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    Announcing ThinkPad P-Series - P50 and P70

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by ibmthink, Aug 10, 2015.

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    It seems Lenovo is getting more vague as to the release of the p70 and presumably the P50. Does anyone have a more firm release date?
     
    chijw11478, Dec 1, 2015
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    Notice that there's a P50s announcement hidden in there as well. Almost no info on that one, but it sounds like an analog to the Dell Precision 5510 and the HP ZBook Studio.
     
    Pirx, Dec 2, 2015
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    And most importantly:

    "The new ThinkPad P40 Yoga, ThinkPad P50s and ThinkStation P310 will be available starting in Q1 2016 through Lenovo business partners and on www.lenovo.com. Pricing for the ThinkPad P40 Yoga begins at $1399, while the ThinkPad P50s begins at $1299. The Lenovo ThinkStation P310 begins at $729. More information about the ThinkPad P Series, including an interactive tour of the ThinkPad P40 Yoga, can be found at www.thinkworkstations.com"
     
    Jogo Damov, Dec 2, 2015
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    We’ll I think it’s too late for a Christmas delivery for the P70 so it’s mostly 2016 for me and since I waiting for the P70 I am going to compare it to the Precision 7710 ( I know that’s our now I believe) however I don’t think Thunderbolt 3 is available until January. Also, I will compare the P70 to the newest HP Zbook studio 17 (also available in January)
    So I will compare the Notebooks (workstations) below

    Lenovo P70
    Precision 7710
    HP Zbook 17 inch Studio

    Also I recently noticed the ASUS N Series laptop (latest model) N752 I don’t think that is available yet either. Not sure if I will get that however I want to compare.

    Also any other Notebooks/Workstations that compares to the hardware above. I am not waiting long though so I expect January is the is timeframe.
     
    notebook303, Dec 3, 2015
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  6. planetweckesser

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    Weak graphics on the ASUS - "Up to" Geforce GTX 960M - no professional graphics cards (or at least the GTX 980M
     
    planetweckesser, Dec 4, 2015
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  7. planetweckesser

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    Has anyone played around with the P70 configurators for the UK or Sweden and compared them to an equivalent configuration with Dell Precision 7710 - I'm getting figures of around $5700 for the Dell (with the better Xeon 1535)and two PCIe 512 GB M.2 drives and one SATA SSD compared with about $7200 (equivalent) for the P 70 with as close a configuration to the 7710 that I can come up with. Hopefully Lenovo's US and European price structure is different or they will quickly price themselves out of the workstation market (at least comparing the P70 and 7710)
     
    planetweckesser, Dec 6, 2015
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  8. driekus

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    Personally I stay away from purchasing from the Lenovo website. I find the preconfigured topsellers are usually the best deal. They have one there that seems close to what you are looking for. The only thing with the topsellers is that you may have to add a drive or RAM or have something more than what you need.

    http://psref.lenovo.com/Product/ThinkPad_P70

    I have only looked at the P50 in detail and the prices for the P50 and the Dell 7510 are pretty similar.

    The P70 has not shown up in resellers yet so it is hard to tell what the cost would be.
     
    driekus, Dec 6, 2015
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  9. oruvin

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    Did you add VAT to Dell's price?
     
    oruvin, Dec 7, 2015
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  10. planetweckesser

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    I'm not used to dealing with European sites that already have VAT added in to their prices. I subtracted the VAT off the P70 price and there is still about a $500-$600 difference (more) than with the Precision with the Precision having better upgrades (Xeon 1535, PCIe drive as the second drive rather than SATA).
     
    planetweckesser, Dec 7, 2015
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  11. ibmthink

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    ThinkPads are often way more expensive in Europe compared with the US. Lenovos webshop also often offers very high discounts.
     
    ibmthink, Dec 7, 2015
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  12. FinkPad

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    Battery not removable? Is this a joke?
     
    FinkPad, Dec 7, 2015
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  13. ibmthink

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    What are you talking about? Of course is the battery removable...
     
    ibmthink, Dec 7, 2015
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    FinkPad, Dec 7, 2015
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    I think what they mean is that it is no longer hot swapable without a power supply. The older W541 had a secondary internal battery, so you could swap the main battery with the computer on, even without being plugged in.
    At least from the pictures released, it looks very much like you can still remove the battery, but who knows until you get your hands on it. Maybe they will be more explicit when it becomes available.
     
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    No, thats not right. W541 did not have a internal battery as well. Only Ultrabook-type ThinkPads, like the W550s or the T440s have those secondary internal batteries.

    I held both batteries in my hands once, so, I guess thats a pretty good proof that the battery is easily removable. :vbbiggrin:

    P50 battery.jpg P70 battery.jpg
     
    ibmthink, Dec 7, 2015
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  17. FinkPad

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    Are these P70 battery or P50?
     
    FinkPad, Dec 7, 2015
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  18. ibmthink

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    ibmthink, Dec 7, 2015
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  19. FinkPad

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    So what did Techrader meant when they say

    Unlike the ThinkPad W Series, the battery in the ThinkPad P70 is integrated, meaning that it cannot be replaced. The eight-cell battery in the P70 is rated for between five and six hours of use, according to Flynn.

    The integrated battery means that Lenovo's Power Bridge Technology won't make an appearance on this year's P Series. On the ThinkPad W550s, there is an internal battery as well as a user-replaceable battery. Power Bridge Technology allows owners of the W550s to swap out the depleted replaceable battery for a fresh one without having to shut down their system. This saves time as you won't need to reopen tabs or relaunch apps because you didn't have to shut down.
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    That the battery is still removable, but not replaceable in that one must shut down the computer first?
     
    FinkPad, Dec 7, 2015
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  20. c79A978eHM

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    oops, sorry I meant the W550s
     
    c79A978eHM, Dec 8, 2015
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  21. GosuDesign

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    P40 is only dual core while Dell and HP are quad core
     
    GosuDesign, Dec 8, 2015
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  22. GosuDesign

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    Yea right. P40 is only dual core while Dell and HP are quad core
     
    GosuDesign, Dec 8, 2015
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  23. driekus

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    I would guess the P50s is also dual core as well, at least from the scant information provided.
     
    driekus, Dec 8, 2015
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  24. planetweckesser

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    I just heard from my Lenovo small business rep and he told me P70 should be on US website tomorrow (Dec. 10)!!
     
    planetweckesser, Dec 9, 2015
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  25. changt34x

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    Nice! Any chance you could also ask about the P50?
     
    changt34x, Dec 9, 2015
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  26. ibmthink

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    P50 is going to be released a few weeks later, so I guess early January 2016.
     
    ibmthink, Dec 9, 2015
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    ibmthink, Dec 10, 2015
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    tommyxv, Dec 10, 2015
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    Lenovo hasn´t offered AMD GPUs in their workstations since the W510 (last model was the W500), and the datasheets never mentioned AMD GPUs, so that should come to no surprise.

    I will ask someone from Lenovo about the SSDs.
     
    ibmthink, Dec 10, 2015
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  30. Phinehas

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    Also only the base Xeon E3 1505M model available at the moment. Looks like the only current advantage is larger screen size and higher level graphics card given the limited processor availability and limited SSD options.
     
    Phinehas, Dec 10, 2015
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  31. tommyxv

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    Cool. Was there going to be two m2 2280 PCI-E slots like the Dell 7710?
     
    tommyxv, Dec 10, 2015
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  32. Kim Rasmussen

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    Yes there is room for 2 m2 drives, one sata and one multibay for dvd or extra sata.
    I ordered mine with 512gb m2 from thinklogic in uk. They had lots of options available for various configurations.
    Unfortunately Lenovo does not sell with 1tb m2 drives yet since they have problems getting them to perform as good as the 512gb versions.
    Both sizes are supposed to be samsung drives.
     
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    There are two M.2 2280 PCIe NVMe slots, + one SATA III 2.5" HDD/SSD slot, + the Ultrabay slot (which can either be used for a DVD burner, or a another 2.5" SSD/HDD, or another 2280 M.2 SSD). Some of these options are not yet available it seems, but they will be in the future.
     
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    Waiting for reviews.
     
    FinkPad, Dec 10, 2015
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  35. mightaswell

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    Nice to see it is finally available her in the US, but it sure is out of my price range. Congrats to all the new owners.
     
    mightaswell, Dec 10, 2015
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  36. esit

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    Hi everyone, I am new to here.
    just came up with a question about P70/P50's color calibrator. Can someone help me with understanding how good its color calibrator would be, comparing to those external ones from x-rite or spyder5?
    thx
     
    esit, Dec 11, 2015
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  37. c79A978eHM

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    Also, does anyone know if the color calibrator only works in windows? Or is it done in the bios?
     
    c79A978eHM, Dec 11, 2015
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    Apologies if this has been asked or answered before, I Googled it and couldn't find an answer:
    - What is the supported color gamut for the P50 and P70 IPS screen?
    - Do they support an external GPU using Thunderbolt 3? (Search on Intel's website doesn't lead to any useful information)
    - Is the fixed DVD removable as it is on all Thinkpads?
    - Is it safe to assume that the screen is upgradable? (Can't afford the 4K at the moment)
     
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    1) The P70's screen info, from the psref:
    Some: 17.3" (439mm) FHD (1920x1080), anti-glare, LED backlight, IPS, 300 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 800:1 contrast ratio, 72% gamut, 170° viewing angle
    Some: 17.3" (439mm) 4K (3840x2160), anti-glare, LED backlight, IPS, 300 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 800:1 contrast ratio, 90% gamut, 170° viewing angle

    2) No idea

    3) The DVD is a removable ultrabay

    4) Assuming you can find the LCD panel, and are willing to open up your screen to change it, presumably. I did it on my w520...
     
    wesmain, Dec 12, 2015
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  40. Hexagonal

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    The question is...which "gamut" is that? NTSC? Rec. 2020? AdobeRGB? sRGB?

    The new Dell UHD display on its 15" models are said to cover 100% of AdobeRGB, which is great. Lenovo's preivous 2.8K covered 85% sRGB, which is not bad but just about short for professional photo work.

    It looks like the P50s will be the successor to the W550s, which is a bit of a shame because the W550s attractive point, besides the battery life, was that it was 2.3cm thick and the P50s (if based on the same shell as the P50) would be 2.5cm thick. Dell's previous M3800 was already 2cm thick.

    I need to replace my W530 and now looking at options.
     
    Hexagonal, Dec 14, 2015
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    I have been waiting forever for a 17" laptop with a 4K display and I'm about to purchase the P70 but I have a few questions that I hope someone can answer. I'm trying to decide between the P70 and the Dell Precision 7710: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/precision-m7710-workstation/pd?oc=xctomp771017us
    • Seems like the only other choice for a 17" 4K laptop is the Dell Precision 7710. Are there any other 17" 4K laptops I should consider?
    • Is the screen quality of the P70 and the Dell 7710 the same? Is one better than the other?
    • To keep the cost reasonable, I want to purchase a barebones P70 with the 4K display and then add an M2 drive, two SSDs, and RAM on my own. Anyone know if the RAM, SSD, and M2 drive slots are easily accessible? Is it a matter of just removing the bottom plate or doe sit require more disassembly?
    • Can both M2 slots support PCIe at the maximum data transfer rate possible (4 data lanes)? This is what I plan to buy as my primary drive: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-950-5...ie=UTF8&qid=1450124511&sr=1-3&keywords=M2+SSD
    • I'd like to purchase the P70 but without a DVD player (never used the DVD in a laptop in YEARS). I realize the P70 ships with an Ultrabay that can accommodate a SSD/hard drive but can I buy an Ulatrabay that can accommodate an SSD in the DVD drive slot separately? What is the part number for the SSD Ultrabay that will fit in the DVD drive space? The only way I see now is to waste $140 to add a 500GB drive as a 3rd drive and then yet another $220 to add a "500 GB HD 7200RPM HD Adapter." I have no use for two 500GB drives and would prefer to just buy an Ultrabay adapter so I can buy a much larger hard drive to fit there.
    • Could they add any features to this laptop in January or February that are not available now? I thought this laptop could be bought with 4G connectivity but I do not see that. Is that coming in early 2016?
    I'll be using this laptop for software development with Visual Studio and this looks like a great laptop for the purpose. As good as this laptop is I think Lenovo has done a horrible job with the online laptop configurator. It's odd how they never let you specify a second M2 drive.

    Thanks so much for any info.
     
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    WEB_SRFR, Dec 14, 2015
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  42. planetweckesser

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    I think they did a horrible job too with the Configurator. They have done even a worse job with their pricing ($2500 for a Quadro M5000M)!!. As far as your other questions - I don't think anyone can answer them all with absolute certainty because what was promised and what is actually available now (hard drive choices especially) falls far short. I don't think that Lenovo will be ready with this machine (at full specs) until late January or February. The Precision 7710 has full availability now (except for the Thunderbolt 3 port) - just look at all the hard drive choices on their Configurator.
     
    planetweckesser, Dec 14, 2015
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  43. wesmain

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    The Hardware Maintenance Manual should answer many of your questions: https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/p70_hmm_en_sp40j65113.pdf
    Also, Lenovo laptops all have a "psref" (google "thinkpad P70 psref") which lists all of the pre-configured models. You'll see if more features are on their way there.
     
    wesmain, Dec 14, 2015
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  44. ddong

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    When will these come out EXACTLY?

    Always quote my messages so I get notified quickly!
     
    ddong, Dec 14, 2015
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    c79A978eHM, Dec 14, 2015
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  46. Pirx

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    As a software developer you may want to consider that the idiots at Dell have eliminated the dedicated "Home" and "End" keys, and demoted them to Fn-key combinations. Both Lenovo and HP, in contrast, still have fully functional keyboards.

    By the way, since you asked for alternatives, HP has announced a new 17" Zbook G3, which is another competitor to the two machines you mentioned. None of these three are currently available in their ultimate top-end configurations (the HP cannot be ordered yet, the Lenovo configurations are horribly incomplete, and the Dells don't come with Thunderbolt ports yet). If you can wait, I'd advise you to do so, until perhaps March or April, is my guess, and decide then. If past is any indicator, then the HP Dreamcolor screen may be the best of the pack, once it becomes available.
     
    Pirx, Dec 14, 2015
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  47. tommyxv

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    No need to rely on being quoted. Just add the thread to your watch list with email notification. ;)
     
    tommyxv, Dec 15, 2015
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    I just prefer it that way doh

    Always quote my messages so I get notified quickly!
     
    ddong, Dec 15, 2015
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    Yes, and this Lenovo workstation was announced in August I believe (correct me if I am wrong). If I am correct and your calculation is correct thats 6 months or nearly 6 months. You have to love how this OEM's announce machines and it takes that long to make full specs available it would have been nice to have this configuration ready last month (NOV). Oh we'll like I said I will compare DELL 7710, Lenovo P70 and that new HP zbook 17 inch workstation. Also anything else that may come along by mid late January.
     
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