I'd be understandably frustrated as you are, esp. after probably having excellent experiences with IBM/Lenovo support. That CSR should have offered to provide provide you with all of those materials, regardless if the previous owner "kept" them. That's how the system should have arrived to you in the first place-with everything intact and in order.
If you haven't just given up and asked for a RMA/Shipping label, I'd call/online chat again and see what another CSR has to say as this is simply inexcusable.
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Seems like Dell is "What you pay is what you get lately". I really wonder why are they screwing the outlet machines so much Not like i complain, at least i feel justice when i paid full retail price but still... that is some terrible customer service and surely not helping their reputation.
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in my opinion, this thing is horrible even at the 1k mark.
this feels too heavy for the slim profile look.
i also think 13.4 is kinda big.
light leakage.. omg....
i do love how sleek it looks especially the black one that i got.
one more issue is when i got it, the battery charges but once i remove the power cord, it dies. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.
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That's unfortunate to hear... I was hoping the Adamo was a truly great ultraportable.
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I have an Adamo on its way to me.
I'm going to install Windows 7 RTM as soon as I get my hands on it.
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This is a general summary I started writing a few weeks ago in reply to someone while browsing through this thred: I don't think I posted it, so here it is.
As much as I am feeling the overtly technological sleekness of the Adamo when sitting on the desk, I now feel a tiny bit of an idiot for buying it - as I was, I must admit, kind of expecting. I like the tactile aspects of the body, although I'm not feeling the keyboard as much. The performance is fine, as pointed out above, for the type of use it'll be put to and it would be pointless to complain that it hasn't got a GPU, etc - such complaints are made by people who don't know what this machine is for.
Pricewise while it is pegged at the high end, I don't think it's wholly unreasonable as some have said given the entire package - in fact, the price tack-ons are actually 'premium' unlike Apple.
But you see, when all is said I feel that the Adamo is neither here nor there - and this is what I see as its biggest problem.
In terms of it's construction, it's not runaway premium in the use of alloys in comparison to the Apples. While the structure is definitely more robust than the Air, the Adamo suffers from the fact that it uses the same process and materials as the Macbooks. The 'unibody' process is overhyped to people who don't understand what it involves and it's not stronger than many of the manufacturing methods already out there.
It may *feel* better - and that is what Apple is very good at: The triumph of marketing to the ego-packing who believe they're well informed. It's no coincidence that the rise of Web 2.0 - where everyone's opinion, no matter how dumb / manipulated it is, counts - has helped propel the popularity of Apple.
But coming back to the issue of the process I just think, regardless of how cool (both literally and figuratively) aluminium feels, a rolled slab of it is not something that you should be especially carving laptops out from - there are better materials and processes for the job out there. We aren't talking about a premium home stereo but something that will be carried around a lot. This problem of course manifests itself in the very noticeable extra bulk to provide the (necessary IMO considering the comparatively bend-prone Air) rigidity in a squared-off case.
What I'd personally like to see in a truly premium notebook is a re-interpretation of the common magnesium subframe construction but with more design-orientated aspects in the subframe like, well, Apple's approach to the innards of the unibody, bonded/screwed to a carbon - not Sony/Lenovo's moulded variant but thermoset - outer skin with a protective outer layer, with aluminium accents. This will be more expensive, but if done properly it will also look it, unlike some of Sony's latest frankly rather plasticky 'carbon fiber' creations - and it will also be significantly lighter.
I think it has a certain edge in styling on a macro level, being free of the need of the Apples to follow at times too minimalist styling cues. My overall preference is definitely for the more assertive look of the Adamo. But the Air's general lines are - Dell's stylistic flourishes aside - undoubtedly more striking in real life even almost 18 months after release.
On a more granular level, the design and the product as a whole isn't as holistically thought-out as the Air. While it's generally a *good* thing that in terms of Product Engineering Dell is taking notes from the Sony "Build it tiny, but still like a brick ****house" School of the early 90's, it seems they're also taking Design notes from the same source / decade. Given Apple's demonstrated mastery in this respect, lots more 'aha' detail touches are now de facto requirements to be considered high-end in terms of being driven by design - which the Adamo clearly pegs itself to be - if you don't have an excuse in the form of truly pushing notebook engineering envelopes in terms of weight or cramming in features like Sony, Toshiba et al are doing now.
In terms of runtime, like the Air (but to a slightly more usable extent) it's not an all-dayer despite the lack of a removable battery. While it's far better connected than an Air, it's worse connected than many lighter, more powerful machines.
Frankly speaking, all the merits it does have, it still doesn't change the fact that it's not quite anything. In terms of a more cool-headed feature/benefit ratio the optical-less SSD model of the Toshiba R600 is a particularly notable elephant in the room - or if you like, a giant, helium-filled skeletal mouse. It weighs less than half that of the Adamo while having roughly similar capability - and that is very hard to reconcile even if you place a premium on style.
Put simply, I have to have a reason to carry the (at least) extra pound over it's similarly priced and specced compadres, and the level of style that the Adamo provides is, as it turns out, not enough reason over the likes of the TT, X30x, R600, etc - and I've finally made my choice as to my daily carry in the form of the DVD'd / SSD'd R600, and as I have to run OS X as well I tolerate the Macbook Air - with an external battery to balance out its low runtime, which with an 8.5-hour real-life total runtime still comes in at pretty much the same weight for the combo as an Adamo.
All told, it looks fantastic by itself on my office desk - but given the compromises I think there is where it might sit for far more than is warranted for a notebook. I don't really have a problem with thinking about it as functional furniture - but I doubt this will be something I'll be carting around on on a daily basis for the next year or so that I might hang onto it. -
Nice commentary, Vogelbung.
I don't mind the extra pound of weight, but then, I also place a high value on design. Also, I'm very happy to bypass the fancy packaging for the discount in the outlet.
Even though Dell still has not shipped my replacement (they said up to 15 business days, though inventory is available at the outlet), I have certain reservations.
The main concern is that the machine sporadically has very noticeable lag when scrolling or using the trackpad. I've never encountered this on the D830. I adjusted my touchpad setting to match the D830, but its still present. I don't know if its a defect in the machine (this is a refurb) or if its because of the 1.4 CULV. Note that this is while running on battery, but power is set to high performance.
As I mentioned before, I don't get the fascination with glossy systems, and this onyx machine is notorious for showing fingerprints.
The audio from the included speakers points backward, so its coming from below and behind the display. As a result, I've had some trouble hearing various programs on cnet tv. (even if I adjust the system and media player volumes to max)
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All,
Would you advise trying out an Adamo as a notebook, ordered from the Outlet, to use in place of a MacBook Pro?
I'm on a 15" MBP right now -- a 2.53 GHz C2D one -- and I'm just not the world's biggest OS X fan. Was thinking about going with the Adamo, although I'm aware that the battery life and performance will be less.
Also -- where in the world are these low-$1000 prices coming from? I'd very much appreciate a PM or anything on that; I've hunted around on several coupon sites, and I'm only finding one or two expired coupons that could be used on the Adamo. -
Be sure, battery life and performance will be less. But this is normal with such components inside. Adamo wasn't engineered as road warrior and primary work machine. It is rather supporting laptop for light work or special occasions as important business meetings. And this way I'm using it - as support it is best I could have.
I'm changing from E4300 2,4Ghz and 5h of battery work to Adamo. 1,2GHz and 3-3,5h of light-to-mid work (this is normal time for my example, but ofc it depends. I can run 4h but with "minimal" settings which I don't like really). Processor is enough fast for office and simple works, but you couldn't expect it will be a speed daemon. I'm working with AutoCAD 2008 quite normally, MS Office (Excel and big Word files) and I never find a slowdowns. Only one thing is making me crazy - charging time is an absurd. After 3h of work you have to charge it 4h ! It should be around half of working time.
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http://www.laptopbatteryexpress.com/Universal-External-Laptop-Notebook-Battery-p/am-pp66s.htm
I'm thinking about ordering one of these. It should work with the Adamo. I have a small bunch of very similar units for the Air (60wh Hypermac) and the runtime is about 8.5 hours on super power ekeing (Air itself goes for 3.5 hours in real-life use). You should therefore be able to get 9+ hours on the Adamo using the 66wh cell above in similar ekeing use.
Unfortunately you'll now be carrying an all-up weight of 5.5lbs, but... well, it's your call.
Oh yeah - all Onyx users. How bad is the fingerprint magnet / dust issue in real terms over a decent period of ownership? Warts and all opinions please.
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I have to be sure this battery will use connector for Adamo (it is different than in Latitues).
Fingerprints - highly polished screen and top cover are catching them. I have to wipe those surfaces once per two days to keep clean look - but it is not so bad after Latitude E4300 experience. Rest of Adamo case, brushed metal, touchpad and keyboard are rather fingerprint resistive and this is great. With E4300 I had to clean constantly all black plastic surfaces - backlit keyboard horrible catched my fingerprints, the same was with touchpad buttons. Adamo is free of that, and I'm really happy.
I used Pearl for some time (I'm planning it for my girl) and in fact those dust and finger marks are less visible. But I can't imagine to use light aluminium Adamo on the meeting. I love black
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I adore the design , maybe ill buy it
Will i be able to play smoothly 1080p, Photoshop smooth work with the integrated graphics?
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Could someone of the owners describe the performance compared to a t9400 for exaple, just to give me an idea
Also 3G, it means that you can put a Sim card in ANY country and have internet?
+ do i get W7 free upgrade if i purchase from outlet?
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the 3G function is truly great
I also have a i7 desktop now, im typing on it, and im selling it
Instead i wanted to get this work of art, because of its design
I saw on some charts that it takes 2 times longer than T9400, you can imagine compared to a i7
So if its a few seconds more from 10 minutes, its unbelievable
Tuwa are you sure?, id've thought 20 minutes
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Yes i considered m6400 before this
But i wont use its full potential
Im obsessed with build quality and the adamo has it
As i said Basic+Watch HD + little Music+video encode + little photoshop
im confident it will be good enough
So the Fan Noise wont be a problem?
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Thanks Tuwa youve helped me alot +rep
2 last things:
Fans Loudness- Ive heard you barely hear it, from others that it sounds like a turbine
Tempteratures- are they ok, or you feel the hotness on the palm rests?
As soon as i sell the desktop, im ordering one
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When playing CS:Source, it goes to full-out mode in regular intervals (maybe every 5 minutes?) for a while and then slows down again. CULV C2D is pretty cool and doesn't get as hot as regular C2Ds, so you don't need that much cooling either. Palm rests are fine, they are anywhere between slightly cold to slightly warm, but far far away from typical meaning of hot you may know from more powerful laptops. The bottom of the laptop is a bit warmer, but still only luke warm, and you can keep it on your lap even for few hours without feeling discomfort. Only part of the laptop that can be considered "hot" is the area just below display, but this seems to be the hottest part on all laptops i ever owned, and it was still much cooler than on others. I have owned two 15.4" Acers, one 17" Dell XPS, one 14" Toshiba and 15.4" Macbook Pro, and Adamo is by far the coldest (or rather least warm) laptop i had. -
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PCmag, ubergizmo, Gizmodo ,Engadget
all say that the fans are constanly spinning
you said its silent most of the time
or is it silent because they are spinning slowly?
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Don't know if they are not spinning or spinning very slowly when under light load, i tried to put my hand at the back of the laptop but didn't feel any air flow. But maybe they are spinning so slowly when idle that they don't blow much air, who knows... but i don't think it's important. Bottom line is that they are very quiet, almost silent. Until "turbine" kicks in, but that's not very often Or at least unless you use it as a heavy workstation for constant encoding and gaming.
One thing to keep in mind when reading a review is that the person testing it runs the laptop through a bunch of synthetic benchmarks, and some of them are very heavy and stressful for the computer as it pushes it to the performance limits. This produces excessive heat, so the fans have to blow more and it feels like laptop is noisy. However, such situation is very unrealistic during normal use. Sure it's great when i know that my laptop can score X points in some useless test, but in real life i don't care about that, because i'm not running the benchmark but actual internet browser and text editor, and in that case, load will be much lower and so will be the overall noise and heat. I might be interested in synthetic benchmarks if i was interested in buying a server station, not an ultraslim laptop. I would definitely not be worried about noise too much. -
I trust you Tuwa
But all of this 4 reviews say under basic tasks
Maybe your computer is unique?
Any other adamo owner? Satisfied with the noise?
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Maybe, who knows... i'm sure there are some other users who can share their experience. My laptop is very quiet though.
Also not sure about other 3 sites, but Engadget is very Apple biased, and that Adamo they tested was a pre-production piece, it had few more issues like flimsy build quality and such. If you want a trustworthy review, i would look for something that was written at least 2-4 weeks after official launch. Those pre-production laptops tend to have untweaked bios and some other incompatibilities, so they might be noisier. -
Are you the only owner?
Nobody writes here nowadays
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OK hopefully ill order mine end of this week
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I have 1,2GHz and never riched that period. My maximum working time is about 4h, usually 3,5 (I'm using lovest screen backlighting, all over that is too bright for me too - as Tuwa said). It depends on load, when I'm working hard it takes "only" 3h (but this is enough for me).
BTW after 3,5h battery work, my charging takes 4,5.
Overall this laptop stays cold all time with normal work.
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Speaking of measuring method, as i said earlier, 6 episodes of Family Guy (6x 22minutes = 2h 12m) drained slightly less than half battery. Which means there was still juice left for additional ~2 hours of playback. 5 hours of text editing was rather simple as i started to type at 9am after waking up and finished at around half past 2pm when i went for lunch. Mind you there wasn't any real activity on the computer, just opened MS Word and 3 pdf documents... no browsing, opening, nothing, just reading and typing. -
One more thing
I looked at a cpu benchmark list @ notebookcheck
i7 920(mine) has 14-28-780 on superpi 1m/2m/32m
and su9400 30 66 1567
this is a 100% stress test, so the su9400 is exactly 2 times slower than a desktop i7 920
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Well, it has double the amount of cores and almost twice as high frequency, why couldn't it be twice as fast?
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Because it took twice the time
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Of course superpi calculation was done twice faster on desktop, because Core i7 is twice faster. What exactly is the problem? I don't see anything suspicious there?
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The Core i7 should be 10 times faster
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You know, looking at the exchange of posts it seems to me that you're probably not the right guy to be buying an Adamo. You're into it becuase of the way it looks, but from what it seems to me you look for in a machine you might be better served with a mainstream higher-end machine from the likes of Asus, etc.
Just my 2c.
I have got my quote for an Onyx. I can't believe I'll be buying two of what I'm not actually using a heck of a lot in any case... but I have a feeling I'll be Onyx-bound fairly soon. Having too many incidents of 'buyer's remorse' buying the Pearl. -
New Adamo XPS model coming:
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The difference in frequency between 1.4GHz C2D and 2.66GHz C2D might yield 80-90% improvement in performance at best if we are optimistic, but that's probably pushing it. Even if you take the best possible scenario from some utopic cyberspace, you can't come even close to conclusion that 2.67GHz Core i7 is 10 times faster than 1.4GHz C2D. More like 2-4 times faster, depending on software used. I'm no CPU expert so i will gladly learn something new, but i can't understand how did you come to conclusion that it should be 10 times faster. Comparing Core i7 to some lowly Atom might bring such high differences, but not C2D, at least i doubt it.
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I wonder if the screen will be 10 or 11"?
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Hmmm. Probably 11 I guess. I hope it's not an Atom - it would garner my complete disinterest in that case.
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It'll have the QX9300 for a base proc and an upgrade to the 55w TDP i7920XM.....
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Very very interesting...My interest is def. peaked..I would love to have a further *looksy* at this. Especially if it's gonna have something similar of a take off of *look* of the XPS line.
And, hopefully it will refrain from anything of the Atom inside.
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In this case, my complete disinterest with anything featuring an Atom is simply indicative of the fact that I am not interested in revisiting the more or less equivalent performance of ultraportables I had >5 years ago.
I would like a C2D ULV still in there. Failing that (but under protest), a CULV/Core Solo equivalent. Anything less - not interested. -
Considering that Adamo 13 is running very cool even with 1.4GHz C2D, i'm rather sure that this 9.99mm Adamo can handle it as well, there seem to be plenty of reserve. If they put Atom in it, i would say they are losing it Atom is ok for what it's meant, but it really shouldn't be in premium model line.
Would be perfect if they opted for single core CULV for basic model and 1.2GHz C2D CULV for higher model, and update Adamo 13 with 1.4 CULV as basic model, and 1.6 CULV for higher model. Leave Atom for cheap netbooks. -
Adamo XPS... I'm not sure what I think about these name interchanges. Why can't it just be Adamo 9?
First we have Studio XPS. Nowthe Adamo XPS.
Is there going to me a Mini XPS, Studio Inspiron, Inspiron XPS, Studio Adamo
Ooh I forgot, the Mini series is actually Inspiron Mini.
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I will be very disappointed if it has only an Atom even the new N470 one.
If it is an Atom in there, I hope it is, at least, an ION.
Some thoughts:
- The total height is 9,99mm included the display.
I have never seen a LED display thinner than 4-5mm. That means that the main body containing the components should be only 5-6mm in height. This is almost unbelievable! But if that is true there is simply no sufficient height for the ports. Even USB ports are 8-9mm in height. The only solution would be a proprietary port with an extension dock for the usual ports!
- Is this a hint that it will be the first OLED screen notebook? With today technology, only OLED displays can be thinner than the thinnest LED LCD's.
P.S. Sorry about the double post. I have already wrote this on another thread about the new Adamo I opened first. I did this to differentiate from the old Adamo. But maybe it is better to continue here.
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