The NEW MSI GS75, 8th GEN Intel, NVIDIA RTX GPU with GDDR6!

Can you linked that rumors page?

You need g sync/free sync module to be able to use it, without it your laptop display can’t use that adaptive sync. Sidenote, not read yet your link still on go, later I’ll check.

 

No, I read dozens of reviews and forums in a very short time when buying the laptop and I do not know where it was. In any case, I have consulted directly with MSI and when I have an answer, I put it.

Gsync needs a hardware module, no freesync, it is part of the Display Port protocol and nvidia supports some drivers, "Gsync compatible".
I think it's possible, but at worst it's just a support for new models, we'll see.

 

Even it doesn’t have hardware modul like g sync you need to moding it hardware wise not by software, quite impossible on a laptop display, especially you have nvidia card and optimus.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeSync

VESA announced Adaptive-Sync as an ingredient component of the DisplayPort 1.2a specification

 

That’s not for internal display, you can google if there’s already users that succeed using nvidia adaptive sync on a laptop screen. And the answer is no one.

 

I still think that it is possible. I do not speak of users achieving it, if not of manufacturers, I do not see why a laptop panel to be different from a monitor.

 

The new asus zephorus has both Optimus and gsync toggled by a software switch. So that's one company who is officially supporting both.

 

It’s already there since last year, and before this feature was also on sager Clevo Laptop, those two have g sync Modul on default, they only unlock igpu to enable optimus, most g sync laptops igpu is locked to not interrupt the performance, gpu perfomance even on same laptop on optimus mode is worse, someone showed the comparison on Zephyrus, search it on this forum. You guys should realize it won’t come G-Sync to internal screen optimus laptop. Save your waiting time and buy g sync/g sync enable freesync >1080p >27inch >120Hz external monitor, for a better experience.

 

yes, i think most probably for the external monitor

 

Unfortunately Optimus is a feature which is unable to be disabled in these laptops.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-G...rom-the-same-RTX-2080-Max-Q-GPU.416001.0.html
Here's a pretty good comparison.

And a review itself.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-G...0H-RTX-2080-Max-Q-Laptop-Review.415202.0.html

The motherboard doesn't seem to be inverted like the GS65, at least for upgrading storage.
Hopefully the RAM is under the black dust protector.

 

RAM is under the motherboard, dissassembly is required.

 

If you guys didn't know, Nvidia's Gsync on laptops isn't the same as the one on desktops. They are basically just using the Vesa adaptive sync standard on laptops.

There are no Gsync modules on laptop panels which is why back when G-sync was first launched, there was a way to trick the gpu into thinking the panel was adaptive sync using G-tools

Unfortunately the creator of G-tools was silenced by Nvidia.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...-most-laptopsedp-and-potentially-desktop-too/

 

Thanks for the info, @cesc21 . It is very old ....

I am convinced that it is not a question of hardware, as demonstrated by the same Nvidia allowing Gsync in Freesync screens.

As a maximum, the same requires updating bios to allow disconnecting the integrated and not interfere with Optimus (so the models that allow change between Optimus and Gsync requires a reboot of the system), but is a question of controllers and if they want to support it , that is another issue. If the screen complies with the VESA standard and is connected by DP, it is must be possible.

Maybe it's just an update for external screens, I do not know, but I expect official response and when I know I'll let you know.

 

It would be great if our laptops can use variable refreshrate tech. I know laptop Gsync is basically "freesync" and I wouldn't mind having the capability enabled

As for battery life, I noticed two things: watching netflix/light browsing I did get up to 5 hours of use. But doing more intensive stuff the battery life was reduced to 2-3 hours, particularly if something kept enabling the dgpu.

Not yet such high temps but it's a matter of time for me, because ambient temps are rising and it will be inevitable. I've yet to repaste but it seems all the parts I need are finally here, hopefully I can work on it this weekend and finally have better temps.

Did you also undervolt?

 

For me the new bios increase battery life, from 2,5 hours to 4 hours ........

 

I remember someone mentioning it before, but anyone got an issue with laptop going to sleep on lid close?

I close and it doesn't turn off, even though the power profile is set that way? I think it might even wake up sometimes as well, as I pressed the power button before and when I came back, it was on again.

Weird issues!

 

It’s there, “g-sync”, it’s just hidden, requires a bios edit and the internal display must be connected via display port on the m/b. I’ll take mine apart and look, if it is, I’ll work up a guide. Unless someone has already commented (I couldn’t find someone saying if it is or isn’t).

 

Good news everyone, another new BIOS along with EC firmware is up, changelog of EC firmware stating improved GPU performance, will update later to see there's any performance changes

 

Thank you for the news update, below are the direct download links from the official page.
https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GS75-Stealth-8SG#down-firmware

BIOS:
http://download.msi.com/bos_exe/nb/E17G1IMS.10C.zip

EC:
http://download.msi.com/archive/frm_exe/nb/17G1EMS1.104.zip

 

Any idea with the meaning of EC firmware changelog?
'Improve GPU performance in AC mode with APP mode'
What does APP mode stands for?

 

I think that's meant for the MSI Dragon Center 2 application (updated on Apr 3rd).
http://download.msi.com/uti_exe/nb/ap_DragonCenterv2.5.1903.2601_2.5.1903.2601_0x75f7fb33.zip

 

I was able to extract the bios, edit it, and if anyone wants to convert their 2070mq from 80w to 92 watts at 1080 MHz clock, without loss of ports or other issues, let me know?

 

I love this little one. After adjusting, undervolting and Conductonaut on the 8750H, bios of 90W to 2080 Max-Q, and overclock the memory to 3,000 Mhz tweacking timmings, the performance increase is more than remarkable.

The last push, after increasing the RAM speed:

 

That must be hot as a mofo. Congrats! How did you get your RAM speed up?

 

There’s a overclock menu after you unlock the bios to adjust ram speed in the advance tab towards the bottom.

 

Here you have a good guide, it's like @David Kirchik says:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...advanced-version.823065/page-13#post-10898286

 

Not this issue specifically, but I have noticed if I plug anything into any of the USB ports (including the USB-C port), the laptop will not shut down correctly. Windows closes and the screen goes black, but the machine remains powered on. I have to hold the power button to switch it off completely. Normally this causes no harm, but once or twice have I had an error on boot up, regarding a power management driver. This may or may not be related to your issue. I'd be interested to hear if others have similar problems.

 

Wow, I think that is the issue I have!! The USB dongle for my mouse is stopping it from going to sleep. I will have to test this when I get home.

 

The MSI GS75 Stealth-247 with an I7-9750H is out now. https://www.gamerbraves.com/msi-deb...ith-the-newest-9th-gen-intel-core-processors/

 

Alright, I've been very busy with work but I have managed to open up, repaste and also add another stick of RAM, plus recovered from the dead SSD. Everything seems faster/smoother but might be placebo.

I also performed a fresh install of windows again and I am getting up to 6 hours just browsing the web. Nice. I will try some games and work on my review with my freshly repasted machine.

Oh I forgot to mention, what a pain it is to service this machine! Such a big hassle. I hope my paste job wasn't bad, otherwise I will feel a bit too tired to re-do it. Seems like the CPU is working fine and with good temps... I hope I didn't botch the GPU!

As for the USB thing, I also noticed it with my mouse. Anything USB connected remains powered when shutting the laptop down. I didn't find any BIOS settings that could help me.

 

Now that there will be a GS75 with 9th gen intel chips, is a new thread needed or will it just be combined with this one?

 

I'm guessing that unless something hugely different is discovered, we could use the same thread. Everything but the CPU seems to be the same (even the model number) and at most we will see some variation in performance and/or heat. The same could be said of having different CPU options on other notebooks (like i5, i7 and i9 on the same chassis)

 

I believe that part of BIOS setting is hidden. Has anyone else that looked into this option with an unlocked BIOS?

 

I'd say we can keep the same thread this time. The 9th gen CPUs are basically the same as 8th gen, and only the higher end models sport the 8 core it seems. Both are still coffee lake based? No new GPUs yet since RTX is still new, and nothing else new so far in ports, form factor, etc.

A similar thing happened when I got the GT73, it was 6th gen CPUs and they quickly released the 7th gen ones which were basically identical. It was until the GT75 and 8th gen that we got a big difference.

 

I had the exact same experience, I bought a Razer Blade with a 6th gen CPU and a month or so later the 7th gen CPUs were released. It seems like history is destined to repeat itself.

I bought this for the GPU and size/weight, so I'm only a tiny bit jealous of the 8 core option. I wonder how hot it'll get though, even after repasting my 8750H gets into the mid 80s under heavy load.

I never posted any of my benchmarks! These are all after repasting, and with a custom fan curve.
Firestrike: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19148493
Timespy: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6999342
Port Royal: https://www.3dmark.com/pr/83532
Cinebench:

CrystalDiskMark:


And here was the factory paste job, not too bad. I wish I had taken more pictures, I thought it was fairly painless to disassemble, but I might just have low standards.

 

It's not hard to disassemble the laptop, it's just a hassle in comparison to several other models, and even more so in comparison to my last 5 MSI laptops, all of which had 1/3rd of steps to perform, or even less haha.

Though once you disassemble it, you can easily see what you need to remove or keep. Hell, I almost forgot to plug back my fans! hahaha.

I wish the 90w vbios would work for me... not sure why it isn't working.... will try again during the weekend.

 

Has anyone found an option somewhere in the (unlocked) BIOS that would silence the CPU fan while idle? My HP Spectre had that option in the standard BIOS.

I poked around some in the advanced settings but didn't find anything. But holy moly are there a lot of options in there.

Dragon Center can be configured for a "silent" fan profile, but I find the Auto curve to be much smoother. With Advanced, the fan can jump on for just a few seconds, then turn right back off.

Edit: Looks like Shift Mode = ECO does what I'm looking for.

 

Final result after tuning the RAM overclock to 3.000 Mhz and check stability for several days. Before, stock 2.666:



After:



To be completely happy, I just need to activate the Gsync, I do not give it up

 

Are you using the stock memory? I am going to try and tweak memory as well.

 

Yes, stock modules Kinsgton 2.666 Mhz dual channel. Instead of 133x10 I set in bios 100x15 to 3.000 Mhz, 1T, tREFI 52.782, and Uncore offset +125, with the other timings stock. Also on Throttlestop I must set System Agent with the same offset, +125 and little less undervolting for stability, -129 mv instead of -143 mv to CPU and Cache. Nothing else.

Be carefully do not brick your laptop, if you make a mistake the machine no post and needs a clear CMOS (45 sg power button).

Not big changes, but some games and benchmarks like RAM speed, see the difference on Assasins Creeds Odysey at maximum settings (Not only FPS, the framerate is also more stable):





Another example, if you look for 3dMark Port Royale benchmarks with 2080 Max-Q, my little machine is the first one on the ranking:

https://www.3dmark.com/search?_ga=2.174893218.1802847986.1556544458-629724157.1535620751#/?mode=advanced&url=/proxycon/ajax/search2/gpu/pr/P/1254/500000?minScore=0&cpuName=any&gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Max-Q&gpuCount=0

Undervolting, repaste, 90w bios, and RAM overclock make the miracle

 

Awesome, I will try it as well. Although I will be less aggressive with ram. I will first go for 3000mhz and then work my way. Now, if only the damm 90W bios would work on my GPU... I don't know why it gets stuck at 990mhz when I use it.

 

I cannot help you with the bios, I do not have any problem flashing it, it's strange that it does not work for you.

 

Nice Port Royal score but honestly this rtx maxq thing is really disappointing. I was comparing Blade 2060 with my 1070maxq 2060 on this game (AC Oddysey) max 1080p can score 5fps more, forgot where was the thread but if 2080maxq can only hit 62fps that means performance advantage vs 1070maxq is around 20%. It’s nice to have better performance but if I’m on market to new thin light categories, I’d go with 2060 or 1070maxq for lower price but better on price for performance.
https://m.imgur.com/account/joiKansai/images/wjl6002

 

There are many options to choose from for all prices, sizes, performance, there was never that much choice.
It's my first laptop gaming, so I do not care about the comparisons with previous ones that I did not have. Obviously the GS75 is not for everyone, but if you are looking for a real and light laptop that also performs excellently gaming and with a discreet design that you can take the same to work as a Lan Party, and the price is not a problem, then it is a great choice in my opinion.

I respect all the opinions and I reaffirm that the GS75 is not for everyone, but for me it is simply like my wife, perfect

 

Just picked up GS75 2070maxq, its my first laptop beast. I'm new to gaming laptops though, wheres best to learn how to undervolt and ramp up performance?
Thanks everyone.

 

I’m not saying about gs75, it’s for all maxq rtx, especially Razer, Asus and other, that put Rocket League price to this 2080maxq. I bought last summer 1070maxq and it was best gpu for power and portability for €2k with discount being Razer fans and have students mate lol They charged almost €2,5K mrsp, now with 2080maxq on around 20% performance increase they charge €3K, and with similar gs75 update on 17 inch Blade Pro 2080maxq charging close to €3,5K . We should make embargo for this insanity, good Lenovo brings 2070maxq under 2K and Alienware makes a lot discount hope other manufactures adjust the price back to normal.
Great that it’s fitting your need just like your wife lol.

 

Here is the Throttlestop guide for undervolting

This video is a good place to start.

 

I understand you. It has always been like this in this world, 20% more is not achieved by little more money, c'est la vie mon ami

 

Well, the 90w vbios finally started working. I only had to delete all drivers, uninstall the GPU, and download the latest ones. Why it didn't work before, I don't know, but doing this procedure a second time seems to have done the trick.

I will work my way through overclocking later, but I like my scores so far, it's not that far behind my GTX1080 now
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/7066756 Timespy
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19216553 Firestrike

Sorry for the old version of benchmarks/sysinfo. I am using a stand alone 3Dmark installer and it was updating when I ran the test. I was more focused on seeing utilization and temps than updating haha. It's funny how high clocks get reported by the test, when in reality they are like 1300mhz-1600mhz fluctuating per test.

Max temps was like 80 C for the CPU and 75C for the GPU, on a 24 celsius ambient temp.

 

Hello

I'il buy a new laptop. I can't decide between two models.
The programs I use mostly use the processor and load the processor.

Option 1
MSI GS75
8750h
RTX2070

2.Option
MSI GE75
9750h
RTX2070

I didn't write because the rest of the hardware was almost the same.

I actually want the GS model. Very easy to carry. But I'm afraid it's a warm-up problem. My computer stays under load for a long time. Render, mesh-iteration (ANSYS).
Which model should I choose? Is there a difference between 8750h and 9750h? Does the GS75 warm up under load for a long time?
I would be very happy if you could share your ideas and comments and help me decide.

Regards.