~V2S Owner's Lounge~

I'm getting real tired of repeating the same thing for the 5th time in this thread(see 3rd and 4th pages for more extensive post)

I don't need the stock clocks for overclocking - I just want to see what gddr3 V2s has - if stock memory is 700 - then there is some real issue with drivers - let's hope so(though I doubt it, 8600gs gddr3 should show ~2700-2800 on stock clocks). If it is lower than that, we just got ourselves a crippled 8600gs as in F3sv - and then I'm really switching out to mbp, and I get really disappointed with asus

And I repeat again, 8600gs on F3sv is crippled, and it is even higher than on v2s - that just doesn't seem like an issue with drivers for me, sorry

 

Is it possible that the 3DMark test was done while the notebook was using battery power? I'm assuming if it was on battery, the graphics chip would underclock.

 

Looking through the pictures, I saw this one:
http://files.myopera.com/S_h_e_r_m_a_n/albums/350107/vista_index.png
WEI isn't the most conclusive of diagnostic tools, but a graphics of 3.2 and gaming graphics of 4.2 don't bode very well.

 

I just went to the Apple store and checked out the MBP, since most on here are abandoning the V2S. It is definitely a nice machine. The display rocks, especially the matte, which I am now convinced is better than glossy comparing them side to side. It does not feel durable at all though. I saw one at a local Best Buy with a bunch of keys that had fallen off. I was going to get a V2S for all the great specs, but after seeing the MBP display alone I have decided not to. With that said I will not be getting a MBP either. I am thinking of getting a new battery for my Inspiron 8100 and sticking it out with Win2K. In conclusion, I have determined that all notebooks available today SUCK and PC manufacturers need to get off their lazy butts and design some good machines with Mac style and PC control and durability!

 

Maybe quite the wisest choice actually Are you sure about the durability thing of mbp? I hear that the build of macs is pretty good(well, assuming, you don't drop it on the floor and don't bang the keyboard with your head lol)

 

hey guys, back from vacation. Looks like a lot has happened over a week. Stupid delays are pushing this laptop way overdue. How come Germany has it and we don't? that's some bullcrap. And this low 3DMark? When this laptop came out it looked perfect. Now its dissapointed me time and time again.
1. The loss of the 9-cell battery
2. Constant delays, maybe up to a month, no certain release date, been told many times next week, but ended up not coming
3. And now, this low 3Dmark score?
How could Asus do this to us? They're losing so much business. If they want to make money, they should pick up their game.

That being said, I'm probably gonna wait for some more solid information about the 3Dmarks, but if its that bad I'm gonna have to switch. Maybe to the F8, but learning from this, the delay of the F8 could be a month from mid-september.

 

Yeah, this is looking pretty bad. I might have to end up just going with the 14" T61p. I know it's crippled, but at least it's readily available, and so I actually know about all the problems with it, instead of having to guess. The kick-@ss weight and battery life don't hurt either.

 

I was responding to Q8PHANTOM™'s post:

My belief is that this is driver related. I think that the 3DMark06 scores would be higher with better graphics. I posted that opinion in response to his question of whether we think it's hardware or software related.

Not everything is about you, man. I was just giving Q8PHANTOM™ an opinion that he asked for. No need to get "real tired" of other's opinions.

 

Actually, I was responding to ultim4's post so it wasn't directed at you

But yeah, sorry anyway, it didn't sound too nice...

 

Yea, but his response to your response to my response (I had to do that) was:

So, your response to his response to your response to my response (okay, that was unnecessary) seemed uncalled for. I was more defending Ultim4 than myself, I just felt involved because as Ultim4 put it "we're talking about getting superior drivers", which was what we were indeed talking about.

 

Ah, yes, you are right. Sorry to all involved again and let's get back to v2s and "what's with that 3dmark06 scores" topic

 

well, we can't have any definite info on it yet. I'll PM Ales and see if he can update the drivers and then do another 3DMark06. The problem with cancelling pre-order and looking for other options is that I will lose the free docking station and the discounted price. If I opt for the V2S later, the offer will not apply and thus I might pay more, but if I end up having to get it but don't want it cause of all the problems I might get screwed over. So I want to get all the info I can ASAP.

 

I'm sorry guys, it's not a driver problem. There is no way that old drivers would halve the 3dmark06 result. Either it's a problem with the testing environment (for example, if it was on battery power), or the card is crippled, perhaps with a 64-bit memory bus.

 

Yea it is definitely not a driver problem. I mean, we've seen something similar with the F3Sv, but not to this extent.

For some reason Asus feels the need to screw the customer over and severely cripple their graphics cards. When you release the machine's specs, people expect the components to work within an expected range. They withhold information (the clocks, mem bus) knowing full well that if they don't list the clocks people will assume they are stock (and fare as well as they have been seen in other products).

Asus is seriously pushing too hard here and it seems they are losing customers quite quickly. They are extremely lucky that there are customers willing to wait a bit longer and continue to wait for them to pull through.

 

Yes, completely second this... There is some hope in the fact that it is that low - it's not like ASUS could cripple the card even more than F3sv (though with ASUS now it can do anything ), maybe it's battery power really...

Though for me, personally, I'm opting out of V2s, I think. It's not even announced in my country so I'll be getting it the soonest around october - I'm not really willing to wait that much. And people over at Mac OS forums have gotten me interested in macos, so I'll be trying an mbp

 

Further to the opinion that it's not a driver problem, I noticed that the F3Sv's benchmarks were also obtained using stock drivers, so the results should be directly comparable to the V2S's results (since they're both being carried out at stock drivers). Thus the difference can't be explained by drivers .
Here's hoping that it's some other environmental problem, not a crippled chip... Oh ales, where are thou .


In other news, I got this item of information from a UK reseller...

All I can say is: what the hell are you doing, ASUS?

 

well it could be Vista thats causing problems. We have business which might not be geared towards running games and the F3SV has home premium, so that could be another problem. That can be fixed as vista gains more age and updates come to fix the problem.

 

I don't think Vista would do anything to it. As far as I know all versions of Vista have the same GPU power controls. I'm still betting that the program was run while the GPU was in power-saving 2D mode, or on battery.

 

Talked with Ales, he ran the test with the updated drivers and still got the same result. He checked the core clock and it was at 500MHZ and in 3D mode 400MHZ. Per the NVIDIA site, it said about 600MHZ (Is that the norm?). Looks like I might swing to the V1S now.

 

Hmm, Ales, could you possibly run Everest and copy it's GPU findings into this thread?

 

He told me he doens't have time to come online as he is very busy, I'll email him.

 

I'm really thinking of going with the ASUS G1S-A1 with free ITM from EXCaliberPC.
It's the best built ASUS machine ever with zero issues.
Is that right?

 

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not....

It's not the best built Asus (though it's not bad) and it has multiple issues.

 

I'm sorry i don't mean the best build quality but i mean that it's really has best DX10 graphic card with a very good build quality.
I thought that i can really reach 3600 3DMark06 with the V2s like in this thread.
But this laptop seems really will not reach 3000+ as i excepted and i think that I'm really stupid i wait that long.
I don't mean this is a bad laptop but it will just not fit my needs.
Bye bye V2s.
Hope every one else be happy with their V2S and i will start ordering the G1S after maybe 2 days so i may change my mind again.
Thanks guys.

 

I think it's a bit premature to base your decision on one laptop benchmark that has been run by the only person on these boards that actually has a V2S in their hands. Sure the numbers might be correct, but there has been little actual proof, and no info about the environment in which they were run. IMO, anyone looking at the V2S and deciding on buying it based on gaming benchmarks has already made the wrong choice in purchase anyways. The V2S is not meant to be a gaming laptop, it has some minor gaming capability, but it's not meant to be a gaming powerhouse.

 

But if I'll really wait for other's i may not buy a laptop until October.

Completely right but just i thought it will be +3000 score because i really play games but you can say from time to time and in holidays so i think for available laptops now the G1S has a nice looking + a value materials + more than what i need for graphics power (but it's nice since i'll have the laptop for whole 4 years university).

So just one thing I'm really waiting is until my visa refund in this time if the V2S in stock I'll get it otherwise the G1S will be my right decision.
Thanks.

 

I completely agree that basing such a decision on a single benchmark seems a bit extreme. I'm still not prepared to rule out the idea that it could be a fluke of some sort.

Hell, it could explain why the rest of the world still hasn't gotten their V2S's. There could be some crazy bios issue or some other fun defect. It's happened before.

 

I got my V2S last week (Finland) and I remember the Vista Graphics perfomance being 3,4 too.

I'm not really an expert on testing with 3DMark or anything, but if you tell me what to test, I can run the tests and post the scores here when I get off work.

Links, additional settings etc are appriciated. I've installed few softwares and Windows Updates, but not any special drivers or anything.

 

Can you please download Everest, and report back here what it says about your graphics card?

http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,23043-order,1-page,1-c,alldownloads/description.html

 

It's not about the drivers, all the tests I've done is with stock drivers.
It's the VGA BIOS. With 6 cell battery they'll have to decrease the GPU performance to get better battery life.

According to Asus, Mobile nVidia GPU is more difficult than ATI to "fine tune" for the balance of performance and battery life. The GPU heat is also something they would consider, the result, 1500 of 3DMark06.

 

That is entirely unacceptable. A freaking 64-bit card in the Thinkpad T61 does better than that, in a similarly sized machine. There's no way that it was necessary to downclock that much.

That being said, can you comment on whether the card was merely downclocked (which is rectifiable), or if it is undervolted as well?

 

Hi, I got the V2S two weeks ago.
I'm very happy with it, but I assume that Asus totally crippled the GPU.
According to Everst the Bustyp is only DDR2, Bus width is only 64bit. RAMDAC is 400, GPU clock is 540/1080.
I will keep it nevertheless.

 

That's what I was afraid of. This laptop has an 8400M-GS in it, when all is said and done. I can only pray that the U.S. version is different, but based on GenTechPC's post, it looks like it's not. There is literally no excuse for that level of crippling, and still calling the card an "8600M-GS".

 

wow, how could Asus do this again, and make it less powerful than the F3Sv 8600GS? That's it. I'm tired of this stuff. Gonna get a V1S as it seems liek it doesn't have any problems.

 

I'm really starting to fear for F8sv. If they couldn't fit 8600gs into 14" (assuming, there is some real reason for crippling the gpu) how can they fit 8600gt there?

 

Fortunately, it looks like that's wrong . According to this thread, some F8s have been released in parts of Europe, and a 3dMark06 benchmark has been posted ( link). Double the score of the V2S.

[EDIT: Sorry, forgot to mention that that's the 2600HD. (Roughly the equivalent of the 8600GT)]

 

But that is with the ATI HD2600

 

Oh yeah, meant to say that in the post. Either ASUS are having problems with temperature or power consumption of the nVidia GPUs in a smaller 14" chassis, or they've crippled the GPU to improve battery time (it's a business laptop, after all). At least there's a 8600GT-equivalent option in a 14" chassis.
It make me wonder if the 8600GT F8 will also be crippled?

 

How much battery life would be saved by crippling the graphics card like this?

I've got a V2S on order at the moment - after reading through this I'll probably cancel though (they aren't due in Australia until the 13th anyway) and go back to looking at a Zepto, Dell or the Benq S41.

On a side note, are you guys sure the F8 will have an 8600GT? The press release on the Asus site ( http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=8063) only mentions the 512Mb HD2600 or 256Mb 8600GS

 

i don't think crippling the graphics card to the GS would save that much battery life. We were pretty sure the F8 would have had the 8600GT but now everything is getting mixed up.

 

In that case, can it be clocked up to stock by users who don't care about battery life?

 

One member posted that (at least the european version) isn't really underclocked, but it has a 64-bit bus width, making the card at best little more than an overclocked 8400M-GS.

 

I cancelled my pre-order. I'm so tired of this, gonna go with the 1420 or 2500t.

 

same here, I cancelled mine, now looking to get a v1S

 

the same thing happened to the t61p 14.1" model. the fx570m was cut down to a 64-bit memory bandwidth which made it less appeasing.

 

However, the 570m has 32 stream processors and GDDR3 memory, which means that even cut down it still has great processing power and 11Gb/s memory fill rate. This "cut down" 8600M-GS is, on paper, no better than an 8400M-GS.

 

that's true. man, that is a really big disappointment what ASUS has done.

 

I know. It doesn't even have GDDR3 memory, which would at least give it the performance level of the F3sv.

 

Well, I cancelled mine as well. Decided to order a sony sz-680 instead. It's too bad Asus decided to super cripple its graphics card, misleading consumers. I suggest you guys not purchase any Asus notebooks. At least sony has the decency to list 8400 GT when that's what they intead to put in the laptop.

 

That notebook uses the 8400M-GS. And many Asus notebooks are quite worthwhile, it's just not a good idea to order any notebook before reading detailed reviews of it.