MSI GE63VR / GE73VR Raider Laptops

It's a long tragic story of drama and grief. No, this is the original ssd, don't ask me how I managed to mess it up. It started with a silly stupid small mistake that I could have easily fixed if I hadn't made it a whole lot worse by "fixing" it without engaging my brain. (Think cloning a clone..) It will boot fine off of either ssd but I would prefer to have the easy option of putting the original back in and restoring using the backup image. Not the end of the world if I can't, lots of alternatives.

The problem seems to be the partition sizes and layout are not precisely the same as factory default and therefore it wont restore the image. All I need is someone to paste their stock partition layout and I can fix it.

About the DELL, no I still have it. Actually I have 2 of them. It was such an awesome laptop, I bought a replacement before it fell apart.

 

sorry i cant help on that then. maybe someone else can chime in. is the dell a l502x by any chance? I just purchased one of those today, just so i could hear the proclaimed amazing speakers for myself.

 

Yup the L502x. Still hoping someone who has a stock GE63VR with a 256 ssd will take a couple of minutes to paste the partition layout.

 

Just an update on thermals. Played 30+ minutes of new FPS game Black Squad. Settings were set to high. Will attempt at later time on max.

Results were max CPU 64c max GPU 58c @ ambient room temp of 23.8c / 75 fahrenheit.

This is with an undervolt.

I am satisfied.

edit: Played 60 mins with Ultra graphics settings. Ambient temp 76.5 fahrenheit 24.7 celsius. This is with an undervolt on the CPU and GPU. CPU max 70c GPU max 64c.

 

Hey guys,

I'm getting around 55-65 fps on custom (high-ultra) settings on pubg with my gtx 1060 (6gb) MSI GE73vr raider,

I'm pleased with it but I was wondering what other msi GE73vr owners were getting with the same graphics card.

Wondering what a comparison would be as a result.

Cheers

 

What are your thermals?

Those numbers seem to be about average for the 1060/7700HQ combo.

PUBG is not very optimized so it can demand a lot from your system.

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nice, hows your thermal temperature on that GTX1060 version.?

 

Just bought MSI GE63VR 1070/7700HQ from HIDevolution (Donald has been exceptionally helpful!) and will be receiving it mid-October when my parents and sister come over to Vancouver.

Can't wait!

 

looks about right, similar to the results you'll see on other review sites
fps should increase as PUBG gets more optimization (it's still in beta after all)

 

The first week I had this laptop, I was getting 62 degrees max, now I'm getting around 68-72 degrees max when I'm playing games like pubg on my custom settings. (high/ultra)

I think the change of temperature is due to me changing house, where I'm in a room at around 22-25 degrees now and I used to be in a room temp that was around 18 degrees

I have not undervolted, I use a cooling pad which is more than enough for me.

Cheers

 

Look at the reply above, (only answered one guy as both questions were the same ^^ and this way you still get a notification I replied )

Cheers

 

thanks for the temperature report.

what cooling pad did u using? , do you mean @fliche? he's unit is GE63VR (GTX1070) is not the same, and he already using liquid metal on his thermal. thats why im asking when u mention your unit was GTX1060.

 

I replied jrwingate6 and you (fayth) in the same message , I'm using a cooler master notepal U3 plus.

Cheers.

 

I have the same cooling pad - will compare my temps with yours once I get my laptop mid-October

Although mine is a GE63VR with 1070 so I suspect my temps will be higher than yours

p.s. But I'm also getting liquid metal thermal paste work done by HID so that will play a part too - either way, should be an interesting find

 

Another good review.




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How to undervolt the GPU? Afterburner has the powerlimit slider disabled.

 

Did you ever get an answer for this? I've been looking all over the web for the exact same information, but cannot find it. I think it's safe to assume it's an AUO panel, but I would like to know the exact model number to do some extra research on it. If anyone could help with that, along with whether or not it's 30/40eDP, I'd appreciate it.

 

Thought I would check out MSI Silent Fan option which I used on previous MSI systems since I did not want Dragon Center or Afterburner. It's only function was to allow for fan control.... slower if the fan was too noisy (at the risk of running hotter) or faster fan speed at lower temperatures if you want to keep ahead of the heat (at the risk of more noise sooner).

Even though it indicated handling cpu's up to Skylake it seems to be working on this 7 series CPU. Like anything modifying what the bios is programed to handle ..... care should be taken if slowing fans down but if a little more noise is acceptable you can stay a little ahead of the heat rather than reacting to it.

You can find it here: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=255972.0

I have always used this on previous systems and hope to find it continues to work on this one. Just another alternate option to use with undervolting to keep things cool.

edit: Make sure you have SCM installed too, or Silent Option may not work.

 

In the Dave2D review of the 15" MSI GE63 Raider he does mention the speakers are just normal. Nothing great.

I am back to weighing the desktop versus laptop argument. I am worried that the Raider only has DisplayPort 1.2 and the reason for this is that I would buy a laptop versus, lets's say, the Corsair One if I could hook up the monitor I want to buy: The Acer X35.... The new Acer Predator X35 features a curved 35-inch display, running at WQHD (3440 x 1440) resolution. Acer has managed to add both HDR and a high 200Hz refresh rate.... fast 4 ms response time paired with Nvidia G-Sync. I would be happy to pay $2600 for a laptop that could drive this monitor. Sit at my desk when I want. Take it with me when I want...

Sorry. I am not adding much other than my crazy thoughts.

EVGA SC17 has DisplayPort 1.4... " HDMI 2.0b and mini DisplayPort 1.4 (x2) outputs"

http://www.pcgamer.com/evgas-sc17-gaming-laptop-pairs-a-4k-g-sync-display-with-gtx-1080-for-3000/

That can drive this monitor. So can the Corsair One of course.

Sorry. I am insane. I admit it.

 

I didn't get a response. I was hoping to. But the DisplayPort 1.2 thing might be a killer for me anyway.

 

I was mostly looking for the panel info to use it in another laptop. I am working on modding the Clevo W650KK1, and I'd like to add a 120hz panel to it. Sadly, most of the 120hz panels have either extremely slow response times, or color banding issues. This 120hz 3ms panel seems to be well-received, but very little information exists on it.

 

It is the same as all MSI 17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) 120Hz screens.

Chi Mei N173HHE-G32-

Rev 2 is 5ms, Rev 3 is 3ms

 

As always, you seem to have all the information that I need. Thank you kindly for this!

 

Dave2D review is out
and to note things, the GE63VR uses TN panel, but TN has less input lag than IPS.
it is said that the panel has 100% sRGB and 89% AdobeRGB, so that's appealing.

 

Those who want to see the review can go back to post #565 in this thread.

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Is there a way to have my ge73vr run 2666MHz DDR4 RAM? Intel's page says the 7700HQ only supports up to 2400MHz DDR4 RAM, but isn't it also dependent on the motherboard? Any tips? I've tried searching online with difficulty on how I might do this.

 

Probably the only way to do that is by requesting Svet for an unlocked Bios, but don't quote me on that...

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Contact GenTech tech support for help with this. @Kevin@GenTechPC

 

I understand why you were disappointed with msi audio now. l502x has phenominal sound. best ive ever heard from any laptop or tv or even standard computer speakers. its quite shocking how good it is.

it can, yes, but only if bios doesn't have it locked down to 2400 as a limit. If bios has it locked, you can contact svet of msi forum for a mod bios, to get it to work. but yeah it will run it...

 

How to check for the Rev 2 or Rev 3 thingy?

 

The 15" model has the newer revision with the 3ms screen. I think all the 17" models still use the already existing 120Hz panel which is Rev 2.

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Yes the power limit is locked. There are ways to unlock it but not worth the effort as there is little to gain. You want to change the voltage/frequency curve so the card reaches max frequency at a lower voltage and stays there. There are a number youtube videos explaining it. Here is one that may help you:



Just like undervolting the CPU it is a testing process to try and find where your card will work the best. Since our system can use Intel graphics or nVidia depending on the application I believe you need to go to the "Profiles" tab and specify the profile to use for 3d programs. You could also manually load it when you run the game. Hope this helps.

 

How exactly do you unlock voltage on a pascal laptop (in this case 1070 mxm)

I tried "step 3" (well steps 1 and 2 also) in this video:



and got the voltage slider unlocked to 0-100 but it doesn't change anything...

 

Another video I have seen indicated 100 is the most you can do and that is increase voltage only.

 

In an effort to assist those that are considering undervolting their CPU and GPU here is what worked for me.

There are a number of ways to do this with different software. Every new system reacts differently based on the installed components.

This is not a step by step post. It may seem like a lot of extra programs to do something that one large program may be able to do .... this is a personal preference to be able to grab the latest update of small footprint software rather than waiting for a large combined software to be provided.
Please feel free to correct or making suggestions.

There is nothing wrong with with doing nothing but if you want the best performance with the least heat and power usage give it a try.

Goal:
Reduce heat and power use while maintaining performance and possibly extending end of life of your new system.

Software Used:
CPU undervolt - Throttlestop - https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

GPU undervolt - MSI Afterburner - http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/msi-afterburner-beta-download.html

Fan control - SilentOption - https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=255972.0

Monitor GPU - GPU Z - http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/gpu-z-download-techpowerup.html

Instructions and videos (please thank/like original creator):

CPU undervolt - https://www.notebookcheck.net/How-t...ife-The-ThrottleStop-Guide-2017.213140.0.html

GPU undervolt -

Fans Silent Option - https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=255972.0

Miscellaneous thoughts:

• Make sure to create a restore point and/or a back-up of your system if you are new to this. Stuff happens and being able to recover is important.

• At the very least use Silent Option fan control. It is much easier and quieter to keep things cool than get them cool after they are hot. You will want the Skylake version of the program. Yes we have Kaby Lake but it will still work.

• Intel Extreme Tuning Utility can also be used for CPU undervolt.

• We have a system that combines the use of Intel Graphics and nVidia. Make sure your game is using the nVidia card by checking it in the nVidia control panel. Major titles are covered but you may have to browse to add an .exe of a lesser known title.

• Because of the combined graphics make sure the profile you create in Afterburner is listed under the “Profiles” tab for 3D programs.

• Here is a video to optimize Windows 10 that may offer some ideas for minimizing Windows software impact on your games -

That is it for now. Will edit as I think of things or please add to this with your input.

 

Yes but a very experienced modder said that voltage modding does not work on laptop (MXM) pascal (even if the slider is unlocked), without modding the vbios itself, and there is no known mod that allows voltage adjustment. So the unlocked slider just does nothing.

 

Got my first problem with my new raider laptop, the keyboard. After using for a few days i found the backspace was squeaking when i pressed it. I ignored it at first but after that the spacebar started squeaking, i couldnt take it anymore so i pried and peek, then adjusted it which finnaly solved it, whew. Anyone else having this issue? Its usually the bigger keys.

 

How does a chiclet type keyboard squeak anyway? They aren't even mechanical. Was it the key or the actual keyboard housing?

 

It had something to do with the metal clamp returner thingy, i just kinda pull it down away from the key then fixed it in position again by pressing it down hard then the squeaking got fixed. The smaller keys without the metal returner doesn't squeak at all.

 

PSA: for anyone wanting to use the USB 3.1 type C port for a new hub that has completed a reinstall of windows.

I found it to be a convoluted mess trying to determine the correct USB type-C hub to get. You have USB3.1 type-C hubs that are just called type-C. You also have type-C hubs for Thunderbolt which this system does not have. On top of that most of them push the connectivity use of connecting your Apple or Chromebook devices with a multitude of connection options I will never use. They sure are not making it easy.

I purchased a new Belkin power USB 4 port 3.0 hub to better utilize the systems available USB 3.1 type C port. I had previously completed a clean install of Windows 10 Pro. The hub appeared not to work.

https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-I...2921&sr=8-2&keywords=Belkin+certified+USB+hub

Working through the issue I could see the high speed hub added to device manger but through trial and error discovered only USB 3.0 devices would work. USB 2.0 device were dead except for a brief flash when rebooting. It was then I realized Windows had placed their version of the following entries under Universal Serial Bus Controllers:

ASMedia USB3.1 eXtensible Host Controller - 1.0 (Microsoft)

Intel(R) USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller - 1.0 (Microsoft)

For the Intel USB 3.0 the windows version works since Intel no longer develops a driver for this. The problem for me was with the Microsoft version of the ASMedia USB3.1 driver.

Looking at MSI Support site for the GE73VR I did not see a replacement driver. Googling it brought up the following site:

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z170A-GAMING-PRO-CARBON.html#down-driver&Win10 64

Though this is for a different systems mother board it was just what I needed. After a restart the new USB hub could read not only USB 3.0 devices but also USB 2.0. I have since found the following site which has the more current ASMedia USB3.1 drivers and will test them:

https://www.tenforums.com/drivers-hardware/86527-latest-asmedia-usb-xhci-root-hub-drivers.html

I may have caused my own problem with the OS reinstall but wanted to document a solution in case others run into issues using the systems USB3.1 port.

 

Was all this related specifically to using a port-hub for the USB Type-C 3.1 port? What about if I just use a single device for the port, will I face any issues getting 3.1 speeds?

 

Need help deciding on whether to buy this laptop or not and what other laptops i should be considering. I was all set on pushing the purchase button until I stumbled upon this thread which linked to the dave2d review. I actually subscribe to his channel and didn't realize the video was about the ge63vr! Really needs to put it in the title and tags.

Anyway, the biggest reason I wanted this was because it was relatively thin and light for a gtx 1070 laptop while having good speakers and possibly a good tn panel. Then i saw the review and vomited at the viewing angles when he tilted it up slightly and everything inverted so quickly. The oversaturated reds were also aggravating. After that he told me the speakers suck! I was so pumped for the GIANT speakers. Is he wrong here? Third blow was battery life. Didn't expect much but worse than a gsync asus??

Now I'm stuck debating on my next step. The main things I'm looking for is a gtx 1070, good speakers, a good screen, in a relatively portable package, in a 15".

Option one. Assuming he is wrong about the speakers, I can attempt to replace the screen which doesn't look too hard to do.

Option two. Get the GE62MVR. The screen looks pretty good, but I can't find any information on the speakers. Most MSI laptops have a 4 speaker plus one woofer setup. However, they are not created equal. The gs73vr, which i owned previously, sounded like absolute garbage. The PE70 on the other hand which i also had, basically a silver version of the GE72, had pretty good speakers, enough to be satisfying. I don't know about the ge62mvr. The front design where the speakers are located are more tapered and different than the regular ge62, so it might have different (smaller) speakers. And of course i dont know if the ge62 and ge72 have identical speakers or not, since i am using the pe70 i owned as a reference for the ge72. Are you confused yet??

Option three. Get an asus gl502vs, which i think looks fat and ugly. Heard bad things about the cooling as well. Or some other brand.

 

Well, he is actually dead wrong about the speakers. Maybe he doesn't know how to set them up correctly, I don't know. I expect other owners will chime in on that score.

As for the screen, many, many users in this thread and others have often commented about how much they like the screen. I would strongly recommend not taking one reviewer's video to heart. I would also recommend not making any plans to change the screen out until you actually see it for yourself. It is fast, and buttery smooth. Of course vertical viewing angles have never been the strong point for TN screens, these are much better than the TN screens of old, and the horizontal viewing angles are actually very good. For your particular use, are vertical or horizontal viewing angles more important?

 

Don’t rush. Wait for the Asus to release GL503/703VM. By that time new, cheaper GE SKU’s will show up. Also, D2D’s videos are so lighthearted at times. He is not one of those hardcore reviewers, so don’t jump to the conclusions based on what he said.

 

I wouldn't buy a GE series, until MSI adds G-Sync. They are the only gaming laptops at this price point that lack it, and that's a big deal.

 

I don't know when asus is going to release their new stuff. They keep on dropping the ball with release dates. Ux550 still unavailable. The gl503/703 is out but with a paltry gtx 1050.

I don't care about gsync. Rather have better battery.

I mentioned above that i owned the gs73vr before which has a tn panel and i hated it. It's the same one on the ge73vr. You don't need to see something first hand when it comes to viewing angles. The ge63vr tn panel in the video literally goes to **** with the slightest vertical change. It's no where near as good as the 17" tn and i didn't like that one either.

 

Quick answer is I am not sure.

Since I was using the port for the first time after completing a clean install of Windows 10 Pro ..... I do not have a basis to say if things would work fine on a factory fresh system.

I do believe you would get the speeds a device is capable of if it was a USB 3.0 (blue connector) device. As I mentioned USB 3.0 for Intel chipsets rely on the Windows driver. Unless the device needs to have a custom driver that would be mention in the install instructions you should be fine.

Where I had an issue was with USB 2.0 devices plugged into the hub.

With the Windows MSMedia USB 3.1 drivers from the OS reinstall I did not have backward compatibility with USB 2.0 devices. If it was just this specific hub or Windows MSMedia USB 3.1 drivers dated from 2016 I am not sure. Once I installed the updated drivers everything worked.

I do find it odd that the system has the port but there are no ASMedia drivers in the MSI support page. This could make one think that it could be hub specific.

I believe you will be fine either way. I assume you will need an adapter .... unless you already have a type-C device. If it is USB 3.0 you will be good and if it is not or there is an issue with USB 2.0 devices you now have links to save from losing sleep trying to trouble shoot.

 

I like the speakers, a little louder than what I've owned in the past, and pretty good quality. I did adjust the sound profile in the Nahimic app. Screen is nice, I got used to the slightly below average brightness. 120Hz refresh rate is awesome, I cannot go back to 60Hz anymore. If you really wanted to, maybe you could find someone in this thread or on the MSILaptops subreddit that you can buy lunch and look at their GE63/73VR for an hour.

 

While my region's stores only recently announced GE63VR (gtx1070),
and I'm still waiting for GE73VR (gtx1060).....

It appears that, due to the price drop over time,
GT72VR 7RE Dominator Pro (1070 ver., 120Hz Panel) is currently the same price as GE63VR (1070)!
In that case, even if the resellers remember to import GE73VR (1060) later,
its price point would be very close to GT72VR 7RD Dominator, if not the same.
How should I choose if it really happens?

My personal guess on some factors:
Panel: GE73 has better color coverage (In YouTube, one shows 86.6%, another 89% > GT72VR's 75% AdobeRGB)
Network: same (Killer Wireless-n/a/ac 1435)
Storage: same (in my region, both use NVMe)
Thermals: Not sure.....should an old GT beats new GE? Does it matter when it's just 1060?

 

Having used my GE63VR for less than 24 hours before having to return it for a defected screen (Blue vertical line of dead pixels), I can chime in and give a quick opinion:

1- I'm not sure whether my eyes didn't like it, but the screen felt average to me, slightly too washed out for my liking (But hey, it developed a dead batch of pixels since day 1, my replacement will arrive in 2 days, I'm definitely hoping it looks better). I've literally had to keep switching between True Color profiles back and forth and then decide which looks best for me (It was probably the designer profile). It is however extremely smooth and quick even when surfing. Yay!

2- The speakers are MAGNIFICENT, provided you use Nahimic or Dolby (Mine came with a Dolby driver, surprise surprise) to tweak the sound. They are loud, clear and crisp. I can't really thouroughly describe it but it is MILES ahead my old laptop.



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