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    MSI GT75 TITAN 8RG-094 Review by Ultra Male

    Discussion in 'MSI Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, May 2, 2018.

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    Clevo does not care about j00 or me or anyone else but their suppliers. That's why they have the same 15 inch keyboard in all their 17 inch taptops since 4 years
     
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    Yeah, same old P870DM-G from 2015 :eek: And I have not the need have to cripple it as this [​IMG]modern [​IMG]today's [​IMG]mess...
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    Guys im planning to buy msi gt75 titan 056, with 8870 processor and 1080gtx, so question for the gt75 owners, how are the stock temps during gaming for the cpu and gpu?
     
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    Very nice!
     
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    Why do you still use Speedstep and not speedshift? With HWP_EPP you can get rock stable clocks and more power.
    If you switch between 6700k,7700k and 8700k then speedstep acts as compatibility layer/feature otherwise speedshift and High perf power plan or Ultimate power plan does the trick.
     
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    Doesn't make a difference. Clocks is locked and run max all time.
     
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    Did you enable Speedshift in BIOS?
    Ahh Prema BIOS simplifies things. Too bad my(most) BGA needs disabling EIST and enabling HWP for best performance since stock BIOS pulls more power.
     
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    SpeedShift only works well for stock clocks with power management features enabled. It offers no value with overclocking and power management features disabled, which is how I operate my systems at all times.
     
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    Hmm. I don't know. Usually Speedshift is marketed for BGA. But practically it should work taking control of your CPU from OS p-state driver(damn slow to respond like AW fans) to HW-P_state driver.
    I refuse to give control of the CPU to OS like Win 10 rather its pretty obvious to devote that power to HW itself to better manage the speed/performance.
    Though on older CPUs w/o Speedshift I believe W10 manages the speed better like HWP.
    To stay OT, how much can Phoenix's new beast which is Silicon Lottery approved chip rated for 4.7GHz-5.1GHz actually hold up in benchmarks at those freq.?
     
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    I am speaking of BIOS power management features, not OS. I have all BIOS power management features disabled on my systems (laptop and desktop). Unless you have a desktop enthusiast board or a @Prema BIOS, those features are generally not going to be accessible on laptops. The retarded Nazis that make them have all of the useful features hidden and inaccessible. It must make them feel more powerful and important than they really are.

    @Phoenix got a new system with a Silicon Lottery desktop CPU? I didn't know that. What did he get? Did he sell the GT75?
     
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    Huh? do what now? no I still have my same taptop with a shiny SteelSeries Keyboard, he's me right now >>> [​IMG]
     
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    So you turn off C1E,EIST, HWP etc.. in BIOS w/o any negative effects like, 800MHz bug or clocks staying at stock freq. or artificial throttling or EDP limit etc....?
    The reason I enabled C1E, EIST in BIOS and disabled the same in TS while enabling HWP gave more responsive clock freq. and turbo boosting to max clock freq was pretty quick. Also saw a great increase in battery runtimes as well.
    Well, phoenix still uses BGA chip HK.
     
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    Yes, I disable c-states (all of them), disable RSR, ACPI, ASPM for DMI and all PCI-e ports, spread spectrum (for both BCLK and PCI-e), max out PMIC VCC and VDDQ, disable RTH, disable Energy Efficient P-state and Energy Efficient Turbo, max out all power limits. EIST is irrelevant as I have my CPUs locked in turbo state at all times. They are not allowed to run stock frequency even at idle. No need to boost to turbo frequency since they are always there, LOL. Battery run time is of no importance to me, as I almost never run my laptops disconnected from an AC power source. I only have a battery in the laptop to serve as a UPS. If I always had the laptop connected to my real UPS I would not even need a battery.

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    Honestly never even heard of most power saving tech. you mentioned aside from few.
    With w7 your temps should be lower, right? W10 has so much background activity these days. So these temps are from your Clevo or your desktop?
     
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    Without an unlocked BIOS you would never see any of those options, so it kind of makes sense that they are unfamiliar terms. There are no meaningful differences in temps between W7 or W10. I have a ton of crap disabled in W10 and only see about 4% memory utilization at idle because so many worthless services and processes have been disabled. Yes, that is my desktop. I haven't turned on my Clevo in 2 or 3 days, as I generally have no reason to use a laptop when I am at home and have access to my desktop.

    Out of respect to @Phoenix, I don't want to hijack this thread further, so I will just leave it at that. But, I did want to answer your questions.

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    But I have access to all the settings bro. I have an unlocked MSI BIOS ;)

    PS: MSI Disables Speed Shift by default
     
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    Hello guys. Im a total noob at the oc and every other setups :) so i am confused and now i would ask some stupid questions to you. Excuse me please.

    So first. C-states at bios. Should that option be off for maximum performance?

    Second. I thought gt75 8rg with i7 (like mine) should get 4.1-4.3 frequency without any overclocking. I have only 3.9. What should i fix? I have some options at BIOS called OC. Should i sue them? Or some software installed like intel extreme tuning utility? Where i did wrong?

    Third - i have two 8gb modules of ram with 2666 frequncy. If i put in another two modules the frequncy would be 2400 as i heard. Is it so bad? Whats better - 16 gb 2666 or 32 gb 2400?

    And there are no samsung M471A1K43CB1-CTD in my country for sale. Can i use

    M471A1K43CB1-CTD SO-DIMM 8Gb DDR4 2666MHz (installed in my laptop) with M471A1K43CB1-CRC SO-DIMM 8Gb DDR4 2400MH? So there would be 2 M471A1K43CB1-CTD and 2 M471A1K43CB1-CRC.


    Forth - What about msi Dragon Center GPU overclocking? Should i use it?

    Fifth. What is the best bios settings including oc settings for the maximum performance. Should i let it be as default or should i change something for the better good?

    If you need any information about my hardware or software setting just tell what i should screenshot to you.

    I'v attached hwinfo report by the way. And added the bios screenshots.

    Thank you very much guys, and sorry for bothering you!
     

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    How is fan noise on your laptop when gaming? Are the speakers good enough to play games out loud without the fans being a nuisance? Thanks!
     
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    Hi everyone I just bought the MSI GT75 8RG TITAN 094 what tweaks would you guys recommend when it arrives the specs are below.


    Custom Built MSI GT75 8RG TITAN-094 17.3" w/ G-Sync nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080
    Laser Engraving Combo Package - LCD Cover + Palm Rest + "Property Of:" on Bottom
    Game Bundle
    GT Battlepack, Lucky Edge of the Cup, Gaming Mousepad, Gaming Headset, Gaming Sticker
    LCD Panel
    17.3" FHD (1920*1080), 120Hz 3ms Wideview 94%NTSC Color Anti-Glare w/ G-Sync Technology
    Display Calibration
    Yes, display professionally calibrated w/ profile saved to USB drive
    Minimize LCD Backlight Bleed
    Yes, quality check and give me a panel with minimal backlight bleed.
    Video Card
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 w/ 8GB GDDR5X
    Processor
    Intel® 8th Generation Coffee Lake Core™ i9-8950HK 6 Core - 12 Thread Processor, 2.9 GHz (Max Turbo Frequency 4.8 GHz), 12MB Smart Cache Overclocked to 5.0 GHz
    Thermal Interface Materials
    Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU + GPU, and Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads on heat sensitive surfaces – BEST PERFORMANCE
    Bottom Service Panel Ventilation Mod
    Yes, modify the bottom panel
    Memory
    HIDevolution Approved Premium 32GB Dual Channel DDR4/2666MHz (2 x 16GB)
    M.2 PCIe RAID Options
    RAID 0 (Striping - Best Performance) - MSI Super RAID 4
    M.2 PCIe / SATA SSD RAID Configurations
    Samsung 970 EVO 2TB (2 x 1TB) M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe 3D-VNAND SSD - Up to 3,500 MB/s Read-2,500 MB/s Write
    M.2 PCIe Slot 3
    None
    2.5" HDD/SSD Bay
    1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s Hard Drive
    External Optical Drive
    External Bluray read/write DVDRWdrive
    Wireless Cards
    Killer™ Wireless-AC N1550 802.11 ac/a/g/n 2x2 NGFF w/ Bluetooth 5.0
    Operating System
    Genuine Windows® 10 Pro, 64bit, English
    Operating System Clean Install
    Yes, Clean Install of Windows 10 including 32GB Clean Install Flash Drive - $40.00
    Office Software
    None
    Power Adapter
    2x 230W AC Power Adapter + 1x Converter Box (supports 100-240V)
    Internal Battery
    Internal 8 cell (75Wh) battery
    Audio
    Dynaudio Tech Speakers 3W *2 + Subwoofer 5W *1
    Steelseries Keyboard
    SteelSeries per-Key RGB Mechanical KB with Anti-Ghost key
    Warranty and Service
    1 Year MSI +Limited Global Warranty w/ 1 Year USA Accidental Damage "No Oops" Protection (Registration within 30 days of Ship Date Required) + LIFETIME Technical Support
    Global Warranty
    None
    MSI Front Lid Logo Color
    Violet / Dark Purple
     
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    You should post this in buying thread.
    Once it arrives notify Phoenix using @ followed by username. Example @Vasudev
    He will optimise W10 and add other tweaks as well.
     
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    I need to make something clear here, this is NOT an entitlement, it is a privilege.
     
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    this is why i asked what tweaks are recommended any thoughts would be helpful
     
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    If you bought it from HIDevolution, most of the important tweaks (the IA loadlines) should already be applied for you.

    You can unlock your Bios to access the DRAM voltage setting if you really want to push your RAM by following the instructions in this thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-clear-cmos-and-prevent-common-issues.812372/ but I take NO responsibility if you mess something up. That's only for advanced users.
    OS tweaks can be found by just reading the proper section and doing your own. The program "Shutup 10" is an absolute *MUST* at the bare minimum.

    The iGPU is available for battery power gaming, but it is VERY difficult to enable and if you mess up and get a black screen, you need to do the clear CMOS by holding down the power button for 50 seconds. There is no risk trying to enable the iGPU (provided you already have access to the bios settings); just CMOS clear if you black screen while doing it.

    The iGPU settings are in the "System Agent" advanced bios menus and are hidden unless you unlock them. I am not going to help you with that. You do it at your own risk.
    No one here can confirm what the "DC loadline" uOhm setting does, in the Overclocking Performance Menu section. Might affect VID response only, but I don't have this laptop and cannot test it. You can permanently disable Intel Terminal Velocity Boost in the same section.

    Don't bother trying to run 2400 mhz RAM At 2666 mhz or 2666 mhz RAM at 2800 mhz if you have to increase (loosen) CAS latency timings. You gain lots of write speed but your ns (nanosecond) access times increase drastically; unless your AIDA64 scores truly benefit, it's not worth it. Someone tried that with their samsung 2400 mhz RAM in the GS65 section, running it at 2666 mhz @ 1.25v DDR voltage, but I really was not impressed by their timings. You gain a LOT more by trying to just tighten timings to 15/15/35 , with command rate 1T and tightening tRFC (to 270) and tREFI to 32767, and a small boost in DDR voltage (1.25v) rather than trying to run RAM at faster speed and looser timings.
     
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    Here are my temps after playing Need For Speed Payback for 1 hour:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
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    What about using notebook cooler will that help us?
     
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    Where’s my Hwinfo setup? And Cpu package power lacks :eek: Max Cpu temp won’t tell everything if it lacks :oops: And 797.5MHz is awful reading :rolleyes:
     
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    because your setup has all the wrong info bruh, it says coffee flake and has everything according to your taptop including the motherboard and taptop name :rolleyes:
     
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    I’m in Canary Islands now. But it’s easy fix it. Guide how to fix in your thread :eek: And much prettier and nicer setup.

    Edit. And you learned me call it COFFEE FLAKE :D But all good my good bruh!!!
     
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    Ok I will load your settings and rename everything back to original name :rolleyes:

    PS: Please catch me a canary bird and ship it to Dubai while you're at it :eek: :rolleyes:
     
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    I saw a very tiny Canary bird in my window yesterday :) Very small and tiny. Mind me about thin and flimsy but much prettier :D

    And rename is easy. + result is much prettier... POOPUSAN STYLE!!
     
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    I lost the settings, send them to me in a PM :oops:
     
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    I’m in Canary bruh. See in your - our PM. I can’t help more now :( :eek: And post how it looks if you find it.
     
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    I got it from a cloud backup :eek: :rolleyes:
     
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    Why are your clocks so low? I have never seen BGA BIOS allowing too low multiplier at 7.95 - 50.1. How did you do it?
    Even voltages are too high for a BGA using 46-48x?
    I see only 4 cores being utilised heavily. Any driver updates caused this?
    You got a gem of a GPU there. My OPtimus prime BGA idles at 20W and on max load 1.075V on stock and 1.1V whilst OC'ing just by 200/200MHz on core and memory and reaches 75C-80C on Timespy and superposition VR extreme.
    Google drive or One drive or DropBox?
     
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    Depends on what being stored :eek:
    You need to understand the difference between load vs. no load voltage. Depends on how you put settings.
     
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    AFAIK, it syncs only what you have chosen or ticked, Am I right Phoenix?
     
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    With a balanced power plan, 800Mhz should be normal while idling on the desktop.

    Regarding the high voltage, it's possible that it was just a spike. Also, it's possible that the displayed voltage is higher than the real voltage value at the die (if I properly understood what @Falkentyne explained many times regarding the way these msi laptops operate, because of LLC and IA AC DC loadline).

    In those linked pics, I see that all cores were properly utilized.

    The avr. values should paint a more accurate picture (IF the hwinfo values were mostly recorded under those gaming loads) and under that category, all cores have an avr. of ~4.2Ghz and about 61% avr. load that is relatively evenly distributed to all cores.
     
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    I misread Core # Thread # Usage graph. I counted it differently. Then again Core 4 and Core 5 were barely stressed in contrast to, core 0 and 1.
    Yeah I remember falk saying about IA AC/DC Loadline.
    With GFE installed 60% cpu usage is just good.
     
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    I don't see a significant core load difference under max or avr. values for those cores.

    If you're referring to the difference in TB clocks for core 0 and 3 vs the other cores, then this is due to how TB clocks work depending on core utilization.

    Mind you, do not try to correlate the max clocks with the max core loads values, since it's very likely that those clocks weren't maintained during those max core loads values (the values under max or min, are not linked with each other, those are just the max values that could have occured at different times under different circumstances).
     
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    flake90 Notebook Enthusiast

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    I'v noticed that my CPU multiplier downs from 51 to 49 constantly, so the clock of the CPU downs too. I cant reach stable 4.1, it gets around 3.9 or so. What should i fix, or is it normal?
     
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    @flake90

    You most likely have the 8750H CPU which can't be OC'ed (raising the multiplyer above the rated clocks, is overclocking). For that CPU, the max turbo boost clocks are 3.9Ghz when all the cores are used, you can only have 4.1Ghz if just one or two cores are used.
     
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    The 8750H is able to do this,

    1Core: 41x
    2Core: 41x
    3Core: 40x
    4Core: 40x
    5Core: 39x
    6Core: 39x
     
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