G1S 8600M GT vs F3SV-B1 8600M GS Benchmark

Do we know when the new V1 be released? I am interested on that ONLY IF it supports Santa Rosa because I read that the quality of F3Sv isn't good enough...

Are there any comparisons with other laptops at this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=1960399 ?

 

Nice comparison, seems the GT version is the version gamers will go for then.

 

Amazing how well that 8600M GT does! 5,400 in 3dmark06! Crazy! Anyone have any source engine benchmarks? Like the CSS stress, with everything on max. AA, AF etc.

 

TsThanos, Different resellers are giving different dates, The UK pre production model had a 8600GT so hopefully so will the final model. The general consensus is it will be announced around mid june, and released at the end of June.

 

It would be great to compare the 3dMark06 scores of the 256mb GDDR2 and 512mb GDDR3 cards at higher resolutions, where the memory difference might make the cards closer performers.

GenTech - any chance you can run smoe 3dMarks at 1440x900, which is what we have data for the Zepto (I think around 3,000).

Petrov.

 

Thanx, but isn't exactly what I was expecting which is 1280x1024 (free version resolution). Also it's much easier to compare results with competitive systems.
Sorry, for misunderstanding (my fault) and thanx once again.

 

Sorry I didn't bring the G1S home today, I have G2S right now, if you want I can do it again on Monday when I got back to work. or, the identical specs from G2S:

http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resultanalyzer.jsp?projectType=14&XLID=0&UID=9508876

 

Does the G2S use GDDR2 or GDDR3 VRAM?

Petrov.

 

It uses GDDR3

 

I ponied up for the Advanced version of 3DM06 so I could run some non-standard resolutions for my new Asus G1S (256MB GDDR3 8600 GT). All ran in Vista Home Premium. All at standard clock, no overclocking at all.

At 1024x768 I got 4,733 points, consistent with Ken Lee's OP. (compared to Zepto 512MB GDDR2 = 3,833 points according to p15 of this thread)

At 1400x1050 I got 3,594 points, which is the closest I could get to the 1440x900 resolution run on the Zepto (compared to Zepto 512MB GDDR2 = 3,042 points according to p15 of this thread).

EDIT: Further to Fabarati's post that 1280x1024 is closer to 1440x900, my G1S scored 3,807 at 1280x1024 (compared to Zepto 512MB GDDR2 = 3,042 at 1440x900)

So, about 900 pts difference at 1024x768, and about 800 pts difference at 1280x1024/1440x900 (i.e. about 20-25% difference).

Hope this is interesting. Would love someone to run the Zepto at 1680x1050.

Petrov.

 

wow if the G1S can get 4,733 points at standard with no overclocking I bet the C90 can get real close to 5,000

 

That's at 1024x768 - not at default resolution. I just wanted to compared benches at higher resolutions, hence my post just now.

Petrov.

 

Actually, the closest to 1440x900 is 1280x1024 (difference of 174000 pixels vs 14720 pixels)

 

Thanks fabarati - I've updated my post on the previous page to show my score at 1280x1024 as well.

Petrov.

 

Those are fine. Thanx a lot

 

Ken, if possible, can you take a picture of the G1s GPU Itself? If you can remove it, even better.

 

Thats a good point, Is it MXM?

 

Nope it's not, but i want to see if it's the same formfactor as the A8Js (looks like a reverse MXM card, i.e., the GPU is on the other side of the card)

 

on those pictures of the 3dmarks score it says the mem is 1000 for the 8600M GS benchmark compared to 2000 for GT. could that be the reason why the 8600m is performing so poorly?

 

Yes, I also would be very interested in seeing pics of the GPU itself. It would be very cool if the card could work in the A8Js/G1p.

 

It's not about if the card is removable or not or will it fit other cards.

It's all about the VGA BIOS inside the MB BIOS:

This is Z96Js VGA BIOS and it's embed in the MB BIOS:



And this is the G1S BIOS, see the VGA BIOS in the MB BIOS?




Let's just say they both have the same video card slot and both card looks identical (they are not) , so you bought a 8600M GT card from G1S model and want to install it in Z96JS to replace the X1600, guess what when you turn on your laptop, no display.

Why? because the VGA BIOS of X1600 card in the Z96JS BIOS will look for X1600 card when you turn on the computer, and if it can't find X1600, the computer will not boot, you will only get a black screen.

So if the notebook is not advertised it has MXM video card then it will not be upgradable.

 

I know. I still would like to see it. If possible.

 

There are ways of working around that. http://laptoplogic.com/resources/detail.php?id=31&page=5

 

Thanks for the info.

The thing is, the laptop won't even get to that screen for drivers or get to boot to VGA mode, it'll just completely blank before you can do anything, no display at all.

It's just like pull out your video card on your desktop motherboard and turn on power up your computer.

If you notice on your desktop when you first power on your computer, what you see first is the VGA BIOS telling you about the GPU and the 2nd screen will be the BIOS since on the desktop, the VGA BIOS and MB BIOS are separated. It's just not the case on non-MXM GPU laptop.

 

Another thing I want people to understand about Video BIOS embed in the MB BIOS of non-MXM Video card, see this thread:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=95731&highlight=graininess

Each BIOS fixed graininess issue for specific models, the closest 2 models will be F3JA X1600 and F3JP X1700.

Both model has similar specs expect the Video Card, the graininess fixed BIOS on F3JA seek X1600 vid card as soon as you power up the computer and F3JP looking for X1700 vid card, if you have wrong BIOS updated, the computer will not boot at all, the result, blank screen.

Asus made removable vid card on non-MXM video card for one purpose, RMA. if the video card is defective they can just simply swap out the same card without replace the whole motherboard.

 

Well they also did it to offer different gpus in the same chassis
The way the dell users do it is they use the bios from the model with the different gpu.

But this definitely gives me a project to do, to look for that video bios tag in my a8js bios screen.

Id definitely like to see a picture of the gpu on the g1s I think an owner will show us eventually.

 

sorry if this has already been posted, but I was wondering if Ken can talk a little about the F3SV screen. I have heard that it is slightly better than the G1S, although I could be wrong. I don't have enough money for the G1S, but the F3 seems like a good candidate if the screen doesn't suck. I'm looking to buy the one with SXGA+ resolution, but I'm worried about clarity and brightness.

 

Hi guy, so is better 8600M GT whit 256Mb DDR3 or 512Mb but DDR2?
There is a laptop whit 8600M GT 512Mb DDR3?

 

256mb DDR3 is better. And yes, The Compal IFL90.

 

Thanks, but it's a good notebook?
It is better than asus quality?

 

Are you sure that the Compal IFL90 uses GDDR3? where did you get that info? Last I saw at the compal forum it was undecided. Zepto said their IFL90 uses a 8600M GT 512MB GDDR2.

 

no real world performance yet.

 

Quick question. For the G1s, the first page shows that with no overclock the 3dmark score was 4700 at 1024x768. The review on this website shows a stock score of 3800 at 1024x768. Why such a large disconnect?

 

Very weird - the review even says its 1024x768 - maybe its a typo and 3dM06 was run at the default 1280x1024...

My G1S gets around 4,700 with no overclock at 1024x768, consistent with the OP.

Petrov.

 

So the free version of futuremark is automatically set at 1280x1024, right? I ran it and got 3700 but forget what the resolution was set at.

 

that sounds like the correct score for 1280x1024

I think ken from gentech has the G2S benched at all the different resolutions, dig into that thread and see what the 12x10 scores were and if they match that figure.

 

I'm getting the f3sv-b1 myself. What type of ram did you use to upgrade to 2 gigs? Did you use pc5300 or pc5400? or does it not matter? Say for instance if the f3sv-b1 comes with pc5400 but I added 1 gig of pc5300 will that still enable dual channel?

 

the c90 has a 8600gt with 512mb gddr3

chris

 

Asus G2s @ 1280x1024 3632

Check out the other specs

 

PC5300 and PC5400 are the same.
Yes, it'll still run at dual-channel even you have 2 different size RAM.

 

Source on GDDR3?

Petrov.

 

Sorry, one thing I noticed earlier in this thread is that Santa Rosa doesn't support 800MHz RAM - is this really the case as it seems absurd to have the FSB at 800MHz if the RAM can't match it??!

 

The FSB 800 bandwidth is smaller then the DDR2 667 bandwidth. So no it doesnt limit it or if it does only very little. Just like DDR2 533 had hardly any effect on the Core 2 Duo with a FSB of 667.

It has todo that the Ram is douple the so 667mhz is 2x333mhz. But the FSB is quad pumped so a FSB of 800 is 4x200mhz. I cant really explain it too.

 

this thread was supposed to be a benchmark thread....its far far way from that now lol

 

I see what you mean. Thanks for the explanation (sorry for the thread hijack, but it seemed to already have meandered a few times )

 

Here and here
for anyone still curious, note that it requires some previous knowledge about AC circuits. Now.... how about some real world gaming benchmarks

 

I know I am late to the party but I just got my F3sv-a1 (with an extra dimm of ram) and thought I would chim in. The fit and finish is nowhere near as good as the G1 however the F3 doesnt have the flex keyboard that plagued my G1 (reason for returning it). As far as performance goes for actual game play they are dead even. The F3 plays great and at a substancial price cut.

 

Hey scoob, any chances of some actual game benches? And perhaps the lost planet dx10 demo?

 

Could someone give me a sense of how playable the GS is compared to the GT? Benchmarks are great, but will I really notice a difference in the gaming experience?

thanks,

- Frank

 

yes, you will.