapter PCI Device ID:        1F11
  Firmware image PCI Device ID: 1F15
WARNING: Firmware image PCI Subsystem ID (1462.12B8x
  does not match adapter PCI Subsystem ID (1462.1274).
WARNING: None of the firmware image compatible Board ID's
match the Board ID of the adapter.
  Adapter Board ID:        00EA
  Firmware image Board ID: 01D4

NOTE: Exception caught.
Nothing changed!

Some good info here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...bios-of-eluktronics-max-2060-115w-tdp.831742/

 

Try following this guide

https://www.overclockersclub.com/guides/how_to_flash_rtx_bios/

 

did u try the other nvflash that's patched?

 

Could anyone else confirm that one of the new BIOS updates changed the PROCHOT limit to 95°C from the previous 90°C?

I know we could always change it manually, just wish it was at least include in change log, if this was the case.

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On a MSI GS65- 8SE with latest bios (cant remember and my ThrottleStop shows PROCHOT 95°C on the main window.
Don't know if this is a reading though.


Edit:
Just hit prochot @ 95c, latest bios does change it.
Bios is E16Q4IMS.118 https://download.msi.com/bos_exe/nb/E16Q4IMS.118.zip

 

On other news, found this interesting thread on reddit about Silent Options fan curves and made some research on my GS65-8SE:

thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/MSILaptops/comments/heyg44/silent_optiondragon_center_fan_curve/

research of interest to us:

Ok a few findings:

1. To start with, it turns out the fans in my MSI GS65 8SE don't go anywhere close the 150% as shown in silent option. Dont know if this is specific to my laptop (defect) or to my model (spec) but my CPU fan goes up to 6000rpm @ 100% and won't go any further (ie. same at 150%) while my GPU fan goes up to 6666-6760rpm @ around 115% and wont got any further.
   
   
2. The temperature table @ https://imgur.com/a/uQ9aHmi is mostly accurate. 5 and 6 at the CPU seem higher for me.

In conclusion, this table is accurate enough to allow the construction of an useful fan curve for the GS65-XXX

Edit: Conclusion also takes into account another user with a different GS65 which reports it works too. There's also a mention of an enthusiast's blog where it originated but no salsa.

 

So I just got my laptop back from MSI, they had to replace the MB but it was still under warranty (shout out to Gentech for their extra year of warranty deal when I bought it!). Gentech used liquid metal for the CPU, and I'm unsure if this has been effected since they had to replace the MB (ie. did they do nothing? did they replace the LM with regular paste?). So I'm wonder what others temps are for an i7-8750H CPU . On idle my CPU sits around 50-55C. On load (cpu only, intel extreme tuner) it hovers around 75-81C. one core in particular seems consistently 3C higher than the others, but doesn't seem like too big of a deal. Are these typical temps for CPU idle and load?

Thanks.

 

If MotherBoard (MB) was replaced, then they had to repaste. No way around it as the CPU sits on the MB.

Now, regarding temps:
To be precise, we would need to know the average temp in your area.
In a location like mine, where temp is around 24-31° C, I get numbers like yours.
Someone from, say: Alaska, should have much lower temps.

 

If MSI did the work then yes it needs to be sent back to gentech to repaste...if u did it it all throught them though they shoudve reapplied LM for u..i know HIDEvolution has a very nice warranty on thier LM jobs so i dont see why gentech would not

 

Average room temp is 69 degrees with those numbers.

I wasn't sure if stuff could be RMAd through Gentech since I don't see any real warranty info on their webpage. I 'll have to consider sending it back to them, but I was wondering what LM numbers were vs regular paste for this model, if there was much of a difference etc.