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    Discussion in 'MSI Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by eelkered, Mar 11, 2012.

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    Hey, I have the same situation with the touchpad. Since I tend to use my laptop at home, I connect an external keyboard, monitor and mouse so I don't mind it that much, unless I am on the move.

    How's the super raid on the barebone? This is news to me.
     
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    Since it's the same motherboard it works fine :) If you are typing a lot you can disable the touchpad with FN F3.
     
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    the only thing will trigger the touchpad i is your hand, nothing else. It's difficult that your thumb near palm area not to touch the touchpad while you are typing. that is why the first thing I do when I boot to Windows is disable the touchpad and being use USB mouse for many years. :)

    MSI GT series is not that bad when it comes to touchpad, you should see the Asus N56/N76 series with huge touchpad that make it near impossible to use.
     
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    I must say mine behaves very well and like I said you can disable it with the keyboard shortcut if you are doing lots of typing or are using a mouse.
     
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    Yeah disabling it with the function button works well enough for me.
     
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    Hey all. New to the forums here.

    Quick question:

    Does the 1762 with the 680m always come with the newer design? (black speaker grills, blue back-lit keyboard, ect...) ...or had there ever been an older version of the 1762 that came with 680m? (silver speakers, silver mouse buttons, ect...)

    Edit:
    The reason I ask is because some sites advertise pictures with 680m version as having silver accents such as:

    http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_parts.asp?PRID=25240

    and

    http://www.agearnotebooks.com/msims-1762-680m.html

    As far as I can tell, the only whitebook shown on MSI website that has 680m is the 17626 which is all black and has blue LED keyboard.
     
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    I'm not sure about the decor on the rig, maybe it depends on the manufacturer works in China or something, you know, sometime kind of manufacturer will not consistence all the time :p

    By the way, I ordered my 1762 with 680m two weeks before, it come with brushed aluminium palm rest, black speaker grill, black touchpad button and blue back-lit keyboard, just for your reference :)
     
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    I think they just simply didn't bother updating the photos since that red mark on the wasd key is not on the blue chiclet keyboard, which is advertised as present to the build, this means a picture of the previous generation(17625) is being used, bare in mind if the company did not deliver a product as specified on its datasheet it will be considered as a wrong product as a whole and thus a full refund or replacement unit shall be sent, required by law
     
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    Ok. That's what I was kind of thinking. I too have noticed a few other specifications in the descriptions which seem to be outdated or inaccurate.
     
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    There isn't any other version with 680M, there is only one version and it looks exactly like on our video here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oJSe7Y1Akg
     
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    Maybe it's another older model, or photoshop, since the barebone is black in all areas, as has been mentioned from other users. It looks better with the current dark theme, in my opinion :)
     
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    The closer they get to the retail version the better it looks :)
     
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    Well, I will soon be joining the bareboner's ranks. Ordered a 1762 with 675MX yesterday, will arrive next week hopefully.
     
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    Congrats :) Welcome aboard!

    I say we have the best looking version :p
     
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    ryzeki is your 1024Gb SSD raid 0 a sata 2 raid or dual msata raid? let me worship you if it is a 256*4 raid
     
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    Hahaha, nope it's not 256*4 though It crossed my mind. I actually got my SSDs on sale for 300dlrs a pop, and I thought that 512GB of SSD for 300dlrs was very good. I am running Raid 0 between the Sata 2 and Sata 3 with dual 512GB Crucial M4's. I don't have full performance due to different sata bandwidths, but it's still blazing fast.
     
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    so do u get sata 2 raid speeds? like 600 ish Mb/s seq read, or it will be like 1*M4 max speed + 1*sata 2 max speed?
     
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    around 600+ MB/s reads and writes. Technically 1 runs at max speed and the other at the speed it can. Since data is split, I can still muster higher speed than Sata 2 but not quite reach sata 3 all the time or as easily.
     
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    plans on switching to 2*960Gb M500? I should be going for one as data drive..... because I can, should do good for fast image restore on raid 0, driver disk and extra space for games.....
     
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    Thanks!

    I think it's pretty smart too, certainly less garish than my ROG Asus...

    I can't believe how quickly Ken at Gentech got it out to me, I ordered it last night it's been picked up by UPS already! I did only change the HDD options, I guess that made it a bit easier than some builds.

    I went 128x2 mSATA SSD in Super Raid and a 750 GB spinning for storage, otherwise all bog-standard.
     
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    Since the data is evenly striped, both are running at up to 270MB/sec that the ports can muster.
     
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    So I just opened up my lovely new barebones 1762 and am having trouble getting multitouch to work on the Synaptics touch pad. I am making the assumption here that it supports it! I have installed the drivers from the MSI website and the ones direct from Synaptics, neither of them give me any multi touch capability. Can someone give me a few pointers please? I also can't find drivers for the softkeys at the top of the keyboard, (I ordered my laptop without an OS because I have a copy of Win7 here, the drive disk that came with it appears to only have Win 8 drivers on it) any hints on where to find those too would be great!

    EDIT

    OK. so I found the soft key software, S-BAR. It half works! The Fan control button, display and eject all work, as do the P1 & P2. However the Aiplane button does nothing, the wifi stays enabled in Windows 7. Fn-F8 doesn't turn it off either, however it does toggle the pop-up overlay on the screen. Any ideas?
     
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    I have the similar situation like you about the SBar in win8. P1 is for running customize application, you can set up the desire application to run with. P2 is the switch of wifi, in my rig, it always turn on, even i press it it will switch off and on again..... airplane, that's not the purpose as show by its icon, it is bluetooth switch actually. Unfortunately, it always shut down even i press it, it only works like normal if i shut down the SCM (the similar program as Sbar in win7)
     
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    Did you buy the 1762 barebones?

    How do you know whether you have the Elan or Synaptics touchpad?

    What BIOS and EC version does it have?

    Where did you buy it?
     
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    Yep, 1762 barebones. I bought it from Gentech. I don't know for sure what touch pad it has; the Synaptics driver gives basic mouse functionality but nothing more. Checking the vendor id string in device manager suggests its an Elan though. However, the Elan driver from their own website disables all track pad functions and I can't find an Elan driver on the MSI website.

    Not at it right now, so no idea what bios version is, however EC was 5.02 I think, with an EG62 in front of that from memory. I will post the definite bios and ec versions tomorrow once I get back to it and check.

    Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk 2

    Seems there its some difference in function between 7 and 8 then, P1 and P2 both pop up the box asking what application to bind to them. I don't seem to be able to disable Wi-Fi at all, all I can do is disconnect from my router. Not much use if I need to use it on a plane!

    Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk 2
     
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    You probably should be using BIOS E1762IMT.10U, but you should really check with GenTech support about this issue since they would know exactly what you have. They can then provide you with the correct BIOS and Elan drivers
     
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    If you get a hold of driver that supports multitouch, let me know. Not having scroll functionality is driving me nuts!
     
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    so far I know the touchpad is not a "MULTI-TOUCH" one...... please correct me if i'm not ....
     
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    I have emailed Ken so hopefully he will let me know where I can get the drivers.

    The BIOS currently installed is E1762IG6.70U dated 11/23/2012
    The EC is 1762EG62 Ver 5.02 dated 09/25/2012

    I looked at the MSI barebones BIOS section and didn't find the E1762IMT.10U version you mentioned, the versions available in the non-Win8 section were:

    E1762IMS.30U.zip for RAID mode and
    E1762IMS.10U.zip for AHCI mode.

    I have the SuperRAID option in my barebones, so do I need to use the RAID version (of whichever BIOS revision I get) over the AHCI one?

    The only EC (I assume that is the "Firmware" option in downloads?) is:

    1762EMS1.414.zip

    which is dated a few months after my verison, but appears to have a totally different version numbering!

    I notice that the 17626 barebones link on the MSI site takes me to the GT70-0NC downloads page, is that where my problems are coming from, or is this actually a -0NC model without the badges?

    Thanks for any help offered, the touchpad and S-BAR bits are the only remaining niggles in an otherwise excellent computer!
     
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    I am not sure either way to be honest, I had just assumed it was multi touch! To be honest, what I really want is the ability to scroll down a webpage without having to click and drag the scrollbar. My old Asus G50 had an area on the side of the touch pad that worked as a vertical scroll (like a scroll wheel on a mouse) but it also supported 2-finger multitouch with the newest Synaptics drivers. My assumption was that since that Asus touch pad is 4+ years old, all new ones would be as good or better...
     
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    The RAID driver defaults to RAID mode and the AHCI defaults to AHCI mode on a bios reset, since you have a raid setup I would recommend the raid driver.
     
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    As far as I know, the barebone does not have multitouch capability. Good thing you contacted Gentech, I am sure they can help you out. It is odd that I have different buttons on my unit, or at least I don't know what is the airplane switch :)

    All my buttons work correctly and I am using Win7, but I bought my machine pre windows 8, so maybe that has something to do, with new drivers coming out? Perhaps we need to find the original or older drivers.
     
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    Well Ken at Gentech confirmed that the barebone does not have multi touch or a scroll region, so I can stop looking for different drivers for that!

    The S-Bar buttons are still an issue, Ken confirmed my laptop should have the Win 7 BIOS in it, he is checking the exact numbers to make sure. I have used the old pre-Win8 wifi drivers and all sorts from the MSI website and the issue with wifi and Bluetooth still persists, no mater what driver versions I use. It's no big deal until I want to use the laptop on a plane or something, but it would be nice to have a 100% functionality rather than 98% !
     
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    Yes I know what you mean, and of course you are doing good at finding all that info! Can you check my review for a bit? I have some pics of my barebone and I would like for you to check if the button layout is any different.

    I am curious, being a barebone owner and not having any particular weirdness with the S bar, but I understand and now that I think about it I never really used it that much. I mostly used the physical buttons so maybe that's why?
     
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    OK, I just checked out your review (again, I read it before I bought the laptop too!) and there are 2 differences in the S-Bar buttons. Your Wifi button is labelled P2 on mine and your Bluetooth button is an Airplane mode on mine.

    My P2 is exactly the same as the P1, I can assign a program to launch when I press it. I think the Airplane one is meant to turn off Bluetooth and wifi, but it does nothing. It lights up when I press it, but nothing more.

    If by physical buttons, you mean Fn-F8, then that doesn't work on mine either. If you mean a slider switch, then I haven't found one yet, if I've missed it, I am gonna look silly now!
     
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    try update your Sbar software. In my laptop, the P2 button seems not function when the laptop arrived to me with an old Sbar software (in win7 the software named Sbar, and named SCM in win8, they looks difference but do the similar job). After update the software, it works much better, P2 control the wifi, aeroplane control BT (yep.... fake by the aeroplane logo, but at least it link up to some function but not empty). If you shut down the Sbar (SCM) software, the monitor control and optical tray eject function will lose. The only function that still empty on the heat-sensitive panel is that the "Cinema" button (which beside the P1). According from some youtube video, that is a Cinema function which increase the clarity of video in win7 (not sure with win8) but it does nothing and no information which video player are able to make use of that function.... so it turns to empty in my laptop

    panel.jpg
     
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    I am using the latest S-Bar from the MSI website, the version that requires .NET 4.5, I have also tried the older version too. Both operate exactly the same way on my laptop.

    The movie icon button on my laptop launches Windows Media Player, without any intervention or setup!
     
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    Hello guys, i've a question regarding 1762, Which sound card is this and what type of headsets will it support? ( Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio )
    Also can someone explain difference between 5.1 and 7.1 headsets? Will they both work on that sound card?
     
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    Which headset exactly are you talking about? For example steelseries 7H USB uses a USB sound card which means the USB dongle connecting to the computer is working as the sound card, skipping the integrated one, and if say you are using the Razer tiamat which has 5 jacks you will need to use a splitter to split the microphone and whatever speaker jack, if you are using other headsets which needs an optical cable you will need an optical spdif cable to connect the headset
     
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    im actually looking to buy one, there are headsets with 5.1 and 7.1 capabilities.. i know that means surround but i was asking whether they are compatible with the built in sound card which is Sound Blaster ( is it any good ? )

    5 jacks seriously? isnt there only 1 in sound cards.. USB headsets have built in sound cards into their headset, i was talking about the ones you can plug into that sound card and still get awesome sound :p
     
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    You can do 5.1 through the branded MSI using the cards software but it doesn't come installed on the barebones. You can try to find a copy of it and install it though, it allows you to assign the outputs to specific functions such as center, rear, and front.
     
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    Most of the 5.1-7.1 headsets use USB connection instead of the regular jack/port. If you're looking for a specific headset you can check its connectivity.. If you need suggestion I would say Logitech G35 or Corsair 1500.
     
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    I see, so it is physically different due to yours being a newer version. My WiFi etc always worked with a single touch and did disable the wifi. Hmmm definitely seems like both the app and perhaps bios need to work together with your new machine.

    If there is anything I can help with, I will!
     
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    But won't we need a headset capable of handling 5.1 sound for that software to work?

    No i was just asking what that sound card is really capable of? like is there any 5.1 headset that will come with single 3.5mm pin for direct connection with sound card, will it still give 5.1 surround sound, in a nutshell is that sound card capable of that or should i just stick with USB Headsets with build in sound card for 5.1? Wondering if there are any good headsets under $50 since i've a corsair coupon of 30% off but i cant use it since i'm not in a country where corsair will deliver
     
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    Yes you'd need a headset specifically designed for 5.1 for the functionality to work. It'll have three plugs to input to allow it if I'm not mistaken. I was under the impression you already had one and why you were asking the question. You won't be able to get true 5.1 out of a single headphone jack as they output 2 channel stereo. If you're going to be buying all new equipment might as well stick with a USB solution.
     
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    So if a 5.1 headset has 3 or 5 jacks to input.. where can they be fit into as Sound card usually have just single output slot, i'll probably go with USB Solution but i'm wondering how is that possible.
     
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    I've been referencing the 16F3 and 1762 models of which you'll want to refer to the specs and image galleries. They Dynaudio system they have has four audio outputs that you're able to configure as I've described to achieve a 5.1 setup using the software if you're able to get a copy of it installed.
     
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    Their output driving is also properly designed as well so will sound decent :)
     
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    have you actually done much homework on the laptop itself? It seems like you should read some reviews about it before proceeding to ordering the machine, I've seen quite a few people who whined about their purchase being "not as expected" where it just goes down to pure lack of preparation done and no googling for solutions, the reviews are here before you start asking further questions: Review MSI GT70 Notebook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews
     
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    OK, for those that like me, want multitouch on their Elan touch pad, here it is!

    This link:

    http://download2.msi.com/files/downloads/nb_drivers/tp/mtp_etd_11.13.1.4_al00.zip

    has the driver for the Elan touchpad which it appears my 17626 barebones has. If it helps identify it, mine shows "ACPI\ETD0300" under the Hardware IDs tab in Device Manager.

    It has just about every form of multitouch you could want, single, double and three finger; to think, all I wanted was scrolling, now I have zoom, middle button, next and previous page etc. etc.!

    All credit goes to Ken at Gentech for finding this, I couldn't find it via the drivers downloads on any of the MSI laptop support pages, but he sent me a link. Outstanding support from Gentech, I have never had his level of communications and help from any other company I have dealt with, so thanks very much Ken!
     
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