Thanks Franco for you reply. Your answer sounds right as to why I am able to see what is on my screen without any NVIDIA drivers. I can tell you that the new Windows 10 is definitely worth it. My computer seems much faster than before and has a lot of cool features that Windows 7 does not have. You certain that you would not be able to play those lower end games with the new Windows 10; that’s a shame, I would look it to that and make sure, because I think the tradeoff is well worth it!
Yes I’m messed with Device Manager, no bueno.
Now my questions?***
1. Do my NVIDIA drivers have anything to do with HDMI?
2. Anybody able to mirror link with the UL50VT yet?
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Thanks Franco for your reply. Your answer sounds right as to why I am able to see what is on my screen without any NVIDIA drivers. I can tell you that the new Windows 10 is definitely worth it. My computer seems much faster than before and has a lot of cool new features that Windows 7 does not have. Are you certain that you would not be able to play those lower end games with the new Windows 10; that’s a shame, I would look it to that and make sure, because I think the trade off is well worth it! So far I have not ran into any issues with any games. I can even hook up my xbox one controller and play games with that via USB; I can also stream games on my PC from xbox, which is pretty cool!
Yes I’m messed with Device Manager, no bueno.
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I cant get pass the black screen... no external monitor or HDMI device is detected either. There is no way i get to device manager ... I can open Cmd prompt from recovery options... tried opening the device manager from there (mmc devmgmt.msc ) but not successful .. i can open registry bui cant find any display driver entry there!
Tried every options in Safe Mode .. each brings out the same black screen with moving cursor.. the cursor can move out of the screen from bottom and right side ...
Befoe i update to Win 10 .. i disabled NVIDIA adapter from device manager... disabled automatic updates and even block NVIDIA outbound internet access from firewall hoping that this settings mightstill be there when Win 10 was updated.
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Let me go back to Win 8 ..... try a fresh install in another HDD
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Hmmm I never was on Windows 8. I went from Windows 7 to 10. Sounds like you didn’t delete the drivers in systems settings? Is that correct? You have to completely erase your NVIDIA drivers completely in systems so that your Intel driver will work by default. I think reverting back to Windows 8 or 7 is your best bet; then try these steps instead, which is what I solely used. Erasing the NVIDIA drivers is a pain is the a$$. I had to youtube it and pretty much play around with it. I still don’t know how I did, as the youtube video was a little different from what I had. Anyhow, I have everything working great, minus the HDMI issues and no screen mirroring (I might not be able to screen mirror since this computer was made before smart TV’s lol)
installing the old driver (Modified from original at http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-...id-graphics-ul80vt-ul50vt-ul30vt-windows.html)
For laptops as Asus UL80Vt, UL50Vt and UL30Vt
1. Install Windows 10
2. Go to “System Drive”:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository and remove two folders with started string "nv_lh.int"(NVIDIAdard driver) and “igdlh11.inf” (INTEL standard driver) in folder name.
3. Uninstall both Display adapters from Device Manager (mark ‘Delete the driver software for this device’).
4. Restart your computer.
5. Download from
VGA latest driver #186.88 for 64 bit which was supported NVIDIA Hybrid Power technology with Intel chipsets just unpack it, or you can use your install disc (DVD:\Software\Display\nVidia) do not install!.
6. Go to Device manager, now you should see two “Microsoft Basic Display Adapters” under “Display adapters”
7. Go to “Properties” for second adapter and under “Details” check “Hardware Ids”. It should be PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_..........
8. If no check another adapter
9. If yes go to “Driver” and click “Update Driver” tab choose “Browse my computer for driver software” browse to nVidia driver
location (mark Include subfolders) and click “Next”
10. One glitch - your Desktop may disappear, don’t worry, wait 10 minutes (or check install finish on taskbar) and restart
11. Install driver just for nVidia adapter, for Intel it was installed automatically.
12. Download Windows 8.1 latest version of Asus Power4Gear Hybrid and Windows 10 version of the ATK Package from the following ASUS page and install
P4GH: http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=3&m=Power4GearHybrid&os=41
ATK Package: http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=ATKPackage&p=3&s=813&os=45&hashedid=n/a
13. Restart.
You can control active Display adapters in notification area.
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If anyone can answers these questions! That would be great! I have the ASUS UL50TV and am on Windows 10.
Now my questions?***
1. Do my NVIDIA drivers have anything to do with HDMI?
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I had the same problem (Black screen with movable cursor after update from win8pro), but the following method I can solved the problem.
STEP 1: Windows 10 activation (if your Win 10 already have been activated, you can skip this step)
- Install Win 7 or Win 8/8.1 with a valid product key.
- Upgrade this with Win 10 and the activation will be done automatically.
Once you have upgraded to Windows 10 and activate, you can simply create a bootable copy on DVD or USB and reinstall just Windows 10 without the need to reinstall the qualifying version and it will reactivate automatically. Windows 10 handles keys differently. When you upgrade to Windows 10 via Windows Update from Windows 8.1 or Windows 7, the process registers your computers hardware, and qualifying OS with a Microsoft Product Activation Server. The device is then considered a Windows 10 device.
Subsequently anytime you re-install (or clean install) the installation checks with those servers, finds the unique installation ID and produces the validation
STEP 2: CLEAN install
- CLEAN Install Windows 10 ( DO NOT set any internet connection!)
- In this case there won't be "nv_lh.int"(NVIDIAdard driver) and “igdlh11.inf” (INTEL standard driver) folder in “System Drive”:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository so you don't need to remove anything.
- Device Manager you should see two “Microsoft Basic Display Adapters” under “Display adapters”
- Download from
VGA latest driver #186.88 for 64 bit which was supported NVIDIA Hybrid Power technology with Intel chipsets just unpack it, or you can use your install disc (DVD:\Software\Display\nVidia) do not install!.
- Go to Device manager, you should see two “Microsoft Basic Display Adapters” under “Display adapters”
- Go to “Properties” for second adapter and under “Details” check “Hardware Ids”. It should be PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_..........
- If no check another adapter
- If yes go to “Driver” and click “Update Driver” tab choose “Browse my computer for driver software” browse to nVidia driver
location (mark Include subfolders) and click “Next”
- One glitch - your Desktop may disappear, don’t worry, wait 10 minutes (or check install finish on taskbar) and restart
- Install driver just for nVidia adapter, for Intel it was installed automatically.
- Restart
- Now you can set your internet connection
- Download Windows 8.1 latest version of Asus Power4Gear Hybrid and Windows 10 version of the ATK Package from the following ASUS page and install
P4GH: http://support.asus.com/Download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=3&m=Power4GearHybrid&os=41
ATK Package: http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=ATKPackage&p=3&s=813&os=45&hashedid=n/a
You can control active Display adapters in notification area.
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WIN 8:
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NVIDIA GeForce G210M (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM V1.2) .. this works perfect for me.. but Nvidia would update itself to NVIDIA GeForce G210M from NVIDIA and this can cause my system in black flickering screen WITHOUT cursor.. so i always uninstall the drivers and the software and even block them from accessing the internet from firewall.. that how i ran my Win 8.
WIN 10
When i update to Windows 10 ... (no internet) setup is pretty much completed but the screen would turn black with move-able cursor right BEFORE you logon! .. so some of the steps you guys are mentioning are not applicable to me. Activation and setup are all going smoothly .. but it would NOT let me logon to desktop ... stuck at black screen
I would guess Win 8 comes with NVIDIA GeForce G210M (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM V1.2) which works with Win 8 .. and Win 10 come with another version/updated Nvidia drivers which was automatically installed during the setup process... i just CAN'T pass that black screen which prevent me to do those steps you are mentioning! -
How about i install Win 7 and go from there ...
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Im sure my problem was NVIDIA driver update... Its not easy to block NVIDIA update! ...
* I select "Never install driver software from windows update"
* I change the Window Update setting from Group Policy too
-- it slipped through! ..
Found another way to do it from ----- http://superuser.com/questions/901803/prevent-windows-10-from-installing-updating-a-specific-driver
You can block the installation of drivers for a particular hardware ID. It works the same way in Windows 10 as it did in Windows 8.1.
First, look up the device hardware ID:
- In Device Manager, right-click on the device in question, and select Properties.
- Go to the Details tab.
- Change Property to Hardware Ids.
- Copy-paste this into a text file.
- Download the replacement driver, but do not install it yet.
- Disconnect from the network so that Windows will not retrieve new drivers.
- Disable, then uninstall the driver that you want to replace.
- Install the replacement driver.
- Reboot and make sure it sticks.
- In the start menu, type gpedit.msc and press enter.
- Local Computer Policy -> Computer Configuration -> Administrative Templates -> System -> Device Installation -> Device Installation Restrictions
- Double-click on "Prevent installation of devices that match any of these device IDs."
- Set this to Enabled.
- Click Show, under Options, "Prevent installation of devices that match any of these Device IDs."
- Copy-paste the hardware ID from the text file into the Value box.
- Click OK until you get back to the Group Policy Editor.
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I will update it and check if the above steps block NVIDIA
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Its is working... NVIDIA driver update is giving Error 0x800F0248
Windows error:
0x800F0248: The installation of this device is forbidden by system policy.
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For Windows 10, Microsoft released a file that allows you to hide updates to a piece of hardware. Check this out: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930. This is the method I used, and so far (for about 20 days or so), windows has not automatically updated my Nvidia driver. It's just that I don't think even the old Win 7 64-bit Nvidia driver works exactly right with Win 10.
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I use that too... i dont have a problem with the old Win 7 driver so far.
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Good. Hopefully you've got it solved.
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Congrats alexxfender
I'm curious. So are your NVIDIA drivers working or not working? Are you using the old NVIDIA drivers or not at all? Also, you able to hook up your computer via HDMI or WIDI?
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Questions:
- Anyway to make the ASUS UL50VT faster by upgrading or overclocking? Found this link for overclocking, but its 5 years old and don't know how it will effect the Win10 OP, so I'm a little hesitant to try http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...l30vt-ul80vt-ul50vt-beyond-turbo-mode.472668/
- Do NVIDIA drivers have anything to do with HDMI connection?
- Anyway to mirror link?
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So how's it going so far? Any freezes or BSOD? My computer runs fine for a while (a day or so), then it might freeze up twice in an hour.
When it freezes, the caps lock and scroll lock lights still respond to the keyboard, but the mouse cursor doesn't respond. I'm not 100% sure it won't come out of the freeze if I leave it for hours; I haven't done that yet.
Did you update all the other drivers and ASUS software to either W10 or W8.1 versions if they exist?
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However, I am not any advanced user, perhaps just an intermediate. I would like to ask for help on how to safely install Windows 10 in my UL50VT.
From what I understood so far, is this what I should do?
1. In Windows 7, uninstall everything about NVIDIA (all drivers);
2. Proceed to install Windows 10 using Media Creation Tool;
3. Install the NVIDIA drivers for Windows 8.1;
4. Block all updates to avoid NVIDIA updating its drivers.
Is that correct?
If not, could someone post a tutorial here? That would help a lot other Asus users who are coming here in this forum to search for instructions on how to upgrade to Windows 10.
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all i want is nvidia new drivers for windows 7 i'm not interested in windos ten yet ill install windows ten in 6 months to a yr after all the bug are fix some what i never use intel video card all do is gaming on my laptop and it's getting hot it shuts off but i fix it made holes and put new fans all over but please if any one knows anything about new drivers for windows 7 please answer me thanks 1967kid
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Hello, i made the mistake and deleted the factory install f9 key part , i had the dvd back ups but can't find them like i really need help here please email me /1967kid@gmail,com\ please i realy need to fix my laptop thank you very much yes i got my key its the only thing i got .
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If you don't find your recovery disks, you can reinstall Windows 7 by using a stock Windows 7 image. Just make sure, that you get a version, that matches your key, probably Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit in your language. Maybe somebody you know has one, or you download it from a somewhat trustworthy site on the internet. Microsoft doesn't provide images of older Windows versions to retail customers for some reason. After the installation, you'll have to manually install some drivers from the Asus support page.
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Can someone test HDMI output while nvidia discrete graphics are enabled, please?
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What issue are you looking for?
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HI guys. Reply to my own post....
So i installed Windows 10 as an upgrade from my windows 7 installation. Went pretty well. To get the hybrid graphics working, I followed the instructions on pg 156 of this thread.
HDMI out works just as it did before.
The one issue that I am running into is switching back to the intel onboard gpu from the nvidia 210m. The old driver which included the nvida "save power" app isnt allowing me to switch back as there are windows 10 services that are open that need to be closed before its able to switch gpus.
The programs that are preventing the switch are:
shellexperiencehost.exe
searchui.exe
save power (which is messed up because it needs to close itself?)
Anyways. Thoughts anyone?Attached Files:
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Sorry, I never tested my HDMI port with Windows 10. I finally gave up and put 7 back on my machine because I couldn't figure out why my computer was freezing up.
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Hmm. 10 Seems to be working well for me so far. Too bad you were getting crashes.
I got the graphics switching working. With the help of @eaferrari24.
I did the upgrade to windows 10 from 7 and some of the atk Asus drivers left over were causing problems for me. I deleted the old, loaded the new ones from his post and I can now use the hardware toggle (button above the ESC key) to switch between the Intel and nvidia graphics.
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I did the upgrade from Windows 7 to 10 using the Media Creation Tool. I didn't unistall any drivers. @eaferrari24 's post is still a bit confusing to me.
1. When I open the Device Manager to find the graphic's card I see this:
That is the OS native driver for GPUs, isn't it? Should I uninstall this driver anyway and then "make sure to check the box that asks if you want to delete the driver files during the uninstall"?
2. When @eaferrari24 posted " Download from
VGA latest driver #186.88 for 64 bit which was supported NVIDIA Hybrid Power technology with Intel chipsets just unpack it, or you can use your install disc (DVD:\Software\Display\nVidia) do not install!".
Is this driver the one we download from Asus Support Website? Because there we can download the driver Version V8.15.11.8688 for Windows 7 64bit. Not 100% sure it is this driver. Could you confirm for me?
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Yes. Uninstall the driver and when asked. Delete it.
Then follow eaferarri instructions to find the correct device Id your two missing drivers and install drivers from the window 7 Asus driver folder that you've extracted somewhere.
I ran into a few situations where my screen went black. I used rdp to connect to the Asus to uninstall and reboot from another machine. Found that to be a used trick.
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Since you have the igp as an option you should be ok.
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Ok I got things sorted!
I used Safe Mode during all the process so I didn't go under black screen.
After I installed the old NVidia driver I restarted my computer and everything was fine, the graphics card was recognized and was working fine!
However, after I uninstalled the old versions of Power4Gear and ATK Package and then installed the new versions for Windows 8, the graphics card stopped working. It said "Windows can't load the APIs". I uninstalled the new versions, installed the old versions again, restarted, and everything was working well again. -
I upgraded to Win 10 from Win 7 and got the black boot screen (with movable cursor).
I tried many times without success to boot into Win10 Safe Mode using F8, F4, F6 and other methods. I was able to get the intermediate blue screen with the Troubleshoot option and then click restart - this is supposed to eventually get to Safe Mode. Rebooting 3 or more times did not start safe mode (as one poster said it would).
Since I was stuck, I reinstalled Win 7. In Device Manager uninstalled/deleted the display drivers and Windows replaced them with "Standard VGA Graphics Adapter". One of them is active (I assume for integrated graphics) and one is not active (I assume for the NV discrete card). I have a workable screen in Win 7 (at lower resolution). In Win 7 in \Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository, I see nv_lh.inf* and igdlh.inf* directories and haven't deleted them yet. I have Windows Updates turned off.
So I'm poised to try again with a Win 10 USB media. I can stay unconnected to the internet.
Can anyone help with next steps to install Win 10 and avoid the black screen or better to avoid needing to go to Safe Mode?
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Thank you to those who posted up instructions. I didn't even think about the lack of driver support when I upgraded from 7 to 10, only once the install had finished and restarted did I realise there was an issue. Windows had automatically downloaded and tried to install the nvidia driver, giving me the black screen on startup.
For those who are also getting stuck with the black screen, wiggly mouse cursor and having trouble getting into safe mode, you should be able to press F8 during boot to get to the recovery menu, and from there find the safe mode options. If it doesn't work immediately, then there might be an option in the BIOS that can be set to enable the F8 boot menu.
After uninstalling the graphics drivers in safe mode and disconnecting the laptop from the internet, I was able to install the hybrid graphics drivers, ATK and P4G.
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I followed all of these instructions and it worked great. The only problem is I can't dim my display when the G210m is running. If I switch over to the intel I can dim and brighten the display but apperently the g210m is only full brightness.
On another note anyone having problems with nvidia updating follow this
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=401588
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I decided to respond to the aggressive Windows 10 upgrade from my Asus UL80VT Win7 laptop. Many of the posts are very helpful. Here is what I did after extensive searches.
1. I turned OFF WiFi connection to the router while connecting my other PC to the router with Ethernet cable. This way I can research or download whatever needed to a USB flash stick for the UL80VT.
2. Made a Windows 10 DVD and started the upgrade process from the "Setup" with the DVD. (make sure to set up BIOS to boot DVD before HDD) The first time Win10 boot deletes the two original Win7 display drivers and installs 2 generic drivers. The two display driver "Events" tabs show the deletes and the new generic drivers, but nothing more... Good!
Tip 1: Can use this < http://www.asus.com/support/faq/1013018/> to get into Save mode. But it is not necessary as long as the WiFi access remains blocked. F8 does not work anymore.
Tip 2: The previous post on ...\DriveStore\FileRepository\igdh.inf_amd64, etc. are not true (not with Win7). The "Events" tabs will show the files eventually got installed (but does not reveal the deleted ones).
3. Download VGA_nVidia_WIN7_64_815118688.zip for the Win7 G210M drivers, and make sure to extract it into a folder (same name) onto the USB flash stick.
Tip 3: Please see < http://www.helpjet.net/Fs-52274475-83974762-78622908-devices.html>. There are 3 versions of Intel chipsets sharing the same driver. Make sure they match with one in your display adapter -- listed under "Hardware Ids" in the "Details" > Device description" pull-down list.
4. Select the second display adapter (with the matching nVidia ID: VEN_10DE&DEV_0A74), and go to Driver > Update driver ... and "browse" the USB flash folder of the unzipped driver. Install it. Both v 8.15.11.8688 of the Intel and GeForce 210M drivers are installed. You can see the "Events" adding 2 file names to the \DriveStore\FileRepository\. The correct drivers are installed. But there are new problems which I could not find answers at this point. -- How to block future driver updates?
Tip 4: I suggest to backup the Win7/8 system BEFORE upgrading and AFTER driver installation (2 separate backups). This is a good link for the purpose. < http://www.howtogeek.com/223139/how-to-create-an-image-of-your-pc-before-upgrading-to-windows-10/>
5. Microsoft's "Show or hide updates" troubleshooter package DOES NOT WORK in this scenario. See <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930> New nVidia driver update is blocked, therefore troubleshooter could not find any to "hide".
6. GPEDIT.msc is NOT in Windows 10 Home (only for Pro). It is needed for setting up "Device Installation Restrictions" to block future update. See < http://superuser.com/questions/1064229/missing-folders-in-gpedit-msc> And even it can be added to Windows 10 Home, this restriction in the administrative policy is NOT in the addition. Please < https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb530324.aspx> This is way over my head now.
I really see myself as one of the victims caught between the aggressive Microsoft Win 10 upgrade and the non-existent Asus technical support. Asus told me I could use recovery partition to "roll back", but what about the apps and data accumulated over the last few years? The only good thing is that I've activated my Win10 license, thus not under the pressure of the 7/28/2016 free upgrade deadline, and my Win7 is safe and sound on a very fast Samsung SSD. I just hope someone with common interest can figure out how to transfer the correct Administrator policy of GPEDIT.msc in the Win10 Pro to Win10 Home. My other PC is Win10Pro in which does contain the working "Device Installation Restrictions". I really have no reason to activate the Pro upgrade just for this stupid problem and don't really need other features in the Pro. Of course, if I can find an inexpensive legitimate upgrade license, I will. -
Here is the result and conclusion from further extensive testing. The Windows 10 Anniversary Update (Early August) will provide fixes in Windows Registry to block driver installation. And the current Windows update will not work in a catch-22 scenario in which the blocking is not in the current version (1511 or insider review versions), whereas the driver download/install will take place before updating the Anniversary Update. This suggests that users must download the new ISO image, and then conduct the update from DVD/USB media.
Please see details in the other link provided by the host administrator. < http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...nable-disable-windows-10-a-2.html#post748841> Be very careful in applying fixes to Registry! Unfortunately, GPEDIT.msc is NOT in Windows 10 Home, and the separately provided version does not provide the same capability as the build-in GPEDIT in the Win10 Pro edition. -
I was successful with eaferrari's, method, which as I recall worked for a little while. Then I started having problems with switching graphics, the switch was blocked by SearchUI.exe and ShellExperienceHost.exe all the time.
I tried to repeat the process. Had to use safe mode with wifi off so Windows didn't automatically install a graphics driver deleteing the old and rebooting. Anyway, the result was the same.
I have tried the following versions:
ATK Win 7 & 8 ver 100026
ATK Win 10 64-bit ver 100049
P4GH win 8 64 ver308
P4GH win 8 64 ver217
These are the newst versions and the versions referenced in the guide at Tom's hardware that was linked further back in the thread. The driver was always the 118688 version.
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I usually have searchUI or SEH blocking the switch but all I do is either logout for the switch to complete or open task manager and manually kill the processes. From what I recall, the processes reload on their own so there is no damaging effects to stability.
Im now running Win10Pro on the ASUS so I have much less issues with windows trying to mess with my graphics drivers.
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My wife's ASUS UL80V is in trouble. She chose to install Windows 10 and then forced to have the updates after the most recent update, can't get the machine to start.
When we push the power on, things look normal for a few seconds, even the little S/U tune then...black screen. We have a little "loading" icon until we push the power off... have tried several times and have allowed to it to try a lot of time intervals.
Have tried to get to safe mode via F8, F11, F12 & escape... no help
Have tried the windows 10 repair usb... nothing different with start up.
What do I try next?
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