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    The NEW MSI GS75, 8th GEN Intel, NVIDIA RTX GPU with GDDR6!

    Discussion in 'MSI Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by -=$tR|k3r=-, Jan 7, 2019.

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    seanwee Father of laptop shunt modding

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    Here you go.
     

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    I'm looking to do a RAM upgrade to my GS75 (2070, 9750H). I was looking at 16x2 32GB kits, and can't decide which one will perform better for the money.

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    These are the two kits I'm debating between. Is it worth the extra 10 bucks to get CL16 vs CL19? Will this laptop even accept these kits to run at 2666Mhz? Thanks for any input in advance!!!
     
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    Thats if you're lazy and just want to XMP it. Yes they will run at 2666MHz thats the default cpu specification. Now can it run faster? of course!

    Now if you're a tweaker like some of us you can just get some Samsung C or B dies and overclock them yourself. I had the stock Samsung C die that came with my GS65 run at CL18 3200, while my B die 32gb kit also ran at CL18 3200 but thats up to you. Some people just get the branded ones with XMP tables for ease but at a slightly lower performance.
     
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    I'm probably not gonna OC the ram. Just gonna let it XMP itself. After looking around and doing some more research, it doesn't seem like the higher latency is really going to make much of a difference.
     
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    Overclocking the ram will give a sizeable boost to performance so I'd say give it a shot.
     
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    I've got allot of homework to do then haha. I know about CPU overclocking, but haven't really tweaked RAM. I'm guessing those two that I was deciding between probably isn't a good candidate for being OC'd. I'll look into the Samsung memory as mentioned.
     
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    Rather than playing around in the OC menu, if I just XMP this memory; it should be stable at 3200Mhz right?
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    Yes
     
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    Just noticed a weird thing with the keyboard backlights. Two keys (5 and Print Screen) are purple when I set all keys to white. When I turn all keys to green, it seems like're just off. Is this a defect or fixable? When I set everything to red, for example, they are all the same. :confused:
     
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    Try blue color and green color

    It seems your LED backlight is broken. @.@

    Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk
     
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    When green they're just off it seems. And with blue they're a different shade. Not sure this is worth sending it in for though. Fingers crossed they don't die completely, though the warranty is for about 2 more years so there's that.
     
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    Yeah thats a common problem. The green led on steelseries keyboards just don't last long. I have two defective keys myself.

    The only way to get it fixed is to RMA it.
     
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    Yup, best to let warranty to take care of this issue for you.
     
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    Guys,

    What is your default Fan Curve if you are using SilentOption?

    Also, is there any benefit (performance wise) if I unlock the cpu via BIOS?

    I like to maintain the temperature below 70s.

    As of now my temperature are 68 to 70 max. All games performing well also. Fps games (apex, cod mw) have 100 to 120framerate,

    Other heavy graphics games run at above 70fps average.

    Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk
     
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    If you want to keep temperatures below 70s then bypassing the cpu power limit won't be an option.

    Yes, it will improve performance in cpu workloads(+20%) and cpu heavy games (+5-10%) but that is at the cost of significantly higher temperatures.

    In games like apex you won't see any performance improvement.

    As for fan curve mine is 0%, 20%, 60% then 78% for the rest. 78% just happens to be the noise/cooling sweet spot for my particular unit.
     
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    Are you planning on RMA'ing yours? I am very happy with my machine so unless a backlight goes dark completely, I won't be sending mine in probably.
     
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    Yeah same here. I'll only be sending it back before the warranty expires.
     
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    @seanwee I remember you overclocked the RAM. Do you have a link to the guide on how to do that? Can't find it :(
     
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    I need to go through that guide too. I just got that GSKILL 3200Mhz ram installed. Once XMP'd it just auto-crashes once getting into windows. As of right now, I'm running it at a seemingly stable 2933Mhz @ CL17 (I just took the default RAM profile and bumped up the speed multiplier). I think 3200 might be doable after some tweak??? lol...

    I just looked at that pinned guide, maybe I need to adjust the uncore voltage to try to run it at XMP speeds?
     
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    Yeah, increase uncore, system agent and ram voltage to the maximum sustainable safe voltage, overclock, then try to lower it after you've overclocked the ram to your desired speed.
     
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    Okay, got it booting and stable @ 3200Mhz with a +100mV on the system agent and uncore, along with a 1.3V memory voltage.

    Now I'm trying to dial in the GPU OC and CPU UV. One thing I can't figure out though, is why I'm getting such awful battery life. It's only going for around 2.5 hours. I know this machine will have crappy battery life, but I don't think it should be that low. Or... is this normal for a machine that's running OC'd RAM? I'm also getting relatively high idle temps; it hovers around 45-55C. Are those idle temps normal for this thin chassis?
     
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    Your nvidia gpu is on, thats why its getting such poor battery life. Do you have msi afterburner running?
     
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    Yep, it is. Okay, I see now; my power light was orange constantly. Ive disabled it on boot and now it seems better, with a white power light. Now I've got to look up a way to keep my GPU overclocks without having to open it up every time.

    Thanks for the tip
     
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    Happy to help :)

    I keep msi afterburner pinned to my taskbar so I can easily reach it. I've looked for a way to make it launch automatically when say, a game is launched but to no avail. Unfortunately task scheduler can't be set to trigger when an app is opened.
     
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    Ah, I see. I guess it is what it is then, I'll just open up afterburner if I want to game then. So far, this is the best Time Spy score I can come up with (2070/9750). I want to try and crack 7600 on the GPU score, but I'm not sure if that's even possible... or is it
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    Hi guys,

    I'm new here - looking to repaste my GS75. I'm based in London, you know anywhere/anyone that could do it?

    Googled everywhere but there seem to be none...??

    Thanks!!
     
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    New BIOS : E17G1IMS.10F
    ROM CheckSum : 0xC346
    Release Date: 2019/12/31

    ;--------------------------- Description ------------------------------------;

    1. Workaround for S3 wake panel no display issue. (240Hz AUO panel S1J-7E0A032-A90)

    It doesn't seem to affect my 8SG so I think I'm going to go from updating .
     
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    I think this BIOS update has finally resolved my Sleep to Hibernate transition problem. Been testing over the last 24h, and now the laptop properly wakes from Sleep and goes into Hibernate after 1h, 2h, 4h, both after timing out to Sleep and with the lid closed. The one thing that's been bugging me about this machine might now be a thing of the past!
     
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    Lapped and LMed my GS75

    View attachment 181299

    Stress testing with prime 95 small fft + heaven 4.0

    Used 1500 grit all the way up to 7000 grit wet/dry. Spent 30 mins each with 7000 grit on the cpu/gpu heatspreader.
     
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    I didn't make a detailed record of the per core temperatures on my first fresh LM application but the max was 86°C cpu and 72°C gpu

    Post lap 30 min stress

    https://i.imgur.com/o5NTstA.png
     
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    Very nice. I still havent applied LM myself and slowly I am inclined not to do it mainly because I have no throttling issues and I don't care that much about temp as long as they are good enough to work at max performance.

    But right now I am finally getting irked by max Q itself. It works okay, and I know its limited and all, but the power limit kicks in particular ways when playing at high refreshrates. Like games work 90% of the time well and as they should but some scenes are taxing and make the GPU hit its limit harder to the point the framedrop seems a bit more pronounced than it should. Its sporadic, but well, its something I have to kind of accept now.
     
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    Hey guys,

    I don't get this, when I ran AIDA64 stress test, there's no throttling and the temperature holds well, but seems like the Core Clock doesn't even hit the max of 3890Mhz

    https://imgur.com/8Ln5cP1

    any help is appreciated.
     
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    Which processor do you have? i7-8850H?
    So let's use i7-8850H for example, if you run stress tests on the entire system which puts loading on all cores then you can't really hit the max speed of 4.3GHz.
     
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    Power limit throttling I'm guessing.

    You can bypass this in the advanced bios.
     
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    This. Out of the box there is power, voltage, current and thermal limits all playing to different degrees. You can extend/bypass some of them, but others will inevitably kick in.
     
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    Has anyone upgraded a 9560 wifi card to a AX200? I'm reading that it doesn't work, though I wouldn't be sure why.
     
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    Different connector. There are two different cards, the Ax200 and Ax201
     
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    There is a new version of dragon center that has an overdrive setting.

    How do I test that it actually works?
     
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    Tested overdrive OFF vs ON

    OFF
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    ON
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    So the AX201 does work?
     
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    I'm not sure which will work with the connector on the GS75.
     
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    I'll get in touch with HIDEvolution to ask for confirmation, as they offer this as an upgrade. Will update here if I know more. :)
     
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    Where is that new version and where does the override option come from?

    On the download page I only see a November version.

    Thanks
     
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    Yeah thats the latest version

    There is a display overdrive option and a vr ready option now.
     
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    Where are you reading this?

    Thats one of the first things I replaced on my GS65 lol and it works fine, better than the 9560.

    Here is an FYI for Killer reference:
    Killer 1550 = Intel 9260
    Killer 1550i = Intel 9560
    Killer 1550s = Intel 9560



    Killer 1650x = Intel AX200
    Killer 1650w = Intel AX200
    Killer 1650i = Intel AX201
    Killer 1650s = Intel AX201

    Anyways as long as you connect the antennas correctly you should be good.
     
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    Well this thread is pretty dead :/

    I went ahead and did a shunt mod on my GS75 and gained 20% more performance.

    https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/45605811

    Went from 21.5k graphics to 26.2k so it's as fast as the 150w mobile 2080 in the GE75 but in a thin form factor.
     
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    NIce one Seanwee! It's great to see your mod paid off.

    I'd love to know what changes you've made.
     
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    LM on cpu, carbonaut on gpu, lapped heatsink to mirror finish, removed cpu power limit, shunt modded the gpu, overclocked the ram and overclocked the gpu core and memory.
     
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