*** The Official 2019 MSI GS65 Stealth with RTX GPUs Owners and Discussions Lounge ***

Did you modify the v/f curves for your 2070 MaxQ?

Also, the 1080p extreme is a better preset to run as that is a more realistic scenario.

 

Did you read Hackness Guide to optimize the Intel 8750h? Because you really don't need to turn off Turbo. You crash your max CPU speed way too hard with that method. From 3.9 GHz you limit them to 2.2 (I think) per Core...

I strongly recommend everyone to read it. It not only gives valuably insight in how the CPU is configured in our Notebooks, but also mentions ways to extend the battery life.

In summary what I can say is, that you can activate additional Power Options in the CPU section of Windows Power Options. You can choose a more efficient approach method for the Turbo Boost. You can limit the Turbo Boost Max frquency through your Bios or Throttlestop to a value that you desire.
So you could let it clock at max 3.2GHz for example, instead of the 6 times 3.9GHz. You can activate Core Parking, so Cores that are not used, can be turned off, instead of being dragged by the other used Cores

(If Windows needs 2 Cores and clocks them high, every other Core will be clocked the same on default, even if they are not needed at all -> Inefficient)

With all those optimizations, combined with your UV, you will gain way more than you have with just turning off Turbo Boost!

 

No, I did no adjustments except for the undervolting. Didn't want to have a $4k brick sitting on my desk.

 

None of us have bricks, for what it's worth!

 

Snap!

+1 #nobrick

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if anyone is still having amber/orange light issues, disable nvidia hd audio (might be called high definition audio device if you didn't install the drivers for it). if you reboot, you have to enable it again and disable it again. you can set a task to do it automatically at boot. quick ghetto ass fix but the light works properly after that. i tried uninstalling the device and leaving it uninstalled and disabled but that didnt work. gonna try jrey's igpu/dgpu uninstall+install steps later on and hopefully it fixes it.

 

YMMV but I had a lot of difficulty getting the iGPU to work properly after doing this. No clue why, and that doesn't mean this isn't worth doing (especially since you can use NVslimmer to take the HD Audio out) but I did want to throw up a warning flare in case you have difficulty.

 

Nope...
Did not touched it yet.
I guess ill get there.

 

Also, for those having difficulty getting a stable boot after flashing to a 90W 2080, I found that after following JRey's guide (DDU to uninstall Nvidia then Intel, restart, install Intel, restart, install Nvidia, restart), there were two more steps I had to do: (1) in Geforce Experience, reinstall the latest driver; (2) in device manager, uninstall the 630, then reboot. That fixed it.

 

I recently installed the HyperX Impact 16GB x 2 sticks.
Using the XMP1 profile, I started running benchmarks.

Interestingly, I'm getting slightly WORST performance than the stock Kingston sticks (about 1-2FPS lower in most benchmarks)
I checked CPU-Z and I'm running at the rated 2667 MHz with 15-17-17-35 timing. Even switching it to 1t from 2t didn't improve performance.

The only scores that actually went up are my CPU scores in 3Dmark.

Any ideas?

 

XMP is basically a joke, they’re native 2400mhz sticks, running an XMP profile is technically an overclock and most of the time when running certain synthetic tests, XMP profiled ram perform worse compared to running them at stock. I just can’t remember why that it is, but I believe it’s intel related on the chipset

 

Were those HyperX Impact stock 2666 or 2400?

 

2666. Sorry, should have out that in the first post


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Hello everyone,

I'm a fellow MSI GS65 owner but I have the one with the 1070 gtx card, which was RMA for the second time because of fan rattling issues.
I've seen this problem posted everywhere (here, youtube, reddit, etc). And I think I'll have to go for a more reliable laptop, but I love it's design and performance so much.

So I wanted to ask if any of you had experienced any rattling at all. Although the rtx model has new fan design, that doesn't mean MSI solved the issue.
i appreciate hearing from your experience with the new generation of this beauty, particularly any suspicious fan activity.

 

I had issues with fan rattling in the 1070 model. Basically one of the fans bearings sounded like they were jacked up.

Ended up RMA'ing it, they gave me money toward a new laptop, so I got the 2070 instead. So far no issues.

 

Hi there!

I've just recently purchased the 8SE version of the GS65 (the RTX 2060 model), and the tweaks i've made so far are:

- Custom Throttlestop profiles
- Enabled SpeedShift (Unlocked BIOS tweak)
- Enabled CPU Flex Ratio Override to enable 800 MHz in Throttlestop (unlocked BIOS tweak)
- Disabled ASPM for PEG slot 0 (unlocked BIOS tweak)
- Disabled MSI Dragon Center
- Custom VF Curve for the RTX 2060 using MSI AB
- Enabled core parking per hackness' i7 8750H guide

The problem I have with the laptop is when I activate windows' task manager (ctrl+shift+esc), the CPU will immediately jump to 100% usage for a few seconds and the Nvidia dGPU will activate by itself.

And even after I close task manager, the CPU will never go into its lowest power state and hover at around 6W when idling. The dGPU will also not deactivate itself after it has been activated by task manager.

I have to reboot to enter the BIOS and not even change anything before going into windows just to remedy this issue.

Can anyone help me find out why this is happening? Please help!

 

Issue seems to have resolved itself. I highly suspect that windows update was the culprit. I happened to notice that disk usage also suddenly shot up while all the above was happening and it turns out that windows was updating to version 1809 (it was at ~55% at this moment).

Now that the update has finished, the machine's back to normal! CPU now idles properly and opening task manager will no longer keep the dGPU activated.

 

Yep that update takes forever too. Glad it resolved for you.

 

Do any of you use cooling pads? If so, which one?

 

I have this same issue. Whenever I open task manager, dGPU engages, then will shut down. Optimus seems quite finicky.

On a somewhat related note, did we every figure out how to use MSI Afterburner, and keep Dragon Center (I actually like it), without breaking Optimus?

 

Is your overclock higher than what Dragon Center gives? If so, by how much?


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I simply apply the preset I want from Afterburner before I start playing.


Also, I was just playing some assassin's creed odyssey... all maxed out on the 2060 model. And I noticed that my battery discharged from 59% to 57% over an hour worth gameplay. Has anyone else noticed this behavior?

 

I haven't installed Afterburner yet. Just got my GS 75 in a few days ago after being sent a defective GS65. I remember there being an issue with running Afterburner and deleting Dragon Center effecting the iGPU. I have not undervolted nor oc'd yet.

 

If the AC charger can't deliver enough power, msi notebooks combine ac power with some battery power. This will naturally result in a battery discharge while plugged in.

No idea if and how this behaviour can be turned off.

 

My beauty goes AIRBORNE!
Powerful addition to my flight bag:

 

Take this with a grain of salt.

When I went to purchase the laptop, the dealer sent the laptop to the service center folks to do the 32GB upgrade and inserting my additional 970 Evo. I had requested for the HyperX Impact CL15 rams. However, the service center folks did not agree to insert those ram sticks and instead forced me to go with the Kingston CL19 rams. Their official reasoning was "Its not supported". But I'm sure that statement is a pile of crap.

 

I actually returned the HyperX sticks and tweaked the stock Kingston sticks.
2666MHz, 15-15-15-30, 1n. Still at 1.2V.
Gained the performance benefit without the cost of paying for new ram.


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Perfect.

Also, just curious, my SSDs run quite hot (Drive temperature 2) at idle/light use - as high as 70C and sometimes at around 55C. During gaming, it goes as high as 82C. Do you see similar readings?

 

I’ll check tonight.


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Hi guys, Mark from the GS75 group -- I bought a GS75 from best buy to try it out and out of the box there was warping on the screen. Did anyone have issues with this with the GS65?

 

Just bought a GS65 2070Max-q, It is just fantastic, games are running smooth and above 60FPS, best portable gaming laptop!

 

So I just spoke to my retailer to buy a new kit of RAM to go dual channel. And he tried to up sell me to 32gb ram.

I said no thanks I want 16gb kit (2*8) and that I would sell my current 16gb.

He goes on to say I will lose warranty because I would need to keep my original module. So if I went 2*8 I still need to keep my 16gb in case any warranty issues and he recommends I just buy another 16gb stick.

Any of you guys have this issue?

I was happy he told me because I already had a buyer for my stick lined up. But yeah seems stupid warranty condition.

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So I just spoke to my retailer to buy a new kit of RAM to go dual channel. And he tried to up sell me to 32gb ram.

I said no thanks I want 16gb kit (2*8) and that I would sell my current 16gb.

He goes on to say I will lose warranty because I would need to keep my original module. So if I went 2*8 I still need to keep my 16gb in case any warranty issues and he recommends I just buy another 16gb stick.

Any of you guys have this issue?

I was happy he told me because I already had a buyer for my stick lined up. But yeah seems stupid warranty condition.

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Towards the bottom center of screen? Yes. i have a mild curve too.

 

From what I understand, at least here in India, as long as you do all your upgrades through the service center folks, your unit will stay under warranty. Basically, they will put a new tamper prevention seal after they upgrade it for you.

 

Yeah same here. I assume they will replace sticker.

What I meant was, for warranty claim, you must undo all upgrades. Put back the stock RAM and stock SSD.

My plan was to buy new RAM, sell the old OEM Stock RAM. But salesman advised against it. If I were to claim warranty I would need to have them open the device and place all the stock components back and ship to MSI.

So there went my intention of selling SSD and RAM and buying better.

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I'm considering getting a GS65 with RTX2080
But I've been hearing bad things about its thermals since it's thin, and the thermal throttling that comes with it. I've also considered the GS75, but it's huuuuuge, and the gold hinges are overdoing it.
How long can you play games on your GS65 before thermal throttling kicks in and your performance drops? How much does your performance drop?
I'm a complete amateur on computers and I've been doing some researching about gaming laptops on the internet. But can someone tell me what I should expect from thin gaming laptops (my previous laptop had 0 gaming capability)? Is thermal throttling bad for the laptop? How would I avoid thermal throttling?
What should I look out for? Are the fans loud with normal activity (browsing chrome, powerpoint, microsoft word, onenote, youtube)? responses HIGHLY appreciated, thank you.

I've never had a gaming laptop, or even gaming desktop, I've only had laptops with 0 gaming capability (with only integrated graphics card and I get 20 or so fps on games with lowest settings)

 

https://www.theeverydayenthusiast.com/home/review-2019-msi-gs65

check all his reviews in detail and check all of his posts on this thread starting from post#1.

 

At stock, the cpu will thermal throttle instantly. It'll thermal throttle even if you undervolt the cpu. Unless and until you lock your multiplier to a lower value, it'll throttle. However, even if it does, there is no visible performance drop while gaming (Primarily because you are never in a scenario when the CPU isn't thermal throttling. So you would never know the difference). The GPU remains cool though. At around 70C for the RTX 2060 (thats what I have). It is advised to have the fans running at 100%-150% during gaming. 100% is loud. 150% sounds like jet engines taking off. Also, it's not advisable to keep the laptop on your lap while gaming with the CPU running at 90C. The laptop is mostly made of aluminium I think and the bottom of the laptop gets hot enough to make an omelette while gaming.

Some of the folks have been able to reduce temps by using liquid metal thermal paste.It drops temps by a decent margin. However, it comes with its own set of risks.

The point of thermal throttling it to prevent operating of the device at unsafe temperatures. Therefore, its done to extend the longevity of the device. However, the temps at which it thermal throttles is 90C, which is quite high in my opinion. High temps always have a bad effect on the longevity of any device. But its necessary to note that the i7 8750h is a hot head and runs quite hot even in other fat laptops (They maintain better turbos in fat laptops though)

Personally, while gaming, unless and until I'm unable to get 70-80FPS+, I disable CPU turbo and limit max clocks to 2.2GHz. At the same time, I undervolt and overclock my GPU. With these settings, i get 65-71C on CPU and GPU while gaming.

During normal use, my cpu sits at around 42-45C and the fans are not audible.

Overall, I'm quite happy with the laptop.

 

Just bought GS65 8SE RTX2060 to upgrade from my almost 4 years old GE62 Apache Pro. Did a lot of research and was worried about the flex of the chassis. I'm pretty sure its better than the GTX model and overall the chassis is rigid to my taste.

To summarise, I love:
-the stealth design, thin & light, and the small form factor
-keyboard is a joy to use
-touchpad is large and nice feel to the touch
-rtx2060 (considering im upgrading from gtx960), sufficient to play most titles with consistent fps on around high settings
-144hz panel (my god, so much nicer than 60hz)
-hifi dac for the earphone jacks
-the battery life (82whr)

Wish they can improve:
-price (where i'm from, competitors like the acer triton 500 provide better configuration at lower price in the same thin & light category)
-accessibility when upgrade (motherboard still upside down), kinda scary to do the upgrade in DIY style.
-expected for thin & light but it gets pretty warm even when just light browsing on the net. But you can tweak the fans to solve this so not a big issues.
-security login options (windows hello ir or fingerprint power button would be nice).

On the whole, I love this laptop and for me its a good purchase. Just a slight note, above is just my honest opinion and please take it with a pinch of salt. Do your own research and test the product in real life, it'll give you a better picture of whether the laptop suits your taste.

 

I have a 2080 GS65 from HIDevolution: I made sure they pasted it with liquid metal, and also raised the throttle point to 95C in the BIOS. I have no throttling or performance degradation at all, ever. Thermals usually hover around 80 for CPU/GPU on auto fan.

 

I too have the 2080 GS65 and I have not had any issues with throttling while gaming. I have never had a gaming laptop before either and I could not be considered a gamer by any stretch of imagination. I mainly got it so that I can play with my kids (I need every edge I can get to keep up with them . The primary use for this machine is development and business apps.

I couldn't be happier than with my 2080 GS65 purchase. I opted to do as much as I could to keep it running cool and keep the fans low, so I went with HIDevolution and had them do the LM pastes. I did this primarily so that my warranty would not be void by them doing it. And, if I had any problems, I could send it back for them to fix; rather than me spending hours wondering where I went wrong or if I did it right/complete.

What I have noticed with this machine however, is that when the system first starts up a game from being cold, the temps will jump up and there will be a brief CPU throttle. The system seems to settle once the fans kick in and it levels off. On some of the more intense games (Witcher and Assassins Creed), I will hit 87C pretty regularly with everything on full power. When I turn off turbo, these same games suffer very little FPS loss (3-5) but the temps drop significantly (they hover around 74-75C). So I created two profiles: Boost and No Boost and just toggle between them depending on which games I am playing.

Again, I don't notice anything like stuttering while gaming even when it hit the brief throttle, I just prefer to keep my temps low 80s or below. Also, not having the fan at full speed is nice because I like a quieter gaming experience (I don't wear headphones).

With you saying you hover around 80 for CPU/GPU and auto fan, what games are you seeing that? What is your peak for these games?

 

I did like a layman's review back when I first got the laptop, answers most of your Qs I think for a stock laptop:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/posts/10866006/

This was before I LM repasted, BIOS tweaked and undervolted--for that just read JRey's review and his posts on this thread, as someone already suggested.

 

Thanks for all the responses! Very informative. I don't live in the U.S so that makes delivering extra expensive. And my country adds a 15% GST on things shipped worldwide into NZ. So I can't get the laptop from Hidevolution. Also I move around a lot with my laptop in my bag, which might cause the liquid metal to leak and brick the laptop. So LM is probably a no for me, I'd have to use some other kind. That' means if I want to repaste, I'd have to do it myself. Is repasting hard? I heard the motherboard is upside down so that makes upgrading hard too. (Again I have no experience with gaming laptops or upgrading or repasting)

 

Like you, I always move my laptop on a daily basis and from what I was told (by a rep from HIDevo) that they use a proprietary way of installing LM that prevents leakage. I guess the best way to install LM is to have it done professionally.

 

I'd totally get HidEvolution to apply liquid metal and upgrades for me but because of special & complicated reasons I can't buy from America. So I'd have to do it myself, thus I'd rather not use liquid metal

 

Hey guys,
Does any of you know if it's possible to do the custom fan curve from the BIOS? Thing is I'm using arch linux and the fancontrol program is not really working so I'd like to have my laptop stop turning on the fans when the CPU is under 60C.
Thanks!

 

SVET needs to provide custom BIOS with EC, you can do that through the MSI official forums.

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I'm not sure I understand, what is SVET? And what do the MSI official forums have to do with that? Thanks.

 

Sorry, SVET is a user who provides custom BIOS for MSI boards.

He includes a custom EC with the custom BIOS that allows you to manually set your fans curve.

He has a thread on the official MSI forums where users post requests and then you provide him your BIOS and EC versions and he tells you if he can do it or not.

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?board=51.0

Tell him what you want to do and he should be able to say if it will work or not.



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