*** The Official 2019 MSI GS65 Stealth with RTX GPUs Owners and Discussions Lounge ***

I also have IC Diamond with my machine. I repasted a couple of weeks ago and I have very decent temps. As for your 92 degree temps, what are your current ambient temperatures? Also, have you undervolted? Because it makes a big difference.

I am currently set the IA loadline 1 and -11mv additional undervolt, and TDP imon slope to always run at max turbo, and my max temps at 100% CPU have been between 78 and 82 celsius, and my GPU at 75 celsius. All of this was at ambient of 24 Celsius.

 

I would be ecstatic to get 78-82!! Definitely need to compare notes.

My ambient temperature is 21C (70F).
I am not using Cooler Boost fan speed (they wanted me to use it, but it is just too loud)

• CPU Fan: 0 - 50 - 75 - 90 - 100 - 100
• GPU Fan: 0 - 50 - 70 - 80 - 90 - 100

As for the undervolting and TDP settings, I have not touched them from factory. I played a little with them before I sent it back, but I have not touched it since they returned it to me. (see images).

 

Yup, that will definitely work, I tried myself but ended up buying some USB-C headphones so I don't have to carry adapters with me (and it also works with my phone, yay!)

Is this with multipliers set at 39 and combined load? I get real ****ty temps while running combined 100% CPU/GPU load at 3.9 GHz with 23 degree ambient temp and kryonaut:



However in normal use cases and gaming CPU stays around 81-85 tops and if I lower my max multiplier to 36 it goes down even further to 75-79

 

Ouch! Man, that is HOT! I sent my laptop back because I was getting 91-93 during combined load. Where did you get yours from?

Are you running Auto fan? What is your fan set at?

 

Got it from EXcaliberPC. I would be getting 90 but I raised max temp to 95, however this is running AIDA64 stress test so it doesn't really translate to real word usage. I usually just set max multiplier at 36 and then temps won't go above 80-82 tops while gaming. This is my curve (for both CPU and GPU):

 

"Hm speedshift does this much?"
I was getting some stuttering when opening apps periodically, so I decided to try speedshift finally. I couldn't really tell what it did if anything at the beginning of having this GS65.

However I now see more clearly it reduces the usual (I guess speedstep default?) min 2.2ghz processor speed down to 800mhz when its not being used. That's a big difference.. especially for battery use.
The other thing I seem to notice is it's reducing my CPU temps by over 15C while gaming?
Everyone always talks about undervolting and other things, maybe I just didn't notice yet that anyone said speedshift does that much for temps!
While running TS Bench it doesn't show that, because its maxing usage, but in a game there is enough cpu variability usage to let it show through I guess?
Try it.



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Also not sure why this happened... I haven't opened dragon center in a while, just have it on auto start with login.
But today in game I was thinking hey my fans are sooo quiet, what changed? But my fps isn't 144.. I went in dragon center and my advanced fan curves were ALL set at 0!
Thankfully they were still running at a minimum, temps were maxed and it was throttling.
Not sure why that happened?

Update..: I think I may have hit the hotkeys to change DC Profiles. It just happened again and I noticed because the profile changed to SRGB from Anti-Blue profile.. and fans were all down to 60%

I also notice the BIOS and EC section on the MSI Support drivers page are not there right now. Hmmm>

 

So I set my fan curves the same as yours. Here is what Aida64 shows for me.

I maxed out at 92C, but my clock was hovering around 3.2GHz, and you can see throttling...

 

For grins, I took my ratios down to 36, and I am still hitting 92C and it is still throttling! Grrrr....

The only thing that worked for me was to disable turbo altogether during gaming that was both high multi-threaded cpu and high gpu. I only see a slight FPS drop but the temps are in the 70s to low 80s. If I let my CPU get near turbo, my temps force throttling.

That all said, however, the CPU is throttling, but the game itself doesn't show signs of that happening. Which, I guess is OK....I just wish these things could go at full speed.

 

What games are you hitting those temps on? I've been playing AC Origins recently which uses a good amount of both CPU/GPU and I've been getting okay temps with my current config (this is with the 90w bios for the GPU too):

 

You have it locked at 60fps? Or is that the games max? That’s the biggest reason it’s low. Your gpu should be almost always maxed out.


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Well that's a really good point and I completely forgot that I locked the game at 60 fps. It does get toasty with unlocked frames:

 

Ok, here is what I see with AC Odyssey set at Ultra resolution 1920x1200:

I will max at 93, with about 60FPS CPU throttles to 3.3GHz. No locking or capping the frame rate.

 

As I mentioned in an earlier post, with Grizzly Liquid Metal applied, this same exact test would produce 10+ FPS *LESS*, even though it would do slightly better in the temps.

That part I don't understand.

However, despite throttling CPU, I do not see that in the game itself.

 

Can you post your configuration?
Also what are you fan speeds set at?

 

Any idea how people at the top of the list are getting over 16,000? Some are clearly running external 2080TIs, but it sure looks like some are doing it with the 2060 notebook gpu.

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I had contact on Reddit with one of that owner accidentally, jmotzt85, he didn’t know even how to check Watt and read HWinfo64 sensor. He just probably have good gpu silicon lottery and can overclocking it well with right cpu undervolting only, no other tweaks like flashing vbios, OC ram memory etc. Maybe his laptop can supply also well power for support the gpu overclocking.

 

That's depressing. I just flashed to the 90W vbios. Went from 14,5xx to a whopping 15,xxx. Re-running OC scanner now. I can't help feeling as though I'm missing something when riva tuner says my card tops out at 1,600ish and 67 degrees during Firestrike.

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Maybe it’s designed so, 90 watt native laptop probably would boost better with good silicone lottery. I saw last year with padding and repasting 1070maxq on my laptops model can boost to 18K Firestrike graphics, it’s 90 watt version, and some users with good gpu lottery can hit easily 15,5K (overall) with only kryonaut repasting. Meanwhile I just can hit 15,2 only once 15,3K with Factory default paste, but 200 or 500 score on real world performance FPS isn’t that huge, probably around 2 FPS. OC scanner isn’t best OC value gpu can go btw manually still better, try go higher like 10 or 20 than OC Scanner result, it’s still stable on my experience.

 

Just hit 15,488 after manually tweaking the curve in AB. It certainly seems like I might be able to hone it in even more in a cooler room. It's like 25C ambient where I am. Even if not, I can't really complain about 2,000 points higher than stock settings.

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The RTX 2060 should only thermal throttle at 87C, so I doubt there are any thermal considerations even when using the 90W BIOS. I think it's just a matter of how well the silicon is binned in terms of sustaining high clock speeds at the highest voltage that stays within 90W.

 

Do you have IMON Slope tweak? I had it but since I was getting too high temps I ended up reverting it. That's pretty much the only way I can consistently get no thermal throttling on combined 100% loads. With the PL2 throttle CPU runs at 3.4 GHz all of the time (in gaming it jumps between 3.5 and 3.9) and max temp is 91

 

I read modern nVidia cards self adjust frequencies based on temps throughout the range, regardless of how hot the card is. That's partly why you can see fluctuations in frequency in different games while at 100% load and a steady temp. For example, in Firestrike my GPU stays between 58-65C, and it constantly hops back and fourth between 1,509-1,740MHz at any given instant during those runs. Also anecdotally, I get better scores by 100-400 pts by setting the fan controller to max rpm at every level compared to a more reasonable slope.

I definitely agree silicon lottery plays a big part here. However, there is definitely a component at play more complex than just, "is the GPU thermal throttling near max temp or not".

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Interesting, are you using the 90W vBIOS?

 

Yeah. I flashed it to the one xLima linked in his post. That, all of the CPU tweaks from Hackness's guide (I'm rock steady with 3.9 GHz running topping out at about 80C.), 1,500MHz vram oc, and working on the curve in AB. Right now I'm tied for 34th (8750h and 2060 notebook) at 15,530.

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:'( I seriously need to get my hands on another 16gb stick.

Nice temps and mem OC!

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Ram prices are pretty darn reasonable now. Don't forget to overclock it when you do.

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Hello guys, I bought GS75 8SG with the RTX2080 max-Q design. Is there any way i can disable the screen auto adjusting its brightness? this is driving me nuts

 

@xLima

Oh hey, I decided to try flashing a desktop vbios. None of the ones from TPU work. Nvflash halts on a GPU mismatch. I think the only way to break 90W is to find an oddball laptop that has a higher wattage. Unless of course someone from the bowels of the internet cracks nVidia's bios encryption.

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Do you live in Antartica by any chance? That's some crazy good temps. is that using liquid metal? Also, 1500mhz RAM OC as in 4166 MHz? I can hardly reach 3200 and it's only really stable at 3000

 

Haha, nah Ohio. Paste is GC Extreme. My CPU turns out, is a pretty good one that took a -0.100mV undervolt even after the load line tweaks from Hackness's guide.

That 1,500MHz oc is the VRam, not system ram. My system ram is currently overclocked to 3,200 18 20 20, however. And it took me a while to find timings that worked. Don't feel too bad if yours doesn't oc well. The real world difference between 2,666 cl15 and 3,200 cl18 is hard to notice on Intel.

My current system ram specs:
Hyper X 2,666 15 17 17 35 (Samsung b-die according to Taiphoon Burner) overclocked to 3,200 18 20 20 42, Refresh interval is maxed at 65535, recovery delay is 400, cmd 1t, 1.2v and everything else on auto.

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Quick question for those in this thread out of curiosity. Do you plan to keep this laptop for a long time (subjective, I know) when you purchase it, considering the new GPUs and such, or do you switch out every year/other year?

Have you unchecked the "Display Power Saving Technology" option in the graphics control center?

 

Posted mine on marketplace, if I get a buyer on it for AU$2800 will sell and grab a 9SE

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That was it, thank you very much

 

I wasn't aware of the performance improvement of OCing graphics' memory. Mine was at +179 MHz and I was able to get it up to +1k MHz (1.2-1.5 will give me artifacts). I got my highest score yet with that setup and games seem to run fine as well: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19262736

I usually keep my laptops for around 3 to 4 years. My last laptop was a 2015 13" Macbook Pro (the last good one), so the jump to this machine was crazy. I also love the fact that I can play the occasional game on it

 

has anyone tried VR with this laptop? and which GPU do you have

 

I have a Samsung Odyssey (original not the plus) and this laptop handles it fine, played beat saber and Pirate trainer on it. I also have the 2060 model

 

I was about to say that I planned to keep this for my usual 4-5 years, but I just bought a Lenovo Y740 rtx2070 for $1,699. So I might be selling the MSI soon.

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Hey there! I just bought the GS65 Stealth 9SE (478) and I can't seem to undervolt it beyond -0.125 for Core and Cache in ThrottleStop. If I go any lower than that, I get blue screens. I've even tried lowering my boost clocks per core to 35/34/33/33/33/32(6 cores). This does have the new 9th gen i7-9750H, but I find it hard to believe that new chip can't go lower than -0.125.

Here are screenshots of my ThrottleStop settings: https://imgur.com/a/wWQeqAA

Am I doing something wrong? I have not re-pasted yet. And here's a little more detail. At lower voltages (-0.150), I can pass stress tests. It only blue screens when doing menial stuff like browsing the web (plugged in).

 

No, nothing is wrong. Every CPU is a little different.

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This happens, is normal. I can stress test at -85 but crash on idle... In fact I have crashed or BSoD 2 weeks after apparently stable UV.

Every CPU is different. Some do -185 no issues others can't get past -125.

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Congrats on your new purchase!

Glad to hear I'm not the only one who keeps laptops around 4 or more years. My previous was actually a 2011 15" MBP that I overhauled a couple of times but it just kept truckin' along somehow. Definitely looking to keep the MSI for a while and be able to play games too.

 

+1

My last laptop had a GTX 360M...

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I saw a review where the person could only get -0.50 on his new 9750H. As everyone else agrees, it's a lottery. Best of luck to you.

 

I saw this video this about nvidia optimus this morning and I found it very interesting



I didn't know that optimus had that much overhead, that being said is there anything we can do to try to mitigate this? I recall before nvidia officially supported freesync there was a work around with a ryzen APU and I think I saw a video with it that was showing barely any overhead required for a similar method like that. Just curious

 

Thank you. Yeah, I figured it was the lottery for this. I'm not too overly concerned about my temps. At idle my CPU sits around 50C. Under load, it pegs around 77-78C with an undervolt of -0.125 and an EPP of 63. My turbo clocks are still down-clocked to 34/34/33/33/32/32(6 cores) on performance. However, in saying that, I'd love to get my CPU closer to 70C under full load. My GPU never seems to go over 70C when gaming on very high graphic settings.

 

Folks, I think there is something wrong with my keyboard lights. I usually use the plain orange back light preset. Since today, the key for numeric "4" has become red. I tried different color combinations and the numeric key 4 is always giving incorrect colors. Eg, for white, it gives pink.

Do you think the keyboard needs to be replaced?

 

Looks like I will have to reinstall the whole system after all. Still can't get 2060 to power down while not in use, the best I can get is 5W if I allow something small to run on dGPU, if the 2060 shows as 'inactive' or is disabled in device manager it pulls 20-30W. But on top of that just noticed some weird problem with vsync. Forcing vsync from Nvidia Control Panel does absolutely nothing, if I select it inside the game settings the framerate drops to the monitor frequency, but still renders all the frames, as if 'fast sync' was enabled. So I'm running let's say World of Tanks at 60 fps while the dGPU power usage is 80W. If I limit the frames, using Nvidia Inspector or Whisper Mode, same 60 fps requires 30W. I'll probably put Vega in my eGPU, I'm 100% sure this whole thing got messed up while I loaded the 2080Ti drivers.

 

I have not done any tweaking with IMON Slope. I don't know what to set the values to as I have no experience in that area.

What do you mean by "I was getting too high temps I ended up reverting it". Does that mean you reverted back the original IMON Slope setting because the temps went too high with it being tweaked?

What configuration is active on the screenshot you provided? To me that is ideal 91C with no throttling. I did notice that your clock speed is 3.3GHz and not 3.8 but your multiplier still shows 41T. I am not sure why that is. Is this a GS65 8SG? What are you fan speeds set to?

If you tweaked your BIOS, could you send screenshots of what you changed? I would love to get what you have been able to obtain.

 

Sorry I never replied. Work keeps me very busy lately. I will take a picture of my imon settings so you can see.

The IMON tweak's purpose is to fool the internal power readings by setting an offset. The point/objective in doing this is to trick intel's turbo power limit, by making the CPU think it is drawing less power than it really is, so you can run at turbo speeds indefinitely* (provided your thermals allow it...) so yeah you can run hotter with it as you run at full performance.

 

Yeah, I had the IMON slope tweak that allows the CPU to run at 3.9 GHz indefinitely (instead of power throttling after 28 seconds), but my temps were too high. Clock speed is 3.4 GHz because it's power limit throttling. It's the 8SE, my fan speeds are a couple of pages ago basically 150% both cpu and gpu at max temps. I have a few tweaks:

* All of these: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...trol-of-the-i7-8750h-advanced-version.823065/
* IA AC / DC loadline set to 1 (with -50 additional stable underclock in Throttlestop)
* Disabled ASPM for PEG slot 0
* GPU 90w bios and OC'd +175MHz core/+1023MHz mem
* RAM OC to 3000 MHz