Announcing ThinkPad P-Series - P50 and P70

Should be the same way, thats what the International Warranty is for. But don´t take my word for it, I don´t have any experiences with International Lenovo Warranty so far

 

Nice pictures of P50 and P70 from Japanese announcement event: http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20151117_731082.html

P50 driver page: http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-p-series-laptops/thinkpad-p50

HMM: https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/p50_hmm_en_sp40j71944.pdf

Userguide: https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/p50_ug_en.pdf

 

Wow, P70 looks good! Thanks for sharing ibmthink

 

Just found this: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...nkpad/p-series/p70/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Found via Google Search: https://www.google.com/search?q=thinkpad+p70&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=thinkpad+p70&tbs=qdr:d

Any minute now.

 

When I open the links, doesn't really show up anything ecept the fact it is just a section for P70?

 

Has anyone heard of whether both battery options for the P50 sit flush in the machine?

According to the product pages for Battery 77 and Battery 77+ on Lenovo's site, the only difference between the two is weight and capacity (66wHr and 90wHr.) That just seems unusual.

For reference, Battery 77:
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/itemdetails/4X50K14090/460/D91DC49376D94C4690E7BA925BCE90CA#4X50K14090

Battery 77+:
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/itemdetails/4X50K14091/460/D91DC49376D94C4690E7BA925BCE90CA#4X50K14091

 

I ordered a P50 with FHD/6700HQ/8GB/256GB/M1000M/90WH/no OS and have to wait 2-4 weeks for shipping. So it should be possible to get them in 2015. Paid 1439 Euro with students discount.

 

They have updated Product Specifications Reference site with P50 - http://psref.lenovo.com/Product/ThinkPad_P50

 

I have question about which Xeon E3 V5 processor is better - 1535M or 1505M? The only difference between them is the first doesnt support embedded availability as Intel Ark says, which I dont know exactly what they mean? Any suggestions?

I am asking since I am watching the Dell Precision 7710 workstation and it is configurable with Xeon 1535M processor and Thinkpad P70 with 1505M

 

Looks just like a clock speed bump between the 1505m and the 1535m. The 1505 has a base clock of 2.8GHz and will turbo up to 3.7, and the 1535 has a base clock of 2.9 and will turbo up to 3.8.

 

1535 is slightly faster, 1505 is cheaper. Probably not enough difference to notice. I was looking at the 7510, was hoping the p50 was going to be available but who knows.

 

Is there any advantage in choosing i7-6700HQ over i7-6820HQ... From whatever I have seen :
- - price is same
- - graphics is same
- - L3 cache is lower (bad..)
- - the power rating is same (though slightly lower clock speed - does that have a significant impact on battery life?)

 

If someone buys the DELL 7510 or the 7710, can you report for us on the quality of the keyboard and the chassis? Those are my main reasons for going for the thinkpad.

 

What hardrive setup are you all looking at? I was going 512 GB pcie m2 ssd high performance for os but wanted a second larger drive but the sata ssd prices are ridiculous through the manufacturers.

 

Started to pop-up on Canadian sites
http://www.pccanada.com/inventory.asp?search=lenovo+p50

Expensive, but given our dollar has gone down it is not surprising.

 

I am not happy to say that, but I cannot spend $3000 just for entry level P70 with i7 core processor and FHD display with low M600M graphics when for the same price I can get Dell 7710 with Xeon processor 1535, 4K, M3000M Nvidia graphics. Even if the chasse and keyboard might not br the best on Dell, I consider price over what I get for sure. Also the fan are located on the back of Dell. Not sure if this will be enough for the cooling but at least won't heat up from two sides and back as P70 will. The disadvantage now of Dell 7710, no thunderbold yet and no international delivery as well. Overal I always loved Dell design, not Lenovo. But ThinkPad are what they are - ThinkPad.

 

Yeah I was shocked at those prices as well. If that's correct then I'm going to go ahead and order a 7510.

 

The price will drop but I cannot wait 4-6 months either after the initial release. At that moment P70 is just still behind the curtains where Dell is going live each day!

 

Lenovo did announce the starting price for P50 and P70 as 1599 $ for the P50 and 1999 $ for the P70 back in August with the initial announcement.

Here in Germany its slightly more expensive, P50 starts at 1950 €, P70 at 2150 €..

 

P70 is killing expensive. I have already contacted the Lenovo local official rep and they asked me almost 5000 euro with VAT for the top version of it with Xeon, 4K, M5000M, 1T SSD. Even though, the most affordable version will be yet very expensive. I think the price will drop but who will wait them to make sense on money.

The fact that they announced it August and will release it late December and who knows maybe early January is enough for me not to make big plans for it.

 

They did say Q4 2015 in August, which it still is.

P70 could be on the website any day now. P50 is supposed to be there in December.

 

With this pricing, I really don't care when they will launch it

 

I just ordered the 7510. So hope the wife likes it. Xeon 1535 v5, 32gb ecc, quadro 2000, 4k display, 512 GB m2 pcie nvme high pro drive. I'll add a 1 tb ssd later as dells price is terrible for additional drives.

 

edit: nevermind, noticed that the 7510 does indeed have a trackpoint. It's the 5510 that does not, like the Zbook Studio, as it's the thinner version.

Also I'm guessing nobody has experience using an AHCI PCIe M2 SSD in an NVMe-enabled slot. I have an SM951 from my X1 Carbon in 256GB that I'd love to use in a P50, but it seems that nobody has really ever tried this yet, for use as the boot drive. I'm guessing Lenovo will be pulling the minimum 512GB option on the US again, like they did with the X1 Carbon.

 

For me, I have two choices:

P50, Xeon 1505, 16Gb, M2000M, 512Gb PCIeSSD ( http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=378318)
at $3100
or Dell 7510 with near identical specs for around $2900.

Will probably come down to the reviews for me. I am not going to pull the pin until the Lenovo has been out a few months though.

 

I will wait to see Lenovo P series live and reviews as well. For now my choise will be on Dell 7710.

 

Did someone notice strange mismatch about displays?

P50 product details:

P50 PSREF:

 

Agreed. One aspect of Lenovo machines that's starting to bug me is the build quality. Poorly assembled black plastic just doesn't cut it anymore (at least the way Lenovo puts it together). My T440p has horrendous build quality (rough seams, flexy lid that doesn't close well, grease magnet etc.) and I feel I constantly have to baby it. I'd really like a new workstation machine to look and feel far more solid.

 

Actually I am pretty sure the build quality of ThinkPad P70 will be good, no doubt of this. Although the Dell 7710 might outrun it. The only thing is the boosted pricing. ThinkPad P70 will be also very heavy to carry around. In this thought, Dell made it a bit lighter but the cooling was compromised. There is no perfect solution yet for this workstations.

 

Given the price tag I am pretty confident that the build quality will be good for both the P50 and P70. Always been suspicious of Dell and HP, however I have been told the high models are a lot better than the junk in Best Buy.
My wifes t440s definitely felt premium while I agree the t440p was poor (I had one at my old work).

 

P50 and P70 are built very differently than the T440p. Much more metal is used here than for the T440p (the base-unit itself is made out of Magnesium/Aluminum).

When I had my hands-on with both of these on IFA, they felt really solid and very premium. More premium than my W550s even.

 

So if I got a xeon cpu I could use 16gb ECC sodimms?

 

Yes, absolutely, ECC RAM is one of the key features of Xeon CPUs.

 

Lenovo is taking too long to release these. A few more days and I'm going to get the Dell 7710.

 

Again, if you get the DELL, please tell us how you like it. I'm in dire need of a new computer and I've been waiting for the P70 sofar. Thanks!

 

Same. I'm also really curious about whether the M1000M and M2000M will throttle like the equivalents did in the W541. Or, rather, from what I've read the CPU would throttle severely if you used the K2100M on the go. I'd prefer this versus what happened with the W520, where the 2000M GPU would become slow while the CPU would be fast, but ideally if they can keep both the CPU and GPU in a usable range of speed while on battery, that would be preferred.

Ideally I'd love to be able to also set the CPU TDP to 35 watts instead of 45. Intel lists this on the ARK page http://ark.intel.com/products/88970/Intel-Core-i7-6820HQ-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz as the configurable TDP down, but I'm guessing there wouldn't be a switch in the BIOS or such to make the change.

 

W520 owner here. I found the temps to be really annoying whilst performing tasks such as video editing and gaming. The solution that worked for me was to use 3 softwares to manage power in the machine.

Throttlestop (direct control over CPU speed)
Afterburner (direct control over GPU clocks)
Tp fan control

I would disable turboboost and the gpu would be able to perform optimally for gaming. I even began using the machine at 1.5ghz for most of the time and temps remain at 61 to 61 celsius (GPU on)

Afterburner would be used to throttle down GPU to minimum speeds while normal usage.

I set a manual override option in tpfancontrol to give me 4800rpm fanspeed (the BIOS max was set at 3800) which was incredibly loud but kept all temps under control for maximum power.

I know its a very cumbersome way to use a machine, continuously flicking settings and slider boxes, but allowed me to get very good mileage out of this machine. I suspect we will have to do the same with any any laptop with high power components or get full fledged gaming laptops where design (on the better ones anyway) is sacrificed to get maximum cooling.

 

So you don't really use the keyboard? You are aware of the fact that the Dells don't have dedicated Home/End keys anymore? For me this utterly idiotic decision was the final straw. I used to be a Dell Precision guy, but they managed to drive me away for good now...

 

I have ordered a couple P70's via thinklogic.co.uk - they have just been informed by Lenovo that expected ship dates (from China) for P70 is december 10, and for P50 it is december 20.

 

Expected dates were supposedly said also for November and nothing happened. Lenovo can say whatever they want. The release is freaking delayed so far. Dell 7710 for me too on January with Thunderbold

 

The only time I use the Home and End keys is when I'm playing a game. And 99% of the time, I'll be docked to triple monitors and using my desktop keyboard/mouse.

I may have to wait for that too. Though I am trying to figure if I really need the 40GB port.

 

I prefer to wait and get the very best of Dell 7710 without missing any component later. At least I will know why I'm paying those money. Just I am not able to get purchase from local Resellers at that moment. in EU is too expensive $1699 versus 20250eu is definetely not the same for start price. I rather would get it directly from US.

 

Does anyone know if the P70 will be able to configurable without having the internal DVD? I just looked and the spec sheet is there and it comes with a optical drive which I won't use much at all. If I need one externals are inexpensive.

 

Yes, you can configure it with either a blank bezel (which is supposed to include an extra M.2 port) or a HDD caddy to add a second 2.5" HDD/SSD.

 

For me the bigger issue is keyboard performance and trackpoint performance. The home/end keys is minor but dont think it would affect as many people as general keyboard performance.

 

Wow that is weird, I didn't know that. I use Home and End keys all the time. Very strange decision by Dell to do that.

 

Interesting - so, in addition to the 2 M.2 slots for PCIe drives, both the regular 2.5" hard drive slot as well as the Optical drive slot will have the option of adding M.2 drives (PCIe)?

I have switched over to the Precision 7710 since Dell is offering it with 2 M.2 slots and the 2.5" bay using an M.2 PCIe with an interposer and then using RAID 0 for 2 of the drives. In addition Dell is now offering 1TB PCIe NVMe drives (and not the 512 GB max offered by Lenovo) and by January they should have more Xeon options (E5 ?).

If Lenovo were to offer the option of 4 hard drives all with M.2 PCIe and RAID 0 on 3 of the four + 1 TB PCIe's I might switch back but it seems as though Lenovo can't get their act together in getting the P70 with all available options on the website - seems like even higher management is clueless. Ordering from the resellers (now) could be hazardous if you want to have higher components since the factory sends preconfigured models and the other components are installed by the resellers.

 

I am not sure about the regular 2.5" slot. We will have to see about that when it finally arrives in the hands of the customers.

 

Interesting. I am not aware of any current NVMe drive with 1TB on the market. Do you have details on that? I know that Samsung want to get the 950 pro out in "early 2016" but nothing out yet.

 

I'm assuming it is the Samsung 950 for OEM. Dell has these drives on their configurator for not only the more powerful workstations like the 7710,7510, and 5510 but also the XPS 15. They are quite expensive $1079 but avaliable. In fact, the estimated delivery date for 7710 wth the 1TB PCIe NVMe drives is Dec. 8-11 (at checkout).