The Official 1722/GX720 Lounge

I've uploaded assembly guide for MS-1651 also. It's split on two parts (due to uploading limit of my provider). So it's again Acrobat Reader document, but this time no download link
Part 1 can be downloaded form HERE.
Part 2 is HERE. Enjoy.

 

so according to my previous post of PG54, does everyone agree that it sounds like that ES processor that i have is no good? Just trying to make sure i covered all the bases...

 

Automatik,

The 1722 defaults to 667mhz memory, so that isn't the problem (It has three settings: auto, 667, 800).

What is the SL code of the T7300?

Did your other processor come in yet?

 

thats just it electro, the processor i have isnt a sl, its an engineering sample QUDK is the code for this t7300 and i havent been able to locate any stepping information for it, its reported by the seller to be 100% tested and he does have a return policy which he's extending till i have a chance to try a different processor. As for the replacement, no it hasn't arrived yet unfortunately, but it was shipped this monday so im hoping by the end of the week ill have a chance to test it out.
oh btw heres an ebay seller with two ID2s left, didnt know if you were still interested in finding some or not =]

 

Oh btw for those of you who are looking for dvd drives for your 1722's my ID2 shipped with a Sony Optiarc Model-No: AD-7650S-MS.

Also has anyone succeeded in tracking down any larger cell batteries, i think i found a link for 9 cells but im not sure, take a look for yourselves, but i dont see any part number visible on the msi website, though i assume the info on the page as well as the visual looks as well as carrying the same voltage 10.8VDC that this battery may be compatible.

 

I am sure the 1722 can use the same 9 Cell battery the GT725 uses, since they are basically the same thing.

I know the T7500 works fine (just updated two new 1722's last night), and the T7300 is the little brother to the T7500. The engineering sample may be an issue.

I saw those listed earlier. That seller is all over the map with his ID2s. I don't know what's going on with him, so I'm wary and looking elsewhere atm.

I was banking on getting a few 8800gts mxm cards to test at a really good price, but it may have hit a snafu. I ended up getting two more 1722's. One I'm building for my daughter to replace her Gatewat MX8711 (man that thing was a workhorse) since she's into encoding/decoding and video rendering and editing now. She's going to end up with a T9400, 4gb, 320gb, 5350, Slot loading drive config, so she will be happy especially as it will play the Sims 2 and 3 (when released). The other I have listed, but I'm tempted to keep it and rip it apart as my testbed and say, "oh well," to the ID2 unless a cheap one comes along.

 

tell me how those 8800gts'es work out, i plan on taking full use of that modular video card getup. now that i look back on it, i wish i spent a little more for that actual SL series 7300 instead of being cheap and saving like $20. Hopefully all goes well, i might end up getting a t9400 or something in that park. Personally though, these procs are all in the same ghz range, for example the t7 vs the t9 series with same cache also, is the only advantage the penryn 45nm process? . Id be curious to see a performance comparison. Also if anyones interested, when i get this machine up and running, I have an Arctic Silver 5 Kit coming so ill post some updated temps and whatnot to give everyone an idea of what AS5 does for temp drops, Also i got a nice G.Skill 4gb kit that should drop in and go nicely, got one good review also, and should be less picky than ocz.

 

T9400 = 2.53ghz / 6mb cache / 1066fsb / 45nm
T7300 = 2.00ghz / 4mb cache / 800fsb / 65nm

If you want to see how your CPU stacks up, check out

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/index.php

G.Skill is all I use for their 2x2gb kits. Elpida for 2x4gb kits.

I'm definitely interested to see if the replacement does the trick.

 

ah thats right faster fsb the only thing that i dont like about that is from what i recall its better when ram is run at a 1:1 with FSB but with a 1066 you'd have to tweak the whole rig to get that speed and then again i dont think that the ram can run that high unless you get overclocking ram, more than likely ocz, as for gskill yeah theyre my bros. helped me get an extra full Ghz outa my opteron 165, (the scariest 90nm processor out there). Though id be tempted if they came out with a highspeed mushkin to try and get as close as possible to that 1:1 FSB.

As for the Artic Silver Kits, i also reccomend if youre gonna use em, get the Arctic Clean kits, literally dissolves old thermal paste and lifts it for easy removal and application of the new stuff, also removes grease from fingers and all the other impurities on the heatsink. Oh and speaking of heatsinks, i see people are using speedfan, can anyone confirm if the fan controller on the board is compatible with Speedfan, my current gateway only detects temps and wont let me control my fanspeed, id like to max it for best performance, I am afterall planning to use this laptop in Iraq/Afghanistan where it can get a bit crispy. With that fact alone i might consider getting a 45nm penryn for the lower temps, every bit counts for survivability of a machine.

Last but not least, anyone else notice on their heatsink for their video card that one of the memory modules closest to the heatpipe is less than half covered by the heatsink? Thats kind of a worrying realization, id say that gives fair warning that anyone who tries to overclock their ram on their gfx card, that that chip is a potential liability, cause fast ram on a graphics card (from experience) doesn't like not being cooled well especially when being pushed beyond factory spec.

 

Electrofost, you said that you're going to try different GPUs on your MS-1722. Do you still own one, actually? If you tried different GPUs, write what you've try. Also do you know will this card - 512MB GDDR3 Nvidia GeForce Go 9800M GTS; 16x PCIe; DX10; NB9E-GT fit in MS-1722? The card is from Eurocom. I wore them about that and they said that it is Clevo based Video card. But since Clevo is not ODM.... I thinking that it might fit?!??

 

Yeah, I picked up 2 more 1722's that arrived a few days ago. One arrived DOA, so it's going back (albeit the seller tried to stick me with it, so it will go to dispute). The other works fine and became my test bed before it turns into my daughter's new computer. I was going to build yet another 1722 to hold my components, but ah well. I'm still on the hunt for an ID2 or a M17 WXGA+ model.

Now onto the somewhat fun stuff:

Ok, I got a few 8800M gts cards in today MXM-III.

They are much bigger than the MXM-II cards in the 1722 (See pic)

They do fit and lock down properly. They *just* clear the top right corner, so form factor wise, yes, the 1722 can physically support a MXM-III form factor (Wondering if anyone has opened up their GT725 yet). Good to know for trying out MXM-III cards in the future.

The Heatsink is completely incompatible (Doesn't cover the memory and the screws are off), so I used a modified copper plate for cooling just to see if it boots.

Long story short, it doesn't display anything. I can hear the system start up, but no video. Switched the 9600M back in, works fine. This was for both 8800M gts MXM-III cards which were brand new, sealed.

No error messages or bios restrictions. Just no video.

At least I have a few 8800M GTS cards to try out in other systems now.

The cards were listed as OEM 9621, so I am tracking that down, as there is always the chance of mild variations in each OEM's MXM-II/III deployment.

Between that, custom physical differences, custom heatsinks, isolated Vbios, computer bios restrictions (locking you into only so many OEM authorized/approved cards your system can use) and more......they really need to lock down on some standards for interchangeable video cards.

Also take note of the extra connector on the Nvidia 8800M gts card. On a, for example Whitebook/M17, the master slot has a place for this connector, while the 1722 does not. That may also be the reason for its failure to display anything.


The great $400 experiment, heh.

 

thats the one thing about modular video cards not really having a standard, theres all sorts of different flavors and with inconsistencies around every corner, as well as different power draws, laptops that have the promising possibility of an upgrade seem to fall short unless its a manufacturer supplied upgrade. but it looks like in this case that the 88 is simply not liking the fact that the other set of contacts arent connected to whatever they need to be.

 

I just checked and the physical form factor is standard for Nvidia issue for MXM-III cards. It is a stock 8800M form factor, but the lack of the extra slot connector is why no post, but at least we know the 1722 can house a MXM-III form factor physically.

So MXM-II Nvidia or MXM-II/III from ATI (note the form factor of the 3870's, as they don't have the extra connector).
Also the 4850 has the same connector type (which makes sense, since it is in the GT725), but the 4870 looks a bit different from what I've seen so far.

 

electrosoft, are you sure that yours 8800M GTS are MXM-III? Because I think that, cards with this additional connector are MXM-HE cards. As I know this connector is used for additional power that this cards require. MXM-HE connector is compatible with all MXM types. So is it possible your distributor has made a mistake, and stated that this card is MXM-III?

 

If it is an MXM-HE card (and it does require extra power), the issue is still there then that the 1722 can't supply the extra juice; whereas a M17/840 and others with the extra tab slot could if required by the card as their MXM interface has the extension. MXM-III can also be MXM-III, HE.

From what I've found, the 8800M gts/gtx requires the extra tab/voltage in its MXM package for every card I've manage to track down to read up on from standard Nvidia pics to others who have pulled their cards and taken pics (8800M/9800M only) so it still may limit the list to:

Nvidia 9700M gt
Nvidia 9800gs
ATI 3850
ATI 3870
ATI 4850

as cards that work in the 1722 (well, cards that are actual upgrades).

With the die shrink and lower thermal requirements, an ATI 4860 might be an option when it is released.

Here is a nice post by Gophn:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=4518221

 

Nice! thanks for this post, very informative.

I don't think the HE tab is causing the problem. I have seen systems with an MXM-II/III connector work with a MXM-HE card with the tab sticking out, such as the Asus W90 and the MSI GT627 (links are to the pictures of the insides of the respective systems, which show the GPU inside the socket). If anything, it could be a locked OEM VBios or not enough power.

The only system I know that uses an 8800M GTS in MXM form is the HP HDX Dragon (yes, the same behemoth of a notebook you have/had in your signature). If that's the case, it probably won't work because HP VBioses are often locked. This is why a lot of people couldn't get the Quadro 1500M on ebay to work in their systems (those 1500ms were pulled from HP notebooks as well). The only other MXM "8800M GTS" is from an ALienware M15x, but it's really a Quadro FX3600M.

I tested a 3870 on the 1722, but I killed one of my cards because it wasn't making any contact with the heatsink. It posted something for less than half a second, then the screen turned white.

 

The Copper plate I used as a makeshift HS was definitely making contact. I actually used my drill to allow it to lock down. After turning it on, I could hear the system power up as normal, but nothing on the screen. I think it was a power requirement issue, but you never know. The plate didn't get warm to the touch.

If I could get ahold of some Vbios's, I could always USB boot with a batch file and blind flash (Done that plenty of times on other systems) to check
Hmmm.....

Or I could always plug it in my HDX9000 and flash it there.

With the W90, and the tab sticking out, does the W90 supply enough current via the main slot and thus doesn't need the aux HE tab for the additional power?

 

It should be able to. After all, it's using a 230w adapter. I never understood the significance of that extra HE tab. Some say it's for extra power to distinguish it from an MXM-III card, yet some MXM-III cards consume more power on average than the MXM-HE cards.

 

Nice attempt electrosoft, quite a shame it didn't work.

 

sounds like its just a proprietary thing, one more different model to restrict users from upgrades and keep them coming back to the supplier that originally made the stock card. as far fetched as it seems, when have you found a company that doesn't like return business?

 

This is interesting:
According to Wiki (see MXM table):
As table shows - MXM-HE module has 2 pins more than all others, but it still has its backward compatibility. This means that MXM-III card can be used in MXM-HE module, but MXM-HE card can't be used in MXM-III slot. I think this is the case with electrosoft's cards.
And also my only explanation to the pictures shown in above posts, where video card is used, without HE tab to be connected is that the rest of PCI-E module is with this 2 extra pins. This is just a guess.

 

The thing is, looking at the standards chart, this card is a MXM-III card in the sense that MXM-HE and MXM-III both fall under the III designation. Look at the GPU card interface of the M17/Whitebook or some Clevo's. The extra tab is there just in case the HE extension is needed. The HE extension is standard issue on Nvidia 8800M GTX/GTS and 9800M GTX/GTS (figures, since they're basically the same thing ).

So basically, it looks like we'll top out with a 4850 or if we're lucky, a 4860 mobile piece.

I didn't get the Bios restriction message. I could hear the system booting, just no video.

I wish I had a M17/Whitebook to give this card a go, since they have the HE extension with their MXM-III interface.

 

I love my new 1722 id2. T9400, 4gb OCZ ddr2, 80gb SATA HDD

 

Finally Put TOGETHER!!!

P8700, 4GB OCZ DDR2, WD Scorpio Black 320gb!! Runs great!

Checked the temps all look great! Installed Crysis and, I get the blue crash screen before the game installs to play. Any ideas? Looked at all the requirements, I should be all good!!

 

Did you stress test it a little Hawk?

Run 3DMark06 just to make sure graphics subsystem is ready
Run Prime95 to check the CPU
Run Memtest to make sure the memory is ok

 

Mine is the MSI MS-1722 barebone with Intel P9600, GeiL 4gb DDR2 800, 320GB Hitachi travelstar, NVidia 9600Gt 512mb DDR3, and Intel Pro 5100 mini AGN wifi card. Total cost for me was like $700. I got everything for a good deal. Mostly googled stuff, and checked ebay.

 

Just like what electrosoft said, stress test your system for stability, when I
got my system together I didn't realised how important it was to stress it,
and I get bsod or restart everytime I surf the net or installing something.
Turns out it was the cpu, it was unstable at full speed.

 

Hi all,

I just build my msi 1722 a few hours ago. Upgraded my p-1711fx with a T9800, so I took the P8400 out and put it in the 1722. Got 4 gigs of micron ddr800. Everything works perfect except for 1 problem. I installed the scm thing and I have a tv tuner card. When I press the camera button it asks me what program I want to launch. If I load the camera recorder it only gives me the option to use the tv tuner. In essence, I can't turn on the camera. Is there a registry setting that turns on the camera, or is it a hardware thing. I guess it maybe either I get to use the tuner or the camera, but not both. I've installed vista 64 without the tuner and the camera works fine. Its an avertv a312 - works ok, but the antenna sucks.

One more thing, I noticed there is a u.fl connector for the tv tuner and it goes out to a reverse sma type connector on the side - anyone know where I can get an antenna for this, the one I'm using sucks. I am using bios 1.0s and I did the firmware update for the camera on msi's web-site.
thanks

 

I guess you have ID1 too huh? you are using the wrong firmware.
read this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=362808

 

Any advice on adjusting color settings for the LCD on the 1722 id2, the color settings just seem to be off a bit, and all tries to fix it have failed

 

The main page of this thread has been updated with the 1722 (ID1) Firmware. Download the BIOS and Firmware and update them in that order.

 

Update time!

Okay so i got my T5550 in the mail, it boots YAY! and so im totally stoked about that, now i get into the bios take a quick look and then throw in a xp cd, and its installin and gets to part of the install screen and then BSOD! OMG! so it reads, STOP 0x0000007B (0xF78D2524, 0xC0000034, 0x00000000, 0x00000000) which according to microsoft can mean one of many different things, im gonna run memtest and try and stress the cpu cache a bit make sure this cpu isnt another bum, but since its at least working stable on the bios level, im not sure if i remember seeing it at all but im running 1.0N or something like it on my bios, the bioses are the same right? I'm gonna take a peek and see but if someone can give me some linkage and an answer if its possible to upgrade to S that'd be great. im trying different things to see if theres an issue, but i'm gonna start with memtest and tickle my ram and cpu. but one last thing...

I've seen at least one post of this laptop running XP, can this be done with other laptops, are there any special issues/concerns running xp on these machines i.e. special controller drivers needed for the new chipset or maybe a new controller, (Which is what the suggested.) Also hows performance on vista, im real curious, also since i have 4gb of ram comin, I'm tempted to play with vista for a bit until 7 gets all nice and stable.

 

Did you remember to disable the ACHI in the bios before you install xp?

 

oh, crap, yes i did forget, retrying the install now, thanks good sir ^^

 

and a juicy tidbit for everyone here, i saw it in a different thread but it hasn't been mentioned here yet, the super secret msi menu, press Ctrl + Alt + Insert for great justice, (and to tweak the hell outa your notebook, overclock settings, north/southbridge settings, very good yes indeedy) take a look for yourself... http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=354799

 

AAAANd very nice great success! the 1722 is up and cruzing really well, performance tests show nice potential for gaming, will be testing audio and hdmi quality (vid/aud) so ill try and give some good info on that, noticing a fairly crispy temp on my core, but thatll be solved hopefully on monday when my arctic silver should arrive, and ill be able to drop temps, i'm not sure what kind of temps you guys are seeing but i was pushing 63 (possibly higher, but i stopped) though thats with some bad pasting, if anyone wants me to try anything let me know, ill do what I can to tweak this notebook even further.

 

Thanks, I put the right firmware on and the camera works again.
Anywho, anybody know where I can get a decent antenna for the right-side back area where there is an antenna connector?
Also, I have an ID1, are we able to overclock these yet, my cpu is running really cold and I would like to warm it up a little?

 

Well, after a little research it appears to be an MMCX connector on the side. I was thinking of getting this antenna for the tuner (and it will plug into the side).
http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=21331
Let me know what you guys think.

 

i'd say give it a shot, tv tuners arent too picky about antennas, but its interesting to see that tv tuners are using mmcx now for connections, but i guess its realistic being in a notebook, 5dbi will work nicely for your tuner, you should be able to get a good reception, though thats depending on how sensitive your card is, as in any case though YRMV, its a low price so there's not much to lose right?

 

oookay well guys, so long story short, i'm gonna return my t7300, and now im lookin at procs, ES series has shaken me a bit so I'm definitely unsure about gettin another but this one is tempting for the price, its apparently a co stepping so i think its gonna be give or take, but processorwise im sorta battling it out between a p84/86 and a t9 series, what do you guys think i should to make this meanmachine run smooth as silk?

this is the im considering at the moment

 

um... I hope you you used some sort of thermal paste other than those stock
wax thing that came with the notebook. Those things melt and don't come off
completly once used. I like the p8400/8600 better since it's 25W which lowers
power consumption and heat.

edit: apparently I was wrong.. they do come off pretty easily just did a little experiment with a old heatsink XD

 

Ok!

Here are some tests numbers.
PerformanceTest 7: 1034.4
Speed fan: 31 c CPU: 42C GPU

Compared the perf7 results with others and my conclusion is it is pretty comparable. No errors on any test except prime95, 2.5 hours in. What does this all mean?? Looks good to me!

MSI 1722 ID1, P8700, WD 320GB, 4G Ram, Vista Home premium (64 bit)

 

By the way, I may be getting a laptop from work...figures.

1722 may go on e-bay, what is a good price?? I figure what I have in it.

 

Depends....is the CPU OEM or ES?

 

Electrosoft-

The CPU is a OEM. Is there anything I should be aware of with all those benchmark test??

 

well hawk it depends on what you want out of it, if you wanna get rid of it sell it at cost, if you want a bit back for your time, then sell it at cost + 100 or so considering the fact that the 1722s (especially ID2s) are getting harder to find you might crank it up another 50, it all depends dude, if you really dont wanna set the price rock solid, then either do an auction or do a buy it now with best offer option, those usually work out nicely, cause you can review the prices and get a good estimate, that way you can have a decently high buy it now price with a good room for people to fish around in and you still get a good amount over what you paid to get + assemble + time

 

I love my 1722 ID2, However one thing I noticed is that the mouse touchpad seems to have a slight worn spot on it already. It's not bad, I'm just not used to seeing something like that until much further down the road.

Who knows, it may be own fault for not cleaning my hands well before touching after using some Artic Silver 5, but I'm not sure that's the case or if AS5 could even cause that to happen. (I'm kinda just guessing here as to why it's happened).

Anyway I'm thinking if it erodes quickly I'm going to replace it. I have the disassembly guide and was wondering If anyone knows of a source to get the part. Is it a matter of contacting MSI or could one of the resellers hook me up?

Anyone else notice this?

 

simple solution: use a mouse.

 

Anyone know where to buy parts for these? I need a new mainboard. I bought a processor,ram, hard drive and had Windows 7 running smooth. Decided to get rid of Windows 7 and put back XP and it won't install. I flashed the bios with 1.0s, disabled AHCI mode, swithed memory modules, memory banks, hard drives and the same thing happens. XP starts to install, loads all the drivers, then hangs like it can't find the hard drive. Windows 7 does the same thing now. I bought mine off ebay from a buyer who had 50 of these. He has no more in stock to trade it, but will give me a refund. MSI won't service it as it turns out the notebook was one of many on a crate that was stolen from their warehouse. I found Rkcomputers online but they want $300.00 for the mainboard. No way it can be worth that much. Any help would be great. It's the WUXGA model 1722-1

 

Well... bad to hear. Are you sure it is the mainboard? Did you try everything possible? Another BIOS/Firmware flash? Did you seat the HDD?
Otherwise 300USD... hmm it's alot. Well since it's WUXGA I actually can offer you to buy it. I want this display. If you are interested to my offer, PM me.