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@Rage Set and @D2 Ultima - new BPX has the same issue as the old one, but not as severe. But, I finally found the source of the problem...


...if this piece of crap is switched on, I have the issue with transparent windows, transparent right-click menus, drop down menus that are clear without text and Start menu being white with no icons or text or clear with nothing but my user picture at the top, desktop icons not working (won't launch anything), etc. These problems only occur after launching any UWP game filth from Windows Store. A log-off or reboot is required to fix it. If I disable the Game Bar gimmick, the problem is completely gone. If I turn Game Bar back on, the problem returns.

So, it appears to be some kind of issue with the Game Bar overlay or DVR not playing nice with DWM or it goofs up the desktop I/O. It only happens with Windows 10 on the BPX NVMe SSD.

 

So in the case of a GPU it is different....than a CPU. Isn't the GPU going to melt to molten lava with more voltage which means more heat? the heat, how hot the GPU was in your benchmark?

Sorry to keep asking you, sensei.

 

@Mr. Fox, how much has your system performance improved since you first started tinkering in real world performance, such as fps in Crysis 3? Or any other real metric you could compare, not that your benchmarks don't speak for themselves...

 

Yes, overheating can and does kill GPUs. They are fragile and cannot stand much abuse. I do all of my overclocked benching on AC. The GPU was about 50°C.

 

Ok, good to know though. Will strike it from my rec list. Game bar on/off does not affect my 850 pro nor your 960 so the bpx is faulty until fixed

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To be totally honest, I have no idea. I have never measured it. With 7700k and 1080 running stock game experience is always good for me and I never felt a need to look or compare before vs after for playing games. When you have powerful components to begin with there is never really a need to overclock to play games. An extra 5 to 10 FPS only matters when you are struggling with something like 30 to 40 FPS due to weak hardware or a poorly coded mess someone called a game.

 

I am going to ask them for a refund or exchange for a 1TB non-NVMe M.2 SSD. I do not care about the Game Bar feature and the only reason I stumbled upon the cause is because it annoys the crap out of me and I went looking for a way to disable that worthless piece of dog excrement. And, to my surprise it made the problem go away. I could actually live with it now except for it would bug me knowing the issue is present even if it no longer affected me. I mean, what if I actually wanted to use that trash feature? Then I would be screwed.

 

Yes, exactly. A PC is supposed to have its features there for you to use or not use at will. A SSD is not supposed to screw over an OS by enabling some random feature of said OS. As I did say before, you pay for what you get it seems. A NVMe M.2 MLC NAND drive cheaper in some cases than the 850 EVO TLC SATA III drive? I guess it was simply too good to be true.

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All that glitters is not gold

"All that glisters is not gold—
Often have you heard that told.
Many a man his life hath sold
But my outside to behold.
Gilded tombs do worms enfold.
Had you been as wise as bold,
Young in limbs, in judgment old,
Your answer had not been inscrolled
Fare you well. Your suit is cold—
Cold, indeed, and labor lost."

 

Who are you?

 

Where's the overclocking, guys?

I diverted my attention from the Tornado F5 to give some love to the P870DM3 and come back and find no MSI overclocking samples? C'mon, let's go! Fire 'em up, boys.

5.3GHz Validation:

New #1 scores in multiple benchmarks...

 

Hi,
6951 on Time Spy with a gentle overclocking of my GT73VR (6820HK & GTX 1080) : http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1567246

 

Here's my Time Spy on a single GTX 1080 with a small overclock:

Time Spy - GTX 1080 (378.77) CPU 4.2 GHz-GPU OC 150-300 [W10]

 

All right! Now we're talking. Always love seeing benching action, especially in a benchmark thread.

Edit: What's up with both of you using drivers that are not approved by 3DMark? Not that it matters that much, just curious if there is a problem you guys are having that necessitates use of hotfix drivers instead of "normal" ones. I haven't needed to for a long time. But, I don't update GeForce drivers unless a newer one is (a) required to play a game I want to play and can't using my older drivers; or, (b) I see someone beating one of my benchmarks using a newer driver.

 

I don't remember which driver I was using, I ran the bench right after receiving the laptop ! Sadly I had to perform an RMA as I had a faulty SSD, so I couldn't really tinker with it... But I'll get it back in a week or so, I hope. Silicon's gonna burn

I'm curious to see the difference between the 6820HK and the 7820HK by the way !

 

Ah, that might explain it. OEM drivers are almost never WHQL and therefore 3DMark doesn't waste their time burning calories on validating them. The branch numbering is always goofed up on OEM drivers for some reason. I don't care one iota about WHQL. That is meaningless to me, but I do like my benchmark scores to show in search results without having to remove the check mark that excludes "invalid" results.

 

@Rage Set Would you be willing to add a 1050 ti category?
If so i'd be more than happy to go ahead and run all those test.

Also my 1050 ti is getting some pretty insane overclocking result imo.
1900 Core clock
4500 Memory Clock

I'm highly surprised i can literally play any game @ 60 fps without a problem, was i just a lucky silicon lotery winner?

 

@Rage Set I think adding more options could only help improve the conversation and traffic of this thread.

 

Hmm... I did not realize this was empty. Here's one for the leaderboard @Rage Set

Tornado F5 7700K 5.2GHz validation: http://valid.x86.fr/igp6v8

 

For the leaderboard @Rage Set

3DMark 11 - http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12138490



Sky Diver - http://www.3dmark.com/sd/4548604

 

7700HQ @ 3.4GHZ
1050 Ti

#1 Laptop with a 1050 ti
#20 Desktop & Laptop with 1050ti

Time Spy : http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1692065

 

7700HQ @ 3.4 GHZ
1050 ti

#1 Laptop with a 1050 ti
#26 Desktop & Laptop with 1050ti

Firestrike : http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/19720093?

 

Maybe not so relevant but I put it here Gamers Report Core i7-7700(K) temperature spikes

 

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12165412

@Rage Set @Donald@HIDevolution

MSI 1080 GPU with no external power source pulled 226W in this run.

 

@Rage Set are you updating post 1?

 

Something wicked this way comes. After about a week's worth of laborious toil with Brother @Prema and what seemed to be never-ending snags, it's almost time. And, it's an HIDevolution exclusive...

Side note: the malicious and despicable efforts of MSI to interfere with firmware mods is duly noted. I won't go into details, but will say, "Thank God for Prema Magic" and no wonder everything they sell with MSI branding is a BGA turdbook.

 

Looking better...

 

I'ma try to beat 11,000 mark but for now i can't get past this scores.
@Rage Set

7700HQ @ 3.4 GHZ
1060 6GB

Firestrike : http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12649943

 

Couple of new personal best scores with the 15-inch mini-monsterbook... thank you Brother @Prema

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12652176

Spoiler: Power & Temps

 

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12667590

 

Got to love the @Prema magic. At least for the time being, this is the #1 Time Spy score for single GTX 1080 Notebook GPU.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3554310_
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1777929

 

You're approaching 20,500!!! You're almost there. You're likely the only one who can do it.

 

If I can get the CPU to hold clocks long enough I definitely will. The MSI throttle cancer is strong, but so is @Prema. Right now I am lucky to get 5.0GHz to last through the 3DMark Physics test without dropping and killing the score. It needs to be able to hold 5.2GHz from start to finish in order to get there. The GPU is running like a Swiss watch though, so as soon as we get the CPU cancer cured completely it should essentially match the performance of single 1080 in the DM3.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12137762/fs/12667590

 

Wow....

I could only imagine if we had better fans in this thing.

 

Yup, that would be good. Maybe an extra heat pipe or two would also be good. The people that designed this machine probably never envisioned guys like us taking it to the limits like we do. I'd venture a guess MSI has never actually built or sold a notebook as potent as this before, at least in terms of CPU horsepower. Everything they have sold for the past few years is BGA filth, and before than only a few models available with a mobile Extreme CPU. Probably charting unfamiliar waters for them to even build a machine of this caliber. It's really too sad that they don't step up their game on their branded stuff. It's a shame to have a well built machine dragging a pathetic BGA CPU as a ball and chain.

 

YEAH, Exactly!! Mobile Extreme CPU + 780/880M and all too weak 180w psu with Battery Turbo Boost. A flawed MSI design!! The predecessor for AW's newest modern Hybrid tech. All know how this went.

 

I had forgotten about that. It makes me wonder if this idiotic "feature" is resident on the Tornado F5 and maybe this is causing the CPU to drop clocks... to conserve power and not overtax the battery if it contributes to the overall power demands of the system. Gosh, why do people that design laptops have to be so over-the-top retarded with their bright ideas like this? Just seeing that graphic again makes me mad.

I should see what happens if I totally remove the main battery and run only on AC power. It might be interesting to see if the behavior improves or worsens.

 

Tick tock, Clarice... Something for GT83VR TITAN SLI owners to aim for. HWBOT.org #15 global ranking for 2x GPU against desktops ain't too shabby.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12187645

Gotta love the watts... moar powa! Hopefully will be able to max out the 780W AC adapter once @Prema vBIOS magic kicks in.

 

Speaking of 3DMark 11... and back on topic for the brand at hand... something wicked this way comes.

Until someone beats it, here is a new #1 score for single GTX 1080 Notebook GPU.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3556968_

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12189174

Spoiler: Power Utilitzation

@Rage Set

 

@Rage Set - http://hwbot.org/submission/3556980_
Tornado F5 @Prema Magic in Time Spy

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1793791#

 

Almost there... @Rage Set - as soon as we can get the CPU to hold 5.1GHz or 5.2GHz under load without throttle we will clear that hurdle.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12693072


http://hwbot.org/submission/3556996_
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12693141


http://hwbot.org/submission/3556998_
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12693191

 

WTF! How in the f**k are you producing that kind of score with only 5.0?! You and @Prema have some kind of voodoo going on, hahaha. I mean, does everyone in the Clevo section realize they are getting their butts kicked by a smaller machine, with lesser cooling?

I think it is time for all of us OC'ers to step our game up. I know I have to! I may sell this machine and get a EVOC so I can have those EC's once Prema is finished working his magic.

Those are amazing scores bro.

 

Thank you. @Prema is what makes them amazing. I am just finding the right settings.

 

Yes, they are seeing the amazing scores. One thing nobody has seen yet is the fully unleashed Clevo beasts. There is still a lot going on silently behind the scenes. More will be revealed in time. The TF5 has an edge on the GPU, but it is only temporary and the playing field has not been leveled yet.

 

Master @Prema never rests.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12707929

 

Here's something fun to look at. Check the OSD numbers. @Donald@HIDevolution @D2 Ultima @Papusan @bloodhawk

Can hardly wait to see how awesome 1080 SLI is going to be with @Prema vBIOS. I think I will need every drop of power than 780W AC adapter can provide. I hope so.

 

Not half bad there for a 1080 model, which is supposed to be limited to 'just' 150W...

 

I hope the full extent of your magic will be available for the rest of us mere mortal plebians!

 

Hi guys,

it seems we're not playing in the same league haha, but anyway I pushed my 6820HK up a bit, and broke my personal Cinebench R15 score :



I am pretty amazed by the temperatures, 69°C @ 4.3 GHz ! (With Coolerboost).