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    IC Graphite Thermal Pad Available for Test and Review

    Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by Innovation cooling, Apr 9, 2018.

  1. Mobius 1

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    30w run on X1C6, probably on par with the stock thermal paste.

    On idle, the heat spikes seems to be more frequent. Slow to absorb heat?
     
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    Yes that’s similar to what I was experiencing, performance on the CPUs and GPUs was similar to normal TIM (not the high end stuff)

    Innovation Cooling will be sending me pressure paper to check if the heatsink is making proper contact. Given my good results with CLU and liquid metal pad in the past I suspect the heatsink is making adequate contact but the pressure paper will tell for sure
     
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    Was expecting magic :(

    Anyways, I swapped to Kryonaut and now the temps are slightly better. I can push 30w for extended periods of time.

    I think for above 30w it needs liquid metal and very slight bending of the heatsink, Lenovo is using the same heatsink on the X1C5 (dualcore) on the X1C6 (quadcore).
     
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    Am I correct in saying that this graphite pad is no better than TG Kryonaut?
     
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    So far between @Mobius 1 and I, that seems to be the case. Waiting on the other test candidates to chime in.
     
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    a thermal pad coming even close to kryonaut performance would already be quite a feat! check my sig to see how far away regular thermal pads are from kryonaut paste ;)

    now imagine replacing thermal pads on gpus and cpu vrms with graphite pads :D RIP fujipoly ;) haha

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    That's disappointing. Giving its electrical conductivity, I will be sticking to Kryonaut.
     
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    Big advantage is that this is reusable and will not dry out, great for testing or one and done repairs/replacements.
     
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    So are these graphite pads SAFE to use on VRMs and chokes that have existing thermal pads on them?
    Or will they short something out ? (assuming you can actually get them in position and they dont "move jitter" out of position when applying the heatsink, shorting something out.

    That's assuming you stack them enough for proper distance. No, I'd never attempt that over good, sticky, solid and reusable Arctic pads, just asking.

    @Innovation cooling UPS still doesn't have the package. Please check with them. Are you guys sure you actually sent it out?
     
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    I don't have the balls to test on VRMs


    If you want to donate some balls so I can test please let me know
     
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    The pads are super thin and I'm afraid the will slip out if I move the laptop, don't exactly want to risk shorts
     
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    Got you covered ;)
     
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    Pressure paper is here, will test later this weekend!
     
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    Unfortunately, I experienced similarly poor results. I attempted to use the IC Graphite Thermal Pad on the P870DM-G with 8700K and GTX 1080 and the temps were higher than Phobya Nanogrease Extreme. Fit of the heat sinks appears to be excellent. I can see a clear impression in the pads showing the contact was solid, so I think we can rule that out between all of our test results. Even the markings from the heat sink that are used as a guide for the factory thermal pad left an impression in the pad, so there is no question the contact was solid.

    I ran a simple 3DMark Time Spy test to check CPU and GPU temps because it is a good representation of a higher than normal amount of real-world daily use stress on the CPU and GPU. CPU was overclocked at 4.8GHz and the GTX 1080 was overclocked to 1923 Core/1389 Memory with an undervolt locked at 0.963V. No further testing was required. I cannot use the product because my temps got worse, not better.

    Phobya NanoGrease Extreme
    CPU Package Max: 80°C | CPU Core Max: 79°C | GPU Core Max: 75°C

    IC Graphite Thermal Pad
    CPU Package Max: 90°C | CPU Core Max: 89°C | GPU Core Max: 83°C

    Time Spy - Temps with Phobya NanoGrease Extreme
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    Phobya NanoGrease Extreme Before Clean-up
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    IC Graphite Pad Placed on CPU
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    IC Graphite Pad Placed on GPU
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    Time Spy - Temps with IC Graphite Pad
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    Clear Impression in IC Graphite Thermal Pad (good contact)
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    Other side of pad showing impression of guide markings on CPU heat sink
    [​IMG]

    Edit: It doesn't really matter since we are looking at the delta of 10°C on CPU and 8°C on GPU, but someone is bound to ask... ambient temps were 70°F (21°C) before, during and after testing.
     
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    I never saw anything but superior fit of the heat sinks on the Alienware M17xR2, M18xR1, M18xR2 and Alienware 18. I am pretty confident that the pressure sensitive film will confirm it. Nobody makes laptops built as well as the pre-BGA Alienware systems, so @Raidriar is testing it in the best case scenario for laptops in terms of heat sink fit.

    Also, for the record... because I was running out of the paste I was using, I went back together with Thermal Grizzly Kryosnaut and the max temps running the same test are more or less right in the middle between the Phobya NanoGrease Extreme and IC Graphite Thermal Pad max temps.
     
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    I will test on the desktop 8700K maybe this weekend.
    Yes, this helps. In addition to removing the c-clips I also added washers under the screw heads to increase contact pressure. The coil springs are almost bottomed out, nearly touching coil-to-coil, so there is not much reliance on the pressure created by the flimsy springs.
    [​IMG]
     
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    interesting....so ure actually getting better temps when using Phobya NanoGrase Extreme as compared to Kryonaut?
     
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    Not surprising, phobya extreme is the best conventional paste out there. To be honest I’m not a fan of Thermal Grizzly.
     
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    Yes, definitely. It's good stuff. Not a huge difference, but a little bit. And, it is thicker paste, closer to IC Diamond viscosity, which really helps with laptops. Thick viscosity is also what helps make IC Diamond durable as well.
    It is really good stuff. Kryonaut works OK as long as everything fits properly. It is not worth a darn if the heat sinks are sloppy, and it is not as durable because it is thinner viscosity and more susceptible to pump-out. And, it's too expensive for what you get for the money. Phobya NGE is priced better, too.
    Thanks for finding that. You're like a living encyclopedia of forum posts at NBR. :vbthumbsup:
     
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    Actually pressure looks very light, big surface area PSI will be lower, boards can only handle so much. may only be 20 -30 PSI. I should have waited a day and sent the pressure tests along with it.
     
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    I will test with your pressure paper this weekend. Three notebooks from three different manufacturers (Dell, Lenovo, Clevo) in the hands of pros, with similar results is not looking good though. Maybe the surface area is not great enough for this material to be used vs desktop chips? But then again Fox has a desktop chip and he experienced similar results. It may just be none of the notebook heatsinks can provide enough pressure.
     
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    looks like ill have to get myself some phobya nanogrease extreme and do some testing ;) thx for pointing out the posts / info! @Papusan @Mr. Fox

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    Weirdly enough no matter how many tubes of Phobya Nano Grease i tried, i was always at least 3-4 C higher than Kryonaut :(

    Btw. did you empty out a whole tube on there!!? xD
     
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    Same thing for me.
    Nanogrease was always 2-3C higher than Kryonaut every time.
     
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    I buy the larger syringe sizes of thermal pastes, so that would make quite a mess. I apply both the same... spread a thin layer across the IHS. I always get 100% coverage with minimal excess squishing out the sides. Usually only a thin ridge around the perimeter of the contact surface.

    Yes, that is really strange. I've tested both on my desktop as well and the temps are almost the same on the desktop (like 1-2°C difference, which is so irrelevant that the difference is difficult to even validate). I consistently see slightly better temps on my laptops using Phobya NanoGrease Extreme. Maybe it has something to do with higher overclocks and more watts; or, maybe the thicker paste does better in a situation where contact is not as good and the Kryosnaut only falls a little bit shorter in that scenario. Otherwise, I have no explanation for the difference in experience.

    I have also noticed that separating the heat sink from the IHS (or GPU) using Phobya requires more force (like IC Diamond) to break the bond, whereas they are effortlessly separated using Kryosnaut because it is much thinner viscosity. I have to sort of twist and rock the heat sink with the thicker pastes and the heat sink more or less just lifts off with minimal effort using the Kryosnaut.
     
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    Oh same here! Still using the first giant Kryonaut syringe, the second one still hasnt been touched :S

    On the desktop KPC seems to work better for me, but not drastically better than Kryonaut. about 2 C or so at the most. My Phobya Nano grease is weirdly under performing. Im wondering if i have syringes from a bad batch, i bought like 7 in one go.
     
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    I am not sure. I've had really good results with it.

    Is KPC the Kingpin Cooling paste? I've never tried it. I thought it was only good for sub-zero cooling and not good for normal air or water cooling.
     
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    Yeah. Thats the one. Its nothing amazing for water/air cooling. I mainly bought it so that i can use it on my other workstation since its about to be hooked up to a chiller.
     
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    I still have same temps like Day 1 on Cooler Master MakerGel Nano even after a year. I just cleaned the vents every 2 weeks.
     
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    The LAST Thermal Paste you'll ever need??
     
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    I am going to get this asap to test on my 17R4 where it's impossible to get even temps. I wish I was an active member longer to get the sample!
     
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    Is it too late to try and request a sample? I lurk these forums but never really made an account until now, but I am interested in this
     
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    Same question as above me. If it's too late, when will they be available and for how much?

    Off the top of my head I could test these on i7-3720qm/Celsius H920, i3-2120/XC600 and on my workstation which has a 3770K along with an HR-02 Macho. So your basic questionable mounting pressure, medium ish and high.

    P.S. Shame that I don't visit here often enough
     
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    I just came across this thread. Really wish I hadn't been gone so much this year. I'd want to try this on my TR 1950X (need two pads), an older extreme edition mobile chip, and maybe replacing the Indigo Xtreme pad I'm using on the P770ZM. Either way, if none is left to test, I'll wait for more reviews and then go from there.
     
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    I'll test it. Just might be good for GPU's also??
     
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    If you can wait till the next week ill be testing these on my AW17R4, and then i can ship of over my remaining pads / extra to you if you want.

    Also these pads are by Panasonic and are available over at Mouser/Arrow/Digikey , if you know what to look for, in different thickness' - (pictured below - 0.5mm (EYG-T3535A05A) and 1.5mm (EYG-T3535A15A) - And are relatively cheap)
    There are bunch with different conductivity as well - https://www.arrow.com/en/manufactur...nt/accessories/thermal-management-accessories

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    Ordered 1 at Digikey thanks bloodhawk
     
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    dude, its literally one single post above yours :D
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    How would one sign up for this, if it is still available? I can't seem to find the PM option. I'm looking at doing some testing if your still offering tests. I'd be willing to test it on laptop and desktop CPUs plus GPUs, and give a good report on multiple websites. As you see I'm not 2yr on this forum, but have my years counted in on other such sites.
     
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    I'll sign up to test on my AW 17 if the testing is still available. Currently using kryonaut on it.
     
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    Hey. I just signed up for this website so I can't send a DM apparently, but I'm willing to test as well. I'm currently running a i7 4790k with a Noctua NH-D15. Currently using the NT-H1 Thermal Paste. Shoot me a DM if you're willing to send samples still and I may be able to reply.
     
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    I don't know if I'm too late to test, but I would be ok with buying it. I want to put it on my AW17 r4 7820hk/1080 and my desktop with 6700k (want to push it higher than it is, if I burn it up, I'll go to an 8700k)
     
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    i dont think there are any test samples left, there were only 10 to begin with.

    its funny to see new members popping in here right after the first reviews went live :D

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    Oops...saw the LTT review posted earlier in thread
     
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    Crap saw it too late to get a testing sample I suppose.

    Saw the LTT review this morning and thought it would be ideal to test this on an AW15R3. Got a 4c core different and even if it might be less ideal than for example ICD7, Kryonaut etc on the coolest cores. The hottest might benefit from this because of the lower heatsink pressure on 1 site. This thicker pad might act similar to a copper shim in this case and thus make the pressure larger.

    Would gladly pay for it to get it in my hands ASAP.
     
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    Sign me up if it still up for trials. I saw this on linus tech tips and i would love to see how it preforms against a 9590 fx, that sucker gave me soo much heat issues like no tomorrow.
     
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