*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Maybe use TS and let it start up when you login to windows. + TS use less processor cycles than XTU. A win win

 

@Talon, @Papusan @Diversion - can check this screen and ttell what can be wrong? its at idle but clocks maxing for no reason. also i cannot improve the score no matter the clocks.

 

cinebench r15

edit: Wprime 1024

 

I think that is just how XTU works now. If you have an unlocked BIOS, it will stick. But if you don't you will need to launch it everytime. When I had my Eurocom M5 Pro, I had to place XTU in the Windows startup folder so it would launch everytime I booted up.

An unlocked BIOS in the Christmas update would be nice. However, the long-term limiting factor will be the GPU in this notebook. A slight increase in the TDP/Power cap would do wonders.

 

These pictures are not very helpful... Show us your settings in XTU. Which vendor did you purchase from? I remember a while back there was a bug where MSI Dragon Center prevents the CPU from idling.

 

All your Benchmark scores are too low. Use high-performance, and no self-composed or balanced performance in Windows power plan. Do not have unnecessary apps / processes in the background. Only Hwinfo64 for monitoring. If possible... Increase all power limits that you have access to. What you should expect from stock 6700K http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-Desktop-6700K-Notebook-Processor.161333.0.html
Ps. Test also without undervoltage.

 

its on high performance mode. with 0 apps and 1% utilizzation clocks are at 4ghz i dont know why. i dont have access to physical laptop but charger plugged in. the weird thing is in every test clock never throtle to even 100 mhz less its at 3.99ghz about 99.9% of time but still less score.

 

its from Eurocom, no MSI dragon is installed, i did install riva steelseries tho not sure why.

edit: check screen plz. its stock everything no undervolt.

 

We need see the cpu package power used. Put up Hwinfo64 like the pict

Spoiler: HWINFO64

 

ok something off here, cpu package max is 64watt for some odd reason

 

Remember enable Turbo boost short power max and increase the limit. Also increase Turbo boost power max limit. If it is possible in the Bios or XTU. Maybe try TS. Increase all power related limits

 

the problem is as soon as i enable turbo boast short max it make processor stuck at .8ghz no matter the load.

edit: isnt 4ghz support to pull 95watt? mine doesnt seems to making more thn 75 even after max turbo boast to 120watt in xtu

 

Why is there flickering!?

Nvr mind I turned off gsync and that also brought my fps up from 30? Lol why was it there if the screen is 60hz

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I do not know if there are limitations in the bios you use. OEM's love to cripple the power Maybe maximum currents ("Processor Core IccMax") is set too low. Same as other power related limits. Download and consider learning to use TS. There are videos on the use of TS in ThrottleStop guide / Youtube.

 

oh ok thanks i have max all limits in xtu also tried TS, cinebench cpu is at 850 now. while xtu is still same score of 830-850

 

Great.
I expect you have put your ram correct for dual performance. Maybe check your ram because for ok XTU bench score is ram important. You can as well test XTU bench with stock voltage or lower your undervoltage and see if this can correct your score.

 

ok, well that may be culprit since i have for now only 1 ram stick so dual is not possible for now. also just check in xtu it seems turbo boast is disable since i have no access to bios for now. also is it ok that my cpu not pulling more thn 60-70 watt in power package?. and thanks for you help and replies !

 

You're welcome

 

so did 4.4ghz and cinebecnh is over 900 so is temp lol 95c max but volts were stock. at stock speed wprime never exceeds 80c

 

what drivers are u using? im on 375, and got no issues with g-sync every game i played is 60fps locked didnt have any flickering etc.

 

Putting together a list for January. New toolset, screws, thermal paste, and thermal pads. Which thickness should I use 1.0 or 1.5 for the thermal pads?

 

How about max 48C degrees on my [email protected] and still over 1000cb in Cinebench R15

 

Seems I found a sure fire way to fix overheating of the M2s! My second set of heatsinks were slightly shorter and actually fit under the lid! I also picked up some high quality copper tape and copper-foiled the underside of the lid where the m2's are. Seems my temperatures are now 18-20c COLDER than even when the bottom lid was REMOVED.. That's quite a feat.. the hot Samsung PM951 is now idling at 54-56c and only seems to get up to 71c under 3 passes on ATTO... that's an extreme amount of load that nobody would ever actually stress. And before with thermal pads + copper shims it would IDLE at 75c (already at the throttle point). The best part is that the M2s finally cool off pretty quickly insteading of heatsoaking themselves. I didn't even turn on my cooler pad's fans, it's no longer needed to keep the M2s under control.




One of the heatsinks actually touches the bottom of the lid (where the foot is) but that's probably a good thing as that will allow the copper tape to now help dissipate some heat.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cussions-lounge.797128/page-130#post-10406249 Nice

 

Yep, seems to work lol.. Good stuff thanks again. I could probably improve things further but as long as i'm idling much better than before is good enough!

 

And some live in their own bubble surrounded by BGA
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...nware-17-r4-15-r3.797653/page-5#post-10408676

 

And here we are with smaller systems than most BGA systems.. Hmmm.

 

Hey, is there any way to get temps of M.2s in a RAID?

@Diversion Where did you buy the M.2 heatsinks?

 

No I was initially in raid mode and it seems you can't get the temps no matter the multitude of applications I tried.. Only AHCI mode seems to work for NVMe drives.. You can only raid non-NVMe and see the temps still. So i'm running my PM951 in AHCI and the other two SSDs in AHCI as well but using them together in Windows Span mode.

And these are the heatsinks you want: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M1LFYRW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Worth the $5 it seems. But I mean it's like 72c, maybe colder in this room so it's possible the temps will be worse when it gets warm again.. I'm idling at 62c right now so things aren't as great as I suspected but way better than it was even with bottom lid off. It's a tight fit and I recommend you carefully put the bottom lid back on after you put these heatsinks on.. they do touch or atleast one of them touches.

The copper tape I used is here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018RDZ3HG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

$15 but it's quality stuff and you get quite a bit of it.

 

So when you start gaming and because the GPU/CPU fans start ramping up, it actually further cools down the M2s (with heatsinks applied) by drawing out the stagnant air so double win in this regard.. Who would have thought idling is a bad thing? But airflow is king for M2s.

 

Part 3:

 

Really nice video series, I'm loving it

Your firestrike graphics score is a tad low, you should be getting around ~17.5k at stock. I would definitely redo the thermal paste on the GPU. I've had good results with both IC Diamond and Kryonaut on this laptop.

Not sure how much of a difference it will make, but turning off "Game DVR" can improve performance if you've got the Xbox app installed.

 

If anyone is having trouble with flickering, I've found a post on Reddit that says changing from optimal to maximum performance in the nvidia control panel under "manage 3D settings" should allow gsync to work correctly


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Artic Silver on this laptop is no bueno my friend. Your temps are not good with it. I would use something thicker like ICD7, PK3, GLE, or Thermal Grizzly Kyronaut

 

Yes, I'm "hoping" the thermal paste is one part of my problem. Will revisit in January when I order everything to do a tear-down part 2. Right now I'm sitting somewhere between a really good 1060 and borderline 1070, which will be fine for a month. I just play a bit of Titanfall 2 and that ran beautifully (although that is not a performance heavy game).

Part 4 will consist of some GTA V, Fallout 4, Witcher 3, Titanfall 2, and BF1... maybe Doom if it appears during the Steam Winter Sale. That vid will take awhile.

Part 5 will be the 2nd tear down, repaste.

Part 6 will be benchmarks after the repaste.

That is what I have planned for the series thus far.

 

Yes. I had some problems with my Kryonaut in Part 2, so I had to resort to survival strats. My choices at the time were Artic Silver or toothpaste. Will be attempting some different thermal pastes on the second attempt.

 

That's quite amazing! You have a different laptop though, any other mods, room temperature, laptop cooler?

 

nice video! thanks for sharing. like everyone said tempts are very high. since u havnt overclock. mine reach 89 on gpu when i did 200 + 500 overclock otherwise its less thn 75. same with cpu at stock no more thn 84 and thats with wprime.

 

wow man thats are godly temps. 17 inch advantage or some mods?

 

I always use maxed out laptop fans, mod U3 with good 120mm 12v Vardar fans, 12v power adapter and I trying to keep the indoor temperature around 16-19C when I run benchmarks. + Delidded processor and Liquid Metal everywhere. Always 18-20C home. Okay inside temp is an advantage if you are looking for the best Bench numbers and stress tests with the highest possible clock speed on notebook's.
As you can see from the pictures.., I can actually run approximately idle temp equal to ambient temperature with my U3 mod. This with a good thermal paste, lapping the heatsink for better finish and I also have basically a good heatsink (not everyone wins in the Clevo heatsink lottery, LOL). And of course a bigger 17,3 inches laptop have better hardware temp than a smaller one like 15" with same hardware. The top of the cake... Homemade fan filter from worn nylon stockings received by my dear lovely wife

Spoiler: U3 MOD AND TEMPERATURE ON P870 BGA-KILLER

Edit. Had to censoring the whole name of my P870 BGA-KILLER And please don't look you completely blind on +1.4V. Load voltage is 1.323v with 4.8GHz




Edit. More pict

Liquid Metal is...

 

that's crazy man, very nice setup. those temps wow my idle are sometime more thn ur load. since im not into benchmarks will avoid delid + liquid for now.
+rep, thanks for sharing!

 

Thanks Be happy you dont't bought a JokeBook with this... http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-6700HQ-Notebook-Processor.149420.0.html And I dont know what to call such garbage anymore. + the chips is probably one of the lowest possible binned trash from Intel. Maybe the worst low entry i7 in history!! Fully locked and not a single extra turbo bins possibility like it's predecessors!! Can this be any worse? You have at least the ability to walk miles over low level tragic 3.1GHz on all 4 cores if you want Maybe you later find that you want Delide and bring out the potential of your silicon.

Edit. Read also bro @Mr. Fox nice decription of BGA http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/bga-venting-thread.798775/page-20#post-10408853

 

Haha, good stuff, it's good to know what's possible with a laptop when you tweak all the angles! Good job

 

wow those BGA vs LGA stuff is absolutely new to me infact i didnt even knew about lga in a laptop form factor. fortunately my decision to buy this laptop is thanks to @Diversion when i was looking for reviews on gt62vr forum, while it was very attractive @1399$, this laptop was absolutely new world for me and im so happy i got this^^. just 5-10 more days InSha Allah and it will be here^^.

 

Looks like Eurocom has a GTX 1080 pre-order for Tornado F5 now! Its $700 more than the GTX 1070 though, so probably not worth it from a pure price / performance point of view. Then again, this probably will make this machine the best 15.6 inch gaming notebook for quite some time!

 

yea i think 1070 is perfect, 1080 maybe for those who want 120mhz or 4k. also its 150watt compare to 190watt so may not be able to compete with 17inch models. hopefully they release bios mod for existing owners.

edit: 7700k seems intresting tho. 4.2 base with 4.5 if it can maintain similar temps with 6700k's 4.0ghz @4.5 will be great investment!
also there is no eta/preorder on 7700k, seems like we can order it now and since it will need bios update for the new cpu. can we expect the bios update soon?

 

I currently have one of these but having problems,
Specs as follows:

I5 6600k
16gb ram
1060

I have an opportunity to swap it for another laptop with 6700hq and 1070 16gb for no extra Cost. Should I go for the 1070 I'm honestly not worried about having the most powerful processor

 

I wouldn't recommend it as the 6700hq will prevent you from seeing the full power of the 1070.


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which laptop? its not just processor tho, 1070 asus laptops for instance generate huge amount of heat. doubt if anyone here will advice to go BGA from what i have read. aso its just 94$ upgrade for 1070 from eurocom. much cheaper thn getting weaker board + cpu

 

Maybe the thread I put up is of interest http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/kaby-lake-i7-7700k-findings-not-for-fcbga-aka-bga.799156/