nope, even though I did a quick job, im not that careless lol.. ive worked with conductive paste and with computers for a very long time so i know what im doing![]()
I put the pad on there and the heatsink and kept pressure on it then mounted it evenly. I hand tightened the screws till there was no more turn. I guess I can see it when people say there wouldnt be enough pressure but at least for me I'm lucky to have an decent cooler.
As far as temps goes its looking pretty nice, woke up this morning idling at a nice 34C on CPU, 55-60C playing games (only at 4GHz tho). Stress test it was capping around 75C (fans AUTO)
GPU also around the same 60ishC on load. (fans AUTO)
I would probably say this goes about 2-3C above higher quality paste, but as far as installation goes and longevity (not having to worry about it) then the pros out weigh the con. Unless that 2-3C was preventing you from going further with your overclock.
But as with everything YMMV, it is highly conductive so install at your own risk.
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I Just want other people to be careful. Because when I tried installing the pad on a 290X, any tiny vibration of anything would make the pad move when trying to attach the PCB to the heatsink. I was in no danger since I have nail polish insulting everything. But a random person could easily kill his card.
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There is always something very satisfying about taming your temps. Just like having a car you custom built and modified. Like..."your baby."rinneh likes this. -
I did lap heatsinks in the past on my desktop but have zero experience with that on laptops. How did you work around raised edges on the heatsinks which come on contact with the VRM's etc? Also hwo to make sure the heatsink is not bulging outwards or convex?
I truly hope these pads would give me more heatsink pressure. I hae a very strange temperature pattern.
For example core 1 - 84c, core 2 - 85c, core 3 - 83c and core 4 - 81c.
Not the usual core 0 and 2 that are way hotter than the rest.
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I would definitely like to try this. I have an Alienware 17R4 with thermal issues. I was going to try liquid metal but with the issue of it possibly leaking out this seems safer. Yes i know it is still electrically conductive but seems a bit safer than liquid.
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Read my foam dam guide for helping the LM leaking out issue here.
Also, Mr Fox had success with this while another user did not (although that other user was using an existing shim), but it MAY be possible to use these IC pads as thermal shims, by putting LM on the CPU as normal, rubbing LM (read my guide) vigorously over the copper heatsink surface above the CPU contact area, then putting this pad between the CPU and heatsink, to increase heatsink pressure. This needs to be tested. I would test it myself but my back won't allow it right now. If I get well enough, I may remove my r9 290x and try it there. -
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Tested the "shim" between LM on the r9 290x. temps worse by 2C. Not a horrible result, considering the absolutely atrocious pressure with the X-bracket and the reference heatsink (the pressure is so atrocious it literally oxidizes all of the LM, but still cools okay if you apply enough to NOT have it all absorbed off the CPU).
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can someone who has this product verify if it's the same as these links products or not? (from the look,its the same but the price is lower and quantity is bigger)
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?&id=520850350530
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?&id=43889169792
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?&id=520850350530
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Having read 41 pages of this thread it appears the Panasonic PGS soft pads, those with the "ZL" in the code, EYGS product code WITH "ZL", like for example EYG-S0612ZLWF, are just as good or better as the best thermal pastes, approaching LM, and with none of the issues of leaking all over the place? And as cheap as chips?
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These are good lists of all the EYG-SxxxxZLnn Panasonic products at the UK Digikey and UK Farnell:
https://www.digikey.co.uk/products/...ntity=0&ColumnSort=1000011&page=1&pageSize=25
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I wonder can the material, being spongy in nature, be stacked? I was thinking with the imprecise machining used for the Dell Alienware heatsinks and Clevos that require extra pressure to overcome the stiffness of the heatsink/heatpipes assembly and allow for better contact (paper clip methods etc), I was wondering would the spongy material make much better contact and fill uneven gaps much better than liquid pastes and ignore gravity as a bonus?
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- First tech stunk of weed had no idea how to disassemble the unit and used a flathead screwdriver to pry apart the laptop without removing the screws trashing the chassis. Went to depo and they couldn't fix it and an exchange was ordered.
-First replacement had a screen that was so bent inward that the lid wouldn't close. Again new tech, this tech received a defective panel where the wireless ground leads were damaged beyond repair. In addition he broke the wireless adapter when trying to put the old panel back on. Plus there was a piece of chewing gum with wrapper attached written in Kanjii that was used to secure the battery rather than tape. Exchange was issued and BBB was contacted.
-Second replacement a 15r3 was sent, requested a non-gsync unit. They sent a gsync unit. Asked for a motherboard change to a non-gsync and was told no. Exchange was issued.
-Third replacement was a 17r4. Display had terrible light bleed, and was overheating, sent to depot to replace the heatsink, display and top lid. New panel (assuming they changed it) was equally bad, couldn't tell if they changed the panel out or not. Complained again and I was sent a new bezel and heatsink. Pulled the bezel off and the display was definitely bad and not pressure on the panel. At this point I was told to pound sand and that they would neither issue another replacement or extend the warranty after almost 3 months worth of repairs. Right now I'm waiting on the BBB to go to arbitration or small claims court because ffs this was ridiculous. -
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So far for this one I've had to:
#1 Redo the bezel twice, and buy automotive trim tape to keep the display from creeking/crinkling from the ****ty adhesive they use.
#2 Repaste with PGS
#3 Spent hours trying to fix the Tobii camera
#4 Reset and reinstalled more times than I can count.
#5 Oh and replace just about every screw in the chassis because all of them had been stripped.
I almost don't want to know this unit's service history, the previous 13r3 I got had been repaired 6 separate times before it was sent to me so there's that....jaybee83 likes this. -
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These pads are complete garbage when used on high wattage CPU's. They may work okay when used between an IHS and heatsink, if the heatsink has high thermal transfer capabilities already (e.g. as a shim), when used on a delidded and LM'd CPU (LM between CPU and IHS), but attempting to use this in place of Liquid metal itself is completely atrocious and should NOT be attempted by anyone except for the "Why did I waste my life trying this?" factor. The base thermal characteristics are no better, and often worse than a decent high end paste (like Gel Maker Nano, Phobya Nanogrease Extreme or Kryonaut). Do NOT under ANY circumstances, attempt to use this as a makeshift copper shim replacement (for increased heatsink pressure) on a BGA CPU or GPU, with liquid metal on the CPU and CPU heatsink, as a "LM PGS sandwich!". Your results will be *HORRENDEOUS*! Your core temps (on a balanced heatsink) will be surprisingly tight, but the heat transfer itself will simply be horrible. Probably no better than Kryonaut. You will have to do your own testing, but expect your shim to fall on its face. Either use the pad itself, or use LM. don't use both. Or use regular traditional paste.
You may possibly have results similar to Kryonaut, without the problem of Kryonaut pumping out, if you use this as a LM sandwich, and the increasead pressure caused by the shim will keep more pressure on the heatsink (when part of the LM gets absorbed), and will also keep the heatsink from absorbing the LM already on the CPU, due to the PGS pad, but using LM+PGS to get Kryonaut type results isn't why anyone uses LM to begin with. Buy some Coolermaster Gel Maker Nano instead and do things the right way.
I want the 30 minutes of my life back after trying this on a 7820HK with liquid metal on both sides, as a shim. Anyone want to donate a free 30 minutes for the time I wasted? :/jaybee83 likes this. -
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At 4.7 ghz, the temps were completely skyrocketing with the PGS "sandwich" with LM. Completely unusable. Temps reached 85C in 10 seconds. That is not usable. With plain LM, the temps were fully under control (max mid 80's at maximum load). This is with a true vcore of 1.276v.
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For example during some gaming, my CPU was at 20%, nothing to write home about, but at the same time, and over a long time, it was pulling 45 Watts of power! Because some CPU instructions draw more power per amount of time, eg FPU instructions, so it all depends on what you are asking it to do at the time, and the best way to describe this is, and the only thing we care about, is the resulting watts, not some reported frequency or voltage.
I attach a photo so you can see, over a long time, CPU at 20% power at 45W
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oi! u guys having a BBQ here and no one invited me?
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Hey guys.
I wanna try IC Graphite pads. Do I cut exactly size of a chip, or little bit more is ok?
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I've been using mine for a good few months now, havent had any problems. I did exact size but you have to align it perfectly and make sure it doesnt move. Its also conductive so I would try to keep it away from vrm/resistors. Some have mentioned tape or nail polish glue and putting it on jic. Thats the risk I took and just aligned it and carefully mounted.KY_BULLET likes this. -
Update on this, I've installed on my 8970M in the M17x R2, and it does about 5-6 deg C better job cooling vs mastergel maker. Instead of stabilizing around 80 degC, it now stabilizes around 75 degC. I tightened the screws down quite a bit, to the point where I feared I may have cracked the die, but it did a good job improving temperatures! Plus, it's reusable! My slave card is running thermal compound still, I will post a crossfire bench soon to compare the difference.
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Has Maker Mano even been out for 2 years?
When I tested the IC pad on my r9 290X, it was 5C *worse* than Mastergel Maker.
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On the "Box" versions, it just says "Mastergel Maker."
On the tube, and on the "plastic" versions, it says Mastergel Maker Nano.
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But look at the box, brother Papusan.
http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/thermal-compound/mastergel-maker/
no blue "Nano" anywhere.
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You just completely confused me.
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I essentially traded my M15x today + 50$ for a 2017 RBP w/ 7700HQ + GTX 1060. Machine runs in the high 60s-low 70s range on stock thermal paste, undervolted. I will be trying IC graphite pads in here as well as soon as I find out the proper torx screw size.
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Anyway, since I have some of these graphite pads leftover, and I can't recall seeing this product tested in a RB/RBP, I thought I might as well try it before I move on to liquid metalVasudev likes this. -
Update: I applied the graphite pads to the CPU and GPU (7700HQ + GTX 1060), there was only negligible improvement in temperature (1-2 degrees Celsius), so my conclusion is the same as before: not enough pressure being applied by the heatsink to the graphite substrate. 7700HQ tops out around 65 degrees, gtx 1060 around 75. Tearing this thing down was a pain, hated having to do it once already. I will certainly be ordering more liquid metal and proper thermal pads (gelid) to see what difference that would make.
Sidenote: Whoever was head of thermal management in the Razer Blade division needs to be fired, pronto. They half assed the cooling in this computer to the point of danger. PCH has no cooling, memory modules for the VRAM are only half cooled....what a disaster. At least I have flat surfaces on the heatsink contact surface this time around, I know there are blades that exist only with heat pipes passing over the dies.Ashtrix, bennyg, aaronne and 1 other person like this. -
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My preference has been, and continues to be, liquid ultra.Arrrrbol, illuMinniti and Papusan like this. -
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for those who want to know why it's not recommended/under-performing on laptops, watch this video from" bob of all trade youtube channel"
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By the gods after going through the entire thread my head is
.But in conclusion (feel free to correct me) the soft pgs pad is **** even with good contact, works as a good sandwich between lm and better to go with with lm or phobya / gelid.
On the off note: what has been the better or best traditional paste after all this time + the best lm ? Why i ask is there is a lot of different opinions and would like to hear from experts.@ Mr. Fox, @Papusan
P.S in simple terms is the soft pgs pad good enough to replace traditional tim ?Last edited: Nov 29, 2018
IC Graphite Thermal Pad Available for Test and Review
Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Innovation cooling, Apr 9, 2018.