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    New Aorus X5 (GTX 965M SLI) and X3 (GTX 970M)

    Discussion in 'Gigabyte and Aorus' started by Nand@, Jan 6, 2015.

  1. tusng

    tusng Notebook Enthusiast

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    X5 Firestrike results. Those were the best I could get - different drivers than the recommended version. With the recommended drivers, I get around 7990, and I'm rolling with the recommended right now (to avoid a few bugs).
     
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    I have my doubts. I've seen several such listings from resellers that never get the panel you're looking for in stock. That's how they can undercut the 'competition' by so much. Heck, this is even a panel in a high enough demand that not all first-tier Clevo resellers have a surplus. Though $400+ seems a bit too much, $75 is definitely not enough for a state-of-the-art IGZO display.

    http://www.laptopscreen.com/English/screen-part-number/LQ156D1JW04/
    http://www.elecok.com/lq156d1jw04-15-6-igzo-tft-lcd-panel-for-sharp.html

    Notice how Laptop Screen has the same wrongful specifications and lack of stock. Shoddy work. Others will avoid listing the specifications and make you contact them only to be informed that they don't actually carry any stock.
     
  3. stamar

    stamar Notebook Prophet

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    I agree i have found it for 270 on ebay. More realistic.
    Down the road it will be that cheap 100 bucks or so.
     
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    You found the LQ156D1J X01 (glossy), right? I haven't seen the D1JW04 on eBay yet, though ~$300 should be a realistic price for that panel in today's market as well. I also requested a price quote from laptiptop. Fingers crossed that they have it in stock and at a reasonable price.
     
  5. stamar

    stamar Notebook Prophet

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    I dont even have my laptop yet lol so im just ghost shopping.
    Do you already need 4k?
    Theres something about the izgo technology thats about to make it the very cheapest screen so there will be cheap ones im sure.

    By the time id take that project on an early adopter will have taken apart his lcd i hope
     
  6. tusng

    tusng Notebook Enthusiast

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    Do you guys really need an aftermarket screen? The screen on the X5 is hands-down the most beautiful laptop display I've ever seen, far outdoing my Razer Blade 14" IGZO 4K panel.
     
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    stamar Notebook Prophet

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    I was about to mention the panasonic 3k screen is so far as i know the best laptop screen in the world.
    The sharp 4k screen is thr best 4k screen.
    It would be better for 4k movies.
    But as far as for gaming this is the best screen in thr world we can game on for fallout 4 etc .

    For those 4k movies i could foresee switching the panel.
    But i want months as is and possibly pursue a large 4k monitor for movies
     
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    mine arrives on monday, going to stick with the screen, 3k is MORE than enough at 15inch.
     
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  9. stamar

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    Mine is still in phase 1 no idea when it arrives. Totally made a terrible mistake going with xotic pc
    I wish i had a good story to relay on them but they have given me a run around.
    Last message was they were doing part allotment on monday. So thst will be 10 ays after i paid for it. It could be a long time after that. So if i dont get an answer monday to my liking im cancelling and buying it from excalliber pc with an aorus backpack

    So who knowd what game they are playing either taking an order that they dont have stock for or what.
    If theres a rep they may have some story about it.
     
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  10. M0rdresh

    M0rdresh Notebook Consultant

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    I can recommend HIDevolution.com, my order process was good with them.
    I understand things can go not as planned, that ok, but communication is key so your customer remains informed.
     
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    I'll get mine later today, so I'm pretty much in the same boat. I don't need a higher ppi, but 3840x2160 is a more desirable resolution than the odd 3K resolutions we're seeing on gaming laptops. 3K can be better when gaming at native resolution or when scaling doesn't work properly. A 4K panel can, however, display 1080p content perfectly by using four pixels to represent a single pixel in a 1080p image, thus eliminating blurring. Then there's industry adoption: when mainstream content such as movies is taken beyond 1080p, the next step is 4K, not 3K. Aside from being slightly dimmer, the LQ156D1JW04 delivers a better image with a wider gamut and contrast ratio, which is even more important to me than its resolution. One major caveat is that we don't know yet if the swap would mean the sacrifice of G-Sync — a worthwhile feature in the X5's setup, no doubt.

    What is that you've read about IGZO manufacturing being on the verge of getting significantly cheaper?
    The Panasonic VVX16T028J00 is a stellar performer, but it's a far cry from what someone that relies heavily on accurate reproductions for their work would uses, not that they'd necessarily be satisfied with the Sharp panel either. The panel used in the Blade's screen is not directly comparable to the LQ156D1JW04 since it's glossy, has a lower resolution, lower color space coverage, lower contrast ratio, and worse brightness distribution. When compared to the X5's panel, the two have similar sRGB coverage, but the Blade's covers AdobeRGB better (not relevant to most users) and has a bit higher contrast ratio. Both the X5 and Blade have good factory calibration and better-than-average image qualities; I just happen to be picky enough to see Aorus deciding not to go with 4K IGZO after all as a sore loss. To be fair, the prototype they showed off with 4K IGZO didn't have a matte display, so they never used the LQ156D1JW04 panel that I would have preferred.
     
  12. stamar

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    Like i said i dont have it yet
    When i get it im going to be happy to game in 3k. 3k is the best resolution for pc gaming
    But im not even familair with 4k screen gaming
    It is even possible that dx12 will make our machines better at 4k gaming. If the x5 i buy can run fallout 4 in 4k im likely to upgrade sometime next year
    I dont see myself watching lots of movies on my laptop. But if i did id want the 4k screen.
    Somebody will do it and make a video.
    Maybe even these clevo aorus resellers.

    Oh
    Sharp is selling its japanese factories to foxconn
    Foxconn is the worlds largest electronics manufacturing company. And obviously makes iphones.
    So those two together mean this will be the cheapest thing going
    Izgo is cheaper than led. The cost is just in manufacturing
    Once the factories in china have izgo it will be the cheapest tech used.

    Foxconn means cheap. It means iphone.
    Izgo technology will eventually be everywhere. It will not even be on expensive screens it will be on microwaves.

    Foxconn owns controlling shares of sharp. It is a taiwan stockmarket prediction for you.
    Buy foxconn
     
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  13. stamar

    stamar Notebook Prophet

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    Im in cali. So if i need to buy from a ca company it costs me 200 in tax.
    Excaliberpc is 15 miles away from me and hidevolustion andnprostar and newegg are all in la.
    If i have to pay for it i want it here the next day
     
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    For what it matters
    I found the old version of rhe acer v15 for 1000 with this lcd panel.
    860m
    So buy it and switch. If the connection were the same.
     
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    I only tested 4X M.2 SSD so far but I can check 3X M.2 SSD this Monday.
     
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    So, stamar, my experience might help you. I had the Razer Blade 14" 2014. It had a beautiful 4K panel. But when I compare the two - I can't tell the difference between pixels unless I am looking at the screen very closely. Furthermore, the X5's screen "pops" more and everything looks better, more clear, easier to see, because it's matte - meaning you don't have to force your brain to look through the reflection on a glossy 4K panel.

    If you really want 4K, then I recommend picking up an external monitor that does 4K. If you only want the best gaming experience, try picking up an ultrawide monitor instead (1440p ultrawides are bliss).
     
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    No the razer blade also has a 3k screen. Its 3200 by 1800 so slightly larger.
    So youre a bit off. It is a sharp screen izgo. Glossy.
    There are a lot of laptops with the 4k izgo screen though.
    They are mostly matte also. Some asus dell acer. Clevo

    So quite different the blade screen. Izgo is just the backlight. 3k is the resolution. Ips is the viewing angle.
    You would see the difference in a 4k screen in 4k movies.
    But i dont really see the need yet.

    Im sure ill be happy with the screen it has for a long time.
    It was part of why i chose this over thr gs60 ghost pro to game in 3k
     
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    You mean this piece of news? Who owns the factory shouldn't matter much. It's still on Japanese ground, meaning a high-cost labour force, and this takeover doesn't lend the factory a breakthrough in the manufacturing process to reduce cost. I agree that price will drop over time as the technology matures, but I don't think we have enough to go by to predict a sudden and major price drop.

    Even if Apple relies more heavily on Foxconn than most, Foxconn is big enough to have the tech industry as a whole reliant on them. Last I checked, iPhones weren't dirt cheap. Sure, the iPhone may have a higher profit margin than most other smartphones out there, but the BOM isn't all that different from other current generation high-end smartphones. IGZO is cheaper than OLED, but not (LED-lit) LCD. I fail to see how the advantages of IGZO would justify the extra cost when used in home appliances.
    IGZO stands for Indium Gallium Zinc Oxide and is a transparent compound semiconductor produced by Sharp. It's what the pixels are made of and the main advantage of the semiconductor is its higher conductivity, which in turn allows screens to be made denser than traditional aSi TFTs and the power draw of each pixel to be lower. IGZO displays usually have an LED light source. In-plane switching (IPS) is the name of a display technology that allows for greater viewing angles than traditional TN panels; it's not a certification. In LCDs that make use of in-plane switching, the molecules of the liquid crystal layer between the glass substrates are arranged differently than in a TN matrix. IPS is not applicable to IGZO since the molecules in the LC layer are obviously differently arranged and oriented when the silicon semiconductor has been replaced.
    You know what? You're absolutely right. I might actually see myself being happy with the Panasonic panel for the entire lifespan of the notebook. Since the full 8GB of VRAM becomes available when upgrading to Windows 10, the Aorus X5 handles 3K G-Sync gaming with aplomb. I thought a DirectX 12 title would be needed to make use of the secondary graphics card's VRAM, and that perhaps the graphics cards would even have to support DirectX 12 natively, but sure enough, when I fired up GTA V, a DirectX 11 title, the settings screen greeted me with 8109 MB of available video memory. * At 3K on a 15.6" display, the pixel density is high enough for MSAA to become more or less redundant, which in turn means that there's not a whole lot to be gained visually from native gaming at 4K on this screen size, not that I was planning to render at a resolution that high. A 4K panel could still become tempting from a scaling standpoint when next-gen titles become too demanding for the graphics hardware to keep up at 3K, but as of now, 3K strikes a good balance for this notebook.

    There's also Windows scaling to take into account. Going from Windows 8 to 10 may actually be a step backwards in that regard. Even if 4K at 200% scaling can be better than 3K at 150 or 175% scaling, Windows 10 has not made any advances when it comes to elements that don't scale at all. I have good enough eyesight to be able to read the text in those comically small windows without squinting, but I can't say for sure if I'd struggle or not if they had shrunk further due to an even higher resolution. A 4K panel would be able to run Windows at 1080p very well, but that'd be a sacrifice from a productivity and clarity standpoint.

    Then there's video. As stated before, the PPI is high enough to not gain much by going from 3K to 4K, but what about scaling? With the X5, you have enough power to even enable demanding luma and chroma doubling using NNEDI3 in madVR along with the usual CPU-bound scaling techniques. Despite all commercial video content being made in a resolution that differs from the X5's, scaling is not an issue if you can live with some fan noise.

    What about the image quality by itself? Sure, ~600:1 is a little on the short side, slight light bleeding along the edges can become apparent, and a tad richer blacks and colour coverage would have lent demanding images that extra bit of depth, but from a media consumption perspective, the panel is very nice. The fine-grained matte coating, high pixel density, and good factory calibration make the display thoroughly pleasant to behold. Maybe I'll sing a different tune once the bliss of having a new notebook has subsided.


    *Could anyone chime in on the available video memory in GTA V? Wouldn't Microsoft have made a bigger splash about Windows 10's ability to combine VRAM in SLI setups if it also worked on non-DX12 titles? Is GTA V reporting more VRAM than it's able to allocate, perhaps combining VRAM with slower CPU RAM as a result?
     
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    Foxconn will bring izgo to its factories in china. There it will become the cheapest technology.
    It will make screens on everything cheaper
    China foxconn mass produced cheap.
    It is difficult to contradict this.


    I havent seen thr 8gb ram thing im excited to see it thursday

    Yes dx 12 will combibe the ram of sli gps. And add in igpu to it. I posted about it here in this forum
     
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    Update on the RAID-0 performance, 3X RAID seem perform the way it should be:

    Stock 2X SSDs RAID-0:

    Aorus-X5-Crystal Disk Mark-1.JPG

    3X SSDs RAID-0:

    Aorus-X5-Crystal Disk Mark-2.JPG
     
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    The factory Foxconn's parent company took over is state-of-the-art. Can you link me to information that states concrete plans for Foxconn or Sakai Display Products to set up manufacturing plants in China capable of pumping out IGZO panels? What about information that IGZO will become cheaper than the more established traditional LCD that Foxconn among others already produce?

    I know what changes DX12 bring, and I have read your post. What I'm asking is why VRAM combining appears to be happening on a DX11 title.
     
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    For the X5 I´ve seen both 150W and 200W for the adapter. Can anyone confirm it´s 200W? 150W seems way to little for SLI.
     
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    Yep, it's 200W 19.5V 10.3A. The model that came with mine is the Nippon Gigabyte Corp. ADP-200FB D (HP makes a similar one).
     
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