***Gigabyte P35X owner's lounge***

Seems like power issue. 180w is not enough for OC.

 

No, that's not what I meant. I mean to say; when overclocked it didn't drop below 1127MHz - the maximum stock boost clock for the 980M. But when running stock clocks it does drop below 1127MHz, often.

EDIT: I'm observing the same behavior in the Tomb Raider benchmark. Clocks are not dropping below 1127MHz - infact, they are staying well above that! This is most peculiar...

 

I had contact with mister Schneider from XMG.

The refreshed model of the XMG C504 will be available for purchase starting this december.

The P35X V3 they will sell will feature the same customization options as the XMG C504 (P35W V2). Go check their website for what those options are exactly.

 

If I buy a 1TB HDD and swap it in the optical drive can i use it in RAID 0 with the stock 1TB HDD? Does it have to be the same model? Some guidance on this would be nice

 

Curious about this too. I expect any HDD with the same size and RPM will be compatible. But maybe it has to be the exact same model.

 

I believe it's in Thai, not arab

 

I am going back and forth on a few laptops and which to buy.
In terms of the P35X v3 it seems the main issues are with throttling and it not being a cool system. Now I am not techy and definitely dont know about any advanced computer procedures so I am thinking is it any point in me even getting this laptop with its issues if I cant improve it by repasting and unvolting the CPU.
Sorry for being so basic, theres alot of knowledgeable people on this thread.

 

Sure, just take a look at the benchmarks on the first page of this topic and you can see the performance is pretty amazing without any repasting or even without a laptop cooler.

And there are some resellers that can do the thermal paste for you like XoticPC

 

Careful, I believe results on the first page were measured with external cooler.

Cakefish posted results without cooler and before he did repasting and undervolting somewhere deep in this thread later on. Most of results in this thread are with some attempts to control temperatures (repasting, cooler, undervolting).

I tried to keep track of "out-of-box" results, what you would get with P35X v3 without doing anything:

Cakefish
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Batman Arkham City (3K, no AA): max CPU 91 C, max GPU 77 C (CPU thermal throttling)
Just Cause 2 - Dark Tower (3K, no AA): max CPU 91 C, max GPU 77 C (CPU thermal throttling)
Just Cause 2 - Desert Sunrise (3K, no AA): max CPU 88 C, max GPU 77 C
Just Cause 2 - Concrete Jungle (3K, no AA): max CPU 90 C, max GPU 78 C

Unigine Heaven 4.0: max CPU 91 C, max GPU 85 C (CPU thermal throttling, GPU power throttling)
Unigine Valley 1.0: max CPU 91 C, max GPU 84 C (CPU thermal throttling, GPU power throttling)

hallengreenn
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Unigine Heaven 4.0: max CPU 92 C, max GPU 87 C (GPU thermal throttling)
Unigine Heaven 4.0: max CPU 87 C, max GPU 87 C (GPU thermal throttling)(with CPU disabled Turbo Boost in ThrottleStop)

VModTech
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3dmark skydiver: max CPU 91 C, max GPU 80 C
3dmark firestrike: max CPU 91 C, max GPU 80 C
3dmark firestrike extreme: max CPU 91 C, max GPU 79 C

 

Look at the performance without cooler and without repasting, frame rate and benchmark scores are still amazing for this laptop despite higher temps compared to using a laptop cooler and repasting.

If you are comfortable with a large bulky desktop replacement, obviously DTR form factor has better cooling and you can even get one with desktop CPU. However if you need a slim, portable 15" laptop, this is the only one on the market with 980m 8GB VRAM.

 

Yup, fully agree There didn't seem to be any noticeable effect on performance, even with those temperatures and throttling. Just those 90s C are scary, bear in mind now it's autumn, it'll get worse in summer, ambient temps can be +10 C vs today .

We shall also see how Clevo P650SG performs, that's another thin-ish notebook with GTX 980M yet to be released.

 

If you can hold out another month the P751ZM and P771ZM are on their way to replace the P-15x series w/ a Desktop counterpart giving you everything from both the p35x and p651 just at the cost of losing optimus and battery power lol, meaning you can utilize an external monitor w/ the gpu vs the igpu.

For me right now, i"m leaning more towards the gigabyte, the ONLY down side is just the amount of RAM HOWEVER!!!!! COMMA... according to multiple sources from gigabyte they DO support 2x16gb sticks (which has yet to be proven by anyone YET) however should I get this I plan embark on my quest with 3 other valiant warriors to claim the 4 crystal orbs establish order and request 2 of these legendary sticks from the King of tech as my reward to see if they are rightfully fit for this system, and than all shall ring about the forums in thine folly of this grand occasion. However until then we've no clue

 

Also had my eye on the P650SG, but wish they had decided to go with the 8GB 980M instead of 4GB.

 

What do you mean about utilizing an external monitor with the gpu ? It's not doable on the p35x ?

The P751ZM is heavy and thick, nothing you can compare with the p35x.

Why would you need more than 16 Gb or RAM ? (Just being curious : ))

 

Don't forget the 4 cell battery! Clevo's "NEVER FORGET THE BATTERY LIFE OF A DTR" salute to us!

 

Trying to record ShadowPlay footage of Crysis 3 bit the frame counting software, whether it be Fraps or MSI Afterburner is causing massive periodic frame drops like clockwork every 20 seconds or so. It's really weird...

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

Currently getting to grips with this laptop. Love the display, love the battery life - guessing at something around 5 or 6 hours. Finding the portability to be good too: it's not too heavy for me to actually use as a *lap*top. Am finding that I like it overall.

I've had 4 bluescreens in the last 24 hours - VIDEO_DXGKRNL_FATAL_ERROR - my theory is it might be to do with the fact I moved the drivers on to 344.60 via geforce experience, from 344.42 via smart update, although I have installed many games and have been messing about with bluetooth/ps3 controllers. Have rolled the video driver back to 344.42 so I'll see how I fare over the next few days...am left wondering if downloading drivers direct from nvidia could cause problems? Thought those days were over? Much has been installed however so the culprit may lay elsewhere.

@mnwforever - if it helps your deliberations: I'm not a techie either (compared to most here) - I don't think anyone other than enthusiasts will be repasting their cpus and gpus. There is sufficient horsepower to drive modern games at reasonable resolutions and quality settings (for my taste. it is really subjective. am sure there are many on these forums who would argue that thin and light laptops cannot meet their expectations). For me, I won't be running games at settings that result in throttling of cpu. It's such a step change in performance since my last laptop!

 

Thanks. That's what I thought. 16KB is default on Intel RST>

In my testing on Intel RST, 128KB is best. Gives you the best overall performance. You might sacrifice just a very tiny amount latency on smaller writes, but throughput will generally be higher in my testing. Truth be told, I haven't tested this on the latest Intel RST drivers and X79/X99 chipsets, but in all the array sets I run, higher stripe on SSD up to a certain point is always better. I run 256KB stripes on 4x drive RAID-0 SSD's on a dedicated RAID controller.

 

I can vouce for GC Extreme, as I use it on my GPU's/CPU's on my desktop which is heavily water cooled and I DO crank the performance up to every bit I can get, and its been almost a year now and still performing solid. No drops in temps, I'll take a pic later around December/Jan when I clean out my loops.

 

Yes 128KB is a little better than 16 or 64 if you work with a lot of large files, like video editing stuff.

Never tried 256KB before.

 

Solved! It was triple buffering that was the culprit. Disabled it in NVIDIA Control Panel. Edit: dammit I thought it worked but the issue came back :/

 

Just a question to all of those who own laptops: is the amount of problems cakefish has been having with his laptop normal? It just seems like every time he trys to do something something stops working.

 

I think Cakefish tries to embody his avatar - he is perfect Dr. Zoidberg

 

haha now i'm imagining Cakefish's post in that voice

 

The bug I mentioned earlier that was affecting Crysis 3 & FRAPS (basically massive framerate drops) did not impact Shadow Warrior. Guess it may be a DX11 related issue?

Who wants some Wang?



EDIT:

 

Hmm, well fu** me sideways. My GPU is hotter than anyone else here. :O
But nice collected mate!

 

Hey Cakefish,
Just wondering what kind of HDD/SSD you ended up going with. My budget is around 100/150USD. Would an extra 1tb HDD in the optical bay work with RAID 0? Or should I just get a 256GB SSD? Are hybrid drives any good? What would you recommend with that budget?

Sorry for all the questions, your answers are much appreciated

 

Well, at least in the Netherlands, even without AC, room temperature is always 20C. During winter we use our central heating systems and during summer we use our isolated walls, to keep room temp at 20C, even if its 30C outside

 

Could be CPU throttling in Crysis 3 causing framerate drops, it's intense on the CPU, you were going to test CPU & GPU clock stability through an extended Crysis 3 gaming session.

 

Actually properly finally 100% solved now. It was Origin in-game overlay that was the troublemaker. Crysis 3 footage coming later today! Spoiler: The 980M can play @3K max settings (w/ FXAA) averaging ~30fps. Also, dialling a few settings back can obtain VERY playable results at 3K!

More good news... my Coolermaster Notepal U3 cooler arrived today. 71°c in FireStrike just led on the stand fell to 68°c with the 3 cooling fans on full power, aligned with the vents on the laptop.

Even better news... P35X v3 can maintain an overclock of +135MHz core, +200MHz memory in Crysis 3 with a max GPU temp of 87°C (left it running with 99% GPU load for about 25 minutes) and never being throttled below 1200MHz (throttling was power-related rather than thermally-related)

 

I'm really quite curious to know what it was Gigabyte did to the P35x here to improve that cooling effectiveness. Is there a picture of the guts floating around anywhere that I may have missed?

 

See if you can record CPU & GPU clocks over the whole process so people can get a bigger picture on the CPU & GPU during a gaming session. Good news that your GPU held such high frequencies during your Crysis 3 testing so far - I'm surprised given the throttling you saw in Heaven benchmark earlier. For your power throttling you could do with working out if it's a limitation of the power adapter, or something in the vBIOS - if you had a KillaWatt meter you could find out how much the power adapter was drawing from the wall, if it was over 180W and you were getting power throttling of the GPU then you could more safely assume you could fix it by upgrading the power adapter. (You might be getting power throttling of the CPU too if that's the case, although you're struggling to keep that under control temperature wise anyway. You might find that in some game areas where you have high CPU & high GPU loading that you'll hit this power limitation more severly resulting in bigger CPU & or GPU throttling - it's really only possible to know by monitoring it over a long session in a variety of areas within the game.)

 

Have decided to just go for it and have preordered the P35W from scan, along with a 500GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD to replace the ITB HDD (which I will probably use in the swappable caddy as a backup drive.

It should get here in a week (i.e. Monday/Tuesday 17th/18th).

Had been thinking of waiting for XMG so that they could do a repaste and swap out the HDD, but although I probably won't now do a repaste (been awhile since I did something like that and I haven't really got the time now a days), it won't take long to put in the SSD and I didn't think they could beat the price of £1480 (or just under) for the lot.

 

From what I know they increased the number of leaflets on
the fan.

 

Would it be possible to upgrade the fans by the way ?

 

Consider modding your fans with aftermarket 120mm's and a fan controller for a little more cooling.

Hopefully, my laptop arrives today. Got a 500gb Samsung 840 Evo msata ssd for OS and programs while my 1TB Samsung 840 Evo msata ssd will be here Tues (going to find out if 1TB works or 500gb is max).

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

 

I did. CPU sat at a steady 2.6-2.7GHz, being throttled due to heat. GPU, like I mentioned earlier did not throttle below 1200MHz overclocked & at stock clocks it doesn't dip below base clock. Like you say, will have to monitor framerate more closely, I only tested one section of the game.

 

So my package arrived at the delivery facility... which is just a few minutes from where I work. Time for that extended lunch.

 

That's good about the GPU, not so great on the CPU, that might limit you on some games, but not many at 60Hz gaming. No, I didn't talk about monitoring framerate more closely, I talked about monitoring CPU & GPU frequency over an extended gaming session. Ultimately, the CPU doesn't matter as much for gaming, if you can keep your GPU at a constant 1200Mhz in all games that would be awesome (but you don't want your CPU going below the 2.6Ghz you mentioned - I have a 2.6GHz CPU in my laptop and it doesn't limit me much, and yours is more efficient per clock due to small architectural advancements since Sandybridge so you'll be fine if it can maintain at least 2.6GHz).

 

Yeap, mine to and sadly no extended lunch for me. TBH, since the hype is over, it wouldn't bother me if it arrived tomorrow since thats when my 1TB msata SSD arrives and I can do it all at once.

 

I got quite some goals for mine, but not all my tools have arrived yet. That and there are still parts coming in.

 

Mine was with the delivery courier at 10:30AM EST (courier notification was in Rochester, I'm in Ithaca, not sure how long it will be)! I've got a project deadline tonight, and I don't know how well I'll be able to concentrate on finishing if I don't get this thing now!

My compile times are going to zoom down, considering my work computer is still my super-old T500 in Debian (wheezy), and the bottleneck for my work is currently HDD read/write, CPU speed and graphics performance. I have to use this relic because it's the only laptop I have with a battery longevity greater than an UPS (also it's less than half as massive). I'm uncannily excited for this shipment!

 

Notebook check has German p35x v3 review up. Test Gigabyte P35X v3 Notebook - Notebookcheck.com Tests

Google translate to English : https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.notebookcheck.com%2FTest-Gigabyte-P35X-v3-Notebook.129549.0.html&edit-text=&act=url

 

This is Crysis 3 we're talking about, one of the most CPU demanding games in the history of ever

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

What's your point?

 

Nice. Now just wait for another reliable site to write another review, then I can flip the coin and make my decision: P35X with slim chassis, IPS display, and 980m, run a little hot and loud; or GT72 2QD with larger storage option, upgradable 970m, cooler and quieter, but TN panel and so large.

Regards.

 

Short summary of the most important keypoints for those who don't know German:

1. Excellent display - especially colour saturation and image sharpness are very good, no colour distortion whatsoever, viewing angle from above is not very good though

2. No full turbo - in games the CPU core did throttle below base core, word for word translation: " The turbo boost is basically non-existent in 3D-applications".

3. Noise: Quiet in idle mode, but fans occasionally ramp up to 36dBa for no reason. Very loud under medium load (50dBa), annoyingly loud under max load (55dBa).

4. Heat: 50C in they keyboard area, 60C at the bottom. 88C on the GPU :/

5. Battery: 1,5 hours under load.

6. Sound: Bad.

 

Having been with Clevo systems for long enough, laptop speakers will forever remain a disappointment to me before my Astro A50's.

Temperatures were expected from the thin chassis with those parts. Here's to hoping it can be improved after some fiddling around.

Noise from fans? Can probably add something to dampen the sound, not a big issue.

Battery under load is of course bad. However it lasts 6 hours idle, meaning roughly 4 hours of simple tasks.

Once I get a compatible AC adapter for 200W or more, I can fully work on temps...

 

Yeah, the CPU is really nerfed in the P35x, often the case with these really thin laptops, but useful to know for those people that don't feel like they have to have the thinnest & lightest laptop at all cost and are on the fence about buying one.

 

Finally a full review. I am all but certain now that the p35x or p35w are not got me. Its too hit and everything I have read thus far about the gs60 is that it's much much cooler. 3gb VRam is a bit of a negative but I ain't that bothered as the 3gb version of 970m still seems to hit the sweet spot. Really g the idea if the odd/Hdd combo but it's no biggie. Thanks to Cakefish and hallengreen for there feedback on this forum, enjoyed following it for the last few day's.