Dell G3 in house! What do you need to know?

I’m asked weekly if not daily if the 17” version would do better. I have yet to state and flat out “yes”. Your post further confirms this.

I would repaste it anyway to be honest. Any new BIOS updates for that machine yet?

Undervolt the GPU via MSI Voltage Curve Editor too!

I had to do both of those AND use liquid metal to get exceptable temps on the 15” G3 under my thermal testing.

 

Hi Bob, do you think those laptop cooling pads with fans would help the temps? I see these pads blowing air up towards bottom of the laptop instead of sucking the air away like I originally suspect.

 

Try repasting first, it's easy on the G3.

You can also try underclocking with ThrottleStop, I have a G5 with a 8750H with an underclock+undervolt at 3.4 GHz for gaming , when the CPU and the GPU need to share cooling capacity. 81 C for the CPU and 78 C for the GPU when room temperature was a hot 32 C. It allows much more granularity than disabling TurboBoost.

With that said, those temperatures are too high for a 8300H, even if you lost the silicon lottery, it's possible that the cooler isn't sitting flush on the CPU, I'd check that.

 

I remember watching one of the reviews on youtube that there's a power option when selected will limit battery charging level to say 90% to decrease battery degradation IF YOU ARE PLUGGED IN ALL THE TIME. But I can't seem to find it?

 

The Dells that have it usually implement it in the BIOS (the Dell software in Windows can also change the BIOS settings).

I generally prefer the BIOS method.

According to the Service Manual, the G3 15" does have such an option. In the BIOS, under Power Management, Primary Battery Charge Configuration.

https://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/g-series-15-3579-laptop_service-manual_en-us.pdf

 

found it under power manager. thanks

 

I'm trying to undervolt the cpu with throttlestop but upon restart it doesn't stick? I watched Bob's video on using Obsidian Tool but I can't figure out how to download it from https://www.obsidian-pc.com/en/downloads#files/OBSIDIAN TOOL ?

 

Throttle stop needs to be running to at all times to make the undervolting stick.



Near the end of that video he shows how to set up a task so it always runs on log in. Another alternative would be to use the Intel XTU tool but sometimes that doesn't stick when you wake your laptop from sleep.

 

what's that program he runs on game screen to see temps and clock speed? Edit: I found it MSI afterburner

Also does the video mostly applicable to i5 8300h? like unticking BD PROCHOT and change speedshift to 0 and changing CPU cache?

I think my I5 8300h is running very hot. With bios turboboost on, my temp is 54/87. With turboboost off, 45/84. Both under light tasks like watching videos and steam game downloading in the back.
I tried playing Doom and about 15min in, GPU temp around 80 and CPU around mid 90. This is with only CPU&cache undervolting -0.145V. Yikes

 

I have my i5 set to -0.165mV, I don't have Afterburner running so I don't see live updates on my temps while I play games but it's usually in the low to mid 80s. On just a CPU stress test I am in the high 70s to low 80s. Idle is usually in the high 40s for me. I also use a laptop stand since I needed one with my old laptop, it started to run in the 60s just surfing the net lol

As for BD PROCHOT and speedshift I would assume it should be applicable to the i5 as well but I'm not sure, maybe someone more knowledgeable on the CPUs can chime in. I use XTU to undervolt though I may try throttlestop and was probably going to adjust those settings too to see if it makes a difference.

 

Is there anyway to limit turbo boost to a lower clock speed like 3.0 instead of 3.9 on the i5 8300h? Turning off turboboost improved my temps greatly to 37/60 while playing Doom and still maintain 120fps.

I'm also looking into undervolting the 1060 max q. Right now it's at around 60c under load @1671 Mhz max (with CPU turbo off. It gets to like 80c with CPU turbo on). From what I see online, the max q max clock should be 1480Mhz. Not sure why it's clocked at normal 1060 speed @ 1671 Mhz.
Anyway I was watching Bob's guide
The goal is to have the card run at as low voltage as possible which is 800-825 mV. So since my max clock seems to be 1671 Mhz, wouldn't it make more sense to have one straight line running across at 1900 (my curve flatline at 1911 but from what I understand I can probably have the line at 1800 or 1700). Or may be 2nd dot from the left on at 1900. So this will make the GPU constant at 800mV because it will never get to 1900.

I'm new to all this stuff and still trying to make sense of everything. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

EDIT: alright flat line at 1900 doesn't make sense because it's essentially OC to 1900 at 800mV.
I think I figure out how: open up a demanding game and alt+tab. There will be a dashed line at where the max clock speed is and the dashed line will cut the curve at 1 or 2 points. In my case the line is at 1670. Ignore everything on the right of the intersection (or drag them all down to the dashed line) and only work with the ones on the left of the intersection. One by one test out what lower voltage can still maintain max speed.

 

Out of curiosity, what temps are you guys seeing when CPU is being maxed with turbo-boost on (mine is mid-high 90s)? I am not 100% against during a repaste of the CPU, but I've only repasted once before...not that comfortable with my ability to do so without ****ing something up. I should mention that I am still within the return period for mine, so I've been wondering if I should just exchange/return lol.

ps: Already tried undervolting to -135mv in Intel XTU, no temps change because I think it turbos and increases power draw, ignoring my value.

 

Yes mine is the same. This thing is hot with turbo. Regarding undervolting: try look at our max VID value in HWmonitor. Without offsetting, your max VID will be higher. Test it with turbo on and off and you will see. (click on view -> clear min max every time you change settings)

I'm gonna try repasting liquid metal as soon as it arrive. Bob has a video on exactly that

 

But then again I'm seeing better temps everyday. I used to see temps closer to 100 but now I'm only seeing high 80s with spikes low 90s. Two things I tried are undervolting CPU by -150mV and mess around with undervolting GPU.

 

Tempted to give this laptop a try, just concerned about screen quality.
Can anybody link me to the best screens to update in the UK.

Looking for best colour and brightness, 60hz is fine.

 

Here's my experience on the subject.

I phoned/emailed all those retailers and all of them only had compatible panels even when they listed the exact reference of the LCD panel on their website/eBay page. Ultimately, only dallexpress.com in France actually had what I was looking for, a high-gamut, colour accurate panel, it was the Samsung LTN156HL01 but it's expensive, at a hundred quids.

On the other hand, the UK is still in the EU, so no customs taxes and VAT is already included.

 

Thanks for that information, helps a lot.

 

Anyone tested VR on this device (i7-8570H with 1060 max-q)? Does it run games relatively smoothly?

 

Ordered two G3 17's a couple days ago, one for myself and one for my nephew; different configurations and color.

Mine is with a i5 and 1050 and my nephews is with a i7 and 1060, I plan on re-pasting with IC Diamond or Kryonaut once the 30 days return policy expires.

I'll also try undervolting both CPU's, while both laptops will have a NotePal X3 cooler beneath them; hopefully these babies run cooler than stock.

I plan on upgrading to ram and upgrading the mechanical hard drives to a Firecuda and lastly upgrading the wireless to a Intel 9260 on both machines.

 

I think I might upgrade my ram too, what did you go with?

 

The laptops have not arrived yet however I plan on going with 16GB Crucial Ballastix (16-18-18-18) for my newphew's GTX 1060 version and just 12GB of any ram for mine since I play heavy games on my desktop.

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ...=ddr4_2666_sodimm_16gb-_-20-164-055-_-Product

The memory that comes with the laptop is DDR4-2666 (19-19-19-19) so technically upgrading to the Crucial Ballastix nets a 10% gain in performance.

 

Laptop came in today, I'm happy with the purchase and I know my nephew will be too.

Came with Thunderbolt/USB-C/DisplayPort and AUO panel on G3 17 with GTX 1060.

Used ICC Profile from NotebookCheck and I'm happy with the results, it's not like my desktop's LG monitor with 99% sRGB but it's definitely above 90% sRGB with pretty moderate backlight bleeding, good contrast (about equal to my LG which is also an IPS) and can be comfortably used for photo/video editing.

 

My liquid metal experience: Very pleased! No throttle! Turbo boost on

Running AIDA64 stress both CPU & GPU 15 minutes in: CPU 90C, GPU 79C. Before LM, my CPU shoot straight up to 100 and GPU mid 80s. (I doubt I would ever need to push my CPU & GPU this hard in real life usage)
In game: Doom: CPU low-mid 60s. GPU low-mid 60s. Probably hit 70 if I game longer. Before LM, CPU low 90s and GPU mid 80s
Normal usage: CPU high 40s - low 50s. GPU high 40s - low 50s

I followed bob of all trades video for this process. The only difference of our 17" model is that the fans is part of the heat sink so a few more screws need to be removed to take the heat sink off.

For the 1st attempt, temps stayed the same so I opened up the laptop 2nd time and find out I applied too little liquid metal on the CPU. I notice that ONLY the middle part of the heat sink has contact with the LM. I know that I applied a very thin layer of LM across the surface with a little build up in the middle.

So I applied a little more and got the result above.

SO, I think our stock model out of the box come with a bad paste job and can be improved with normal repasting or if you are confident you can go LM

 

hi there do you have a link or instruction to the ICC profile?

 

NotebookCheck review for G3 17: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-G3-17-3779-i5-8300H-GTX-1050-SSD-IPS-Laptop-Review.317678.0.html

Direct link for NotebookCheck ICC profile for 17.3" AUO panel: https://www.notebookcheck.net/uploads/tx_nbc2/Dell_G3_17__3779__i5-8300H_MWY7K_B173HAN.icm

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NotebookCheck review for G3 15: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-G3-15-3579-i5-8300H-GTX-1050-FHD-Laptop-Review.318308.0.html

Direct link for NotebookCheck ICC profile for 15.6" LG Philips panel: https://www.notebookcheck.net/uploads/tx_nbc2/4XK13_156WF6_03.icm

 

Been testing out stability for undervolting the CPU, looks like the i5-8300H on my nephew's G3 can do minus 190mv for both the CPU and IGP.

Tested with 3 passes of RealBench with CPU throttling down to 3.5Ghz however the GPU does not throttle and max temps at 85 degrees.

I then put the laptop through a more real world gaming scenario benchmarking Heaven 3 times with the GPU maxing out at 80 degrees while the CPU hits 95 degrees without throttling.

I'm hoping for a 10 to 15 degree drop on the CPU with the combination of re-pasting and a new laptop cooler beneath in a couple weeks (currently the stability tests were conducted with the laptop sitting on a text book), I'd be very happy and content with around 80 degrees on the CPU and 75 degrees on the GPU all said and done.

 

wow -190 is a lot. which program do you use to undervolt? how do you undervolt the IGP?
I'm using Throttlestop and only offseting the CPU and cache to -150.

Also, do you know if for the i5 8300H I need to uncheck BD PROCHOT and change Speed Shift EPP to 0?

 

I used XTU but just so happens some undervolt values did not apply after a restart so I'm testing it again right now with ThrottleStop, I still think minus 170 - 180 is feasible on this chip (I have a good idea when a silicon is good been overclocking for a very long time).

With ThrottleStop I just leave everything on default and just mess around in the FIVR, here's a pretty good guide (there guides for ThrottleStop in this forum): https://www.notebookcheck.net/How-t...ife-The-ThrottleStop-Guide-2017.213140.0.html

Edit:

Minus 190mv failed today with XTU uninstalled and using ThrotteStop to undervolt, minus 185mv is stable with RealBench but I decided to go with minus 180mv as long term assurance undervolt.

Update:

Laptop cooler arrived today, it's not anything high end however the fans on the cooler aligns with the intake holes under the laptop very well (I knew this before buying).

I just stress tested with RealBench using minus 180mv alongside the new laptop cooler and the CPU does not throttle anymore keep in mind this is without repaste and RealBench runs the CPU/GPU just as hot a Prime95 combined with FurMark.

With the new laptop cooler the GPU dropped by 10 degrees and the CPU (only an estimate since before the laptop cooler it was throttling in RealBench) dropped by at least 15 degrees, impressive for a inexpensive laptop cooler.

 

which cooler did you buy?

 

Havit 5 Fan Laptop Cooler:
https://www.amazon.ca/Laptop-Cooling-Cooler-Adjustable-HV-F2068/dp/B0713PHFRW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1534743635&sr=8-3&keywords=havit+5&dpID=51D%2B7XYiRwL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

 

My G3 17 with GTX 1050 came in today, it came with a Chi Mei panel which are found in the 2018 Inspiron 17 from online reviews.

I thought the AUO panel on my nephews G3 17 with GTX 1060 was the best panel possible but I does not look as good next to the Chi Mei panel on my G3 both with ICC profile applied.

The Chi Mei panel (85% brightness setting) has less brightness overall than the AUO panel (75% brightness setting) at 100% brightness setting but it's more than enough for my usage (almost no outdoor), also the Chi Mei panel has more backlight bleeding all around the edges with the bottom being the most prominent which can be a bit distracting with dark images.

Where's the Chi Mei panel shines is the color accuracy and contrast, it's looks much closer to 6500K even though both panels are using ICC profiles from NotebookCheck.

The Chi Mei panel also seems to have a different type of matte coating which feels more smooth to touch but at the same time looses a bit of clarity compared to the coating on the AUO panel, this clarity difference can only be seen if both panels are side by side displaying the same picture and you have to be really observing.

It's really a toss up between the panels IMHO...

On one hand the AUO panel has little backlight bleeding and higher brightness and on the other the Chi Mei panel has better color accuracy and higher contrast.

Right now eyes are saying the Chi Mei is better since it has less blue lighting and images look more realistic due to better color representation and contrast however I'll have to see if the high amount backlight bleeding gets really bothersome.

 

Does anyone have a guide on upgrading the Wi-fi? I looking into purchasing the Intel 9260 card ( https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B079QJQF4Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_KpzHBbTPD0AJF). This may be a stupid question but do I need to get and install additional wireless antennas too? If so, how do I go about doing that in a G3 15. Thanks!

 

The manuals should show all the steps needed: https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/product-support/product/g-series-15-3579-laptop/manuals

 

Thanks, didn’t know this existed. This is a great resource!

 

The G3 supports CNVi WiFi cards so theoretically an Intel 9560 would be a better fit over the Intel 9260, the Intel 9462 WiFi card included with both the G3's I bought are also CNVi complaint cards.

If you cannot get an Intel 9560 card then m.2 cards such as the Intel 9260 are also compatible with this laptop, personally I ordered two Intel 9560 cards awaiting delivery for the G3's.

Update on panel:

I got a service tag for panel replacement because the Chi Mei panel had a couple of dead pixels close to center of the screen, I decided the AUO panel was better overall and requested the AUO panel as the replacement.

The technician came over yesterday and installed an AUO panel on my laptop part of the service tag request, he took 15 minutes to do and had me test out the new panel for dead pixels and satisfaction.

The newly installed AUO panel on my laptop looks nice however I'm now noticing the color temperature on my nephew's AUO panel looks pretty cool, both panels are the same exact model and just made 4 weeks apart; I'm now thinking perhaps there's a difference or defect in the connection cable used...

 

Update on memory upgrade:

This laptop is very picky with aftermarket memory specially those that are factory overclocked, I had to return 2x8GB of Crucial Ballistix DDR4-2666 because the laptop would simply only run them at 2400Mhz speed.

I picked up a pair of Crucial DDR4-2666 normal memory (no branding or logo stickers/heatspreaders) with 19-19-19-43 timing which matches the OEM memory timing exactly and it's working perfectly with the laptop, I ran both Memtest86+ and Memtest86 (PassMark) and both passed twice without errors.

 

where did you purchase the ram from or do you have a link to it?

 

Hi guys, hope you are all doing well,

I recently purchased a Dell G3 15 inch through the microcenter deal (Core i5 8300H and GTX 1060 Max-Q) and I'm looking to buy a good laptop cooling mat to help with thermals (plan to keep the laptop for a long time, current desktop about to turn 7 years old). I have looked at different brands, and the posts on this thread, and I'm not sure on what to choose. Generally speaking I am looking for the best bang for the buck.

I have a budget of about 25$ and I'm looking at these models:

https://www.amazon.com/HAVIT-Laptop...=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B0713PHFRW

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Maste...=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B005C31HC0

They both provide over 60CFM, and seem to have good reviews, however I am not set on anything yet, which one would you guys advice me to buy, I am not closed to other possibilities.

Best Regards

 

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further back the Havit got praise as it's fans line up nicely with the G3 holes compared to other pads. That's definitely a pro for Havit compared to the others.

 

Ordered one of these, hopefully I get it next week.
Will check it out before I order a screen, but guessing I'm going to need to upgrade it.

I know this one works Zephyrus panel AUO42ED due to B0B helpful YouTube video.

Voltran recommends this Samsung LTN156HL01-201, but that's based on the G5 being the same a chassis as the 7577.
So not 100% sure it will work on the G3? Also More money than I like to spend at £120ish

What I want to know is how do you know which panel will fit which laptop.
will any 30 pin connection 15.6 screen work or is there more to check.

If you could source a dell XPS 9570 screen would that work?

Thanks for any feedback

 

Ordered the G3 17" during the 72hr sale. (i7/1060)
Great deal.
Mainly interested in upgrading the the screen, but confused on which 120hz works.
Does anyone with the 17" know the connector pin count? I know 40pin is for 4k but I'm confused because there's a 120hz for Dell G3 3779 but 40pin listed on eBay...!?

 

Received this Friday, come with 8GB, 1x8GB, DDR4, 2666MHz.

Thinking of buying a second stick to run in duel, in the Uk can anyone point me to a cheap stick that will work?
Thanks guys

 

Did you order 3579 or 3779 (15 or 17)

 

HI,
I ordered the 15 inch model.

 

Thank you Bob Of All Trades, it's after stumbling across this forum that I pretty much lead me down this path of what I called "sleeper laptop." I purchased a Dell G3 with an i7-8750h, 1060 max-Q, single 8gb ram stick off dell's outlet site. They were having their 11% off coupons and also 12% ebates promotion which means I ended up paying around $690 usd for this killer laptop. I did get charged tax shipping it to Washington and also another Canadian tax bringing it across the border (I was too honest, lol)

So the upgrades I've made so far
doubling the ram with another 8gb of 2666hz speed (40 usd off ebay)
re-pasting the gpu and liquid metal with the cpu (thanks for your advice)

what is on the way
2x2 wifi card (20 usd off ebay)
15.6 inch 120hz display N156HHE-GA1 REV.C3 (105.99 off ebay)

So this computer has been a fun and interesting project. Thank you again for this forum on this laptop and your videos on youtube. My sleeper build is almost complete.

 

I am currently setting up a Dell G3 17 3779 and have a few questions:

It has the CMN 1738 display - Is there any .icc profile around for it?
Should I use the drivers from the dell website or directly from Intel/nvidia/realtek? Or maybe just install the WiFi driver after a fresh Windows 10 installation and let Windows handle the driver installation through Windows update?

In case of manually installing the drivers, which one do I Need? The dell Website lists like 78000 drivers.

 

Just an update, I upgraded my G3 panel to a Chi Mei N156HHE-GA1 REV.C3 panel. Using a spyder5 to measure, my color accuracy went from 62% sRGB, 44% NTSC and 46% AdobeRGB to 100% sRGB, 86% NTSC and 89% AdobeRGB. And yes, I can confirm that the brightness controls still works even after the upgrade.

 

Hi all,

I'm asking dell to add in next BIOS release for all G-Series laptops (G3/G5/G7) the same thermal management system as XPS line with several cooling and processor performance options, this might help us to keep better control of thermals and fan operation (Cool, Quiet, Balanced and High Performance) as there is no way as it is to control it, I updated my G3 to bios 1.4.0 and fans were crazy, had to come back to 1.3.0 to get it working properly.

If you support this idea, please leave your Kudos/Likes there to show them that there are more people interested, the more people we get involved better our odds to make it happen!

https://www.dell.com/community/Insp...nt-system-to-G3-G5-G7-BIOS/m-p/6202919#M38864

Image of what I'm talking about:



P.s. @B0B if you could help us to spread the word as you have a great user base it would be awesome for the community.

Thank you!!!

 

Would you mind uploading your color profile for this panel please.