*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

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Sorry, I meant processes, not programs. In other words, if you open task manager and go the processes tab, what is there?

 

Windows / driver stuff
Everything else I manually closed

 

My GPU is running at around 90c at load, this isnt normal right?

Gonna play a match of BF1 and see.

 

Definitely not. You should be getting between 70-80 C under full load.

 

Do you have MSI Dragon center installed? I recall that program messes with CPU utilization at idle.

 

I am having the same issues. I am switching from windows 10 to 8.1. My gpu crashes when playing games. I sent Eurocom a message over email and they have ignored it.

 

I am asking @woodzstack about the temperature issue though. it is very strange.

 

I've already had to return a GTX 1070 based notebook (MSI Card) because of crashes caused when gaming which used more vRAM than benching. The problem was consistent when using over ~4GB vRAM. MSI has not acknowledged the issue in the MXM cards, you can read through forums where users complained of strange behaviors.

 

OK my issue is that, at 99% load, I cant even hold the base clock of 1408mhz. This is very ridiculous and not acceptable.

At this rate, I have a bloody 980.

 

Do you have your windows power settings set to 'performance'? That will cause your cpu frequency to sit at it's maximum regardless of load

 

Isn't this explained by the overheating since you are hitting 90C? As the GPU temperature goes up, the frequency goes down. A repaste might solve these issues. What fan curve are you using?

This is my first time hearing of this issue... do you have a link to the discussion about MSI cards crashing under high VRAM usage?

 

Yes i do, so are my temps normal for such high frequency?

 

Hi guys, does the i7 7700(k) versions use the z170 or z270 mb? And what would be the difference?

 

Currently the Z170, they're rumours about a Z270 mb on the way, different is not yet known but shouldn't be significant.

 

lol... like SUPRISE you got a 980M instead, aren't you lucky !

Naw we already been fixing this. the heatsinks on these laptops do not make great contact, they leave like 0.5mm or more. Some make contact some do not. so, liquid thermal paste sometimes works sometimes almost works and sometimes - doesn't touch at all. This is a bit of an issue, because that also means if you use gelid Extreme or TX-$ from Tuniq and apply it the way ti works best, it might still not make proper contact.

So while you have 75-90C idle temps from Eurocom's way of pasting sometimes, you might not even be able to fix it easily without some effort and a few attempts. I've had this issue about 4 times now, where one of the heatsink or both do not make proper contact, even when bolted on as best as possible. It's not about being level, it's literally like, screwing in the CPU heatsink and it doesn't touch the CPU.

So, for for the tenth time, I warn people to do a full inspection when they get these laptops. I think we've begun painting a picture why MSI is not selling them. It would be a customer service nightmare. They would probably recall these.

 

same motherboard. It's is the 170 chipset.

 

whats the issue, maybe I can help you.

 

Ok, hopefully not to much of a difference then. I'm done waiting and realy need a laptop.

 

yeah one of the easiest ways of discovering what it was, without removing parts, was that when fans were full speed or not, it made no differences on temperatures.
The contact being made between heatsinks and die for his GPU was not enough. Would work fine the way it came stock albeit not great temps. So if you repaste, try to make it as thin as possible, and if it doesn't make good contact, you will have top try something thicker. I've seen/noticed about 1mm difference between some heatsinks, they are not universally very even/or the same. This is probably an issue with QA from MSI when manufacturing these heatsinks, or they skipped steps and made them as cheap as they could. Just another reason why MSI is not selling these themself, if I had to guess.

 

THIS ^^^ Is what I expected was the problem.

 

Well temps fixed, apparently. Now to address all the other issues. his CPU though like is perfect, he got lucky there, the heatsink makes proper contact when using LM

 

What a diabolical find! Manufacturing tolerances sound really shoddy, should be better than that really.

 

yeah, repaste fixed the heating issue.

 

You guys are scaring me with crashing laptops while gaming. When quality control is good and the laptop was build by a specialist, then it will be stabile i hope? I realy want stability. For example: my former alienware 14 bga, which was not quit fast enough for the Witcher 3, did play that whole game till the end without crashing once. Just had to play somewere around 720 p and no ultra setting.. Same story with Fallout 4, low settings but no crashing. Games like StarCraft 2 were no probleem on ultra 1080p.

I need the same stability as that Alienware but now on 1080p everthing max out 60 fps stabile.

 

I noticed that Eurocom is shipping the Tornado F5 with gtx 1080 starting today. I thought @woodzstack mention that this is a new mobo and a different socket - but the Eurocomm site states MXM 3.0

So I'm confused... what is different if you order today a Tornado F5 with a 1070 vs a Tornado F5 with a 1080 besides having a different GPU?

 

What is your Prime95 AVX load temps looking like post de-lid CLU? (Forgive me if you've posted these after this point of time, I haven't caught up in the thread yet).

 

Yep that's your high idle issue.. You would need to run Balanced to allow the CPU to idle down .. Mine idles in the mid 40s on Performance mode.. and then I sit in the low to mid 30s on Balanced mode (depending on how cold it is in the room).

 

The motherboard is different from the non-1080 GTX version.. The mounting posts for the 1080 are different AND the location of the GPU die is in a completely different location as well, so the heatsink for the GPU side is also different.

 

I must have repasted my F5 (I am De-Lidded) about 5 times so far.. between CLP, CLU, and Kryonaut.. Every time temps were within the same 1-2c difference so I'm not exactly sure what's going on, I settled back on doing CLU and to ensure proper coverage, I covered the CPU IHS and the bottom of the heatsink just in case there wasn't enough coverage/pressure. I had to give up trying to get better temps, my maximum under Prime95 AVX with auto-fans will still hit 95c or so after 10 minutes so I may still have a less than stellar gap on my heatsink to the CPU at least on my unit.. Especially when i'm seeing folks with no de-lid getting better load temps than I am.

 

But with these changes they have not changed the chipset from Z170 to Z270? Interesting decision.

Are the GPU performance number reported a few pages back using the 1070 mobo with a 1080 MXM upgrade or are they using the new mobo? That is I wonder if there are MXM 1080s out there that fit in the 1070 MXM socket.

 

No it's still Z170.. And currently there are no 1080s that have the same design as the 1060/1070 used in the non-1080 F5. I'm not sure Z270 is even something you'd ever utilize in a non-SLI laptop which is a factor on why it's not Z270.. You only get 4 extra PCI lanes on the Z270 and Intel Optane tech which nobody seems to care about.

 

Would you happen to have a link to this? I've been having issues with mine and had to send mine back twice as well as replacing the 1070 card 3x trying to figure it out.

Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk

 

As for the MXM socket, what confused me is that the Clevo P775DM3-G can be configured with a GTX 1060, 1070 or 1080. So I thought maybe these were "pin compatible". But the other Clevo's don't have this flexibility so maybe it is a one-off.

Okay I did not realize that about the Z270 chipset, thanks!

I did notice that HIDevolution is accepting pre-orders for the Z270 Kaby Lake P870KM1 which can take two GTX 1080's running in SLI =P

Under 2" thick as well - that is pretty impressive.

The 780 watt power adapter warps my mind. I'm almost ready for that 1 kilowatt power brick in my backpack =D

 

Well I'm not sure how much it will affect the temps but there's not really any advantage to sitting at max frequency the whole time so switch to balanced and see what happens. You should end up idling around 900 mHz, mine varies between around 25 and 40 degrees at idle with auto fans ( that's with a 6700K)

 

I thought I read the vram issue was cards that were first released using micron memory only. Cards with samsung memory seemed ok.

Overclocking, screen flickers and some hard gaming errors. And of course this is not a MSI specific issue.

I thought a solution was bumping the memory voltage but it requires bios updates to do it. I would assume that is what MSI
may be working on.

 

Most likely a vocal minority effect... Only a few of us here are having issues. The other hundreds of owners have nothing to complain about.

 

You will find scary stories for every laptop out there. Become informed enough to filter these out. I went through the same thing with my P650.

I would recommend working with a builder who has a good track record and can offer individual support. HIDevolution was this for me. They did an excellent pasting job on my (admittedly BGA) laptop and I have not seen temp issues others reported. Poor pasting jobs do scare me and I do not trust myself with liquid metal =O

I think HID will offer the 16L13 in some form and I may trade up if I can.

 

Surprise! @Papusan



18,950 Overall Score: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11378158

18,981 Overall Score: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11378138

EDIT: For those wondering if it is stable, I'll show you very soon. Short answer, it is! I think I lucked out in the SL.

Disclaimer: These scores are a result of OC'ing with cold ambient temps. Your results may not be similar.

 

This is why I recommend getting this laptop from the smaller guys who can give you thier time, the ones who appreciate you the most. They will earn your business, whereas a larger corporation, has to cut costs in order for the higher ups to make more profits. Or get some sort of guarantee / promise of service, you know dot the "I's" and cross the "T's" so to speak.

 

1080N.. still using Z170 chipset.

You will notice they move the components around and filled in one of the pegs.

I only deliberately only showing 99% of the card, because it has no water mark.

This is MSI engineering MADE to specifically not be upgradeable. That little Tab on the top right - MSI puts a tab in the chassis too, to stop the card from being used unless you paid the extra premium too.

Had a guy call MSI, asked if the 1070 for instance would work in a GT83VR , they said no. But apparently it works, without issue. Like who do you trust, MSI customer service or like SVET from MSI forums ?

 

sounds like a G-sync/nvidia experience issue.

 

Didn't you say your using a bios that I quote you will not share with anyone, because of NDA (where there is no signed NDA..) , and are in subzero temperature/atmosphere ? (your stated your garage was like -20C or soemthing very cold. We see it because running full load your below room temperature)

I saw two of your Youtube video's both are misleading. I'm not sure if your attempting to troll people, or trying to be provocative, or tease people. What is your intention, just sharing the information while advertising the gains but hiding the negatives or the context ?

It's just starting to annoy me, because 3 people have already mentioned you, and things had to be clarified. One of them, in person !

 

On a side note, anyone think this looks "MSI" high quality- like ?

 

Wait, I never stated I was using bios that were NDA. I said I was using NDA hardware and at one point, I was. Since that post, I have removed that hardware from my machine so I could display my OC's publicly, to negate ANY and ALL doubt that I am trolling. The Tornado F5 I have is the same one that any person that are reviewing my results can buy from Eurocom.

Like the guys/gals in the Clevo section, I am showing what this hardware is truly capable of with the right set of circumstances. Eurocom hit a homerun with this version of the F5 and I am very happy to show it. In no way do I imply that my results are typical. Obviously, I live in a place that has great ambient temps to OC in. Does that mean someone living in a hot climate can reproduce my results? Common sense will say, no.

As for advertising, I'm not the one that has entire posts advertising my services like you are. So with that said, I will now add you to my ignore list and you can do the same to me. Good day to you!

 

@Rage Set I gotta say that I somehow agree with @woodzstack

You're showing your result in an environnement that just doesn't make sense.
It's -20c outside I'm sure I could run prime95 @ 20c but that's not the reality.
Try running at normal room temps (20-25c) with max fan @ idle for 10 minutes so we can see the true result.

I was totally pissed off when I saw my 40-50C @ room temp after delid yesterday but than i remembered your result was done under "extreme circumstances"

Also, try running a game that require massive CPU/GPU like H1Z1:KOTK at rooms temps and adjust your core setting / GPU overclock so we can have some idea what the real figure are under non "extreme OC" (that won't crash you)

Performance that will actually works for the mean of this notebook

 

This has exceeded all boot shafts... @Rage Set only showed what this machine is capable of. Take it more easy brothers-sisters. Everybody should be happy about this

 

If someone uses a portable AC unit to cool their computer, to increase their ability to OC, is that reality? Should OC'ers stop using cooling pads? What about TIM's like LM, people should stop using those, because of the 'risk'? I am sitting in my garage in Winter conditions, OC'ing to get the best score I can get. Can I run these OC's in the middle of the summer? No.

What it boils down to is that I am a seasoned DT overclocker and I know the risks. When Mr. Fox is unleashed on this very same DTR, he's going to use some very clever tricks and his immense OC knowledge to showcase what this monster is capable of. Am I going to be pissed when he blows my scores out of the water? No, I'm going to cheer him on and try to learn from him.

EDIT: I am going to end this on this point. I think some of you are used to BGA and its limitations. Welcome to the world of socketed hardware and the amazing advantages it has. When I post my review, I am going to go over "normal" usages and "extreme" usage. This is a killer machine and I hope more people buy it!

 

I just have a hard time understanding what there is to learn about when it's done under those circumstances ...
if I OC mine to 5.4 @ -40c outside temp is it an feat of achievement?

Sorry, i am new to these forum but I would expect people to show me what they can do under circumstances 99,9% of the user will use.
Not the 00,1% will ...at least that what I would expect from a non "OC competition" topic

 

Yes, I and a lot of other OC'ers would consider that a feat. I think you should head over to the Clevo Overclocker's Lounge and just read/see what these guys are doing to maximize their scores. If you have read through this thread, you will see many examples of "normal" use cases. I am giving you examples of "extreme" use cases.